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#1: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-08 13:22:34 by Michael J Martin

Found an interesting one today. I've been editing some code in the
office and one of my editors, either Coda, SubEthaEdit, Scite or Geany
added an interesting character into my PHP source file.

Initially I thought it was a bug somewhere in my code. But I didn't
know about this hidden character until I viewed it as a phps file.

http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.phps
http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.txt


http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php - error it returns
http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.gz - in case the txt
file doesn't contain the character.

Can anyone else reproduce it with the links I have just given?

I'm hoping Apache doesn't cause it to go away. Now I've got to go back
into all my code to see if it's crept in. I tried converting /
reinterpreting Line Endings and Encoding types - even to ASCII in Coda
but it still appears!

I know it's probably an encoding issue but surely one like this
shouldn't bring PHP down?

Mike

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#2: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-08 15:14:02 by Michael Fesser

..oO(Michael J Martin)

>Found an interesting one today. I've been editing some code in the
>office and one of my editors, either Coda, SubEthaEdit, Scite or Geany
>added an interesting character into my PHP source file.
>
>Initially I thought it was a bug somewhere in my code. But I didn't
>know about this hidden character until I viewed it as a phps file.
>
>http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.phps
>http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.txt
>
>
>http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php - error it returns
>http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.gz - in case the txt
>file doesn't contain the character.
>
>Can anyone else reproduce it with the links I have just given?

Yes. Question is where does it come from?

>I'm hoping Apache doesn't cause it to go away. Now I've got to go back
>into all my code to see if it's crept in. I tried converting /
>reinterpreting Line Endings and Encoding types - even to ASCII in Coda
>but it still appears!
>
>I know it's probably an encoding issue but surely one like this
>shouldn't bring PHP down?

The byte in question is 0x7F, which is the "DEL" control char:

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/007f/index.htm

Obviously it shouldn't be there at all.

Micha

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#3: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-08 15:14:02 by Michael Fesser

..oO(Michael J Martin)

>Found an interesting one today. I've been editing some code in the
>office and one of my editors, either Coda, SubEthaEdit, Scite or Geany
>added an interesting character into my PHP source file.
>
>Initially I thought it was a bug somewhere in my code. But I didn't
>know about this hidden character until I viewed it as a phps file.
>
>http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.phps
>http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.txt
>
>
>http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php - error it returns
>http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.gz - in case the txt
>file doesn't contain the character.
>
>Can anyone else reproduce it with the links I have just given?

Yes. Question is where does it come from?

>I'm hoping Apache doesn't cause it to go away. Now I've got to go back
>into all my code to see if it's crept in. I tried converting /
>reinterpreting Line Endings and Encoding types - even to ASCII in Coda
>but it still appears!
>
>I know it's probably an encoding issue but surely one like this
>shouldn't bring PHP down?

The byte in question is 0x7F, which is the "DEL" control char:

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/007f/index.htm

Obviously it shouldn't be there at all.

Micha

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#4: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-08 18:48:26 by Jerry Stuckle

Michael J Martin wrote:
> Found an interesting one today. I've been editing some code in the
> office and one of my editors, either Coda, SubEthaEdit, Scite or Geany
> added an interesting character into my PHP source file.
>
> Initially I thought it was a bug somewhere in my code. But I didn't
> know about this hidden character until I viewed it as a phps file.
>
> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.phps
> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.txt
>
>
> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php - error it returns
> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.gz - in case the txt
> file doesn't contain the character.
>
> Can anyone else reproduce it with the links I have just given?
>
> I'm hoping Apache doesn't cause it to go away. Now I've got to go back
> into all my code to see if it's crept in. I tried converting /
> reinterpreting Line Endings and Encoding types - even to ASCII in Coda
> but it still appears!
>
> I know it's probably an encoding issue but surely one like this
> shouldn't bring PHP down?
>
> Mike
>

Mike,

It is in your .gz file - on a line by itself between the $qsql= and the
echo statements.

Maybe try a different editor. It showed up perfectly in TextPad.

