switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 23.03.2004 03:32:45 von Karthik Vishwanath

Hello,

I recently installed the 3.0 debian linux (on an AMD 1500 pc) and am
learning the ways of debian packaging. I obtained a netinst iso, burned
the image and successfully rebooted back into debian. Next, I used tasksel
get all the packages that seemed relevant. Somehow I missed choosing
XFree86 (I think), initially. dselect along with the debian reference
manual helped me fix that (by installing x-window-system-core,
xfree86-common, etc). During the setup process I selected GeForce as my
video card. startx did work - XFree86.0.log told me the error was: (EE)
No devices detected. Googling for "GeForce4 debian configuration" gave me
hits - the first one indicated that I must:

# cd /usr/src
# apt-get install nvidia-glx-src nvidia-kernel-src
# tar -zxf nvidia-kernel-src.tar.gz
# cd linux
# make-kpkg clean
# make-kpkg modules_image

I do not have the kernel source (I installed a pre-configured kernel -
kernel-image-2.4.18-k7) installed, and therefore do not have a
/usr/src/linux. Must I download the kernel source and follow the
instructions above? Is there an alternative way of enabling this card by
inserting a (precompiled?) module (is the above asking me to do exactly
that?)?

Require guidance...

Thanks,

-K

PS: Must I have my /etc/sources.list updated periodically? Is there a
utility to have it updated automatically?

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 23.03.2004 04:17:30 von joy

Karthik Vishwanath wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I recently installed the 3.0 debian linux (on an AMD 1500 pc) and am
>learning the ways of debian packaging. I obtained a netinst iso, burned
>the image and successfully rebooted back into debian. Next, I used tasksel
>get all the packages that seemed relevant. Somehow I missed choosing
>XFree86 (I think), initially. dselect along with the debian reference
>manual helped me fix that (by installing x-window-system-core,
>xfree86-common, etc). During the setup process I selected GeForce as my
>video card. startx did work - XFree86.0.log told me the error was: (EE)
>No devices detected. Googling for "GeForce4 debian configuration" gave me
>hits - the first one indicated that I must:
>
>
I see that you are using a Geforce 4 in a debian woody system. the
Xfree86 along with the stable distro does
not support the GF4. so you better get the latest nvidia drivers for
linux from nvidia.com and install it.
that should( no, will ;-) clear up your problem.

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 23.03.2004 05:44:05 von Karthik Vishwanath

Which driver(s) must I get from nvidia? I can get to their download site
(nvidia.com/object/linux.html), but am unsure what I need to download.

I got the latest version which gives me a file:
NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run.

# sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run

quits with a series of errors saying that "no matching precompiled kernel
interface was found", followed by "unable to find your kernel source
tree".

Now, I think a part of the problem here is that I do not have a matching
kernel that is running with a kernel source. 'uname -r ' gives 2.4.18-k7.
I can find (and have installed) a kernel-source-2.4.18 package, but not a
kernel-source-2.4.18-k7 package. How to fix it?

Thanks,

-K

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, at 8:47am, joy wrote:

> I see that you are using a Geforce 4 in a debian woody system. the
> Xfree86 along with the stable distro does not support the GF4. so you
> better get the latest nvidia drivers for linux from nvidia.com and
> install it. that should( no, will ;-) clear up your problem.
>

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 23.03.2004 06:12:07 von Ray Olszewski

At 11:44 PM 3/22/2004 -0500, Karthik Vishwanath wrote:
>Which driver(s) must I get from nvidia? I can get to their download site
>(nvidia.com/object/linux.html), but am unsure what I need to download.
>
>I got the latest version which gives me a file:
>NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run.
>
># sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run
>
>quits with a series of errors saying that "no matching precompiled kernel
>interface was found", followed by "unable to find your kernel source
>tree".
>
>Now, I think a part of the problem here is that I do not have a matching
>kernel that is running with a kernel source. 'uname -r ' gives 2.4.18-k7.
>I can find (and have installed) a kernel-source-2.4.18 package, but not a
>kernel-source-2.4.18-k7 package. How to fix it?

Short answer: to use the nVidia proprietary X driver, you need on your
system the kernel source that matches your installed kernel. This is so
because part of what the nVidia package provides is a customized
framebuffer in the form of a kernel module called "nvidia".

How did you install the kernel-source-2.4.18 package you mention? If you
just did the apt-get (or dselect, if you do it that way) part, you did not
un'tar the source tree. You just have a package called something like
/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18.tar.bz2 . You need to do two things for the
nvidia installer to run properly:

1. un'tar the source in the usual way.
2. make the customary symlink:
ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18 linux

Then the nvidia installer should succeed.

