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#1: ?Caching? problems?

Posted on 2008-04-13 00:33:45 by christos.jonathan.hayward

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I am trying to move my main sites from a host which is closing to a new
server. Most of the migration has gone well but I am experiencing odd
?caching? behavior that has old data being served up even if I hit
shift-reload or go to a different computer(!).

The new server is running NetBSD, and httpd -v gives:

Server version: Apache/2.0.59
Server built: Jul 5 2007 12:37:12

The source site is http://JonathansCorner.com/ , copied on the new server to
http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/ . I'm having trouble with the root-level
index, which should change once a minute and does so on the source site.

On the destination site, I have a script that looks at the domain and serves
up either the (changing minute by minute) content of
http://JonathansCorner.com/ , or if the domain is one of a few specific
domains, serves up the content of http://JonathansCorner.com/home/ . Now,
accessing it through http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/ is intended to give
similar results to http://JonathansCorner.com/ , and if I circumvent Apache
and run the script on the command line, it does exactly what I want it to.

The behavior I have seen was first for http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/ to
give one single, frozen page like http://JonathansCorner.com/ shows (this is
persistent across shift-reloads), and then to give the content of
http://JonathansCorner.com/home/ .

I can post the script if requested, but I don't think it's the script, both
because it is simple enough--serve up one of two files depending on regexp
comparisons of the domain names--and because I get the intended dynamic
output if I run it from the command line.

Are there ways Apache may be caching that I can configure away in httpd.conf
or script headers? Are there other likely culprits?

Thanks,

--
++ Jonathan Hayward, jonathan.hayward@pobox.com
** To see an award-winning website with stories, essays, artwork,
** games, and a four-dimensional maze, why not visit my home page?
** All of this is waiting for you at http://JonathansCorner.com

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I am trying to move my main sites from a host which is closing to a new server. Most of the migration has gone well but I am experiencing odd ?caching? behavior that has old data being served up even if I hit shift-reload or go to a different computer(!). <br>
<br>The new server is running NetBSD, and httpd -v gives:<br><br>Server version: Apache/2.0.59<br>Server built:&nbsp;&nbsp; Jul&nbsp; 5 2007 12:37:12<br><br>The source site is <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/">http://JonathansCorner.com/</a> , copied on the new server to <a href="http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/">http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/</a> . I&#39;m having trouble with the root-level index, which should change once a minute and does so on the source site.<br>
<br>On the destination site, I have a script that looks at the domain and serves up either the (changing minute by minute) content of <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/">http://JonathansCorner.com/</a> , or if the domain is one of a few specific domains, serves up the content of <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/home/">http://JonathansCorner.com/home/</a> . Now, accessing it through <a href="http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/">http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/</a> is intended to give similar results to <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/">http://JonathansCorner.com/</a> , and if I circumvent Apache and run the script on the command line, it does exactly what I want it to.<br>
<br>The behavior I have seen was first for <a href="http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/">http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/</a> to give one single, frozen page like <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/">http://JonathansCorner.com/</a> shows (this is persistent across shift-reloads), and then to give the content of <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/home/">http://JonathansCorner.com/home/</a> .<br>
<br>I can post the script if requested, but I don&#39;t think it&#39;s the script, both because it is simple enough--serve up one of two files depending on regexp comparisons of the domain names--and because I get the intended dynamic output if I run it from the command line.<br>
<br>Are there ways Apache may be caching that I can configure away in httpd.conf or script headers? Are there other likely culprits?<br><br>Thanks,<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>++ Jonathan Hayward, <a href="mailto:jonathan.hayward@pobox.com">jonathan.hayward@pobox.com</a><br>
** To see an award-winning website with stories, essays, artwork,<br>** games, and a four-dimensional maze, why not visit my home page?<br>** All of this is waiting for you at <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com">http://JonathansCorner.com</a>

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#2: Re: ?Caching? problems?

Posted on 2008-04-13 04:15:09 by j k

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On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Jonathan Hayward http://JonathansCorner.com<
christos.jonathan.hayward@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am trying to move my main sites from a host which is closing to a new
> server. Most of the migration has gone well but I am experiencing odd
> ?caching? behavior that has old data being served up even if I hit
> shift-reload or go to a different computer(!).
>
> The new server is running NetBSD, and httpd -v gives:
>
> Server version: Apache/2.0.59
> Server built: Jul 5 2007 12:37:12
>
> The source site is http://JonathansCorner.com/ , copied on the new server
> to http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/ . I'm having trouble with the
> root-level index, which should change once a minute and does so on the
> source site.
>
> On the destination site, I have a script that looks at the domain and
> serves up either the (changing minute by minute) content of
> http://JonathansCorner.com/ , or if the domain is one of a few specific
> domains, serves up the content of http://JonathansCorner.com/home/ . Now,
> accessing it through http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/ is intended to give
> similar results to http://JonathansCorner.com/ , and if I circumvent
> Apache and run the script on the command line, it does exactly what I want
> it to.
>
> The behavior I have seen was first for http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/to give one single, frozen page like
> http://JonathansCorner.com/ shows (this is persistent across
> shift-reloads), and then to give the content of
> http://JonathansCorner.com/home/ .
>
> I can post the script if requested, but I don't think it's the script,
> both because it is simple enough--serve up one of two files depending on
> regexp comparisons of the domain names--and because I get the intended
> dynamic output if I run it from the command line.
>
> Are there ways Apache may be caching that I can configure away in
> httpd.conf or script headers? Are there other likely culprits?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> ++ Jonathan Hayward, jonathan.hayward@pobox.com
> ** To see an award-winning website with stories, essays, artwork,
> ** games, and a four-dimensional maze, why not visit my home page?
> ** All of this is waiting for you at http://JonathansCorner.com


Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see any issue. Both sites
http://JonathansCorner.com/ <http://jonathanscorner.com/> and
http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/

look the same aside from slightly different "starting points" when I view
them. The starting point on both refreshes to the same thing on both when
I do cntl-r and every so often ( ihaven't actually timed it) when I do
that it changes to a different starting point
..

So "it works for me".

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Jonathan Hayward <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com">http://JonathansCorner.com</a> &lt;<a href="mailto:christos.jonathan.hayward@gmail.com">christos.jonathan.hayward@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I am trying to move my main sites from a host which is closing to a new server. Most of the migration has gone well but I am experiencing odd ?caching? behavior that has old data being served up even if I hit shift-reload or go to a different computer(!). <br>

<br>The new server is running NetBSD, and httpd -v gives:<br><br>Server version: Apache/2.0.59<br>Server built:&nbsp;&nbsp; Jul&nbsp; 5 2007 12:37:12<br><br>The source site is <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com/</a> , copied on the new server to <a href="http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/" target="_blank">http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/</a> . I&#39;m having trouble with the root-level index, which should change once a minute and does so on the source site.<br>

<br>On the destination site, I have a script that looks at the domain and serves up either the (changing minute by minute) content of <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com/</a> , or if the domain is one of a few specific domains, serves up the content of <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/home/" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com/home/</a> . Now, accessing it through <a href="http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/" target="_blank">http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/</a> is intended to give similar results to <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com/</a> , and if I circumvent Apache and run the script on the command line, it does exactly what I want it to.<br>

<br>The behavior I have seen was first for <a href="http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/" target="_blank">http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/</a> to give one single, frozen page like <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com/</a> shows (this is persistent across shift-reloads), and then to give the content of <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/home/" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com/home/</a> .<br>

<br>I can post the script if requested, but I don&#39;t think it&#39;s the script, both because it is simple enough--serve up one of two files depending on regexp comparisons of the domain names--and because I get the intended dynamic output if I run it from the command line.<br>

<br>Are there ways Apache may be caching that I can configure away in httpd.conf or script headers? Are there other likely culprits?<br><br>Thanks,<br clear="all"><font color="#888888"><br>-- <br>++ Jonathan Hayward, <a href="mailto:jonathan.hayward@pobox.com" target="_blank">jonathan.hayward@pobox.com</a><br>

** To see an award-winning website with stories, essays, artwork,<br>** games, and a four-dimensional maze, why not visit my home page?<br>** All of this is waiting for you at <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com</a>
</font></blockquote></div><br>Maybe I&#39;m missing something but I don&#39;t see any issue. Both sites <br><a href="http://jonathanscorner.com/" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com/</a>&nbsp; and <a href="http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/" target="_blank">http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/</a> <br>
<br>look the same aside from slightly different &quot;starting points&quot; when I view them. The&nbsp; starting point on both refreshes to the same thing on both when I&nbsp; do cntl-r&nbsp; and every so often ( ihaven&#39;t actually timed it) when I do that it changes to a different starting point<br>
..<br><br>So &quot;it works for me&quot;.<br>

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#3: Re: ?Caching? problems?

Posted on 2008-04-14 16:03:45 by christos.jonathan.hayward

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I had made a mistake not related to Apache and things behaved predictably
well when I fixed it.

