Outlook Message (.Msg) Mime Type

Hi ,
I have a couple of users who upload Outlook message (.msg) file to the web
server and when they try to view the files I get a 404 error. I have
subsequetly added the mimetype, .msg = application/msoutlook and then
restarted the web server, but still the when the file is opened from the
client it does not open correctly. I've also tried
application/vnd.ms-outlook, but this too does not seem to work. Could
someone tell me as to what the mime-type should be,

Windows 2003 / IIS 6.0

Regards,

Trevor

Re: Outlook Message (.Msg) Mime Type

It should be - application/vnd.ms-outlook
what do you mean 'does not open correctly' ? it prompt for download ? or ?

--
Regards,
Bernard Cheah
http://www.iis.net/
http://www.iis-resources.com/
http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/


"Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
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> Hi ,
> I have a couple of users who upload Outlook message (.msg) file to the web
> server and when they try to view the files I get a 404 error. I have
> subsequetly added the mimetype, .msg = application/msoutlook and then
> restarted the web server, but still the when the file is opened from the
> client it does not open correctly. I've also tried
> application/vnd.ms-outlook, but this too does not seem to work. Could
> someone tell me as to what the mime-type should be,
>
> Windows 2003 / IIS 6.0
>
> Regards,
>
> Trevor
>

Re: Outlook Message (.Msg) Mime Type

Hi Bernard,
I tried the operation after adding application/vnd.ms-outlook as mime-type.
Here is what I am trying to do.
1. Add the mime-type to IIS6.
2. Restart the web server
3. Browse to the folder and then try to click on a fie with the .msg
extension
4. I get a dialog asking me to either open or save it. I click on the Open
button, I get an error emessage as below.
Can't open file ..... The file may not exist, you may not have permission to
open it, or it may be open in another program. Right-click the folder that
contains the file, and then click properties to check your permissions for
the folder.

We'll the same link works from an IIS 5 website. So I guess this should be
something to do with the way the mime-type setup.

Thanks.

Trevor Benedict R


"Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
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> It should be - application/vnd.ms-outlook
> what do you mean 'does not open correctly' ? it prompt for download ? or ?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Bernard Cheah
> http://www.iis.net/
> http://www.iis-resources.com/
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>
>
> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
> news:exZx1j4pGHA.4116@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Hi ,
>> I have a couple of users who upload Outlook message (.msg) file to the
>> web server and when they try to view the files I get a 404 error. I have
>> subsequetly added the mimetype, .msg = application/msoutlook and then
>> restarted the web server, but still the when the file is opened from the
>> client it does not open correctly. I've also tried
>> application/vnd.ms-outlook, but this too does not seem to work. Could
>> someone tell me as to what the mime-type should be,
>>
>> Windows 2003 / IIS 6.0
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Trevor
>>
>
>

Re: Outlook Message (.Msg) Mime Type

Try save it first and open later, same?
what's the status code in the IIS log file? 200?

browsing from another machine or from the server itself?

--
Regards,
Bernard Cheah
http://www.iis.net/
http://www.iis-resources.com/
http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/


"Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
news:OfN8eyVqGHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Hi Bernard,
> I tried the operation after adding application/vnd.ms-outlook as
> mime-type. Here is what I am trying to do.
> 1. Add the mime-type to IIS6.
> 2. Restart the web server
> 3. Browse to the folder and then try to click on a fie with the .msg
> extension
> 4. I get a dialog asking me to either open or save it. I click on the Open
> button, I get an error emessage as below.
> Can't open file ..... The file may not exist, you may not have permission
> to open it, or it may be open in another program. Right-click the folder
> that contains the file, and then click properties to check your
> permissions for the folder.
>
> We'll the same link works from an IIS 5 website. So I guess this should be
> something to do with the way the mime-type setup.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Trevor Benedict R
>
>
> "Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
> news:e6UW$69pGHA.4760@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> It should be - application/vnd.ms-outlook
>> what do you mean 'does not open correctly' ? it prompt for download ? or
>> ?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Bernard Cheah
>> http://www.iis.net/
>> http://www.iis-resources.com/
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>>
>>
>> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
>> news:exZx1j4pGHA.4116@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi ,
>>> I have a couple of users who upload Outlook message (.msg) file to the
>>> web server and when they try to view the files I get a 404 error. I have
>>> subsequetly added the mimetype, .msg = application/msoutlook and then
>>> restarted the web server, but still the when the file is opened from the
>>> client it does not open correctly. I've also tried
>>> application/vnd.ms-outlook, but this too does not seem to work. Could
>>> someone tell me as to what the mime-type should be,
>>>
>>> Windows 2003 / IIS 6.0
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Trevor
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Outlook Message (.Msg) Mime Type

When I save the File and try Open it, it works.
The Status code is 200.