(NOTE: The one thing I cannot vouch for is that kernel-source-2.4.18 and
kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 packages actually match up. I always compile my own
kernels after installing, so I have no actual experience with using the
Debian kernel-image-* packages.)

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 23.03.2004 15:49:23 von Richard Adams

On Tuesday 23 March 2004 05:44, Karthik Vishwanath wrote:
> Which driver(s) must I get from nvidia? I can get to their download site
> (nvidia.com/object/linux.html), but am unsure what I need to download.
>
> I got the latest version which gives me a file:
> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run.

I have this one on a slackware 9 system using a TI4200
and on suse 9 with a FX5200 works fine.

> # sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run
>
> quits with a series of errors saying that "no matching precompiled kernel
> interface was found", followed by "unable to find your kernel source
> tree".
>
> Now, I think a part of the problem here is that I do not have a matching
> kernel that is running with a kernel source. 'uname -r ' gives 2.4.18-k7.
> I can find (and have installed) a kernel-source-2.4.18 package, but not a
> kernel-source-2.4.18-k7 package. How to fix it?

If you installed the source for 2.4.18 then you should be able to do the
following and get away with it;

cd /usr/src/linux
make mrproper
cp /boot/config-xx .config
edit Makefile
change line 4 from
EXTRAVERSION =
To
EXTRAVERSION = -k7
save file;
make oldconfig
make dep
Thats it, now rerun
sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run

Note;
i am presuming that debian has the default kernel config in /boot, most
systems do store it there for your convinance.

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Regards Richard
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http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pa3gcu/

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 23.03.2004 18:19:45 von joy

Ray Olszewski wrote:

> Short answer: to use the nVidia proprietary X driver, you need on your
> system the kernel source that matches your installed kernel. This is
> so because part of what the nVidia package provides is a customized
> framebuffer in the form of a kernel module called "nvidia".
>
> How did you install the kernel-source-2.4.18 package you mention? If
> you just did the apt-get (or dselect, if you do it that way) part, you
> did not un'tar the source tree. You just have a package called
> something like /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18.tar.bz2 . You need to do
> two things for the nvidia installer to run properly:
>
> 1. un'tar the source in the usual way.
> 2. make the customary symlink:
> ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18 linux
>
> Then the nvidia installer should succeed.
>
> (NOTE: The one thing I cannot vouch for is that kernel-source-2.4.18
> and kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 packages actually match up. I always
> compile my own kernels after installing, so I have no actual
> experience with using the Debian kernel-image-* packages.)

yup, I suggest the same. get your own kernel sources and compile them.
if you get a 2.6 series kernel, you need to upgrade a few packages on
the system( the version numbr of the software required is found in the
sources in /Documentation/Changes.I suggest you get a 2.6, it's worth
the download and you will really feel the difference and also the 5336
version has support for the 2.6 series and I see no reason you shuld not
take advantage of this.

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 23.03.2004 18:45:23 von Ray Olszewski

At 10:49 PM 3/23/2004 +0530, joy wrote:
[...]
>>(NOTE: The one thing I cannot vouch for is that kernel-source-2.4.18 and
>>kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 packages actually match up. I always compile my
>>own kernels after installing, so I have no actual experience with using
>>the Debian kernel-image-* packages.)
>
>yup, I suggest the same. get your own kernel sources and compile them. if
>you get a 2.6 series kernel, you need to upgrade a few packages on the
>system( the version numbr of the software required is found in the
>sources in /Documentation/Changes.I suggest you get a 2.6, it's worth the
>download and you will really feel the difference and also the 5336 version
>has support for the 2.6 series and I see no reason you shuld not take
>advantage of this.

I haven't myself switched to the 2.6.x kernel series yet, but I have seen
reports warning of problems with some external add-in modules, including
the nvidia drivers ... showing up as high CPU loads caused, I think, by
context switching not being handled efficiently. (Also problems with ivtv
and lirc, if memory serves, and maybe some of the wlan stuff.)

Caution ... or, better, patience, as this stuff will certainly get worked
out ... *may* be indicated here.

Joy - do you actually have an nvidia framebudffer module running with 2.6.x?

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 23.03.2004 20:59:23 von Richard Adams

On Tuesday 23 March 2004 18:19, joy wrote:
> yup, I suggest the same. get your own kernel sources and compile them=

> if you get a 2.6 series kernel, you need to upgrade a few packages on
> the system( the version numbr of the software =A0required is found in=
the
> sources in /Documentation/Changes.I suggest you get a 2.6, it's worth
> the download and you will really feel the difference and also the 533=
6
> version has support for the 2.6 series and I see no reason you shuld =
not
> take advantage of this.

I dont want to sound like a wet blanket, however i have a machine here =
running=20
a 2.6 kernel, be aware there are issues with the nvidia video drivers, =
or at=20
least i have some.

