Are Gmail accounts limited to one per person ?

Is it true that Google doesn't want any one person to have
more than one Gmail account, and has cancelled the accounts
of anyone discovered to have more than one account?

If this is true, how would Google find out?
After all, two accounts using the same IP address is not conclusive
that they're the same person. Most households have only one Internet
access line (and therefore one IP address), shared by everyone
in that household, each them entitled to their own personal Gmail
account.

Re: Are Gmail accounts limited to one per person ?

On comp.mail.misc, in
<1117015937.458957.310980@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"wylbur37" wrote:

> Is it true that Google doesn't want any one person to have
> more than one Gmail account, and has cancelled the accounts of
> anyone discovered to have more than one account?
>
> If this is true, how would Google find out? After all, two
> accounts using the same IP address is not conclusive that
> they're the same person. Most households have only one Internet
> access line (and therefore one IP address), shared by everyone
> in that household, each them entitled to their own personal
> Gmail account.
>

No one is _entitled_ to a gmail account. They can give them
to anyone they choose and withhold them from anyone they
choose.

A person is already getting a FREE account with tons of
storage and many advanced features.

To try to cheat them is just slimeball in the extreme.

As for determining that the same person has more than one
account?

You are accessing a webserver to use your account, and
that server logs whatever they want it to log, and can
even get your username, etc., from your OS. I'd imagine
that it would be a lot MORE information from a Windows
box.

So they have a little script running that compares the
addresses each account on a particular IP sends and/or
receives mail from. Too many similarities and you are
busted. Doesn't have to be from the same IP. Just the
same place. They can pin that down with a variety of
software. Not a physical place, but an _electronic_
place on the phone or cable systems. Those electronic
places all exist in real space too: Junction boxes and
switching centers and the like.

They can also measure the amount of time it takes a
packet to get to a particular IP (interface) compared
to that of one nearby in a known location.

Trolls have very predictable patterns of behavior. As
I refer to above, they always send mail/news/web-posts/
IRC input...from multiple aliases/servers/addresses to
the SAME places, and the above script is but one that
is guaranteed to catch them out.

They really aren't very bright. That's why they
regularly vanish for long periods when they cross
the line. They THINK they are really clever, but the
netadmins know who they are almost effortlessly, and
can pick them off whenever they choose, letting all of
the other netadmins know who it was they aced. They
have shared databases that are not open to the public.

Yes. They know who you are. Your name, address, phone
number, just for starters. They know all or most of
your aliases. And will soon know any new ones.

You forget: They CONTROL those servers and
routers. They have full access to logs that THEY create
and the control of the businessmen who think they run
them is minimal. Those suits don't know shit about
computers.

AC


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Re: Are Gmail accounts limited to one per person ?

Alan Connor wrote:
> No one is _entitled_ to a gmail account. They can give them
> to anyone they choose and withhold them from anyone they
> choose.
> A person is already getting a FREE account with tons of
> storage and many advanced features.

No disagreement there.

> To try to cheat them is just slimeball in the extreme.

If someone were giving out free apples, and everyone who wanted one
had already gotten one, and there were a bunch left over that would
go to waste anyway, what would be so bad about taking a second apple
under those circumstances?

Isn't that the current situation with Gmail accounts? When Gmail was
first released, there were far more people who wanted one than were
available.
But eventually, people were dumping their invites at places like
isnoop.net.
So if all these invites are sitting around unused anyway, what's so
terrible
about someone having a second account, especially if they're not doing
anything abusive with it?

Re: Are Gmail accounts limited to one per person ?

> You are accessing a webserver to use your account, and
> that server logs whatever they want it to log, and can
> even get your username, etc., from your OS. I'd imagine
> that it would be a lot MORE information from a Windows
> box.
>
> So they have a little script running that compares the
> addresses each account on a particular IP sends and/or
> receives mail from. Too many similarities and you are
> busted. Doesn't have to be from the same IP. Just the
> same place. They can pin that down with a variety of
> software. Not a physical place, but an _electronic_
> place on the phone or cable systems. Those electronic
> places all exist in real space too: Junction boxes and
> switching centers and the like.
>
> They can also measure the amount of time it takes a
> packet to get to a particular IP (interface) compared
> to that of one nearby in a known location.
>
> Trolls have very predictable patterns of behavior. As
> I refer to above, they always send mail/news/web-posts/
> IRC input...from multiple aliases/servers/addresses to
> the SAME places, and the above script is but one that
> is guaranteed to catch them out.
>
> They really aren't very bright. That's why they
> regularly vanish for long periods when they cross
> the line. They THINK they are really clever, but the
> netadmins know who they are almost effortlessly, and
> can pick them off whenever they choose, letting all of
> the other netadmins know who it was they aced. They
> have shared databases that are not open to the public.
>
> Yes. They know who you are. Your name, address, phone
> number, just for starters. They know all or most of
> your aliases. And will soon know any new ones.
>
> You forget: They CONTROL those servers and
> routers. They have full access to logs that THEY create
> and the control of the businessmen who think they run
> them is minimal. Those suits don't know shit about
> computers.
>
You are a kook. For those of you who live in reality the fact is that
your IP address can be traced back to your ISP trivially easily.
However to actually find out who and where you are they would have to
successfuly subpoena your ISP in court for their logs and your customer
account details. This is how the music industry spies trace back
alleged 'pirates' to the point where they can file a lawsuit against a
named individual living at a particular address. Unless you work for
the CIA tapping telephone junction boxes, analysis of net-wide
'behaviour patterns' and secret 'netadmin' (whoever they are?)
databases are the stuff of spy fiction novels and kooks like the
previous poster.