I do not have Outlook installed on the server and I am trying to download
and view this file from another machine (Windows XP + Office 2003).

Regards,

Trevor Benedict

"Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
news:%23MgQEzXqGHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Try save it first and open later, same?
> what's the status code in the IIS log file? 200?
>
> browsing from another machine or from the server itself?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Bernard Cheah
> http://www.iis.net/
> http://www.iis-resources.com/
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>
>
> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
> news:OfN8eyVqGHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Bernard,
>> I tried the operation after adding application/vnd.ms-outlook as
>> mime-type. Here is what I am trying to do.
>> 1. Add the mime-type to IIS6.
>> 2. Restart the web server
>> 3. Browse to the folder and then try to click on a fie with the .msg
>> extension
>> 4. I get a dialog asking me to either open or save it. I click on the
>> Open button, I get an error emessage as below.
>> Can't open file ..... The file may not exist, you may not have permission
>> to open it, or it may be open in another program. Right-click the folder
>> that contains the file, and then click properties to check your
>> permissions for the folder.
>>
>> We'll the same link works from an IIS 5 website. So I guess this should
>> be something to do with the way the mime-type setup.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Trevor Benedict R
>>
>>
>> "Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
>> news:e6UW$69pGHA.4760@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> It should be - application/vnd.ms-outlook
>>> what do you mean 'does not open correctly' ? it prompt for download ? or
>>> ?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Bernard Cheah
>>> http://www.iis.net/
>>> http://www.iis-resources.com/
>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>>>
>>>
>>> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
>>> news:exZx1j4pGHA.4116@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi ,
>>>> I have a couple of users who upload Outlook message (.msg) file to the
>>>> web server and when they try to view the files I get a 404 error. I
>>>> have subsequetly added the mimetype, .msg = application/msoutlook and
>>>> then restarted the web server, but still the when the file is opened
>>>> from the client it does not open correctly. I've also tried
>>>> application/vnd.ms-outlook, but this too does not seem to work. Could
>>>> someone tell me as to what the mime-type should be,
>>>>
>>>> Windows 2003 / IIS 6.0
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Trevor
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Outlook Message (.Msg) Mime Type

If status code is 200, then IIS has fulfilled its responsibility.
Looks like client side issue to me. if you get wfetch to request the .msgs
file, is the mime type correctly define?
have you try on other browser ?

--
Regards,
Bernard Cheah
http://www.iis.net/
http://www.iis-resources.com/
http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/


"Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
news:e7xFtybqGHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> When I save the File and try Open it, it works.
> The Status code is 200.
>
> I do not have Outlook installed on the server and I am trying to download
> and view this file from another machine (Windows XP + Office 2003).
>
> Regards,
>
> Trevor Benedict
>
> "Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
> news:%23MgQEzXqGHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Try save it first and open later, same?
>> what's the status code in the IIS log file? 200?
>>
>> browsing from another machine or from the server itself?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Bernard Cheah
>> http://www.iis.net/
>> http://www.iis-resources.com/
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>>
>>
>> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
>> news:OfN8eyVqGHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi Bernard,
>>> I tried the operation after adding application/vnd.ms-outlook as
>>> mime-type. Here is what I am trying to do.
>>> 1. Add the mime-type to IIS6.
>>> 2. Restart the web server
>>> 3. Browse to the folder and then try to click on a fie with the .msg
>>> extension
>>> 4. I get a dialog asking me to either open or save it. I click on the
>>> Open button, I get an error emessage as below.
>>> Can't open file ..... The file may not exist, you may not have
>>> permission to open it, or it may be open in another program. Right-click
>>> the folder that contains the file, and then click properties to check
>>> your permissions for the folder.
>>>
>>> We'll the same link works from an IIS 5 website. So I guess this should
>>> be something to do with the way the mime-type setup.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Trevor Benedict R
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
>>> news:e6UW$69pGHA.4760@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> It should be - application/vnd.ms-outlook
>>>> what do you mean 'does not open correctly' ? it prompt for download ?
>>>> or ?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Bernard Cheah
>>>> http://www.iis.net/
>>>> http://www.iis-resources.com/
>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
>>>> news:exZx1j4pGHA.4116@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>> I have a couple of users who upload Outlook message (.msg) file to the
>>>>> web server and when they try to view the files I get a 404 error. I
>>>>> have subsequetly added the mimetype, .msg = application/msoutlook and
>>>>> then restarted the web server, but still the when the file is opened
>>>>> from the client it does not open correctly. I've also tried
>>>>> application/vnd.ms-outlook, but this too does not seem to work. Could
>>>>> someone tell me as to what the mime-type should be,
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows 2003 / IIS 6.0
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Trevor
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Outlook Message (.Msg) Mime Type

Hi Bernard,
Thanks for that Tip. I used WFetch and there were 2 differences in the
Response Header. One was the Ratings and other was Content Expiry tag, I
removed the ratings and still the same. I then removed the Content Expiry
options and the file downloaded & opened without any problems. I then went
ahead and added the Content Expiry options and the problem reappeared. I
then removed it and it started working again. Something wrong with the way
this tag is being intepreted.