--=20
If the Linux community is a bunch of theives because they
try to imitate windows programs, then the Windows community
is built on organized crime.

Regards Richard
pa3gcu@zeelandnet.nl
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pa3gcu/

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 24.03.2004 14:17:08 von joy

Ray Olszewski wrote:

> I haven't myself switched to the 2.6.x kernel series yet, but I have
> seen reports warning of problems with some external add-in modules,
> including the nvidia drivers ... showing up as high CPU loads caused,
> I think, by context switching not being handled efficiently. (Also
> problems with ivtv and lirc, if memory serves, and maybe some of the
> wlan stuff.)
>
> Caution ... or, better, patience, as this stuff will certainly get
> worked out ... *may* be indicated here.
>
> Joy - do you actually have an nvidia framebudffer module running with
> 2.6.x?

yes, have been using the 2.6 series almost as soon as it was released
and used to use the patches from minion.de until the
5336 nvidia driver was released. I don't exactly understand your Q (too
hitech for me ;-) however I figure you are asking
me about it's (kernel's) performance under heavy loads. well I ran 3
instances of xine playing (what else) 'Highway Star'
at the same time on KDE which I think should put the cpu under load, Kde
being the major load :) with no problems.
this was . 2.6.1or .2 maybe...........

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 24.03.2004 14:22:23 von joy

pa3gcu wrote:

>I dont want to sound like a wet blanket, however i have a machine here running
>a 2.6 kernel, be aware there are issues with the nvidia video drivers, or at
>least i have some.
>
>
I too had some problems in the beginning, but I believe APIC support on
uniprocessor systems breaks the driver...
try disabling it and see if there is any difference coz after I did the
same, X has never hung on me ( it used to do so very often before)
and thats atleast a month or two

>
>

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 24.03.2004 17:55:37 von Ray Olszewski

At 06:47 PM 3/24/2004 +0530, joy wrote:
>Ray Olszewski wrote:
>
>>I haven't myself switched to the 2.6.x kernel series yet, but I have seen
>>reports warning of problems with some external add-in modules, including
>>the nvidia drivers ... showing up as high CPU loads caused, I think, by
>>context switching not being handled efficiently. (Also problems with ivtv
>>and lirc, if memory serves, and maybe some of the wlan stuff.)
>>
>>Caution ... or, better, patience, as this stuff will certainly get worked
>>out ... *may* be indicated here.
>>
>>Joy - do you actually have an nvidia framebudffer module running with 2.6.x?
>
>yes, have been using the 2.6 series almost as soon as it was released and
>used to use the patches from minion.de until the
>5336 nvidia driver was released. I don't exactly understand your Q (too
>hitech for me ;-) however I figure you are asking
>me about it's (kernel's) performance under heavy loads. well I ran 3
>instances of xine playing (what else) 'Highway Star'
>at the same time on KDE which I think should put the cpu under load, Kde
>being the major load :) with no problems.
>this was . 2.6.1or .2 maybe...........

Hard to say from this description if you are seeing the problems I read
about or not. With a sufficiently fast CPU ... a 3 GHz P4, say ... I could
run xine this way using xshm, and that video method is a real CPU hog. A
better test would be something like this:

1. run a single instance of xine in the current display, playing back
something suitable (I don't know what "Highway Star" is ... or, more
important to the test, how it is encoded (what resolution, what bitrate,
what codec)). Make sure xine is using xVideo ("xine -V xv
filename_to_play"). Have xine resizing the video ... double size if that
works to keep everything actually visible onscreen.

2. also in the current display, run "top". With the entire xie playback
visible onscreen, note both total CPU use and its components. The total
should be quite low, under 5% usually, if all is working smoothly. If the
total is high, and both the "system" and "user" components contribute
significantly to it, you are seeing the problem I've read about, even if
the system is managing to keep up.

3. Mention what CPU -- type and speed -- is involved. The faster the CPU,
the lower the number should be in step 2.

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 25.03.2004 15:46:00 von Karthik Vishwanath

I installed the 2.4.18 source by 'apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.18',
extracted the source and made a symbolic /usr/src/linux ->
/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18/, and followed all the instructions below
as is.

sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run quits with an error.

# cat /var/log/nvidia-installer.log | grep ^ERROR
ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename.

How to proceed?

