How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 05.07.2005 23:48:57 von Flavius Vespasianus

Some spammer is using my e-mail address as the return address for his mass
mailings for "bump and dump" scams.

Some days I get hit with thousands of rejected e-mails.

I would "sue the bastard" for common law passing off if I could identify
him.

What, from a technical perspective, would I need to do to track down the
spammer?

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 06.07.2005 00:16:44 von Sam

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 06.07.2005 01:15:45 von Flavius Vespasianus

Sam wrote in
news:cone.1120601805.756594.28936.500@commodore.email-scan.c om:

> Flavius Vespasianus writes:
>

> Several years ago the SEC did have some success in chasing down and
> prosecuting the pumpers, but for technical violations only: they were
> not disclosing the fact that they own a good chunk of the float, and
> stand to benefit from a dump at pumped prices. Since then, the
> pumpers wisened up and began appending disclaimers to their spams.

I was wondering if there is any way to trace the e-mails back to their
sources, even if it required subpoenas to do it. I would prefer to bring
the action in state court in front of a home-town jury.

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 06.07.2005 01:35:44 von Alan Connor

On comp.mail.misc, in
, "Flavius
Vespasianus" wrote:

> Some spammer is using my e-mail address as the return address
> for his mass mailings for "bump and dump" scams.
>
> Some days I get hit with thousands of rejected e-mails.
>
> I would "sue the bastard" for common law passing off if I could
> identify him.
>
> What, from a technical perspective, would I need to do to track
> down the spammer?

You could start by posting a selection of the bounces you have
received, all from different domains, without the actual
bounced body. About 6 of them will do.

That way we can see if you are telling the truth or are just
another spammer looking for tips on how to avoid being tracked
down.

AC

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Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 06.07.2005 02:49:47 von Sam

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 06.07.2005 02:52:01 von Sam

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 06.07.2005 03:44:25 von Flavius Vespasianus

Sam wrote in
news:cone.1120610990.890325.28936.500@commodore.email-scan.c om:

> Flavius Vespasianus writes:
>
>> Sam wrote in
>> news:cone.1120601805.756594.28936.500@commodore.email-scan.c om:

> And, after you âbring the actionâ, there's absolutely no guarantee
> that a subpoena will get you anything. It may. But it may not, just
> as well.

And you need to have one named party before adding a John Doe defendant.

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 06.07.2005 04:10:42 von Flavius Vespasianus

Alan Connor wrote in news:kPEye.16773$pa3.14772
@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:

> You could start by posting a selection of the bounces you have
> received, all from different domains, without the actual
> bounced body. About 6 of them will do.

OK, here are a few of the THOUSANDS I have saved (with email addresses
redacted). This latest batch all come from the same message (as shown
below). However, I have many different variations on the same theme. A
few mention GEM, Inc. others do not.

P.S. If you invested in NDIN.PK, the first stock "I" recommended to the
public in June, you've lost HALF of your investment.

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Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 06.07.2005 04:58:23 von Alan Connor

On comp.mail.misc, in
,
"Flavius Vespasianus" wrote:

> Alan Connor wrote in
> news:kPEye.16773$pa3.14772 @newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
>
>> You could start by posting a selection of the bounces you
>> have received, all from different domains, without the actual
>> bounced body. About 6 of them will do.
>
> OK, here are a few of the THOUSANDS I have saved (with email
> addresses redacted). This latest batch all come from the same
> message (as shown below). However, I have many different
> variations on the same theme. A few mention GEM, Inc. others do
> not.
>
> P.S. If you invested in NDIN.PK, the first stock "I"
> recommended to the public in June, you've lost HALF of your
> investment.
>
>

Funny.

You run your MTA with root permissions?

How are we supposed to check the validity of those out with
the email addresses altered (rather than munged)?

Assuming they are valid, just have your filter dump any
bounces from addresses 'you' haven't mailed. Or change 'your'
address(es).

What else do you think you can do? Track down the spammer and
pummel him and hold him until the sheriff arrives?

I don't read the posts of "Sam" or any of his sockpuppets,
not even the subjects, which are changed to XXXXXXX before
reaching my newsreader. Same for any replies to them.

AC

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Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 06.07.2005 05:02:07 von Steve Baker

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 23:35:44 GMT, Alan Connor wrote:

>You could start by posting a selection of the bounces you have
>received, all from different domains, without the actual
>bounced body. About 6 of them will do.
>
>That way we can see if you are telling the truth or are just
>another spammer looking for tips on how to avoid being tracked
>down.

Beavis (aka Alan Connor) is religious in his belief that C/R
(challenge/response) is the ultimate in managing an email account.
Since a Challenge is, in effect, the same thing as a bounce, he doesn't
like it when people talk about receiving a lot of bounces as a result
of spammer forgery. It's an affront to his religion, because one of the
tenants of his religion is that spammers don't forge real addresses in
spam. He won't admit that Challenges can be abusive email, and he now
hates your guts (he's crazy) for having first hand info that his
religion is bogus.

