Outlook Express and OpenPGP/MIME

Greetings.

I tend to sign my outgoing mail via OpenPGP/MIME, resulting in messages
with a Content-Type of
multipart/signed(text/plain,application/pgp-signature). I've had reports
from users of Microsoft Outlook Express that such messages are displayed
as a blank e-mail with both the text/plain and application/pgp-signature
parts shown as attachments.

My questions are as follows, then:

1) Is there some patch or simple plugin which fixes this issue to which I
can refer these people? (Some of them refuse or are unable to switch to a
different e-mail program such as Thunderbird.)

2) Is there anything I can do to make my signed mails friendlier to Outlook
Express? I have seen a report (see

or ) that sending
messages as
multipart/signed(multipart/mixed(text/plain,text/plain),appl ication/pgp-signature)
might work. However, I don't think this option will work for me, since
AFAIK my mail client (KMail) doesn't allow one to filter outgoing mail
before it is signed.

Regards,
Tristan

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Re: Outlook Express and OpenPGP/MIME

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Tristan Miller writes:

> Greetings.
>
> I tend to sign my outgoing mail via OpenPGP/MIME, resulting in messages
> with a Content-Type of
> multipart/signed(text/plain,application/pgp-signature). I've had reports
> from users of Microsoft Outlook Express that such messages are displayed
> as a blank e-mail with both the text/plain and application/pgp-signature
> parts shown as attachments.

Known bug in Microsoft shitware. Prepare to get a bunch of Outlook luser
claim that this is your problem, and not theirs.

> My questions are as follows, then:
>
> 1) Is there some patch or simple plugin which fixes this issue to which I
> can refer these people? (Some of them refuse or are unable to switch to a
> different e-mail program such as Thunderbird.)

Yes. Refer them to install the following patch:
http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/

> 2) Is there anything I can do to make my signed mails friendlier to Outlook
> Express?

No. Proper compatibility with non-proprietary, open Internet standards is
not a priority for Microsoft.



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Re: Outlook Express and OpenPGP/MIME

Tristan Miller wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> I tend to sign my outgoing mail via OpenPGP/MIME, resulting in messages
> with a Content-Type of
> multipart/signed(text/plain,application/pgp-signature). I've had reports
> from users of Microsoft Outlook Express that such messages are displayed
> as a blank e-mail with both the text/plain and application/pgp-signature
> parts shown as attachments.

No help, but just to let you know that this is indeed true. At least,
assuming that Sam's (Usenet) *article* is structured the same as your
(e-mail) *messages*, Outlook Express displays Sam's article exactly the
way you described: A .dat signature file and a .txt file containing the
body of Sam's post.

Probably stupid suggestion: You can't persuade the recipients, to just
open the .txt attachment? Perhaps if the know the message is from a safe
sender and you say so in the "Subject:"?

[deleted]

Re: Outlook Express and OpenPGP/MIME

Sam wrote:
[deleted]

> Known bug in Microsoft shitware. Prepare to get a bunch of Outlook luser
> claim that this is your problem, and not theirs.

Minor, but important nit: Note that Outlook Express is not the same as
"Outlook". While it is quite possible, and even likely, that "Outlook"
(i.e. any Outlook version *other* than "Express") is also broken, it
isn't realistic to expect consistency from Microsoft, now is it? :-)

[deleted]

Re: Outlook Express and OpenPGP/MIME

Greetings.

In article <4422ba35$0$8303$dbd45001@news.wanadoo.nl>, Frank Slootweg
wrote:
>> I tend to sign my outgoing mail via OpenPGP/MIME, resulting in messages
>> with a Content-Type of
>> multipart/signed(text/plain,application/pgp-signature). I've had
>> reports from users of Microsoft Outlook Express that such messages are
>> displayed as a blank e-mail with both the text/plain and
>> application/pgp-signature parts shown as attachments.
>
> Probably stupid suggestion: You can't persuade the recipients, to just
> open the .txt attachment?

Oh, they're not afraid to open the text attachment. They're just confused
that they have to do so in order to read my e-mail. Another disadvantage
is that inline URLs are not hyperlinked, so people get annoyed that they
have to copy the URL and paste it in their web browser rather than simply
click on it as they do in non-signed e-mails.

Regards,
Tristan

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Re: Outlook Express and OpenPGP/MIME

> I tend to sign my outgoing mail via OpenPGP/MIME, resulting in
> messages with a Content-Type of
> multipart/signed(text/plain,application/pgp-signature). I've had
> reports from users of Microsoft Outlook Express that such messages are
> displayed as a blank e-mail with both the text/plain and
> application/pgp-signature parts shown as attachments.

Do you know what software the Outlook people are using for the PGP plugin?
Straying off topic, but the reason I ask is that I'm trying to convince
friends to use PGP or GnuPG and they are asking me what free software will
allow them to easily do PGP within Outlook.