The long and the short of it is:
1) google gives these things away for free anyway
2) the cost of trying to setup a system to catch 2 people using the
same account would far outweigh any advertising revenue they get from
the service while simultaneously providing absolutely no cost savings -
after all if 2 ppl use the same account its still limited to 2GB or
whatever just like all the other accounts.

Re: Are Gmail accounts limited to one per person ?

On comp.mail.misc, in
<1117023971.399778.29930@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"wylbur37" wrote:

> Alan Connor wrote:
>
>> No one is _entitled_ to a gmail account. They can give them
>> to anyone they choose and withhold them from anyone they
>> choose. A person is already getting a FREE account with tons
>> of storage and many advanced features.
>
> No disagreement there.
>
>> To try to cheat them is just slimeball in the extreme.
>
> If someone were giving out free apples, and everyone who wanted
> one had already gotten one, and there were a bunch left over
> that would go to waste anyway, what would be so bad about
> taking a second apple under those circumstances?
>

That's not for anyone but google to decide.

And now you are doing an about-face. You obviously DO disagree.

> Isn't that the current situation with Gmail accounts? When
> Gmail was first released, there were far more people who wanted
> one than were available. But eventually, people were dumping
> their invites at places like isnoop.net. So if all these
> invites are sitting around unused anyway, what's so terrible
> about someone having a second account, especially if they're
> not doing anything abusive with it?
>

Ibid.

If you aren't using the other chair in your living room, what's
wrong with someone just walking in off the street and sitting
there?

After all, YOU aren't using it, and they aren't abusing it...

How about that car of yours? You aren't using it right now,
you are at your computer....

If you can't do it up front, notifiying google, then
you are a petty criminal. Playing word games like a
slimeball politician doesn't change anything.

From what I know about you already, I'd think twice
about letting you in my home. You are obviously capable
of rationalizing away other people's property rights
with great ease. Bet you steal your employer blind.
After all, he/she/they are not paying you what you are
really worth, right? And they can certainly spare the
relatively tiny percentage of their net worth you pilfer,
right?

And I'll bet that if someone took liberties with YOUR
property, that your righteous outrage would know no
bounds.

AC

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Re: Are Gmail accounts limited to one per person ?

Just to correct my last post the cost of implementing a system to
reliably catch someone using 2 (or more) accounts would far outweigh
any advertising revenue they got from the service and provide no real
benefit considering that they give away x million of the damn things
free anyway, even if all the kookery Alan Connor went on with was real.

I misread the post slightly thinking you were talking about 2 ppl using
the one account.

Re: Are Gmail accounts limited to one per person ?

On 25 May 2005 03:12:17 -0700, wylbur37 wrote:

> Is it true that Google doesn't want any one person to have
> more than one Gmail account, and has cancelled the accounts
> of anyone discovered to have more than one account?

I have no idea. What does the AUP/TOS say?

--
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~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

Re: Are Gmail accounts limited to one per person ?

On comp.mail.misc, in
<1117027799.554148.164900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"tkedwards@optusnet.com.au" wrote:

> Just to correct my last post the cost of implementing a system
> to reliably catch someone using 2 (or more) accounts would far
> outweigh any advertising revenue they got from the service
> and provide no real benefit considering that they give away x
> million of the damn things free anyway, even if all the kookery
> Alan Connor went on with was real.
>
> I misread the post slightly thinking you were talking about 2
> ppl using the one account.
>

"kookery" eh? I don't believe I will bother reading your
other post.

But once again we see how ignorant people stay ignorant.

That other post that seems to be from me, isn't.

Although I am sure it fooled you.

(Take a look at the headers.)

It's from a troll who is angry with me because I keep
kicking its sorry but and it can't get its crap into
my mailboxes or get me to read its posts, regardless
of which of its hundreds of aliases it is using at
the moment.

I didn't read that post nor any others on this thread.

Have a day.

AC


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Beavis writes:

> On comp.mail.misc, in
> <1117027799.554148.164900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "tkedwards@optusnet.com.au" wrote:
>
>> I misread the post slightly thinking you were talking about 2
>> ppl using the one account.
>
> "kookery" eh? I don't believe I will bother reading your
> other post.

I'm sure that his heart will be crushed to hear that Beavis won't allegedly
read his other message.