Thanks,

-K

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, at 3:49pm, pa3gcu wrote:

> If you installed the source for 2.4.18 then you should be able to do the
> following and get away with it;
>
> cd /usr/src/linux
> make mrproper
> cp /boot/config-xx .config
> edit Makefile
> change line 4 from
> EXTRAVERSION =
> To
> EXTRAVERSION = -k7
> save file;
> make oldconfig
> make dep
> Thats it, now rerun
> sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run
>
> Note;
> i am presuming that debian has the default kernel config in /boot, most
> systems do store it there for your convinance.
>
>

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 25.03.2004 16:42:19 von Ray Olszewski

At 09:46 AM 3/25/2004 -0500, Karthik Vishwanath wrote:

>I installed the 2.4.18 source by 'apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.18',
>extracted the source and made a symbolic /usr/src/linux ->
>/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18/, and followed all the instructions below
>as is.
>
>sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run quits with an error.
>
># cat /var/log/nvidia-installer.log | grep ^ERROR
>ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename.
>
>
>How to proceed?

Preliminary question: Are you using an installer you got from nVidia, or
are you using the Debian package nvidia-kernel-source (from non-free/X11)?

Second question: Did you edit the Makefile in /usr/src/linux so it matches
the version of the running kernel EXACTLY (as reported by "uname -a"; I
don't care what name the kernel file has)? I ask in part because Richard's
instructions contain a small typo you may have missed. He says to edit the
Makefile as follows:
> change line 4 from
> EXTRAVERSION =
> To
> EXTRAVERSION = -k7

In fact, it should read

EXTRAVERSION =-k7

(without the space before the hyphen).

Third, I think we are going to have to see the context of the error
message. I can't find in the nVidia installer where that message is
generated, so it must come from the binary portion somewhere. The preceding
lines in the log (or onscreen) probably give some context for interpreting
the message. If the log file is small (mine is, but from a successful
install of 4363), include it all. IF it is too long for that, include the
immediate context of the error.

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 25.03.2004 17:07:32 von Richard Adams

On Thursday 25 March 2004 16:42, Ray Olszewski wrote:
> In fact, it should read
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0EXTRAVERSION =3D-k7
>
> (without the space before the hyphen).

No sorry Ray its not a typo, its how it should be a as matter of fact,
It possably works without a white space but AFAIK white spaces are igno=
red.

If for example you look into any Topdir Makefile you will note that lin=
es 1,=20
2, and 3 have white spaces after the =3D and the 4th line should compl=
y as=20
well or so i was once told.

--=20
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try to imitate windows programs, then the Windows community
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Regards Richard
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http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pa3gcu/

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 25.03.2004 17:15:12 von Richard Adams

On Thursday 25 March 2004 15:46, Karthik Vishwanath wrote:
> I installed the 2.4.18 source by 'apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.18',
> extracted the source and made a symbolic /usr/src/linux ->
> /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18/, and followed all the instructions below
> as is.
>
> sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run quits with an error.
>
> # cat /var/log/nvidia-installer.log | grep ^ERROR
> ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename.

No No No, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18/ is NOT what you want i can assure
you.

When you untarred the source a directory called linux-2.4.18 should have been
created you then need to create a symlink to "linux" for my example
underneat, so lets start again.

cd /usr/src
tar xvzf /path/to/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz
A directory will be created called linux-2.4.18 which now contains the source,
so you now need to do;
ln -s linux-2.4.18 linux
cd linux
Now edit the Makefile and do like i said.

You can also use the installer with the --help option you will see that one
can use switches to direct the installer to "uncommon" directorys, however
belive me its better to do as i say because sooner or later you WILL get
problems.

>
> How to proceed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -K
>
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, at 3:49pm, pa3gcu wrote:
> > If you installed the source for 2.4.18 then you should be able to do the
> > following and get away with it;
> >
> > cd /usr/src/linux
> > make mrproper
> > cp /boot/config-xx .config
> > edit Makefile
> > change line 4 from
> > EXTRAVERSION =
> > To
> > EXTRAVERSION = -k7
> > save file;
> > make oldconfig
> > make dep
> > Thats it, now rerun
> > sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run
> >
> > Note;
> > i am presuming that debian has the default kernel config in /boot, most
> > systems do store it there for your convinance.
>
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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 25.03.2004 17:28:23 von Ray Olszewski

At 05:15 PM 3/25/2004 +0100, pa3gcu wrote:
>On Thursday 25 March 2004 15:46, Karthik Vishwanath wrote:
> > I installed the 2.4.18 source by 'apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.18',
> > extracted the source and made a symbolic /usr/src/linux ->
> > /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18/, and followed all the instructions below
> > as is.
> >
> > sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run quits with an error.
> >
> > # cat /var/log/nvidia-installer.log | grep ^ERROR
> > ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename.
>
>
>No No No, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18/ is NOT what you want i can assure
>you.
>
>When you untarred the source a directory called linux-2.4.18 should have been
>created you then need to create a symlink to "linux" for my example
>underneat, so lets start again.