--
Jem Berkes
Software design for Windows and Linux/Unix-like systems
http://www.sysdesign.ca/

Re: Outlook Express and OpenPGP/MIME

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:00:43 +0000, Tristan Miller
wrote:

>Oh, they're not afraid to open the text attachment. They're just confused
>that they have to do so in order to read my e-mail. Another disadvantage
>is that inline URLs are not hyperlinked, so people get annoyed that they
>have to copy the URL and paste it in their web browser rather than simply
>click on it as they do in non-signed e-mails.

Tell them it is a security measure to prevent accidental klicking on
suspect URL's.

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Dienst Informatietechnologie, Bibliotheek en Educatie (ITBE)
Universiteit Twente, Postbus 217, 7500 AE Enschede
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Re: Outlook Express and OpenPGP/MIME

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stop using PGP/MIME use Inline Signature / Encryption

Then they will only be annoyed by the top two lines of your message
saying it's signed.
Matt Westfall
Owner / Operator
FiftyPounds Internet
http://www.fiftypounds.com

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Tristan Miller wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> I tend to sign my outgoing mail via OpenPGP/MIME, resulting in messages
> with a Content-Type of
> multipart/signed(text/plain,application/pgp-signature). I've had reports
> from users of Microsoft Outlook Express that such messages are displayed
> as a blank e-mail with both the text/plain and application/pgp-signature
> parts shown as attachments.
>
> My questions are as follows, then:
>
> 1) Is there some patch or simple plugin which fixes this issue to which I
> can refer these people? (Some of them refuse or are unable to switch to a
> different e-mail program such as Thunderbird.)
>
> 2) Is there anything I can do to make my signed mails friendlier to Outlook
> Express? I have seen a report (see
>
> or ) that sending
> messages as
> multipart/signed(multipart/mixed(text/plain,text/plain),appl ication/pgp-signature)
> might work. However, I don't think this option will work for me, since
> AFAIK my mail client (KMail) doesn't allow one to filter outgoing mail
> before it is signed.
>
> Regards,
> Tristan
>
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The G-DATA Plugin is supposed to accomplish it,

It doesn't work for me, all it did was add a toolbar button to open GPA,
lol.
Matt Westfall
Owner / Operator
FiftyPounds Internet
http://www.fiftypounds.com

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Jem Berkes wrote:
>> I tend to sign my outgoing mail via OpenPGP/MIME, resulting in
>> messages with a Content-Type of
>> multipart/signed(text/plain,application/pgp-signature). I've had
>> reports from users of Microsoft Outlook Express that such messages are
>> displayed as a blank e-mail with both the text/plain and
>> application/pgp-signature parts shown as attachments.
>
> Do you know what software the Outlook people are using for the PGP plugin?
> Straying off topic, but the reason I ask is that I'm trying to convince
> friends to use PGP or GnuPG and they are asking me what free software will
> allow them to easily do PGP within Outlook.
>
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Re: Outlook Express and OpenPGP/MIME

Matt Westfall wrote:

> stop using PGP/MIME use Inline Signature / Encryption

Why? Why should people accomodate those who use
broken software?

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David.

Re: Outlook Express and OpenPGP/MIME

Greetings.

In article , David F. Skoll wrote:
> Matt Westfall wrote:
>
>> stop using PGP/MIME use Inline Signature / Encryption
>
> Why? Why should people accomodate those who use
> broken software?

Because some people do not have the choice to use non-broken software. We
can lecture them about the stupidity of Outlook Express until we're blue
in the mouth, but if they don't have administrator privileges on the
machine there's not much they can do about it.

If it were possible to configure my e-mail client to use inline rather than
OpenPGP/MIME signing when replying to messages that include an "X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook Express" header, I would probably do it. That doesn't
mean I wouldn't also try to convince them (or try to convince them to
convince their employer/system administrator) to use non-broken software.

Regards,
Tristan

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/ |`-' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= <> In a haiku, so it's hard
(7_\\ http://www.nothingisreal.com/ >< To finish what you

Re: Outlook Express and OpenPGP/MIME

This is a MIME GnuPG-signed message. If you see this text, it means that
your E-mail or Usenet software does not support MIME signed messages.
The Internet standard for MIME PGP messages, RFC 2015, was published in 1996.
To open this message correctly you will need to install E-mail or Usenet
software that supports modern Internet standards.

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Content-Disposition: inline
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Tristan Miller writes:

> Greetings.
>
> In article , David F. Skoll wrote:
>> Matt Westfall wrote:
>>
>>> stop using PGP/MIME use Inline Signature / Encryption
>>
>> Why? Why should people accomodate those who use
>> broken software?
>
> Because some people do not have the choice to use non-broken software. We

Sucks to be them, I guess.

> can lecture them about the stupidity of Outlook Express until we're blue
> in the mouth, but if they don't have administrator privileges on the
> machine there's not much they can do about it.

Again -- the missing piece from your explanation is why should everyone else
give a fsck.

> If it were possible to configure my e-mail client to use inline rather than
> OpenPGP/MIME signing when replying to messages that include an "X-Mailer:
> Microsoft Outlook Express" header, I would probably do it. That doesn't
> mean I wouldn't also try to convince them (or try to convince them to
> convince their employer/system administrator) to use non-broken software.

Then don't.


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