> But once again we see how ignorant people stay ignorant.

You never fail to remind us, Beavis.

> That other post that seems to be from me, isn't.

Ok, I'll take your word for it. Would you be kind enough to tell us if you
wrote the following posts:

http://tinyurl.com/6dkxn - Beavis meets Bigfoot.

http://tinyurl.com/4otkh - Beavis gets kidnapped and molested by Xena, the
Warrior Princess.

http://tinyurl.com/ifrt - Beavis figures out who wrote all those Microsoft=C2=
=A9
ActiveVirusâ„=A2es.

http://tinyurl.com/2hhdx - Beavis joins a UFO cult.

http://tinyurl.com/24jqm - Life in Beavis's UFO cult.

http://tinyurl.com/3h6a5 - Beavis performs dental surgery.

http://tinyurl.com/ys6z4 - Beavis demonstrates all the skills he personally
learned from Kevin Mitnick.

http://tinyurl.com/5qqb6 - Beavis's expert recommendation for secure logins
over a network.

> Although I am sure it fooled you.

You did? You mean, we were completely wrong about you being a raving mental=

case?

> (Take a look at the headers.)

Ok, I'm looking at them. Now what?

> It's from a troll who is angry with me because I keep
> kicking its sorry but and it can't get its crap into
> my mailboxes or get me to read its posts, regardless
> of which of its hundreds of aliases it is using at
> the moment.

FAQ question #5, below.

> I didn't read that post nor any others on this thread.

FAQ question #6, below.

Also, Beavis, would you mind explaining how you managed to squirt out a
reply in this thread, if you allegedly haven't read it?

> Have a day.

Ok, it's a very nice day. Thank you.

> AC


FAQ: Canonical list of questions Beavis refuses to answer (V1.20)

This is a canonical list of questions that Beavis never answers. This FAQ is=

posted on a semi-regular schedule, as circumstances warrant.

For more information on Beavis, see:

http://angel.1jh.com/nanae/kooks/alanconnor.shtml

Although Beavis has been posting for a long time, he always remains silent
on the subjects enumerated below. His response, if any, usually consists of=

replying to the parent post with a loud proclamation that his Usenet-reading=

software runs a magical filter that automatically identifies anyone who's
making fun of him, and hides those offensive posts. For more information
see question #9 below.

==================== =======
==================== =======
==================== ====

1) If spammers avoid forging real E-mail addresses on spam, then where do
all these bounces everyone reports getting (for spam with their return
address was forged onto) come from?

2) If your Challenge-Response filter is so great, why do you still munge
when posting to Usenet?

3) Do you still believe that rsh is the best solution for remote access?
(http://tinyurl.com/5qqb6)

4) What is your evidence that everyone who disagrees with you, and thinks
that you're a moron, is a spammer?

5) How many different individuals do you believe really post to
comp.mail.misc? What is the evidence for your paranoid belief that everyone,=

except you, who posts here is some unknown arch-nemesis of yours?

6) How many times, or how often, do you believe is necessary to announce
that you do not read someone's posts? What is your reason for making these
regularly-scheduled proclamations? Who do you believe is so interested in
keeping track of your Usenet-reading habits?

7) When was the last time you saw Bigfoot (http://tinyurl.com/23r3f)?

8) If your C-R system employs a spam filter so that it won't challenge spam,=

then why does any of the mail that passes the filter, and is thusly presumed=

not to be spam, need to be challenged?

9) You claim that the software you use to read Usenet magically identifies
any post that makes fun of you. In http://tinyurl.com/3swes you explain
that "What I get in my newsreader is a mock post with fake headers and no
body, except for the first parts of the Subject and From headers."

Since your headers indicate that you use slrn and, as far as anyone knows,
the stock slrn doesn't work that way, is this interesting patch to slrn
available for download anywhere?

10) You regularly post alleged logs of your procmail recipe autodeleting a
bunch of irrelevant mail that you've received. Why, and who exactly do you
believe is interested in your mail logs?

11) How exactly do you "enforce" an "order" to stay out of your mailbox,
supposedly (http://tinyurl.com/cs8jt)? Since you issue this "order" about
every week, or so, apparently nobody wants to follow it. What are you going
to do about it?

12) What's with your fascination with shit? (also http://tinyurl.com/cs8jt)?


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Re: Are Gmail accounts limited to one per person ?

There are many legitimate reasons to have more than one email account. I
have three with gmail. No issues.

-Frank

"wylbur37" wrote in message
news:1117015937.458957.310980@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com.. .
> Is it true that Google doesn't want any one person to have
> more than one Gmail account, and has cancelled the accounts
> of anyone discovered to have more than one account?
>
> If this is true, how would Google find out?
> After all, two accounts using the same IP address is not conclusive
> that they're the same person. Most households have only one Internet
> access line (and therefore one IP address), shared by everyone
> in that household, each them entitled to their own personal Gmail
> account.
>