Epiphany Browser Fails

Hi,

Slackware 10.2 Kernel 2.4.31

After upgrading to slackware 10.2 from 10.1 the browser epiphany won't open
and I get the following error message:

Epiphany can't be used now. Mozilla initialization failed.

Checking with google it seems a common problem with apparently no real
solution.

Or does somebody on this list knows one?

Thanks & regards
--
Peter

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Re: Epiphany Browser Fails

At 10/22/2005 10:47 +0800, Peter wrote:
>Slackware 10.2 Kernel 2.4.31
>
>After upgrading to Slackware 10.2 from 10.1 the browser epiphany
>won't open and I get the following error message:
>
>Epiphany can't be used now. Mozilla initialization failed.
>
>Checking with Google it seems a common problem with apparently no
>real solution.
>
>Or does somebody on this list knows one?

It may sound flippant, but:

Contact Slackware support
and/or
contact Epiphany support
and/or
try another browser
and/or
go back to Slackware 10.1
and/or
try another distribution.

--
Jeff Woods

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Re: Epiphany Browser Fails

Jeff Woods wrote:
> At 10/22/2005 10:47 +0800, Peter wrote:
>
>> Slackware 10.2 Kernel 2.4.31
>>
>> After upgrading to Slackware 10.2 from 10.1 the browser epiphany won't
>> open and I get the following error message:
>>
>> Epiphany can't be used now. Mozilla initialization failed.
>>
>> Checking with Google it seems a common problem with apparently no real
>> solution.
>>
>> Or does somebody on this list knows one?

As you kow, I use Debian, not Slackware. So if this is some peculiarity
specific to Slack, I can't help. But the usual reason for this sort of
failure is a broken dependency, and Slackware is about the worst of the
major distros at identifying dependency issues in its package
management. The little bit of checking I did via Google seems to say
that other users, or at least a subset of them, with problems are
hitting dependency issues.

So to figure out what is going on, I would first use ldd to check what
libraries Mozilla uses and if any of them are missing. Or see if Mozilla
itself will start without the Epiphany frontend; if so, it's likely a
version issue between the two packages.

If you post that output and the version numbers of your Mozilla and
Epiphany, I (or someone) may be able to spot a library that needs updating.

All this is just a guess, though.

For now, here's the dependency and version info from Debian-Sid, in case
that is helpful to you:

Package: epiphany-browser
Priority: optional
Section: gnome
Installed-Size: 9072
Maintainer: Jordi Mallach
Architecture: i386
Version: 1.6.5-2
Provides: www-browser
Depends: dbus-1 (>= 0.23.4), dbus-glib-1 (>= 0.23.4), libart-2.0-2 (>=
2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0
(>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1), libgconf2-4 (>=
2.9), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.5.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0),
libgnome-desktop-2 (>= 2.9.91), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0),
libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomevfs2-0
(>= 2.10.0-0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0),
liborbit2 (>= 1:2.10.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.2), libpopt0 (>= 1.7),
libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8-1),
libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1-9), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxml2 (>=
2.6.21), libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.15), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), mozilla-browser
(>= 2:1.7.10), mozilla-psm (>= 2:1.7.10), gnome-icon-theme (>= 2.9.90),
iso-codes, gconf2 (>= 2.10.1-2)
Recommends: yelp, epiphany-extensions
Suggests: mozilla-bonobo
Conflicts: mozilla-browser (>= 2:1.8)

.... and ...

Package: mozilla-browser
Priority: optional
Section: web
Installed-Size: 28059
Maintainer: Takuo KITAME
Architecture: i386
Source: mozilla
Version: 2:1.7.12-1
Replaces: mozilla (<< 1:0.8), mozilla-psm (<< 2:0.9.7-2),
mozilla-mailnews (<< 2:1.5-1), mozilla-xft, mozilla-locale-auto
Provides: www-browser, mozilla-xft
Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libfontconfig1 (>=
2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1), libglib2.0-0
(>= 2.8.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.2), libstdc++6
(>= 4.0.2), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0),
libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxp6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxrender1 (>>
1:0.9.0-1), libxt6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), libnspr4 (=
2:1.7.12-1), debconf (>= 1), psmisc
Recommends: mozilla-psm (= 2:1.7.12-1), myspell-en-us | myspell-dictionary
Suggests: xprt, latex-xft-fonts
Conflicts: mozilla (<< 1:0.8), epiphany-browser (<= 1.2.6-1),
galeon-common (<= 1.3.15-2), kazehakase (<= 0.1.6-1), mozilla-xft,
mozilla-locale-auto