Actually, Richard, this is just a Debian naming convention that you are
unfamiliar with. Here, for example, is a relevant portion of my /usr/src
directory:

autovcr@kuryakin:~$ ls -l /usr/src
[...]
drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 Mar 4 10:59 kernel-source-2.4.19
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25652223 Dec 5 15:59
kernel-source-2.4.19.tar.bz2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 20 Aug 19 2002 linux ->
kernel-source-2.4.19

In Debian when you un'tar (for example) kernel-source-2.4.19.tar.bz2 you
get a directory tree named kernel-source-2.4.19, NOT one named linux-2.4.19.

I'm so used to this convention that I'd quite forgotten that other distros
don't follow it.

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 25.03.2004 17:40:18 von Ray Olszewski

At 05:07 PM 3/25/2004 +0100, pa3gcu wrote:
>On Thursday 25 March 2004 16:42, Ray Olszewski wrote:
> > In fact, it should read
> >
> > EXTRAVERSION =-k7
> >
> > (without the space before the hyphen).
>
>No sorry Ray its not a typo, its how it should be a as matter of fact,
>It possably works without a white space but AFAIK white spaces are ignored.
>
>If for example you look into any Topdir Makefile you will note that lines 1,
>2, and 3 have white spaces after the = and the 4th line should comply as
>well or so i was once told.

Have you tried it, though? I recall actually having that problem once,
though quite a few years ago (that is, back whenever it was I first used
the EXTRAVERSION setting with my kernels). The prior three lines did get
any spaces cleaned out, but as I recall, EXTRAVERSION was handled differently.

I specifically saw the problem as an inability to load modules, because the
embedded space in the modules directory didn't work with the Debian init
script that loads modules.

It's been a long time since I saw this problem, though, and it is certainly
possible that my memory is wrong, or that Makefile processing has changed
along the way ... and I'm unwilling to take the time to compile a kernel
just to see what happens. I did look, though, and confirmed that all my
kernel Makefile entries for EXTRAVERSION follow the form I suggest.

In any case, I don't actually know if this has anything to do with
Karthik's problem, whichever of us is correct.

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 25.03.2004 17:46:40 von Karthik Vishwanath

Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 25.03.2004 19:25:24 von Ray Olszewski

At 11:46 AM 3/25/2004 -0500, Karthik Vishwanath wrote:
>I tried adding/removing spaces from the Makefile and I still cannot get
>'sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run' to function alright. I did
>download NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run from nvidia's website and have
>not installed the Debian package nvidia-kernel-source.
>
>'uname -r' gives 2.4.18-k7. The Makefile in /usr/src/linux at its top
>reads:
>
>VERSION = 2
>PATCHLEVEL = 4
>SUBLEVEL = 18
>EXTRAVERSION =-k7
>
>I have attached the nvidia-installer.log as an attachment (as its about
>~2K). I could'nt spot anything significant in that log -- perhaps my eyes
>are unfamiliar wrt to what to seek...
>
>I did not follow Richards suggestion below since the untarring of the
>zipped source did create /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18/.

Hmmm ... the log itself is not very informative, and I find that the
specific error message you're getting does not appear anywhere in the older
nvidia package I have here ... at least not in any form that "grep" or
"strings" can find.

Tracking this down involves looking at the source for the nvidia-installer.
It turns out that this is a 2.6 change ... apparently 2.4.x modules are
named nvidia.o, while 2.6.x modules are named nvidia.ko, and the installer
is trying to figure out which name to use. For some reason, the function
build_kernel_module() is not getting a usable value for this choice.

This is the code fragment that's burning you:

cmd = nvstrcat("cd ", p->kernel_module_build_directory,
"; make print-module-filename", NULL);

ret = run_command(op, cmd, &p->kernel_module_filename, FALSE, 0, FALSE);

free(cmd);

if (ret != 0) {
ui_error(op, "Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module
filename.");
/* XXX need more descriptive error message */
return FALSE;

(Note the comment near the end. I second it.)

Why this fails is not readily apparent. The first thing to check, I
suppose, is that you have "make" installed on your system. If not, install
it ("apt-get install make").

If that's not it, try pecifying the kernel name as a command-line option.
It's something like the following:

sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run --kernel-name=[KERNELNAME]

replacing [KERNELNAME] with the actual name.

If neither of these tactica work, consider dropping back to an eariler
version of the NVIDIA package, one known to work with 2.4.x kernels (like
the 4363 I have working here with a bespoke 2.4.19 .

