The Perl Review, Summer 2005

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Issue 1.3, Summer 2005

* Programming Glade in Perl - Grant McLean

* Array Anti-Patterns - Alberto Manuel Simões

* Test::Random - David Golden

* Serious Perl - Henning Koch

* The pVoice Project - Jim Brandt

plus Perl News, Perl Mongers and Perl Foundation reports, book
reviews, short notes, and more.

You can also read a interview with Mark Jason Dominus, author of Higher
Order Perl, for free on our website:

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Issue 1.2, Spring 2005

* Hashes with History -- Alberto Manuel Simões

* Test::Number::Delta -- David Golden

* 9-Block Quilt Patterns in Perl -- Daniel Allen

* Packet Sniffing with Perl -- Gerry Finkel

plus Perl News, Perl Mongers and Perl Foundation reports, book
reviews, short notes, and more.

Issue 1.1, Winter 2004

* Down Translating XML -- Alberto Manuel Simões

* Module::Release and Beyond -- brian d foy

* Functional Perl Programming -- Frank Antonsen

* Faking Stored Procedures -- Zach Thompson

plus Perl News, Perl Mongers and Perl Foundation reports, book
reviews, and short notes.

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as a PDF file, and some back issues are available.

* Test Driven Development -- Denis Kosykh

* Just do{} it -- brian d foy

* Extending XML::XPath -- Michel Rodriguez

* Test::More in 20 Seconds -- brian d foy

* Magick Tile Puzzles -- Grant McLean

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Re: The Perl Review, Summer 2005

brian d foy wrote:

> Prices: $16 in the US, $30 outside the US. Web only subscriptions
> are $16. If we can get enough subscribers in the European Union, we'll
> start printing there too and lower the cost. If you like, you can
> start your subscription with the Winter 2004 issue and save money
> by not having to buy the back issue later.

I just wonder how many people will perceive this as a commercial message...


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Re: The Perl Review, Summer 2005

brian d foy wrote:

> Prices: $16 in the US, $30 outside the US. Web only subscriptions
> are $16. If we can get enough subscribers in the European Union, we'll
> start printing there too and lower the cost. If you like, you can
> start your subscription with the Winter 2004 issue and save money
> by not having to buy the back issue later.

I just wonder how many people will perceive this as a commercial message...


--
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Perl programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
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Re: The Perl Review, Summer 2005

John Bokma wrote:

>
> I just wonder how many people will perceive this as a commercial
> message...

Yes, advertising yourself as a programmer for hire is a commercial message.

> John                   Small Perl scrip ts: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
> Perl programmer available:     http://castleamber.com /
> Happy Customers: http://castleamber.com/testimonials.html

But then, most spammers dont draw attention to themselves.

gtoomey

Re: The Perl Review, Summer 2005

John Bokma wrote:

>
> I just wonder how many people will perceive this as a commercial
> message...

Yes, advertising yourself as a programmer for hire is a commercial message.

> John                   Small Perl scrip ts: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
> Perl programmer available:     http://castleamber.com /
> Happy Customers: http://castleamber.com/testimonials.html

But then, most spammers dont draw attention to themselves.

gtoomey

Re: The Perl Review, Summer 2005

Gregory Toomey wrote:

> John Bokma wrote:
>
>>
>> I just wonder how many people will perceive this as a commercial
>> message...
>
> Yes, advertising yourself as a programmer for hire is a commercial
> message.

If you consider a signature advertising, do yourself, and maybe the entire
Usenet community a favour, read the netiquette carefully.

clueless n00b.

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Re: The Perl Review, Summer 2005

Gregory Toomey wrote:

> John Bokma wrote:
>
>>
>> I just wonder how many people will perceive this as a commercial
>> message...
>
> Yes, advertising yourself as a programmer for hire is a commercial
> message.

If you consider a signature advertising, do yourself, and maybe the entire
Usenet community a favour, read the netiquette carefully.

clueless n00b.

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Re: The Perl Review, Summer 2005

Gregory Toomey wrote:

> But then, most spammers dont draw attention to themselves.

I wonder how happy bigpond.com is with you using nospam@ as a drop box.

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Re: The Perl Review, Summer 2005

Gregory Toomey wrote:

> But then, most spammers dont draw attention to themselves.

I wonder how happy bigpond.com is with you using nospam@ as a drop box.

--
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Re: The Perl Review, Summer 2005

In article , John Bokma
wrote:

> brian d foy wrote:
>
> > Prices: $16 in the US, $30 outside the US. Web only subscriptions
> > are $16. If we can get enough subscribers in the European Union, we'll
> > start printing there too and lower the cost.

> I just wonder how many people will perceive this as a commercial message...


People may perceive that, but this is really a community project. I'd
love to give it away from free, it it actually incurs costs, and I only
charge what I need to pay the bills. No one gets any money for their
work on TPR.