Note particularly the pickiness of Epiphany about wanting a very
specific version of mozilla-browser
Depends: mozilla-browser (>= 2:1.7.10)
Conflicts: mozilla-browser (>= 2:1.8)

> It may sound flippant, but:

It sounds even less kind than that, Jeff. This list exists in large part
because options like "contact technical support" are not available to us
hobbyists and home users who rely on free-as-in-beer versions of Linux.
Peter's is the sort of question that folks here do try to answer.

> Contact Slackware support
> and/or
> contact Epiphany support
> and/or
> try another browser
> and/or
> go back to Slackware 10.1
> and/or
> try another distribution.

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Re: Epiphany Browser Fails

Thanks Ray

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:31:53 -0700
Ray Olszewski wrote:

> > At 10/22/2005 10:47 +0800, Peter wrote:
> >
> >> Slackware 10.2 Kernel 2.4.31
> >>
> >> After upgrading to Slackware 10.2 from 10.1 the browser epiphany won't
> >> open and I get the following error message:
> >>
> >> Epiphany can't be used now. Mozilla initialization failed.
> >>
> >> Checking with Google it seems a common problem with apparently no real
> >> solution.
> >>
> >> Or does somebody on this list knows one?
>
> As you kow, I use Debian, not Slackware. So if this is some peculiarity
> specific to Slack, I can't help. But the usual reason for this sort of
> failure is a broken dependency, and Slackware is about the worst of the
> major distros at identifying dependency issues in its package
> management. The little bit of checking I did via Google seems to say
> that other users, or at least a subset of them, with problems are
> hitting dependency issues.

May be I should try debian after in slackware I had some annoying letdowns.
In fact DSL which I like, is debian. It's just changing to another distro is
like moving house.

> So to figure out what is going on, I would first use ldd to check what
> libraries Mozilla uses and if any of them are missing. Or see if Mozilla
> itself will start without the Epiphany frontend; if so, it's likely a
> version issue between the two packages.

That's the first thing I did doing ldd and it showed that epiphany could not
find 3 libraries. I then made symbolic links after which epiphany tries to
start and shows a window asking if I want to:
Quote
Recover previous browser windows and tabs?
Epiphany appears to have exited unexpectedly the last time it was run. You can
recover the opened windows and tabs.
Unquote

Than clicking on either Recover or Don't recover I get the next error window
as cited above.

> If you post that output and the version numbers of your Mozilla and
> Epiphany, I (or someone) may be able to spot a library that needs updating.

> Package: epiphany-browser
> Priority: optional
> Section: gnome
> Installed-Size: 9072
> Maintainer: Jordi Mallach
> Architecture: i386
> Version: 1.6.5-2
> Provides: www-browser
> Depends: dbus-1 (>= 0.23.4), dbus-glib-1 (>= 0.23.4), libart-2.0-2 (>=
----snip----
mozilla-browser
> (>= 2:1.7.10), mozilla-psm (>= 2:1.7.10), gnome-icon-theme (>= 2.9.90),
> iso-codes, gconf2 (>= 2.10.1-2)
> Recommends: yelp, epiphany-extensions
> Suggests: mozilla-bonobo
> Conflicts: mozilla-browser (>= 2:1.8)
>

How do you get this output? What's the command?

With ldd I only get the listing of libraries. I cannot ldd mozilla since the
file is not a dynamic executable. It is a /bin/sh script

The new version of mozilla in slack10.2 is 1.7.11. I uninstalled it and
reinstalled old version of mozilla 1.7.5 which was running epiphany before.
I un/reinstalled epiphany 1.6.4 as well.
Still epiphany would not start any longer.

It is not too serious since I use epiphany only for BBC-Radio-Player, however,
I like to have my house in order and all things working properly. Other
browsing is done with firefox, opera or netscape.