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#5: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-08 18:48:26 by Jerry Stuckle

Michael J Martin wrote:
> Found an interesting one today. I've been editing some code in the
> office and one of my editors, either Coda, SubEthaEdit, Scite or Geany
> added an interesting character into my PHP source file.
>
> Initially I thought it was a bug somewhere in my code. But I didn't
> know about this hidden character until I viewed it as a phps file.
>
> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.phps
> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.txt
>
>
> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php - error it returns
> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.gz - in case the txt
> file doesn't contain the character.
>
> Can anyone else reproduce it with the links I have just given?
>
> I'm hoping Apache doesn't cause it to go away. Now I've got to go back
> into all my code to see if it's crept in. I tried converting /
> reinterpreting Line Endings and Encoding types - even to ASCII in Coda
> but it still appears!
>
> I know it's probably an encoding issue but surely one like this
> shouldn't bring PHP down?
>
> Mike
>

Mike,

It is in your .gz file - on a line by itself between the $qsql= and the
echo statements.

Maybe try a different editor. It showed up perfectly in TextPad.

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#6: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-09 10:24:21 by Erwin Moller

Jerry Stuckle schreef:
> Michael J Martin wrote:
>> Found an interesting one today. I've been editing some code in the
>> office and one of my editors, either Coda, SubEthaEdit, Scite or Geany
>> added an interesting character into my PHP source file.
>>
>> Initially I thought it was a bug somewhere in my code. But I didn't
>> know about this hidden character until I viewed it as a phps file.
>>
>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.phps
>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.txt
>>
>>
>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php - error it returns
>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.gz - in case the txt
>> file doesn't contain the character.
>>
>> Can anyone else reproduce it with the links I have just given?
>>
>> I'm hoping Apache doesn't cause it to go away. Now I've got to go back
>> into all my code to see if it's crept in. I tried converting /
>> reinterpreting Line Endings and Encoding types - even to ASCII in Coda
>> but it still appears!
>>
>> I know it's probably an encoding issue but surely one like this
>> shouldn't bring PHP down?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Mike,
>
> It is in your .gz file - on a line by itself between the $qsql= and the
> echo statements.
>
> Maybe try a different editor. It showed up perfectly in TextPad.
>

TextPad Jerry?
Great! My old favorite editor. :-)
I thought I was the last man on Earth using it. ;-)

Regards,
Erwin Moller

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#7: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-09 10:24:21 by Erwin Moller

Jerry Stuckle schreef:
> Michael J Martin wrote:
>> Found an interesting one today. I've been editing some code in the
>> office and one of my editors, either Coda, SubEthaEdit, Scite or Geany
>> added an interesting character into my PHP source file.
>>
>> Initially I thought it was a bug somewhere in my code. But I didn't
>> know about this hidden character until I viewed it as a phps file.
>>
>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.phps
>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.txt
>>
>>
>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php - error it returns
>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.gz - in case the txt
>> file doesn't contain the character.
>>
>> Can anyone else reproduce it with the links I have just given?
>>
>> I'm hoping Apache doesn't cause it to go away. Now I've got to go back
>> into all my code to see if it's crept in. I tried converting /
>> reinterpreting Line Endings and Encoding types - even to ASCII in Coda
>> but it still appears!
>>
>> I know it's probably an encoding issue but surely one like this
>> shouldn't bring PHP down?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Mike,
>
> It is in your .gz file - on a line by itself between the $qsql= and the
> echo statements.
>
> Maybe try a different editor. It showed up perfectly in TextPad.
>

TextPad Jerry?
Great! My old favorite editor. :-)
I thought I was the last man on Earth using it. ;-)

Regards,
Erwin Moller

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#8: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-09 12:18:21 by Michael J Martin

On Apr 8, 2:14 pm, Michael Fesser <neti...@gmx.de> wrote:

> The byte in question is 0x7F, which is the "DEL" control char:
>
> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/007f/index.htm
>
> Obviously it shouldn't be there at all.
>
> Micha

Interesting, I'll keep an eye on that. Maybe if I can reproduce it
again whilst editing I'll send it to the Coda dev team. - I think it
was Coda that was the culprit.

So the question becomes subjective:
FR: Shouldn't the PHP interpreter ignore 0x07F when interpreting?