I certainly believe you. There's probably nothing you can do about
what has happened to you. But if you want to get some comic relief out
of this, go ahead and post some of the bounces. I predict that Beavis'
comments will be jaw-dropping.

Steve Baker

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 06.07.2005 06:41:05 von Steve Baker

On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 02:58:23 GMT, Alan Connor wrote:

>Funny.
>
>You run your MTA with root permissions?

Beavis wanted the *bounces* not the original spams. Now you have him
all confused, but he still knows that you're a heathen.

>How are we supposed to check the validity of those out with
>the email addresses altered (rather than munged)?

Beavis thinks you're up to something. Actually, he *knows* you must
be up to something, because, according to his religion, spammers don't
forge legit addresses in spam.

>Assuming they are valid, just have your filter dump any
>bounces from addresses 'you' haven't mailed. Or change 'your'
>address(es).

It would be very interesting to see Beavis' reaction if he started
getting thousands of bounces. I think he'd freak out and start babbling
about "Sam". As it is, he regularly posts some sort of log about the
routine spam his filter sends to dev/null, he thinks it's a big deal,
or something.

>What else do you think you can do? Track down the spammer and
>pummel him and hold him until the sheriff arrives?

Beavis seems to be admitting that spammers do forge the addresses of
actual email users. His meds must have just kicked in.

>I don't read the posts of "Sam" or any of his sockpuppets,
>not even the subjects, which are changed to XXXXXXX before
>reaching my newsreader. Same for any replies to them.

Like I said, Beavis is crazy. He thinks I'm Sam. He thinks everyone
who doesn't agree with him is "Sam". Basically, the only non-Sam
posters here are new to the group.

Steve Baker

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 06.07.2005 06:57:19 von DFS

Flavius Vespasianus wrote:

> What, from a technical perspective, would I need to do to track down the
> spammer?

Lots of money.

"Joe-Jobbing" happens all the time, and to large companies too (like IBM.)
They don't bother going after anyone but the most egregious offender, because
it's too expensive.

Regards,

David.

FAQ: Canonical list of questions Beavis refuses to answer (V1.40) (was Re: How Can I Track Do

am 06.07.2005 14:15:22 von Sam

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Usenet Beavis writes:

> Funny.
>
> You run your MTA with root permissions?

Itsy-Bitsy Beavis logged on, and had a cow.
Then came the laughter and all the jokes abound.
Everyone was laughing at Beavis having a fit.
Itsy-Bitsy Beavis, he's always full of shit.

> How are we supposed to check the validity of those out with
> the email addresses altered (rather than munged)?

Who cares, Beavis?

> Assuming they are valid, just have your filter dump any
> bounces from addresses 'you' haven't mailed. Or change 'your'
> address(es).

Beavis, would you mind posting a procmail recipe that does something like
this? Consider it a mental excersize.

> What else do you think you can do? Track down the spammer and
> pummel him and hold him until the sheriff arrives?

How about getting Bigfoot to take care of him, Beavis?

> I don't read the posts of "Sam" or any of his sockpuppets,

Beavis FAQ #5 and #6.

> not even the subjects, which are changed to XXXXXXX before
> reaching my newsreader. Same for any replies to them.

That's a very interesting patch to slrn, Beavis. Would you mind posting a
link where we can download it?

FAQ: Canonical list of questions Beavis refuses to answer (V1.40)

This is a canonical list of questions that Beavis never answers. This FAQ is
posted on a semi-regular schedule, as circumstances warrant.

For more information on Beavis, see:

http://angel.1jh.com/nanae/kooks/alanconnor.shtml

Although Beavis has been posting for a long time, he always remains silent
on the subjects enumerated below. His response, if any, usually consists of
replying to the parent post with a loud proclamation that his Usenet-reading
software runs a magical filter that automatically identifies anyone who's
making fun of him, and hides those offensive posts. For more information
see question #9 below.

============================================================ ================

1) If spammers avoid forging real E-mail addresses on spam, then where do
all these bounces everyone reports getting (for spam with their return
address was forged onto) come from?

2) If your Challenge-Response filter is so great, why do you still munge
when posting to Usenet?

3) Do you still believe that rsh is the best solution for remote access?
(http://tinyurl.com/5qqb6)

4) What is your evidence that everyone who disagrees with you, and thinks
that you're a moron, is a spammer?

5) How many different individuals do you believe really post to
comp.mail.misc? What is the evidence for your paranoid belief that everyone,
except you, who posts here is some unknown arch-nemesis of yours?

6) How many times, or how often, do you believe is necessary to announce
that you do not read someone's posts? What is your reason for making these
regularly-scheduled proclamations? Who do you believe is so interested in
keeping track of your Usenet-reading habits?

7) When was the last time you saw Bigfoot (http://tinyurl.com/23r3f)?