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 25.03.2004 20:36:04 von Richard Adams

On Thursday 25 March 2004 17:40, Ray Olszewski wrote:
> At 05:07 PM 3/25/2004 +0100, pa3gcu wrote:
> >On Thursday 25 March 2004 16:42, Ray Olszewski wrote:
> > > In fact, it should read
> > >
> > > EXTRAVERSION =-k7
> > >
> > > (without the space before the hyphen).
> >
> >No sorry Ray its not a typo, its how it should be a as matter of fact,
> >It possably works without a white space but AFAIK white spaces are
> > ignored.
> >
> >If for example you look into any Topdir Makefile you will note that lines
> > 1, 2, and 3 have white spaces after the = and the 4th line should comply
> > as well or so i was once told.
>
> Have you tried it, though? I recall actually having that problem once,
> though quite a few years ago (that is, back whenever it was I first used
> the EXTRAVERSION setting with my kernels). The prior three lines did get
> any spaces cleaned out, but as I recall, EXTRAVERSION was handled
> differently.

I always use that method, yes it works and whats more i always use it that
way, i use it that way because i was told to do so many moons ago when the
EXTRAVERTION was first introduced into the Makefile, i was told that by its
authour.

> I specifically saw the problem as an inability to load modules, because the
> embedded space in the modules directory didn't work with the Debian init
> script that loads modules.

Now that i cant understand, anyway strange things can and i suppose will
always happen.

>
> It's been a long time since I saw this problem, though, and it is certainly
> possible that my memory is wrong, or that Makefile processing has changed
> along the way ... and I'm unwilling to take the time to compile a kernel
> just to see what happens. I did look, though, and confirmed that all my
> kernel Makefile entries for EXTRAVERSION follow the form I suggest.

Like i said they both work.

>
> In any case, I don't actually know if this has anything to do with
> Karthik's problem, whichever of us is correct.

No i dont think so as you can read in my reply to that mail later.

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 25.03.2004 21:06:04 von Richard Adams

On Thursday 25 March 2004 17:46, Karthik Vishwanath wrote:
> I tried adding/removing spaces from the Makefile and I still cannot get
> 'sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run' to function alright. I did
> download NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run from nvidia's website and have
> not installed the Debian package nvidia-kernel-source.
>
> 'uname -r' gives 2.4.18-k7. The Makefile in /usr/src/linux at its top
> reads:
>
> VERSION = 2
> PATCHLEVEL = 4
> SUBLEVEL = 18
> EXTRAVERSION =-k7

I said;
EXTRAVERSION = -k7
i meant it.

A question to you, did you do;

make oldconfig
make dep
like i suggested, ????

The above does not mean you need to do the rest of a kernel compile ie, make
bzImage modules modules_install etc etc, you need to configure the source
thats all.
Files get created by make oldconfig and make dep which the nvidia installer
gets information from.

> I have attached the nvidia-installer.log as an attachment (as its about
> ~2K). I could'nt spot anything significant in that log -- perhaps my eyes
> are unfamiliar wrt to what to seek...
>
> I did not follow Richards suggestion below since the untarring of the
> zipped source did create /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18/.

If you do not follow what i wrote then you will have problems period.
You can however ensure that /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18 has a symlink called
linux pointing to it, or use the installers options to define where the
source is, whichever way you choose you MUST reconfigure the kernel source
and edit the makefile otheriwse it WILL NOT WORK.

About your directory /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18 if thats what you got when
unpacking the source then it looks like you dont have the "offical" kernel
source available from kernel.org as that i can assure you the offical source
of 2.4.18 creates a directory called linux-2.4.18 and i cannot stress it
enough but to say period.

Ray suggested to fall back on an older driver, i do not suggest that at all as
i have 5336 running here on a slackware 9 system and a suse 9 system.
Like i mentioned before there are some issues with the driver itself in the
way it works, BUT there are issues with all nvidia's drivers, just because i
said there are issues with tis driver "here" does NOT mean you will have
problems.

As i said before and i repeat, if you follow my instrutions then it will work
i can assure you.

You MUST assure that the installer can find the kernel source AND that the
kernel source is configured with the SAME options your running kernel has,
thats it really.

If only you was next door i would come and show you how to do it there is no
secret.
After all if you read;
ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-5336/README
You will see that my examples are written there, they are not there for the
duration, they are there to help you.

It even states that you need to have the source installed, make sure the
installer knows where they are AND that the sources have been configured
peropery by;
coping the config file of your running kernel to /usr/src/linux or the place
where you tell the installer they are and that you have configured the
sources with make oldconfig and make dep, if you dont do that your buggered
period.

