SuSE 10.0 and it"s RPM 4.1.1??

Greetings: A Slackware junkie all my Linux life, I'm just now
"playing" with other distributions that use RPM..

At first I thought, piece of cake, invoking rpm -i package.rpm;
slick..

That didn't last, when I tried installing a package that didn't play
ball, and opened Pandora's box of queries.. Man rpm shed some light,
what I understood, so I pulled a book I had covering Red Hat 6.2 -
rather old, but just maybe??

rpm -i package.rpm - returns "warning: package.rpm: V3 DSA signature:
NOKEY, key ID [octet of characters]
error: Failed dependencies: (with a list of no less than 15 of them
reporting the exact library needed...)

First off, I didn't know what V3 DSA meant, but the missing
dependencies are fairly normal these days.. I had some work ahead of
me but the RedHat book said to use rpm -q --redhatprovides
and it would list the base package needed.. This is
not RedHat, of course, but there is a --provides flag that didn't
return anything except that the package was missing.. I tried that
entering a library that's either in /lib or /usr/lib, and it returned
"Package not installed." I'm presuming this has been changed for, at
least, libraries.. Or--is it the NOKEY thingy?? Stumped!!

BTW the subject package was fetched from rpm.pbone.net, whereas the
rpm's installed previous to that were ones in the SuSE distribution
package.. That has to have a lot to do with it, IMHO...

Is there a tutorial that explains this better than the man?? TIA.

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Re: SuSE 10.0 and it"s RPM 4.1.1??

On 04-06, SOTL wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:10 am, Hal MacArgle wrote:
> > Greetings: A Slackware junkie all my Linux life, I'm just now
> > "playing" with other distributions that use RPM..
> >
> > At first I thought, piece of cake, invoking rpm -i package.rpm;
> > slick..
> >
> > That didn't last, when I tried installing a package that didn't play
> > ball, and opened Pandora's box of queries.. Man rpm shed some light,
> > what I understood, so I pulled a book I had covering Red Hat 6.2 -
> > rather old, but just maybe??
> >
> > rpm -i package.rpm - returns "warning: package.rpm: V3 DSA signature:
> > NOKEY, key ID [octet of characters]
> > error: Failed dependencies: (with a list of no less than 15 of them
> > reporting the exact library needed...)
> >
> > First off, I didn't know what V3 DSA meant, but the missing
> > dependencies are fairly normal these days.. I had some work ahead of
> > me but the RedHat book said to use rpm -q --redhatprovides
> > and it would list the base package needed.. This is
> > not RedHat, of course, but there is a --provides flag that didn't
> > return anything except that the package was missing.. I tried that
> > entering a library that's either in /lib or /usr/lib, and it returned
> > "Package not installed." I'm presuming this has been changed for, at
> > least, libraries.. Or--is it the NOKEY thingy?? Stumped!!
> >
> > BTW the subject package was fetched from rpm.pbone.net, whereas the
> > rpm's installed previous to that were ones in the SuSE distribution
> > package.. That has to have a lot to do with it, IMHO...
> >
> > Is there a tutorial that explains this better than the man?? TIA.
>
> If I recall correctly RPM stands for Red Hat Package Manager which I believe
> is uses by Fedora/Redhat and FreeMandriva/Mandriva/Mandrake.

True AFAIK; plus others including Slackware that has the rpm
program but warns us that it doesn't work with all apps... Open
Source keeps us on our toes, eh?? Could it be with SuSe that it means
something like Reliable Package Manager, instead of RedHat Package
Manager?? Stranger things have happened.. The study of acronyms is
another PhD dissertation..




> Not sure on this but I believe that SuSE uses a different package system which
> is not compatable with Red Hat's.

This is what I really needed to know.. "RPM" is not,
necessarily, "RPM"... Open Source again??




> I am sure that Debian uses a different system which is also used by Ubuntu and
> Kubuntu.

Yes; ".deb" and it too probably works with other
distributions unknown by me.. It's getting much more complicated than
when I first found Linux after years of Unix...




> If what you are doing is what I infer from your title that you are trying to
> install RPM into a SuSE system then I do not believe even if there were no
> issues with the package manager that it would work as Red Hat and SuSE do
> things internally sufficiently different that the only package that I am
> aware of that will run equally on both system is OpenOffice.org's Office
> package which basically puts all libraries and all components into a separate
> root directory with no integration. Since this is not the Linux/Unix way but
> is the MS way which OO is emulating I do not believe that you will find any
> other package that will install and run in a equivalent way.Thus I believe
> that it may be best to find the correct SuSE package for installation. From
> past experience not with SuSE but other distributions if you do not you are
> simply asking for problems.

More or less, simply, I've been looking for a distribution
that supports streaming video including editing, etc, not that I want
the M$ route either.. It's obviously extremely complicated so I'm
going to build on what I have already using Slackware 10.2, kernel
2.4.31... Skirting around to other distributions to make it "simple"
just hasn't happened.. My mind was definately made up when I tried
yet another .rpm package that needed 25 extra dependencies, most of
which I already had in either /lib or /usr/lib and I have no idea why
the package didn't find them... It's moot now...