Thanks & Regards,

Trevor Benedict R

"Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
news:%23zp$mhhqGHA.1852@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> If status code is 200, then IIS has fulfilled its responsibility.
> Looks like client side issue to me. if you get wfetch to request the
> .msgs file, is the mime type correctly define?
> have you try on other browser ?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Bernard Cheah
> http://www.iis.net/
> http://www.iis-resources.com/
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>
>
> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
> news:e7xFtybqGHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> When I save the File and try Open it, it works.
>> The Status code is 200.
>>
>> I do not have Outlook installed on the server and I am trying to download
>> and view this file from another machine (Windows XP + Office 2003).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Trevor Benedict
>>
>> "Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
>> news:%23MgQEzXqGHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Try save it first and open later, same?
>>> what's the status code in the IIS log file? 200?
>>>
>>> browsing from another machine or from the server itself?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Bernard Cheah
>>> http://www.iis.net/
>>> http://www.iis-resources.com/
>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>>>
>>>
>>> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
>>> news:OfN8eyVqGHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi Bernard,
>>>> I tried the operation after adding application/vnd.ms-outlook as
>>>> mime-type. Here is what I am trying to do.
>>>> 1. Add the mime-type to IIS6.
>>>> 2. Restart the web server
>>>> 3. Browse to the folder and then try to click on a fie with the .msg
>>>> extension
>>>> 4. I get a dialog asking me to either open or save it. I click on the
>>>> Open button, I get an error emessage as below.
>>>> Can't open file ..... The file may not exist, you may not have
>>>> permission to open it, or it may be open in another program.
>>>> Right-click the folder that contains the file, and then click
>>>> properties to check your permissions for the folder.
>>>>
>>>> We'll the same link works from an IIS 5 website. So I guess this should
>>>> be something to do with the way the mime-type setup.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Trevor Benedict R
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
>>>> news:e6UW$69pGHA.4760@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> It should be - application/vnd.ms-outlook
>>>>> what do you mean 'does not open correctly' ? it prompt for download ?
>>>>> or ?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Bernard Cheah
>>>>> http://www.iis.net/
>>>>> http://www.iis-resources.com/
>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
>>>>> news:exZx1j4pGHA.4116@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>> I have a couple of users who upload Outlook message (.msg) file to
>>>>>> the web server and when they try to view the files I get a 404 error.
>>>>>> I have subsequetly added the mimetype, .msg = application/msoutlook
>>>>>> and then restarted the web server, but still the when the file is
>>>>>> opened from the client it does not open correctly. I've also tried
>>>>>> application/vnd.ms-outlook, but this too does not seem to work. Could
>>>>>> someone tell me as to what the mime-type should be,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows 2003 / IIS 6.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trevor
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Outlook Message (.Msg) Mime Type

I meant it DOES NOT allow the downloaded file to be opened with the
Cache-Control: no-cache tag.