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#9: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-09 12:18:21 by Michael J Martin

On Apr 8, 2:14 pm, Michael Fesser <neti...@gmx.de> wrote:

> The byte in question is 0x7F, which is the "DEL" control char:
>
> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/007f/index.htm
>
> Obviously it shouldn't be there at all.
>
> Micha

Interesting, I'll keep an eye on that. Maybe if I can reproduce it
again whilst editing I'll send it to the Coda dev team. - I think it
was Coda that was the culprit.

So the question becomes subjective:
FR: Shouldn't the PHP interpreter ignore 0x07F when interpreting?

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#10: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-09 12:23:14 by Jerry Stuckle

Erwin Moller wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle schreef:
>> Michael J Martin wrote:
>>> Found an interesting one today. I've been editing some code in the
>>> office and one of my editors, either Coda, SubEthaEdit, Scite or Geany
>>> added an interesting character into my PHP source file.
>>>
>>> Initially I thought it was a bug somewhere in my code. But I didn't
>>> know about this hidden character until I viewed it as a phps file.
>>>
>>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.phps
>>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.txt
>>>
>>>
>>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php - error it returns
>>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.gz - in case the txt
>>> file doesn't contain the character.
>>>
>>> Can anyone else reproduce it with the links I have just given?
>>>
>>> I'm hoping Apache doesn't cause it to go away. Now I've got to go back
>>> into all my code to see if it's crept in. I tried converting /
>>> reinterpreting Line Endings and Encoding types - even to ASCII in Coda
>>> but it still appears!
>>>
>>> I know it's probably an encoding issue but surely one like this
>>> shouldn't bring PHP down?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> It is in your .gz file - on a line by itself between the $qsql= and
>> the echo statements.
>>
>> Maybe try a different editor. It showed up perfectly in TextPad.
>>
>
> TextPad Jerry?
> Great! My old favorite editor. :-)
> I thought I was the last man on Earth using it. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Erwin Moller
>

Naw, Erwin, it's one of the editors I use, mainly for quick and dirty
stuff. I prefer Crimson for programming (actually Eclipse is better but
a bit buggy). But sometimes, like this, the simpler the better :-)

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#11: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-09 12:23:14 by Jerry Stuckle

Erwin Moller wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle schreef:
>> Michael J Martin wrote:
>>> Found an interesting one today. I've been editing some code in the
>>> office and one of my editors, either Coda, SubEthaEdit, Scite or Geany
>>> added an interesting character into my PHP source file.
>>>
>>> Initially I thought it was a bug somewhere in my code. But I didn't
>>> know about this hidden character until I viewed it as a phps file.
>>>
>>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.phps
>>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.txt
>>>
>>>
>>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php - error it returns
>>> http://projects.mike-martin.com/fecking_bug.php.gz - in case the txt
>>> file doesn't contain the character.
>>>
>>> Can anyone else reproduce it with the links I have just given?
>>>
>>> I'm hoping Apache doesn't cause it to go away. Now I've got to go back
>>> into all my code to see if it's crept in. I tried converting /
>>> reinterpreting Line Endings and Encoding types - even to ASCII in Coda
>>> but it still appears!
>>>
>>> I know it's probably an encoding issue but surely one like this
>>> shouldn't bring PHP down?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> It is in your .gz file - on a line by itself between the $qsql= and
>> the echo statements.
>>
>> Maybe try a different editor. It showed up perfectly in TextPad.
>>
>
> TextPad Jerry?
> Great! My old favorite editor. :-)
> I thought I was the last man on Earth using it. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Erwin Moller
>

Naw, Erwin, it's one of the editors I use, mainly for quick and dirty
stuff. I prefer Crimson for programming (actually Eclipse is better but
a bit buggy). But sometimes, like this, the simpler the better :-)

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#12: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-09 12:24:41 by Jerry Stuckle

Michael J Martin wrote:
> On Apr 8, 2:14 pm, Michael Fesser <neti...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> The byte in question is 0x7F, which is the "DEL" control char:
>>
>> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/007f/index.htm
>>
>> Obviously it shouldn't be there at all.
>>
>> Micha
>
> Interesting, I'll keep an eye on that. Maybe if I can reproduce it
> again whilst editing I'll send it to the Coda dev team. - I think it
> was Coda that was the culprit.
>
> So the question becomes subjective:
> FR: Shouldn't the PHP interpreter ignore 0x07F when interpreting?
>

No, PHP doesn't ignore any character - just like every other language,
every character counts. As it should be.