Appreciate your comments; you did confirm one big suspicion..


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Re: SuSE 10.0 and it"s RPM 4.1.1??

On 04-06, Dr. Edgar Alwers wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 April 2006 17:10, Hal MacArgle wrote:
> > Greetings: A Slackware junkie all my Linux life, I'm just now
> > "playing" with other distributions that use RPM..
> >
> > At first I thought, piece of cake, invoking rpm -i package.rpm;
> > slick..
> >
> > That didn't last, when I tried installing a package that didn't play
> > ball, and opened Pandora's box of queries.. Man rpm shed some light,
> > what I understood, so I pulled a book I had covering Red Hat 6.2 -
> > rather old, but just maybe??
> >
> > rpm -i package.rpm - returns "warning: package.rpm: V3 DSA signature:
> > NOKEY, key ID [octet of characters]
> > error: Failed dependencies: (with a list of no less than 15 of them
> > reporting the exact library needed...)
> >
> > First off, I didn't know what V3 DSA meant, but the missing
> > dependencies are fairly normal these days.. I had some work ahead of
> > me but the RedHat book said to use rpm -q --redhatprovides
> > and it would list the base package needed.. This is
> > not RedHat, of course, but there is a --provides flag that didn't
> > return anything except that the package was missing.. I tried that
> > entering a library that's either in /lib or /usr/lib, and it returned
> > "Package not installed." I'm presuming this has been changed for, at
> > least, libraries.. Or--is it the NOKEY thingy?? Stumped!!
> >
> > BTW the subject package was fetched from rpm.pbone.net, whereas the
> > rpm's installed previous to that were ones in the SuSE distribution
> > package.. That has to have a lot to do with it, IMHO...
> >
> > Is there a tutorial that explains this better than the man?? TIA.
>
> Up to now I thought I would understand english fairly good. Withouth being
> nasty, I did not understand at all the subject.

Greetings and I apologize profusely for the American slang..
Maybe it's my way to prove I'm not getting senile.. When my
grandchildren and great-grandchildren talk to me I don't understand
90% of what they say.. Some fault me for no details that I
tried to circumvent this time.. I failed.. My relatives in the UK and
Scotland say that Americans haven't spoken Englisch for years...

The query has been answered, mostly, in that it seems that
the .rpm files of different distributions are not, in all cases,
exactly the same, or, at least, not all will run cross distributions.




> Is it too much to ask for a short description of the problem
> instead of so much literature?

Maybe I should have had separate queries?? I still can't find
what V3 DSA signature means, except that it has something to do with
security.. Why I got that report is unknown especially since this
machine is not and never will be connected to a LAN or WAN..
Basically; I was completely confused as to why I could not install a
..rpm file, unmarked as to distribution, into SuSE.. That seems to be
answered..




> what is a piece of cake, what ball playing package did you install,
> what box of queries did you open and so on ?

American slang again; very sorry... I'll try to be better in
the future.. Can I use "cool" when talking about Linux??

BTW; I hope it didn't come across that I was complaining about
SuSE and/or RPM, both superb.. It's just that Open Source has made
many things more complicated inasmuch as we are all different in the
way we think and act..




> Never mind, Edgar
>
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> Weinheim

You are from DE land so I must mention that five of my
neighbours emigrated from there many years ago.. Our little
"community" is called Birchesgarten.. I'll have to admit that we
don't "understand" each other all of the time...

Very best regards,

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Re: SuSE 10.0 and it"s RPM 4.1.1??

On Friday 07 April 2006 20:56, Hal MacArgle wrote:
> Greetings and I apologize profusely for the American slang..
> Maybe it's my way to prove I'm not getting senile.. When my
> grandchildren and great-grandchildren talk to me I don't understand
> 90% of what they say..

Well, I am very surprised, you seem to be of my generation. I thought, you
were in the age of twenty and this would explain some things. I share your
problems with my grandchildren people ;-)

> My relatives in the UK and
> Scotland
.....and some friends in old Germany ....
> say that Americans haven't spoken Englisch for years...

Nice you took my comments with so much humor. I must apologize, as it was very
late, I was very tired, and well...,

> You are from DE land so I must mention that five of my
> neighbours emigrated from there many years ago.. Our little
> "community" is called Birchesgarten..

Rename to "Biergarten" or "Weingarten" and I will visit you very soon ! I
could even think on emigrating too ;-)

Regards,
Edgar

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Re: SuSE 10.0 and it"s RPM 4.1.1??

Hal -- I was hoping you'd get feedback from some RPM user who could
answer your questions directly. As you may recall, I'm exclusively a
Debian user these days. But I think I may be able to help with some of
your confusion. And since I gather that Edgar's off-list reply didn't
cover everything you were looking for, I'll give it a try below.