Regards,

Trevor Benedict R

"Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
news:%23zp$mhhqGHA.1852@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> If status code is 200, then IIS has fulfilled its responsibility.
> Looks like client side issue to me. if you get wfetch to request the
> .msgs file, is the mime type correctly define?
> have you try on other browser ?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Bernard Cheah
> http://www.iis.net/
> http://www.iis-resources.com/
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>
>
> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
> news:e7xFtybqGHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> When I save the File and try Open it, it works.
>> The Status code is 200.
>>
>> I do not have Outlook installed on the server and I am trying to download
>> and view this file from another machine (Windows XP + Office 2003).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Trevor Benedict
>>
>> "Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
>> news:%23MgQEzXqGHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Try save it first and open later, same?
>>> what's the status code in the IIS log file? 200?
>>>
>>> browsing from another machine or from the server itself?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Bernard Cheah
>>> http://www.iis.net/
>>> http://www.iis-resources.com/
>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>>>
>>>
>>> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
>>> news:OfN8eyVqGHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi Bernard,
>>>> I tried the operation after adding application/vnd.ms-outlook as
>>>> mime-type. Here is what I am trying to do.
>>>> 1. Add the mime-type to IIS6.
>>>> 2. Restart the web server
>>>> 3. Browse to the folder and then try to click on a fie with the .msg
>>>> extension
>>>> 4. I get a dialog asking me to either open or save it. I click on the
>>>> Open button, I get an error emessage as below.
>>>> Can't open file ..... The file may not exist, you may not have
>>>> permission to open it, or it may be open in another program.
>>>> Right-click the folder that contains the file, and then click
>>>> properties to check your permissions for the folder.
>>>>
>>>> We'll the same link works from an IIS 5 website. So I guess this should
>>>> be something to do with the way the mime-type setup.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Trevor Benedict R
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
>>>> news:e6UW$69pGHA.4760@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> It should be - application/vnd.ms-outlook
>>>>> what do you mean 'does not open correctly' ? it prompt for download ?
>>>>> or ?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Bernard Cheah
>>>>> http://www.iis.net/
>>>>> http://www.iis-resources.com/
>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
>>>>> news:exZx1j4pGHA.4116@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>> I have a couple of users who upload Outlook message (.msg) file to
>>>>>> the web server and when they try to view the files I get a 404 error.
>>>>>> I have subsequetly added the mimetype, .msg = application/msoutlook
>>>>>> and then restarted the web server, but still the when the file is
>>>>>> opened from the client it does not open correctly. I've also tried
>>>>>> application/vnd.ms-outlook, but this too does not seem to work. Could
>>>>>> someone tell me as to what the mime-type should be,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows 2003 / IIS 6.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trevor
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Outlook Message (.Msg) Mime Type

Sorry, been traveling. when you directly request the .msg file. what's the
complete response header ?

--
Regards,
Bernard Cheah
http://www.iis.net/
http://www.iis-resources.com/
http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/


"Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
news:OIh9MYpqGHA.928@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I meant it DOES NOT allow the downloaded file to be opened with the
>Cache-Control: no-cache tag.
>
> Regards,
>
> Trevor Benedict R
>
> "Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
> news:%23zp$mhhqGHA.1852@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> If status code is 200, then IIS has fulfilled its responsibility.
>> Looks like client side issue to me. if you get wfetch to request the
>> .msgs file, is the mime type correctly define?
>> have you try on other browser ?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Bernard Cheah
>> http://www.iis.net/
>> http://www.iis-resources.com/
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>>
>>
>> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
>> news:e7xFtybqGHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> When I save the File and try Open it, it works.
>>> The Status code is 200.
>>>
>>> I do not have Outlook installed on the server and I am trying to
>>> download and view this file from another machine (Windows XP + Office
>>> 2003).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Trevor Benedict
>>>
>>> "Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
>>> news:%23MgQEzXqGHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Try save it first and open later, same?
>>>> what's the status code in the IIS log file? 200?
>>>>
>>>> browsing from another machine or from the server itself?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Bernard Cheah
>>>> http://www.iis.net/
>>>> http://www.iis-resources.com/
>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
>>>> news:OfN8eyVqGHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Hi Bernard,
>>>>> I tried the operation after adding application/vnd.ms-outlook as
>>>>> mime-type. Here is what I am trying to do.
>>>>> 1. Add the mime-type to IIS6.
>>>>> 2. Restart the web server
>>>>> 3. Browse to the folder and then try to click on a fie with the .msg
>>>>> extension
>>>>> 4. I get a dialog asking me to either open or save it. I click on the
>>>>> Open button, I get an error emessage as below.
>>>>> Can't open file ..... The file may not exist, you may not have
>>>>> permission to open it, or it may be open in another program.
>>>>> Right-click the folder that contains the file, and then click
>>>>> properties to check your permissions for the folder.
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll the same link works from an IIS 5 website. So I guess this
>>>>> should be something to do with the way the mime-type setup.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trevor Benedict R
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bernard Cheah [MVP]" wrote in message
>>>>> news:e6UW$69pGHA.4760@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> It should be - application/vnd.ms-outlook
>>>>>> what do you mean 'does not open correctly' ? it prompt for download ?
>>>>>> or ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Bernard Cheah
>>>>>> http://www.iis.net/
>>>>>> http://www.iis-resources.com/
>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bernard/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Trevor Benedict R" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:exZx1j4pGHA.4116@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>>> I have a couple of users who upload Outlook message (.msg) file to
>>>>>>> the web server and when they try to view the files I get a 404
>>>>>>> error. I have subsequetly added the mimetype, .msg =
>>>>>>> application/msoutlook and then restarted the web server, but still
>>>>>>> the when the file is opened from the client it does not open
>>>>>>> correctly. I've also tried application/vnd.ms-outlook, but this too
>>>>>>> does not seem to work. Could someone tell me as to what the
>>>>>>> mime-type should be,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Windows 2003 / IIS 6.0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trevor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>