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#1: tedd"s Friday Post ($ per line)

Posted on 2010-10-07 19:20:02 by TedD

Hi gang:

Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers
work was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work
done.

The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a
programmer for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted
to be paid for the work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone
had done anything wrong, but rather a circumstance where two parties
were trying to figure out who was due what.

You see, the original client had been taken over by another company
who put a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new
company claimed that because the project wasn't finished, then the
programmer should pay back all the money he was paid up-front to
start the project. However, while the project had not been finished,
the programmer had indeed worked on the project for several months.

The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new
client stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid
and not an hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do.

The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual
"lines of code" the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all
of programmers code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote
and then agreed to a specific dollar amount to each line. In this
case, the programmer had written over 25,000 lines of code. What do
you think he was paid?

And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your
"line of code"?

Cheers,

tedd

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#2: Re: tedd"s Friday Post ($ per line)

Posted on 2010-10-07 19:24:00 by Phpster

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:20 PM, tedd <tedd.sperling@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi gang:
>
> Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers work
> was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work done.
>
> The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a programmer
> for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted to be paid for the
> work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone had done anything wrong,
> but rather a circumstance where two parties were trying to figure out who
> was due what.
>
> You see, the original client had been taken over by another company who put
> a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new company claimed
> that because the project wasn't finished, then the programmer should pay
> back all the money he was paid up-front to start the project. However, while
> the project had not been finished, the programmer had indeed worked on the
> project for several months.
>
> The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new client
> stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid and not an
> hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do.
>
> The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual "lines
> of code" the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all of programmers
> code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote and then agreed to a
> specific dollar amount to each line. In this case, the programmer had
> written over 25,000 lines of code. What do you think he was paid?
>
> And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your "line
> of code"?
>
> Cheers,
>
> tedd
>
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I bet it wasn't much., $.10 (ten cents) per line?



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#3: Re: tedd"s Friday Post ($ per line)

Posted on 2010-10-07 19:24:32 by Robert Cummings

On 10-10-07 01:20 PM, tedd wrote:
> Hi gang:
>
> Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers
> work was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work
> done.
>
> The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a
> programmer for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted
> to be paid for the work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone
> had done anything wrong, but rather a circumstance where two parties
> were trying to figure out who was due what.
>
> You see, the original client had been taken over by another company
> who put a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new
> company claimed that because the project wasn't finished, then the
> programmer should pay back all the money he was paid up-front to
> start the project. However, while the project had not been finished,
> the programmer had indeed worked on the project for several months.
>
> The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new
> client stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid
> and not an hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do.
>
> The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual
> "lines of code" the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all
> of programmers code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote
> and then agreed to a specific dollar amount to each line. In this
> case, the programmer had written over 25,000 lines of code. What do
> you think he was paid?
>
> And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your
> "line of code"?

This is a poor system for evaluation. Some lines are worth MUCH, MUCH
more than others.

Cheers,
Rob.
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#4: Re: tedd"s Friday Post ($ per line)

Posted on 2010-10-07 19:27:48 by Joshua Kehn

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I'm not sure this is even worth answering.

The question isn't how many lines of code were written but percentage of =
the project completed. If he estimated 8 months, worked for 4 months, =
and was 50% done, he should get half his estimate. Hourly rates wouldn't =
come into it unless the client thought it would be cheaper to simply pay =
him for his time rather then the bid.=20

Subject the following to my poor legal knowledge:

I would also guess that if he was under contract with a company to =
provide a product for a set dollar amount then wouldn't the company be =
forced to complete it's half so to speak?

Regards,

-Josh
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On Oct 7, 2010, at 1:20 PM, tedd wrote:

> Hi gang:
>=20
> Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers =
work was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work done.
>=20
> The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a =
programmer for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted to =
be paid for the work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone had =
done anything wrong, but rather a circumstance where two parties were =
trying to figure out who was due what.
>=20
> You see, the original client had been taken over by another company =
who put a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new =
company claimed that because the project wasn't finished, then the =
programmer should pay back all the money he was paid up-front to start =
the project. However, while the project had not been finished, the =
programmer had indeed worked on the project for several months.
>=20
> The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new =
client stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid and =
not an hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do.
>=20
> The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual =
"lines of code" the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all of =
programmers code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote and =
then agreed to a specific dollar amount to each line. In this case, the =
programmer had written over 25,000 lines of code. What do you think he =
was paid?
>=20
> And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your =
"line of code"?
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> tedd
>=20
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#5: Re: tedd"s Friday Post ($ per line)

Posted on 2010-10-07 19:30:01 by daniel.brown

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 13:20, tedd <tedd.sperling@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi gang:

Hi, Tedd!

What's it like over there in Australia, where it's already Friday? ;-P

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#6: Re: tedd"s Friday Post ($ per line)

Posted on 2010-10-07 19:39:33 by TedD

At 1:30 PM -0400 10/7/10, Daniel P. Brown wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 13:20, tedd <tedd.sperling@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi gang:
>
> Hi, Tedd!
>
> What's it like over there in Australia, where it's already Friday? ;-P
>
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LOL

I'm sorry -- I seldom know what day it is. I honestly thought it was
Friday. So much for me knowing what's going on, huh? That's one of
the dangers of working for yourself, you seldom realize what day
today is.

When I used to visit the mall (I don't now), some days I would say
"Gee, it's really crowded today" and my wife would answer "Certainly,
it's Saturday."

Cheers,

tedd

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