Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

am 06.12.2007 11:24:02 von Pritam Barhate

Hi,

This question has been vexing me from quite some time now. When one
links to the resources outside his/her website should the
target="_blank" attribute be used for the tag?

Normally I use target="_blank" for anything that is outside my
website. But this question bothers me even more when I am creating a
list of resources. Since, while viewing these lists user will be more
interested in the resources than my website.

Recently I came across the following opinion a lot times:

If the user wants to come back to your site he has the back button and
also he can use the "Open in new window" option if he wants the linked
resource to open in new window.

Please share your thoughts about this point.

Thank You.

Re: Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

am 06.12.2007 11:55:11 von rf

"Pritam Barhate" wrote in message
news:38087ce9-e8c4-4ab4-8862-735f8601544b@s12g2000prg.google groups.com...
> Hi,
>
> This question has been vexing me from quite some time now. When one
> links to the resources outside his/her website should the
> target="_blank" attribute be used for the
tag?

No.

--
Richard.

Re: Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

am 06.12.2007 12:45:46 von Harlan Messinger

Pritam Barhate wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This question has been vexing me from quite some time now. When one
> links to the resources outside his/her website should the
> target="_blank" attribute be used for the
tag?
>
> Normally I use target="_blank" for anything that is outside my
> website. But this question bothers me even more when I am creating a
> list of resources. Since, while viewing these lists user will be more
> interested in the resources than my website.
>
> Recently I came across the following opinion a lot times:
>
> If the user wants to come back to your site he has the back button and
> also he can use the "Open in new window" option if he wants the linked
> resource to open in new window.

Exactly. And this is much more suitable than leaving a user who's being
browsing from site to site to site to finished up his session only to
discover that he now has a dozen windows to close because each site's
designer thought he needed to see the next site in a new window.

Re: Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

am 06.12.2007 22:01:24 von jkorpela

Scripsit Pritam Barhate:

> Normally I use target="_blank" for anything that is outside my
> website.

You haven't been reading this group (or FAQs or good tutorials) much.

Generally, for a common question, you get much better answers by
checking past discussions than by spawning new threads. For an
explanation, see my Treatise on Human Misunderstanding (in preparation).

--
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

Re: Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

am 06.12.2007 22:09:12 von dorayme

In article <5rq5nfF15vrs9U1@mid.individual.net>,
Harlan Messinger wrote:

> Pritam Barhate wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > This question has been vexing me from quite some time now. When one
> > links to the resources outside his/her website should the
> > target="_blank" attribute be used for the
tag?
> >
> > Normally I use target="_blank" for anything that is outside my
> > website. But this question bothers me even more when I am creating a
> > list of resources. Since, while viewing these lists user will be more
> > interested in the resources than my website.
> >
> > Recently I came across the following opinion a lot times:
> >
> > If the user wants to come back to your site he has the back button and
> > also he can use the "Open in new window" option if he wants the linked
> > resource to open in new window.
>
> Exactly. And this is much more suitable than leaving a user who's being
> browsing from site to site to site to finished up his session only to
> discover that he now has a dozen windows to close because each site's
> designer thought he needed to see the next site in a new window.

Take me for example. I get pissed off. If I want to keep track of
things and have your site up easy to get to and others to compare
material etc I just Command key click and a link opens in a new
tab (Windows users would have their own ways). Do it often.

If you do not leave it to the user you are deliberately making it
more difficult to be rid of your site, a user who wants to leave
your site and go a link must do two things instead of one. He
must click and then find yours and click the close.

--
dorayme

Re: Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

am 07.12.2007 06:03:19 von Bone Ur

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:01:24 GMT
Jukka K. Korpela scribed:

> Scripsit Pritam Barhate:
>
>> Normally I use target="_blank" for anything that is outside my
>> website.
>
> You haven't been reading this group (or FAQs or good tutorials) much.
>
> Generally, for a common question, you get much better answers by
> checking past discussions than by spawning new threads. For an
> explanation, see my Treatise on Human Misunderstanding (in preparation).

Bravo, Mr. K. I, myself, am currently engrossed in a work tentatively
entitled "On the Benefits of the Free Woman to Modern Society" which I hope
to publish sometime before irrationality overtakes me completely. I offer
my sincerest hopes to you in your endeavor with the same earnestness and
regard for your own project's ultimate viability in the face of such
awesome international cynicism.

--
Bone Ur
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.