Regards

Peter
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Re: Epiphany Browser Fails

Peter wrote:
> Thanks Ray
>
> On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:31:53 -0700
> Ray Olszewski wrote:
>
>
>>>At 10/22/2005 10:47 +0800, Peter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Slackware 10.2 Kernel 2.4.31
>>>>
>>>>After upgrading to Slackware 10.2 from 10.1 the browser epiphany won't
>>>>open and I get the following error message:
>>>>
>>>>Epiphany can't be used now. Mozilla initialization failed.
>>>>
>>>>Checking with Google it seems a common problem with apparently no real
>>>>solution.
>>>>
>>>>Or does somebody on this list knows one?
>>
>>As you kow, I use Debian, not Slackware. So if this is some peculiarity
>>specific to Slack, I can't help. But the usual reason for this sort of
>>failure is a broken dependency, and Slackware is about the worst of the
>>major distros at identifying dependency issues in its package
>>management. The little bit of checking I did via Google seems to say
>>that other users, or at least a subset of them, with problems are
>>hitting dependency issues.
>
>
> May be I should try debian after in slackware I had some annoying letdowns.
> In fact DSL which I like, is debian. It's just changing to another distro is
> like moving house.

Yeah, moving is a drag, but sometimes you need to bite the bullet. I
switched from Slackware to Debian around 1999, and I don't regret it for
a minute. It was the only big Linux move I ever made, having previously
used Slack since 1992 (I don't change houses often, either). Were I
switching now, I might look at one of the friendlier Debian spinoffs,
like Ubuntu.

I don't want to turn this discussion into a best-distro argument, but I
do think all the other major distros ... the Debian-based ones and the
Red Hat derivatives (by which I mean most everything that uses .rpm
packaging) ... have better tools than Slackware for maintaining
consistency among versions of their packages.

I use and like Debian, but I'm sure that Fedora (for example) users can
point to many of the same benefits in its packaging system ... and from
what I read, it is better than Debian at hardware detection. And with
Debian, you have to choose among Stable (reliable, but not kept very up
to date), Unstable (very up to date, but things often break for a few
days due to mismatches in package upgrades on just plain bugs), or
Testing (somewhere in between ... not sure if you get the best or the
worst of both worlds). There's no perfect solution, just each
individual's best compromise.

These days, Slackware really is for people who like tinkering. From what
you write here, I don't think you are one of them.

>>So to figure out what is going on, I would first use ldd to check what
>>libraries Mozilla uses and if any of them are missing. Or see if Mozilla
>>itself will start without the Epiphany frontend; if so, it's likely a
>>version issue between the two packages.
>
>
> That's the first thing I did doing ldd and it showed that epiphany could not
> find 3 libraries.

And you did this install via a Slackware upgrade? It's not odd for
packages external to a distro (for example, the Epiphany source package
from gnome.org) not to know a distro's library conventions ... but when
a distro's own upgrade gets them wrong, that *is* a bad sign. It means
either that the packager was downright sloppy or that the libraries
changed in some fundamental way and the currents ones won't work right,
even if symlinked to the expected locations.

If you post again on this topic, please include the specifics of the
missing libraries and what symlinks you made.

> I then made symbolic links after which epiphany tries to
> start and shows a window asking if I want to:
> Quote
> Recover previous browser windows and tabs?
> Epiphany appears to have exited unexpectedly the last time it was run. You can
> recover the opened windows and tabs.
> Unquote
>
> Than clicking on either Recover or Don't recover I get the next error window
> as cited above.
>
>
>>If you post that output and the version numbers of your Mozilla and
>>Epiphany, I (or someone) may be able to spot a library that needs updating.
>
>
>>Package: epiphany-browser
>>Priority: optional
>>Section: gnome
>>Installed-Size: 9072
>>Maintainer: Jordi Mallach
>>Architecture: i386
>>Version: 1.6.5-2
>>Provides: www-browser
>>Depends: dbus-1 (>= 0.23.4), dbus-glib-1 (>= 0.23.4), libart-2.0-2 (>=
>
> ----snip----
> mozilla-browser
>
>>(>= 2:1.7.10), mozilla-psm (>= 2:1.7.10), gnome-icon-theme (>= 2.9.90),
>>iso-codes, gconf2 (>= 2.10.1-2)
>>Recommends: yelp, epiphany-extensions
>>Suggests: mozilla-bonobo
>>Conflicts: mozilla-browser (>= 2:1.8)
>>
> How do you get this output? What's the command?