Sorry for troubling the list,

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 9:15 PM, j k <jonnykent@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Jonathan Hayward
> http://JonathansCorner.com <christos.jonathan.hayward@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am trying to move my main sites from a host which is closing to a new
> > server. Most of the migration has gone well but I am experiencing odd
> > ?caching? behavior that has old data being served up even if I hit
> > shift-reload or go to a different computer(!).
> >
> > The new server is running NetBSD, and httpd -v gives:
> >
> > Server version: Apache/2.0.59
> > Server built: Jul 5 2007 12:37:12
> >
> > The source site is http://JonathansCorner.com/ , copied on the new
> > server to http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/ . I'm having trouble with
> > the root-level index, which should change once a minute and does so on the
> > source site.
> >
> > On the destination site, I have a script that looks at the domain and
> > serves up either the (changing minute by minute) content of
> > http://JonathansCorner.com/ , or if the domain is one of a few specific
> > domains, serves up the content of http://JonathansCorner.com/home/ .
> > Now, accessing it through http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/ is intended
> > to give similar results to http://JonathansCorner.com/ , and if I
> > circumvent Apache and run the script on the command line, it does exactly
> > what I want it to.
> >
> > The behavior I have seen was first for http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/to give one single, frozen page like
> > http://JonathansCorner.com/ shows (this is persistent across
> > shift-reloads), and then to give the content of
> > http://JonathansCorner.com/home/ .
> >
> > I can post the script if requested, but I don't think it's the script,
> > both because it is simple enough--serve up one of two files depending on
> > regexp comparisons of the domain names--and because I get the intended
> > dynamic output if I run it from the command line.
> >
> > Are there ways Apache may be caching that I can configure away in
> > httpd.conf or script headers? Are there other likely culprits?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > ++ Jonathan Hayward, jonathan.hayward@pobox.com
> > ** To see an award-winning website with stories, essays, artwork,
> > ** games, and a four-dimensional maze, why not visit my home page?
> > ** All of this is waiting for you at http://JonathansCorner.com
>
>
> Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see any issue. Both sites
> http://JonathansCorner.com/ <http://jonathanscorner.com/> and
> http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/
>
> look the same aside from slightly different "starting points" when I view
> them. The starting point on both refreshes to the same thing on both when
> I do cntl-r and every so often ( ihaven't actually timed it) when I do
> that it changes to a different starting point
> .
>
> So "it works for me".
>



--
++ Jonathan Hayward, jonathan.hayward@pobox.com
** To see an award-winning website with stories, essays, artwork,
** games, and a four-dimensional maze, why not visit my home page?
** All of this is waiting for you at http://JonathansCorner.com

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I had made a mistake not related to Apache and things behaved predictably well when I fixed it.<br><br>Sorry for troubling the list,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 9:15 PM, j k &lt;<a href="mailto:jonnykent@gmail.com">jonnykent@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Jonathan Hayward <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com</a> &lt;<a href="mailto:christos.jonathan.hayward@gmail.com" target="_blank">christos.jonathan.hayward@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I am trying to move my main sites from a host which is closing to a new server. Most of the migration has gone well but I am experiencing odd ?caching? behavior that has old data being served up even if I hit shift-reload or go to a different computer(!). <br>


<br>The new server is running NetBSD, and httpd -v gives:<br><br>Server version: Apache/2.0.59<br>Server built:&nbsp;&nbsp; Jul&nbsp; 5 2007 12:37:12<br><br>The source site is <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com/</a> , copied on the new server to <a href="http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/" target="_blank">http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/</a> . I&#39;m having trouble with the root-level index, which should change once a minute and does so on the source site.<br>


<br>On the destination site, I have a script that looks at the domain and serves up either the (changing minute by minute) content of <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com/</a> , or if the domain is one of a few specific domains, serves up the content of <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/home/" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com/home/</a> . Now, accessing it through <a href="http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/" target="_blank">http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/</a> is intended to give similar results to <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com/</a> , and if I circumvent Apache and run the script on the command line, it does exactly what I want it to.<br>


<br>The behavior I have seen was first for <a href="http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/" target="_blank">http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/</a> to give one single, frozen page like <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com/</a> shows (this is persistent across shift-reloads), and then to give the content of <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com/home/" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com/home/</a> .<br>


<br>I can post the script if requested, but I don&#39;t think it&#39;s the script, both because it is simple enough--serve up one of two files depending on regexp comparisons of the domain names--and because I get the intended dynamic output if I run it from the command line.<br>


<br>Are there ways Apache may be caching that I can configure away in httpd.conf or script headers? Are there other likely culprits?<br><br>Thanks,<br clear="all"><font color="#888888"><br>-- <br>++ Jonathan Hayward, <a href="mailto:jonathan.hayward@pobox.com" target="_blank">jonathan.hayward@pobox.com</a><br>


** To see an award-winning website with stories, essays, artwork,<br>** games, and a four-dimensional maze, why not visit my home page?<br>** All of this is waiting for you at <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com</a>
</font></blockquote></div><br></div></div>Maybe I&#39;m missing something but I don&#39;t see any issue. Both sites <br><a href="http://jonathanscorner.com/" target="_blank">http://JonathansCorner.com/</a>&nbsp; and <a href="http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/" target="_blank">http://moved.jonathanscorner.com/</a> <br>

<br>look the same aside from slightly different &quot;starting points&quot; when I view them. The&nbsp; starting point on both refreshes to the same thing on both when I&nbsp; do cntl-r&nbsp; and every so often ( ihaven&#39;t actually timed it) when I do that it changes to a different starting point<br>

..<br><br>So &quot;it works for me&quot;.<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>++ Jonathan Hayward, <a href="mailto:jonathan.hayward@pobox.com">jonathan.hayward@pobox.com</a><br>** To see an award-winning website with stories, essays, artwork,<br>** games, and a four-dimensional maze, why not visit my home page?<br>
** All of this is waiting for you at <a href="http://JonathansCorner.com">http://JonathansCorner.com</a>

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