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#13: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-09 12:24:41 by Jerry Stuckle

Michael J Martin wrote:
> On Apr 8, 2:14 pm, Michael Fesser <neti...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> The byte in question is 0x7F, which is the "DEL" control char:
>>
>> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/007f/index.htm
>>
>> Obviously it shouldn't be there at all.
>>
>> Micha
>
> Interesting, I'll keep an eye on that. Maybe if I can reproduce it
> again whilst editing I'll send it to the Coda dev team. - I think it
> was Coda that was the culprit.
>
> So the question becomes subjective:
> FR: Shouldn't the PHP interpreter ignore 0x07F when interpreting?
>

No, PHP doesn't ignore any character - just like every other language,
every character counts. As it should be.

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#14: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-10 10:09:55 by Erwin Moller

Jerry Stuckle schreef:
> Erwin Moller wrote:

<snip>

>> TextPad Jerry?
>> Great! My old favorite editor. :-)
>> I thought I was the last man on Earth using it. ;-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Erwin Moller
>>
>
> Naw, Erwin, it's one of the editors I use, mainly for quick and dirty
> stuff. I prefer Crimson for programming (actually Eclipse is better but
> a bit buggy). But sometimes, like this, the simpler the better :-)

Hi Jerry,

TextPad is a great program, but I don't use it either for PHP
programming. I prefer Zend Studio (5.5) at the moment, but am
considering their Eclipse port.

I feel a bit had by Zend. When I bought Zend Studio, they promised me a
lifetime of free upgrades, only to start their new line in Eclipse right
away, for which I have to pay of course.
Bad Zend, seems they are in it for the money. ;-)

Regards,
Erwin

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#15: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-10 10:09:55 by Erwin Moller

Jerry Stuckle schreef:
> Erwin Moller wrote:

<snip>

>> TextPad Jerry?
>> Great! My old favorite editor. :-)
>> I thought I was the last man on Earth using it. ;-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Erwin Moller
>>
>
> Naw, Erwin, it's one of the editors I use, mainly for quick and dirty
> stuff. I prefer Crimson for programming (actually Eclipse is better but
> a bit buggy). But sometimes, like this, the simpler the better :-)

Hi Jerry,

TextPad is a great program, but I don't use it either for PHP
programming. I prefer Zend Studio (5.5) at the moment, but am
considering their Eclipse port.

I feel a bit had by Zend. When I bought Zend Studio, they promised me a
lifetime of free upgrades, only to start their new line in Eclipse right
away, for which I have to pay of course.
Bad Zend, seems they are in it for the money. ;-)

Regards,
Erwin

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#16: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-10 12:30:58 by Jerry Stuckle

Erwin Moller wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle schreef:
>> Erwin Moller wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> TextPad Jerry?
>>> Great! My old favorite editor. :-)
>>> I thought I was the last man on Earth using it. ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Erwin Moller
>>>
>>
>> Naw, Erwin, it's one of the editors I use, mainly for quick and dirty
>> stuff. I prefer Crimson for programming (actually Eclipse is better
>> but a bit buggy). But sometimes, like this, the simpler the better :-)
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> TextPad is a great program, but I don't use it either for PHP
> programming. I prefer Zend Studio (5.5) at the moment, but am
> considering their Eclipse port.
>
> I feel a bit had by Zend. When I bought Zend Studio, they promised me a
> lifetime of free upgrades, only to start their new line in Eclipse right
> away, for which I have to pay of course.
> Bad Zend, seems they are in it for the money. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Erwin
>

Yea, I almost bought Zend studio. Glad I didn't, now.