You don't get this output on a Slackware system. It comes from apt, one
of the Debian package managers (dpkg is the other important one) and is
extracted from the package database. This same information is what lets
Debian installers identify and resolve dependency issues.

As far as I know in Slackware (and if I'm wrong, I hope some Slackware
user will correct me), all you have to work with in Slack is ldd's output.

> With ldd I only get the listing of libraries. I cannot ldd mozilla since the
> file is not a dynamic executable. It is a /bin/sh script

Yeah, but the script must call some binary. (I don't have mozilla
installed here or I'd check for you.) ldd that binary.

You should also try starting mozilla directly ... not through Epiphany
.... so you can be sure where the problem lies.

> The new version of mozilla in slack10.2 is 1.7.11. I uninstalled it and
> reinstalled old version of mozilla 1.7.5 which was running epiphany before.
> I un/reinstalled epiphany 1.6.4 as well.
> Still epiphany would not start any longer.

With the same error? Then (almost) surely the underlying mozilla binary
has a version problem with some shared library.

This URL -- http://planet.gnome.org/news/ -- has some dependency
information on the current version (1.8.2) of Epiphany. But that may be
too new for you. This URL -- http://blogs.gnome.org/portal/epiphany --
has similar info for older versions of Epiphany, but not as far back as
1.6.4. (What was the new Epiphany version Slack installed as part of the
upgrade?)

This announcement --
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2005-July /msg00010.html
-- is for 1.6.4.

> It is not too serious since I use epiphany only for BBC-Radio-Player, however,
> I like to have my house in order and all things working properly. Other
> browsing is done with firefox, opera or netscape.

Yeah, me too (the "house in order" part). Hope you can work this out.
Sorry I cannot provide anything more specific to help you along.

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Re: Epiphany Browser Fails

the mozilla binary that comes with slackware 10.2 is in
/usr/lib/mozilla-1.7.11/mozilla-bin running ldd on that will give you
the (missing) libraries (As you installed an old version the version
suffix may differ). I'd uninstallthe old copy of mozilla you
regressed to and reinstall the one that comes with Slack 10.2.


10.2 has dropped support for gnome. The gnome support was never one of
slacks strengths. I've installed dropline-gnome which is built for
slack and it just works here. YMMV of course :-)

HTH
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number of participants.
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Re: Epiphany Browser Fails

Thanks Ray and Laurence,

The 2 libraries I made symblinks are libgtkembedmoz.so and libgtksuperwin.so.
There was a third I thought and can't find.
I made the links in /usr/lib and did a ldconfig afterwards.

ldd /usr/lib/mozilla-1.7.11/mozilla-bin | grep found
libmozjs.so => not found

However mozilla starts w/o problem and this library can be found:

locate libmozjs.so
/usr/lib/mozilla-1.7.11/libmozjs.so
/usr/lib/netscape/libmozjs.so

Slackware does not have epiphany it comes with dropline-gnome and the upgrade
was made from the original slack box. Yes they must be sloppy. After the
previous upgrade all the media programs did not run anymore until I found
moving in ld.so.conf /usr/local/lib from the top to the bottom of the list
solved the problem. So much for my tinkering. And recently providing the wrong
module for the ethernet card, another bad slack classic.

If I do ldd /usr/bin/epiphany it does, not find, only libgtkembedmoz.so. Then
if I make a symblink ldd reports it does, not find, now libgtksuperwin.so
which is not present on the ldd run w/o symblink to libgtkembedmoz.so.

I will check later on the websites you provided.

As for the other browser I use I really did not mention dillo which is my main
stay browser.

Regards

Peter
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Re: Epiphany Browser Fails

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:47:21 +0800
Peter wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Slackware 10.2 Kernel 2.4.31
>
> After upgrading to slackware 10.2 from 10.1 the browser epiphany won't open
> and I get the following error message:
>
> Epiphany can't be used now. Mozilla initialization failed.
>
> Checking with google it seems a common problem with apparently no real
> solution.
>
> Or does somebody on this list knows one?
>
> Thanks & regards
> --
> Peter
>

Glad to report that after now upgrading to dropline-gnome-2.12.1 Epiphany
opened up again.

There is only one small problem in BBC-News-Player it tries to open with gxine
instead of Realplayer and gxine does not seem to work with it.

Regards

Peter

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