Re: Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

am 07.12.2007 10:46:26 von mrcakey

dorayme wrote:
> In article <5rq5nfF15vrs9U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Harlan Messinger wrote:
>
>> Pritam Barhate wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This question has been vexing me from quite some time now. When one
>>> links to the resources outside his/her website should the
>>> target="_blank" attribute be used for the
tag?
>>>
>>> Normally I use target="_blank" for anything that is outside my
>>> website. But this question bothers me even more when I am creating a
>>> list of resources. Since, while viewing these lists user will be more
>>> interested in the resources than my website.
>>>
>>> Recently I came across the following opinion a lot times:
>>>
>>> If the user wants to come back to your site he has the back button and
>>> also he can use the "Open in new window" option if he wants the linked
>>> resource to open in new window.
>> Exactly. And this is much more suitable than leaving a user who's being
>> browsing from site to site to site to finished up his session only to
>> discover that he now has a dozen windows to close because each site's
>> designer thought he needed to see the next site in a new window.
>
> Take me for example. I get pissed off. If I want to keep track of
> things and have your site up easy to get to and others to compare
> material etc I just Command key click and a link opens in a new
> tab (Windows users would have their own ways). Do it often.
>
> If you do not leave it to the user you are deliberately making it
> more difficult to be rid of your site, a user who wants to leave
> your site and go a link must do two things instead of one. He
> must click and then find yours and click the close.
>

This has done the rounds quite a lot and the very clear consensus is
that using target="_blank" is a BAD THING. One thing that anyone who's
browsed the web for any length of time will be familiar with is leaving
a site, getting engrossed in the new one and losing interest in the
first. Particularly for casual browsing.

I think, if you HAVE to link to an outside site and you still want your
users to come back then this is one time using frames is acceptable:
link to a page within your own site that contains a narrow "navigation"
frame to take you back to the calling page, and a main frame filled by
the external site.

+mrcakey

Re: Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

am 07.12.2007 12:08:38 von TravisNewbury

On Dec 6, 5:24 am, Pritam Barhate wrote:
> Normally I use target="_blank"...

You know, I agree with everyone here that told you don't do it. And
myself, I do not like it when a site uses it.

But would I ever leave a site because they use it to open new
windows? Probably not.

So my advice would be to not do it, just like everyone else said. But
in the grand scheme of things I doubt any interested visitor would
leave because you opened another window.

Re: Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

am 07.12.2007 21:48:17 von dorayme

In article ,
+mrcakey wrote:

> the very clear consensus is that using target="_blank" is a BAD THING

> I think, if you HAVE to link to an outside site and you still want your
> users to come back then this is one time using frames is acceptable

(1) The very clear consensus is that using target="_blank" is a
BAD THING

(2) If you HAVE to link to an outside site and you still want
your users to come back then this is one time using frames is
acceptable

(3) Most sites DO link to outside

(4) Most site authors WANT users to come back

(5) Most sites should use frames (from 2, 3 and 4)

(6) If you use frames and want to link to outside, you use
target="_blank"

(7) Using target="_blank" is a GOOD THING

ergo

(8) The consensus that using target="_blank" is a BAD THING is
false

--
dorayme

Re: Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

am 07.12.2007 22:33:36 von Els

dorayme wrote:

> In article ,
> +mrcakey wrote:
>
>> the very clear consensus is that using target="_blank" is a BAD THING
>
>> I think, if you HAVE to link to an outside site and you still want your
>> users to come back then this is one time using frames is acceptable
>
> (1) The very clear consensus is that using target="_blank" is a
> BAD THING
>
> (2) If you HAVE to link to an outside site and you still want
> your users to come back then this is one time using frames is
> acceptable
>
> (3) Most sites DO link to outside
>
> (4) Most site authors WANT users to come back
>
> (5) Most sites should use frames (from 2, 3 and 4)
>
> (6) If you use frames and want to link to outside, you use
> target="_blank"
>
> (7) Using target="_blank" is a GOOD THING
>
> ergo
>
> (8) The consensus that using target="_blank" is a BAD THING is
> false

Nah, point 2 is false, rendering the conclusion at point 5
non-existent, making point 3, 4 and 6 irrelevant, point 7 meaningless,
and thus leaving us with the original at point 1: opening outbound
links in a new window is a BAD THING :-)

--
Els http://locusmeus.com/

Re: Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

am 07.12.2007 22:51:46 von a.nony.mous

dorayme wrote:

> (2) If you HAVE to link to an outside site and you still want
> your users to come back then this is one time using frames is
> acceptable

...until you get to a site like mine, which will break out of the frame,
leaving the visitor with nothing to go back to...