8) If your C-R system employs a spam filter so that it won't challenge spam,
then why does any of the mail that passes the filter, and is thusly presumed
not to be spam, need to be challenged?

9) You claim that the software you use to read Usenet magically identifies
any post that makes fun of you. In http://tinyurl.com/3swes you explain
that "What I get in my newsreader is a mock post with fake headers and no
body, except for the first parts of the Subject and From headers."

Since your headers indicate that you use slrn and, as far as anyone knows,
the stock slrn doesn't work that way, is this interesting patch to slrn
available for download anywhere?

10) You regularly post alleged logs of your procmail recipe autodeleting a
bunch of irrelevant mail that you've received. Why, and who exactly do you
believe is interested in your mail logs?

11) How exactly do you "enforce" an "order" to stay out of your mailbox,
supposedly (http://tinyurl.com/cs8jt)? Since you issue this "order" about
every week, or so, apparently nobody wants to follow it. What are you going
to do about it?

12) What's with your fascination with shit? (also http://tinyurl.com/cs8jt)?

13) You complain about some arch-nemesis of yours always posting forged
messages in your name. Can you come up with even a single URL, as an example
of what you're talking about?

14) You always complain about some mythical spammers that pretend to be
spamfighters (http://tinyurl.com/br4td). Who exactly are those people, and
can you post a copy of a spam that you supposedly received from them, that
proves that they're really spammers, and not spamfighters?

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Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 06.07.2005 17:06:32 von NetworkElf

On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:41:05 -0400, Steve Baker wrote:
>
> Like I said, Beavis is crazy. He thinks I'm Sam. He thinks everyone
> who doesn't agree with him is "Sam". Basically, the only non-Sam
> posters here are new to the group.

You're not Sam. I am Sam.

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Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 07.07.2005 00:14:57 von Flavius Vespasianus

Flavius Vespasianus wrote in
news:dfDye.4847$aY6.3179@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net:

> Some spammer is using my e-mail address as the return address for his
> mass mailings for "bump and dump" scams.
>
> Some days I get hit with thousands of rejected e-mails.
>
> I would "sue the bastard" for common law passing off if I could
> identify him.
>
> What, from a technical perspective, would I need to do to track down
> the spammer?

A little more info. Some of the latest messages have pointers to the web
site

stock-top.info

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 07.07.2005 00:25:12 von Sam

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 07.07.2005 02:59:19 von Flavius Vespasianus

Sam wrote in
news:cone.1120688714.139935.15329.500@commodore.email-scan.c om:

> Flavius Vespasianus writes:
>
>> Flavius Vespasianus wrote in
>> news:dfDye.4847$aY6.3179@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net:
>>
>>> Some spammer is using my e-mail address as the return address for
>>> his mass mailings for "bump and dump" scams.
>>>
>>> Some days I get hit with thousands of rejected e-mails.
>>>
>>> I would "sue the bastard" for common law passing off if I could
>>> identify him.
>>>
>>> What, from a technical perspective, would I need to do to track down
>>> the spammer?
>>
>> A little more info. Some of the latest messages have pointers to the
>> web site
>>
>> stock-top.info
>
> There's no such web site.

Sorry speling eror.

http://stock-tip.info/

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 07.07.2005 03:36:32 von Sam

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 07.07.2005 05:58:50 von NormanM

On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:06:32 -0000, NetworkElf wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:41:05 -0400, Steve Baker wrote:
>>
>> Like I said, Beavis is crazy. He thinks I'm Sam. He thinks everyone
>> who doesn't agree with him is "Sam". Basically, the only non-Sam
>> posters here are new to the group.
>
> You're not Sam. I am Sam.

Eh? Sam I am; I'm sure I'm Sam!

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 07.07.2005 15:27:01 von Logotu

On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 03:58 +0000, NormanM wrote:
>
> On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:06:32 -0000, NetworkElf wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:41:05 -0400, Steve Baker wrote:
> >>
> >> Like I said, Beavis is crazy. He thinks I'm Sam.
> >
> > You're not Sam. I am Sam.
>
> Eh? Sam I am; I'm sure I'm Sam!
>

I'm Spartacus !

Sam's posts are the only convincing argument I've ever seen for
responding to trolls. When 'Alan Connor' (aka Usenet-Beavis) actually
responds to the questions repeatedly asked of him, maybe we'll see an
end to this. Or maybe someone will just turn up the heat. At the end of
the day, it get's really dark.

I know one thing for sure though. If things don't change around here
soon, they'll stay the same as they are.

Logotu.

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 07.07.2005 16:22:32 von Flavius Vespasianus

Sam wrote in
news:cone.1120700197.39724.15329.500@commodore.email-scan.co m:

>
> You need to examine the contents of the actual spams for more
> information.
>

And what should I be looking for? Is there anything in the e-mail headers?

Re: How Can I Track Down a Spammer?

am 07.07.2005 16:29:11 von Sam