Of course, they said "lifetime updates" - but they didn't say WHOSE
lifetime... :-)


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#17: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-10 12:30:58 by Jerry Stuckle

Erwin Moller wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle schreef:
>> Erwin Moller wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> TextPad Jerry?
>>> Great! My old favorite editor. :-)
>>> I thought I was the last man on Earth using it. ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Erwin Moller
>>>
>>
>> Naw, Erwin, it's one of the editors I use, mainly for quick and dirty
>> stuff. I prefer Crimson for programming (actually Eclipse is better
>> but a bit buggy). But sometimes, like this, the simpler the better :-)
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> TextPad is a great program, but I don't use it either for PHP
> programming. I prefer Zend Studio (5.5) at the moment, but am
> considering their Eclipse port.
>
> I feel a bit had by Zend. When I bought Zend Studio, they promised me a
> lifetime of free upgrades, only to start their new line in Eclipse right
> away, for which I have to pay of course.
> Bad Zend, seems they are in it for the money. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Erwin
>

Yea, I almost bought Zend studio. Glad I didn't, now.

Of course, they said "lifetime updates" - but they didn't say WHOSE
lifetime... :-)


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#18: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-10 14:51:31 by piotr

>> TextPad is a great program, but I don't use it either for PHP
>> programming. I prefer Zend Studio (5.5) at the moment, but am
>> considering their Eclipse port.
>>
>> I feel a bit had by Zend. When I bought Zend Studio, they promised me
>> a lifetime of free upgrades, only to start their new line in Eclipse
>> right away, for which I have to pay of course.
>> Bad Zend, seems they are in it for the money. ;-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Erwin
>>
>
> Yea, I almost bought Zend studio. Glad I didn't, now.
>
> Of course, they said "lifetime updates" - but they didn't say WHOSE
> lifetime... :-)
>
>

There will be Netbeans powered PHP first alpha released in about one month.

best regards
Piotr N

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#19: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-10 14:51:31 by piotr

>> TextPad is a great program, but I don't use it either for PHP
>> programming. I prefer Zend Studio (5.5) at the moment, but am
>> considering their Eclipse port.
>>
>> I feel a bit had by Zend. When I bought Zend Studio, they promised me
>> a lifetime of free upgrades, only to start their new line in Eclipse
>> right away, for which I have to pay of course.
>> Bad Zend, seems they are in it for the money. ;-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Erwin
>>
>
> Yea, I almost bought Zend studio. Glad I didn't, now.
>
> Of course, they said "lifetime updates" - but they didn't say WHOSE
> lifetime... :-)
>
>

There will be Netbeans powered PHP first alpha released in about one month.

best regards
Piotr N

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#20: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-10 14:54:14 by piotr

Piotr wrote:
>>> TextPad is a great program, but I don't use it either for PHP
>>> programming. I prefer Zend Studio (5.5) at the moment, but am
>>> considering their Eclipse port.
>>>
>>> I feel a bit had by Zend. When I bought Zend Studio, they promised me
>>> a lifetime of free upgrades, only to start their new line in Eclipse
>>> right away, for which I have to pay of course.
>>> Bad Zend, seems they are in it for the money. ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Erwin
>>>
>> Yea, I almost bought Zend studio. Glad I didn't, now.
>>
>> Of course, they said "lifetime updates" - but they didn't say WHOSE
>> lifetime... :-)
>>
>>
>
> There will be Netbeans powered PHP first alpha released in about one month.
>
> best regards
> Piotr N
ofc, I ment PHP IDE

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#21: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-10 14:54:14 by piotr

Piotr wrote:
>>> TextPad is a great program, but I don't use it either for PHP
>>> programming. I prefer Zend Studio (5.5) at the moment, but am
>>> considering their Eclipse port.
>>>
>>> I feel a bit had by Zend. When I bought Zend Studio, they promised me
>>> a lifetime of free upgrades, only to start their new line in Eclipse
>>> right away, for which I have to pay of course.
>>> Bad Zend, seems they are in it for the money. ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Erwin
>>>
>> Yea, I almost bought Zend studio. Glad I didn't, now.
>>
>> Of course, they said "lifetime updates" - but they didn't say WHOSE
>> lifetime... :-)
>>
>>
>
> There will be Netbeans powered PHP first alpha released in about one month.
>
> best regards
> Piotr N
ofc, I ment PHP IDE