> -K
>
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, at 8:28am, Ray Olszewski wrote:
> > At 05:15 PM 3/25/2004 +0100, pa3gcu wrote:
> > >No No No, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18/ is NOT what you want i can
> > > assure you.
> > >
> > >When you untarred the source a directory called linux-2.4.18 should have
> > > been created you then need to create a symlink to "linux" for my
> > > example underneat, so lets start again.
> >
> > Actually, Richard, this is just a Debian naming convention that you are
> > unfamiliar with. Here, for example, is a relevant portion of my /usr/src
> > directory:
> >
> > autovcr@kuryakin:~$ ls -l /usr/src
> > [...]
> > drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 Mar 4 10:59
> > kernel-source-2.4.19 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25652223 Dec 5
> > 15:59
> > kernel-source-2.4.19.tar.bz2
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 20 Aug 19 2002 linux ->
> > kernel-source-2.4.19
> >
> > In Debian when you un'tar (for example) kernel-source-2.4.19.tar.bz2 you
> > get a directory tree named kernel-source-2.4.19, NOT one named
> > linux-2.4.19.
> >
> > I'm so used to this convention that I'd quite forgotten that other
> > distros don't follow it.

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 25.03.2004 21:20:39 von Richard Adams

On Thursday 25 March 2004 17:28, Ray Olszewski wrote:
> >No No No, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18/ is NOT what you want i can assure
> >you.
> >
> >When you untarred the source a directory called linux-2.4.18 should have
> > been created you then need to create a symlink to "linux" for my example
> > underneat, so lets start again.
>
> Actually, Richard, this is just a Debian naming convention that you are
> unfamiliar with. Here, for example, is a relevant portion of my /usr/src
> directory:

If you retrive the offical kernel source from www.kernel.org and use 'tar' to
extracht the archive then a directory called linux-2.4.18 is created that is
a linux FAQ of cource if one retrives some or other distro RPM then your on
your own. The nvidia installer wants to find a /usr/src/linux or
/lib/modules/'uname -r'/build
..
I am sure i dont need to give you Ray an example but for others heres what i
have.

In /usr/src
linux-2.4.22-ac4/
linux -> linux-2.4.22-ac4/

So that means i have /usr/src/linux pointing to /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-ac4

Uname -r shows 2.4.22-ac4-2

if we look at /lib/modules we see;

build -> /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-ac4/

My Makefile has.

EXTRAVERSION = -ac4-2

Works like a charm.

cat /proc/driver/version
pa3gcu@localhost:/lib/modules/2.4.22-ac4-2$ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0-5336 Wed Jan 14
18:29:26 PST 2004
GCC version: gcc version 3.2.3

cat: /proc/driver/nvidia/cards/: Is a directory
pa3gcu@localhost:/lib/modules/2.4.22-ac4-2$ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/cards/0
Model: GeForce4 Ti 4200
IRQ: 16
Video BIOS: 04.25.00.30.00
Card Type: AGP

This is my slackware system, i can assure you my suse 9 system looks the same.

Yes one can do it in otherways i suppose, i say do it my way because i know it
works period.

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 25.03.2004 21:25:00 von Richard Adams

On Thursday 25 March 2004 17:28, Ray Olszewski wrote:
> >No No No, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18/ is NOT what you want i can assure
> >you.

AH!!!!, now i dont know how i missed it, however i now see what Ray meant, you
seem to be talking about an RPM install, ok anyway soory for the miscomm,
however the point is the symlink it needs to be /usr/src/linux .

Ok so i also misread but i think most of you know that already.
the heart of the problem here is not doing what one is told to that i am sure
of as thousands of nvidia owners use the way i have described, after all its
described that way in the README.

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 25.03.2004 21:46:18 von Richard Adams

On Thursday 25 March 2004 21:06, pa3gcu wrote:
> After all if you read;
> =A0ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-5336/READ ME
> You will see that my examples are written there, they are not there f=
or the
> duration, they are there to help you.

I am glad i did not write this README, i have just discovered a somewha=
t BAD=20
and rather misleading point, in that readme which i decided to study ju=
st to=20
make sure i got my facts correct, i see the following under section;
sec-04 (if the file is in an editor its +/- line 772)

It says;
cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/
cp configs/kernel-2.4.18-i686-bigmem.config .config
make mrproper oldconfig dep

It an example for redhat but the problems is universal as it concerns=20
'make mrproper'

make mrproper removes .config meaning if one follows that example ALL w=
ill=20
fail misarably as kernel defaults contained in the different kernel Con=
fig.in=20
files will be used and i can assure you thats not much.

I will send a report to nvidia about it.

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 26.03.2004 07:30:35 von Karthik Vishwanath

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make is (was) installed.

sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run --kernel-name=2.4.18-k7, did not
work.

So, I obtained NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4363.run from nvidia.com, and ran as:
sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4363.run --kernel-name=2.4.18-k7, and this worked
(seemingly).

I set my X driver to be nvidia (as indicated) but could not startx.

I tried: # modprobe nvidia and came up with a list of "unresolved
symbols".

I taken the liberty of attaching both the nvidia-installer.log, as well as
the output of modprobe nvidia to this message.

Please tell me what to attempt next.