I did think about this issue quite a bit though, and I'm completely
aware on the non-commercial nature of usenet. However, Jon Orwant had
the same sort of advertisements for TPJ during its time and it didn't
seem to be a problem. It also wasn't a problem for the two years we did
PDF-only issues and gave them away for free.

At most, you'll see four of these messages a year, and I'm only sending
them to two groups. In each group, I have a long posting history
(although I've been less frequent lately) and have given quite a bit
of free time to helping others. I think that might let those four
messages a year squeak by. :)

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Re: The Perl Review, Summer 2005

In article , John Bokma
wrote:

> brian d foy wrote:
>
> > Prices: $16 in the US, $30 outside the US. Web only subscriptions
> > are $16. If we can get enough subscribers in the European Union, we'll
> > start printing there too and lower the cost.

> I just wonder how many people will perceive this as a commercial message...


People may perceive that, but this is really a community project. I'd
love to give it away from free, it it actually incurs costs, and I only
charge what I need to pay the bills. No one gets any money for their
work on TPR.

I did think about this issue quite a bit though, and I'm completely
aware on the non-commercial nature of usenet. However, Jon Orwant had
the same sort of advertisements for TPJ during its time and it didn't
seem to be a problem. It also wasn't a problem for the two years we did
PDF-only issues and gave them away for free.

At most, you'll see four of these messages a year, and I'm only sending
them to two groups. In each group, I have a long posting history
(although I've been less frequent lately) and have given quite a bit
of free time to helping others. I think that might let those four
messages a year squeak by. :)

--
brian d foy, comdog@panix.com
Subscribe to The Perl Review: http://www.theperlreview.com

Re: The Perl Review, Summer 2005

In article ,
John Bokma wrote:
>Gregory Toomey wrote:
>
>> John Bokma wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I just wonder how many people will perceive this as a commercial
>>> message...

Just how the heck are to find out that such a resource
even EXISTS, if not through here?

Plus, at least in this case, the "vendor" is a person
who has contributed GREATLY to THIS VERY NEWSGROUP!

Not only that, but his (foy's) post is about a means
to LEARN MORE about perl -- if that isn't of interest
to most (all?) readers of this group, then I don't
know what is!

I myself would like to see MORE such posts, of eg
especially conferences (non-free, thus "commercial") and books.


David

Re: The Perl Review, Summer 2005

In article ,
John Bokma wrote:
>Gregory Toomey wrote:
>
>> John Bokma wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I just wonder how many people will perceive this as a commercial
>>> message...

Just how the heck are to find out that such a resource
even EXISTS, if not through here?

Plus, at least in this case, the "vendor" is a person
who has contributed GREATLY to THIS VERY NEWSGROUP!

Not only that, but his (foy's) post is about a means
to LEARN MORE about perl -- if that isn't of interest
to most (all?) readers of this group, then I don't
know what is!

I myself would like to see MORE such posts, of eg
especially conferences (non-free, thus "commercial") and books.


David

Re: The Perl Review, Summer 2005

In article <090520051650391392%comdog@panix.com>,
brian d foy wrote:
>In article , John Bokma
> wrote:
>
>> brian d foy wrote:
>>
>> > Prices: $16 in the US, $30 outside the US. Web only subscriptions
>> > are $16. If we can get enough subscribers in the European Union, we'll
>> > start printing there too and lower the cost.
>
>> I just wonder how many people will perceive this as a commercial message...
>
>

Over at comp.lang.lisp, one guy has talked at length
about his book, "Practical Common Lisp", and no one, as far
as I can tell, has complained.

(Well, he did post various versions of it on-line.)

Over at comp.unix.solaris, one guy has written, and talked
about at length, his book on programming to Solaris. Again,
no complaints that I've seen. (And, as far as I know, in
this case it is available only via getting from a publisher,
for money.)


In my opinion, the ends justifies the means -- *if* the
ends are of benefit to at least a substantial part
of a group's readership.

David

Re: The Perl Review, Summer 2005

In article <090520051650391392%comdog@panix.com>,
brian d foy wrote:
>In article , John Bokma
> wrote:
>
>> brian d foy wrote:
>>
>> > Prices: $16 in the US, $30 outside the US. Web only subscriptions
>> > are $16. If we can get enough subscribers in the European Union, we'll
>> > start printing there too and lower the cost.
>
>> I just wonder how many people will perceive this as a commercial message...
>
>

Over at comp.lang.lisp, one guy has talked at length
about his book, "Practical Common Lisp", and no one, as far
as I can tell, has complained.

(Well, he did post various versions of it on-line.)

Over at comp.unix.solaris, one guy has written, and talked
about at length, his book on programming to Solaris. Again,
no complaints that I've seen. (And, as far as I know, in
this case it is available only via getting from a publisher,
for money.)


In my opinion, the ends justifies the means -- *if* the
ends are of benefit to at least a substantial part
of a group's readership.

David