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Re: Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

am 07.12.2007 23:44:17 von dorayme

In article ,
Els wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
>
> > In article ,
> > +mrcakey wrote:
> >
> >> the very clear consensus is that using target="_blank" is a BAD THING
> >
> >> I think, if you HAVE to link to an outside site and you still want your
> >> users to come back then this is one time using frames is acceptable
> >
> > (1) The very clear consensus is that using target="_blank" is a
> > BAD THING
> >
> > (2) If you HAVE to link to an outside site and you still want
> > your users to come back then this is one time using frames is
> > acceptable
> >
> > (3) Most sites DO link to outside
> >
> > (4) Most site authors WANT users to come back
> >
> > (5) Most sites should use frames (from 2, 3 and 4)
> >
> > (6) If you use frames and want to link to outside, you use
> > target="_blank"
> >
> > (7) Using target="_blank" is a GOOD THING
> >
> > ergo
> >
> > (8) The consensus that using target="_blank" is a BAD THING is
> > false
>
> Nah, point 2 is false, rendering the conclusion at point 5
> non-existent, making point 3, 4 and 6 irrelevant, point 7 meaningless,
> and thus leaving us with the original at point 1: opening outbound
> links in a new window is a BAD THING :-)

I guess, then, you don't appreciate my reductio ad absurdum. If
you don't, there are not many others that will, given you are one
of the sharpest. Perhaps this will help to give you a better
understanding of it:

It is not me that asserts the truth of (2). This is asserted by
the person to whom I am replying. (2) is an assertion. But I did
not assert it. Lets go though the whole thing:

+mrcakey comes along and says both (1) and (2).

So I put them both down to see where such a conjunction leads to.
And if you look closely, it leads to 7 and 8 which shows that
there is something wrong with believing both 1 and 2. This type
of argument is sometimes called a reductio ad absurdum.

--
dorayme

Re: Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

am 07.12.2007 23:49:15 von dorayme

In article
,
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
>
> > (2) If you HAVE to link to an outside site and you still want
> > your users to come back then this is one time using frames is
> > acceptable
>
> ..until you get to a site like mine, which will break out of the frame,
> leaving the visitor with nothing to go back to...

Good for you. It is a bad practice to put other people's web
pages inside your own frames.

--
dorayme

Re: Whether to use target="_blank" for outside link

am 07.12.2007 23:56:53 von Els

dorayme wrote:

> In article ,
> Els wrote:
>
>> dorayme wrote:
>>
>>> In article ,
>>> +mrcakey wrote:
>>>
>>>> the very clear consensus is that using target="_blank" is a BAD THING
>>>
>>>> I think, if you HAVE to link to an outside site and you still want your
>>>> users to come back then this is one time using frames is acceptable
>>>
>>> (1) The very clear consensus is that using target="_blank" is a
>>> BAD THING
>>>
>>> (2) If you HAVE to link to an outside site and you still want
>>> your users to come back then this is one time using frames is
>>> acceptable
>>>
>>> (3) Most sites DO link to outside
>>>
>>> (4) Most site authors WANT users to come back
>>>
>>> (5) Most sites should use frames (from 2, 3 and 4)
>>>
>>> (6) If you use frames and want to link to outside, you use
>>> target="_blank"
>>>
>>> (7) Using target="_blank" is a GOOD THING
>>>
>>> ergo
>>>
>>> (8) The consensus that using target="_blank" is a BAD THING is
>>> false
>>
>> Nah, point 2 is false, rendering the conclusion at point 5
>> non-existent, making point 3, 4 and 6 irrelevant, point 7 meaningless,
>> and thus leaving us with the original at point 1: opening outbound
>> links in a new window is a BAD THING :-)
>
> I guess, then, you don't appreciate my reductio ad absurdum. If
> you don't, there are not many others that will, given you are one
> of the sharpest. Perhaps this will help to give you a better
> understanding of it:
>
> It is not me that asserts the truth of (2). This is asserted by
> the person to whom I am replying. (2) is an assertion. But I did
> not assert it. Lets go though the whole thing:
>
> +mrcakey comes along and says both (1) and (2).
>
> So I put them both down to see where such a conjunction leads to.
> And if you look closely, it leads to 7 and 8 which shows that
> there is something wrong with believing both 1 and 2. This type
> of argument is sometimes called a reductio ad absurdum.

I actually did get it, but just liked to refute the conclusion with a
more indepth analysis ;-)

As for the term 'reductio ad absurdum', I didn't know it, but it
sounds like a good term for the concept. Would that be the same thing
as that mysterious mathematical calculation that (by sneaking a
non-truth into the equation) seems to prove that 1 = 0?

(sorry for lack of snippage - couldn't make up my mind on what to
leave in or out)

--
Els http://locusmeus.com/