Thanks,

-K

PS: Richard, I followed your instructions line for line:

> cd /usr/src/linux
> make mrproper
> cp /boot/config-xx .config
> edit Makefile
> change line 4 from
> EXTRAVERSION =
> To
> EXTRAVERSION = -k7
> save file;
> make oldconfig
> make dep

yet, # sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run would not work.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, at 10:25am, Ray Olszewski wrote:

>
> Why this fails is not readily apparent. The first thing to check, I
> suppose, is that you have "make" installed on your system. If not, install
> it ("apt-get install make").
>
> If that's not it, try pecifying the kernel name as a command-line option.
> It's something like the following:
>
> sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run --kernel-name=[KERNELNAME]
>
> replacing [KERNELNAME] with the actual name.
>
> If neither of these tactica work, consider dropping back to an eariler
> version of the NVIDIA package, one known to work with 2.4.x kernels (like
> the 4363 I have working here with a bespoke 2.4.19 .
>
k

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 26.03.2004 12:13:33 von joy

Ray Olszewski wrote:

>
> Hard to say from this description if you are seeing the problems I
> read about or not. With a sufficiently fast CPU ... a 3 GHz P4, say
> ... I could run xine this way using xshm, and that video method is a
> real CPU hog. A better test would be something like this:
>
> 1. run a single instance of xine in the current display, playing back
> something suitable (I don't know what "Highway Star" is ... or, more
> important to the test, how it

It's apparent that you are not a great fan of rock music....;-)

> is encoded (what resolution, what bitrate, what codec)). Make sure
> xine is using xVideo ("xine -V xv filename_to_play"). Have xine
> resizing the video ... double size if that works to keep everything
> actually visible onscreen.

did that..... OK

>
> 2. also in the current display, run "top". With the entire xie
> playback visible onscreen, note both total CPU use and its components.
> The total should be quite low, under 5% usually, if all is working
> smoothly. If the total is high, and both the "system" and "user"
> components contribute significantly to it, you are seeing the problem
> I've read about, even if the system is managing to keep up.

in the output of top, I found the xine part of it and it takes up very
little, around 3-4% max whereas libarts, which I guess is the Kde libs
takes up 50%(too much, IMHO) so I guess it is mem hogs like KDE that
constitute the problem......

>
> 3. Mention what CPU -- type and speed -- is involved. The faster the
> CPU, the lower the number should be in step 2.

Cpu- athlon 2400+
video- geforce4 64 mb ram
512 mb ddr main mem

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Re: switching to debian (... and installing the NVIDIA GeForce4)

am 26.03.2004 16:37:17 von Ray Olszewski

At 01:30 AM 3/26/2004 -0500, Karthik Vishwanath wrote:
>make is (was) installed.
>
>sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run --kernel-name=2.4.18-k7, did not
>work.
>
>So, I obtained NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4363.run from nvidia.com, and ran as:
>sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4363.run --kernel-name=2.4.18-k7, and this worked
>(seemingly).
>
>I set my X driver to be nvidia (as indicated) but could not startx.
>
>I tried: # modprobe nvidia and came up with a list of "unresolved
>symbols".
>
>I taken the liberty of attaching both the nvidia-installer.log, as well as
>the output of modprobe nvidia to this message.
>
>Please tell me what to attempt next.

In general, this sort of result means one of two things:

1. You failed to load some needed modules before loading nvidia. In this
instance, this appears NOT to be the actual problem, since

(a) the nvidia installer runs "depmod" for you
(b) 0y install of 4363 here indicates that nvidia has no dependencies

2. A kernel mismatch. Since you are trying to use source to add in modules
to a pre-compiled, stock kernel, it is at least possible that this sort of
mismatch is occurring. It MAY be as simple as the kernel cource having a
..config file that does not match the compiled kernel ... I suggest this
only because I see "devfs" mentioned in some of the unresolved symbols, and
from my setup I know nvidia can run with a kernel that does not have devfs
support compiled in.

Anyway, my best GUESS is that you're running into a problem based on your
wanting to use a precompiled kernel, something I have no experience with
(not in the last few years, anyway). I don't know if you are using Woody,
Sarge, or Sid ... I just checked Sid and see that it does not at the moment
have any kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 package but does have a
kernel-source-2.4.18 ... so there may be a version mismatch problem that
derives from image and souce being at different patchlevels *within* 2.4.18
(Debian occasionally does this, mainly as backpatches for security issues).

So, I can only suggest two options.

First, compile a kernel locally and then try to run the nvidia installer
and to install the nvidia module against it.

Two, try using the nvidia-kernel-source Debian package (with make-kpkg) to
see if doing it "the Debian way" solves some hidden problem.

Other than that, you're sufficiently outside my experience that I cannot
offer suggestions. Sorry.

BTW, my running version of nvidia is the same nvidia version number, but
with a bespoke 2.4.19 kernel.

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