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#22: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-10 16:26:17 by Erwin Moller

Piotr schreef:
> Piotr wrote:
>>>> TextPad is a great program, but I don't use it either for PHP
>>>> programming. I prefer Zend Studio (5.5) at the moment, but am
>>>> considering their Eclipse port.
>>>>
>>>> I feel a bit had by Zend. When I bought Zend Studio, they promised me
>>>> a lifetime of free upgrades, only to start their new line in Eclipse
>>>> right away, for which I have to pay of course.
>>>> Bad Zend, seems they are in it for the money. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Erwin
>>>>
>>> Yea, I almost bought Zend studio. Glad I didn't, now.
>>>
>>> Of course, they said "lifetime updates" - but they didn't say WHOSE
>>> lifetime... :-)
>>>
>>>
>> There will be Netbeans powered PHP first alpha released in about one month.
>>
>> best regards
>> Piotr N
> ofc, I ment PHP IDE

Netbeans goes PHP?
Wow!

I liked Netbeans a lot more than Eclipse for my Java Projects.
Not to mention Eclipse was horribly slow on my old development machine.

Personally, I thought of Eclipse as overly complex compared to Netbeans,
but that could very well be just me.

I'll keep an eye on it. :-)

Thanks for the news.

Regards,
Erwin Moller

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#23: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-10 16:26:17 by Erwin Moller

Piotr schreef:
> Piotr wrote:
>>>> TextPad is a great program, but I don't use it either for PHP
>>>> programming. I prefer Zend Studio (5.5) at the moment, but am
>>>> considering their Eclipse port.
>>>>
>>>> I feel a bit had by Zend. When I bought Zend Studio, they promised me
>>>> a lifetime of free upgrades, only to start their new line in Eclipse
>>>> right away, for which I have to pay of course.
>>>> Bad Zend, seems they are in it for the money. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Erwin
>>>>
>>> Yea, I almost bought Zend studio. Glad I didn't, now.
>>>
>>> Of course, they said "lifetime updates" - but they didn't say WHOSE
>>> lifetime... :-)
>>>
>>>
>> There will be Netbeans powered PHP first alpha released in about one month.
>>
>> best regards
>> Piotr N
> ofc, I ment PHP IDE

Netbeans goes PHP?
Wow!

I liked Netbeans a lot more than Eclipse for my Java Projects.
Not to mention Eclipse was horribly slow on my old development machine.

Personally, I thought of Eclipse as overly complex compared to Netbeans,
but that could very well be just me.

I'll keep an eye on it. :-)

Thanks for the news.

Regards,
Erwin Moller

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#24: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-10 23:14:26 by Jerry Stuckle

Piotr wrote:
>>> TextPad is a great program, but I don't use it either for PHP
>>> programming. I prefer Zend Studio (5.5) at the moment, but am
>>> considering their Eclipse port.
>>>
>>> I feel a bit had by Zend. When I bought Zend Studio, they promised me
>>> a lifetime of free upgrades, only to start their new line in Eclipse
>>> right away, for which I have to pay of course.
>>> Bad Zend, seems they are in it for the money. ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Erwin
>>>
>> Yea, I almost bought Zend studio. Glad I didn't, now.
>>
>> Of course, they said "lifetime updates" - but they didn't say WHOSE
>> lifetime... :-)
>>
>>
>
> There will be Netbeans powered PHP first alpha released in about one month.
>
> best regards
> Piotr N
>

Hmmm, now that would be good! Netbeans is really good for Java.

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#25: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-10 23:14:26 by Jerry Stuckle

Piotr wrote:
>>> TextPad is a great program, but I don't use it either for PHP
>>> programming. I prefer Zend Studio (5.5) at the moment, but am
>>> considering their Eclipse port.
>>>
>>> I feel a bit had by Zend. When I bought Zend Studio, they promised me
>>> a lifetime of free upgrades, only to start their new line in Eclipse
>>> right away, for which I have to pay of course.
>>> Bad Zend, seems they are in it for the money. ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Erwin
>>>
>> Yea, I almost bought Zend studio. Glad I didn't, now.
>>
>> Of course, they said "lifetime updates" - but they didn't say WHOSE
>> lifetime... :-)
>>
>>
>
> There will be Netbeans powered PHP first alpha released in about one month.
>
> best regards
> Piotr N
>

Hmmm, now that would be good! Netbeans is really good for Java.

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#26: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-10 23:57:08 by piotr

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
> Hmmm, now that would be good! Netbeans is really good for Java.
>
Well.. in fact one of it's dev team members asked the question about
"what are our expectations from 'best' PHP IDE" few days ago on polish
PHP group.
I have some experience with Eclipse and Zend Studio, so shared my view
from that perspective, but if you have some more info, i guess it
wouldn't be bad to mail the guy with suggestions.

He posted as tomslot(at)gmail.com,
web: http://wiki.netbeans.org/PHP

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#27: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-11 00:19:04 by Jerry Stuckle

Piotr wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Hmmm, now that would be good! Netbeans is really good for Java.
>>
> Well.. in fact one of it's dev team members asked the question about
> "what are our expectations from 'best' PHP IDE" few days ago on polish
> PHP group.
> I have some experience with Eclipse and Zend Studio, so shared my view
> from that perspective, but if you have some more info, i guess it
> wouldn't be bad to mail the guy with suggestions.
>
> He posted as tomslot(at)gmail.com,
> web: http://wiki.netbeans.org/PHP
>
> best regards
> Piotr N
>

Not knowing what they're planning, it's hard to make suggestions. But
if they do the same things that NetBeans is doing currently in Java, it
should be great.

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#28: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-11 09:09:57 by piotr

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
> Not knowing what they're planning, it's hard to make suggestions. But
> if they do the same things that NetBeans is doing currently in Java, it
> should be great.
>
I guess one of the point of him asking, was that we dont know what they
are planing :) They don't want to know what we expect, but rather what
we would like to have.

Anyways, it's all in the wiki.

best regards
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#29: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-11 14:48:15 by Jerry Stuckle

Piotr wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Not knowing what they're planning, it's hard to make suggestions. But
>> if they do the same things that NetBeans is doing currently in Java, it
>> should be great.
>>
> I guess one of the point of him asking, was that we dont know what they
> are planing :) They don't want to know what we expect, but rather what
> we would like to have.
>
> Anyways, it's all in the wiki.
>
> best regards
> Piotr N
>

As I said - if they're going to do for PHP what NetBeans does for Java,
I'd be happy.

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#30: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-14 00:02:06 by Sir Robin

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:51:31 +0200, Piotr <spam@poczta.onet.pl> wrote:

>> Yea, I almost bought Zend studio. Glad I didn't, now.
>>
>> Of course, they said "lifetime updates" - but they didn't say WHOSE
>> lifetime... :-)
>>
>>
>
>There will be Netbeans powered PHP first alpha released in about one month.

Hmm, I use Netbeans for Java but I really don't feel like using any
development IDE's with most languages (including PHP) and have grown very fond
of emacs :) Might be interesting to check that one out just to feed my
curiosity though :)

Heh, actually JBuilder and Netbeans are only dev IDE's I have used after I
switched from Borland Turbo Pascal & C/C++ to DJGPP C/C++ compiler (back in
DOS days) - since that I have used simple editors for quick hacks and emacs
for most other things...

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#31: Re: Wierd character bug in PHP?

Posted on 2008-04-14 00:02:06 by Sir Robin

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:51:31 +0200, Piotr <spam@poczta.onet.pl> wrote:

>> Yea, I almost bought Zend studio. Glad I didn't, now.
>>
>> Of course, they said "lifetime updates" - but they didn't say WHOSE
>> lifetime... :-)
>>
>>
>
>There will be Netbeans powered PHP first alpha released in about one month.

Hmm, I use Netbeans for Java but I really don't feel like using any
development IDE's with most languages (including PHP) and have grown very fond
of emacs :) Might be interesting to check that one out just to feed my
curiosity though :)

Heh, actually JBuilder and Netbeans are only dev IDE's I have used after I
switched from Borland Turbo Pascal & C/C++ to DJGPP C/C++ compiler (back in
DOS days) - since that I have used simple editors for quick hacks and emacs
for most other things...

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