Hal MacArgle wrote:
> On 04-06, SOTL wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:10 am, Hal MacArgle wrote:
>>
>>>Greetings: A Slackware junkie all my Linux life, I'm just now
>>>"playing" with other distributions that use RPM..
>>>
>>>At first I thought, piece of cake, invoking rpm -i package.rpm;
>>>slick..
>>>
>>>That didn't last, when I tried installing a package that didn't play
>>>ball, and opened Pandora's box of queries.. Man rpm shed some light,
>>>what I understood, so I pulled a book I had covering Red Hat 6.2 -
>>>rather old, but just maybe??
>>>
>>>rpm -i package.rpm - returns "warning: package.rpm: V3 DSA signature:
>>>NOKEY, key ID [octet of characters]
>>>error: Failed dependencies: (with a list of no less than 15 of them
>>>reporting the exact library needed...)
>>>
>>>First off, I didn't know what V3 DSA meant,

This is probably a digial signature of some sort,intended to prevent
package spoofing. About a year ago, Debian added digital authentication
to its package sites, and as a result, I routinely have to override it
when installing or upgrading packages from unofficial Debian archives.
Since you say you were trying to install a package that is not part of
the offifial distro you were working with, you most likely ran into
something similar that the RPMers are doing now.

but the missing
>>>dependencies are fairly normal these days.. I had some work ahead of
>>>me but the RedHat book said to use rpm -q --redhatprovides
>>> and it would list the base package needed.. This is
>>>not RedHat, of course, but there is a --provides flag that didn't
>>>return anything except that the package was missing.. I tried that
>>>entering a library that's either in /lib or /usr/lib, and it returned
>>>"Package not installed." I'm presuming this has been changed for, at
>>>least, libraries.. Or--is it the NOKEY thingy?? Stumped!!
>>>
>>>BTW the subject package was fetched from rpm.pbone.net, whereas the
>>>rpm's installed previous to that were ones in the SuSE distribution
>>>package.. That has to have a lot to do with it, IMHO...
>>>
>>>Is there a tutorial that explains this better than the man?? TIA.
>>
>>If I recall correctly RPM stands for Red Hat Package Manager which I believe
>>is uses by Fedora/Redhat and FreeMandriva/Mandriva/Mandrake.
>
> True AFAIK; plus others including Slackware that has the rpm
> program but warns us that it doesn't work with all apps... Open
> Source keeps us on our toes, eh?? Could it be with SuSe that it means
> something like Reliable Package Manager, instead of RedHat Package
> Manager?? Stranger things have happened.. The study of acronyms is
> another PhD dissertation..
>
>>Not sure on this but I believe that SuSE uses a different package system which
>>is not compatable with Red Hat's.
>
> This is what I really needed to know.. "RPM" is not,
> necessarily, "RPM"... Open Source again??
>
>>I am sure that Debian uses a different system which is also used by Ubuntu and
>>Kubuntu.
>
> Yes; ".deb" and it too probably works with other
> distributions unknown by me.. It's getting much more complicated than
> when I first found Linux after years of Unix...

Quick history lesson: Pretty much all distros that are still around
derive from one of three origins:

1. Slackware really has no modern descendents, but it is the oldest
branch that's still active. I believe it still uses .tgz packages
natively. In a sense, I suppose it (or its anscestors, SLS, Yggdrasil,
and perhaps others I've forgotten) spawned everything else, but Red Hat
and Debian diverged so fundamentally from Slackware et al. ... for
example, abandoning its BSD-style init structure for a SysV structure
.... that it's hard to see them as derived from Slackware, even beyond
the difference in package managers.

2. Red Hat spawned SuSE, Mandrake, Connectiva, and a ton of others,
identifiable by their use of the RPM package manager (which still stands
for RedHar Package Manager, as far as I know)/

3. Debian spawned Knoppix, Ubuntu, DSL, and a bunch of others,
identifiable by their use of the .deb packaging format and one or
another of the Debian package management systems (dpkg, apt, and the like).

That said, the fact that two distros use the same package manager does
NOT mean their packages are interchangeable. All distros have their own
quirks, in areas like distro-specific kernel patches, slight variation
in "what goes where" conventions (like /bin vs /usr/bin), customized
init scripts, vert distinctive installers, and probably more. Package
naming is not standardized either, so a package from one distro might
fail to find in a different distro a file it depends on because the
package name for the file is different.

Cross installing, even between two distros that use the same
package-management system, is generally considered an expert task. In
Debian, even installing across flavors (e.g., trying to install a
package from Unstable on a Stable or Testing system) is tricky.

These days, all good distros cross support one another's package
managers, either directly or using a "translator" application like
alien. But resolving dependencies remains messy.

>>If what you are doing is what I infer from your title that you are trying to
>>install RPM into a SuSE system then I do not believe even if there were no
>>issues with the package manager that it would work as Red Hat and SuSE do
>>things internally sufficiently different that the only package that I am
>>aware of that will run equally on both system is OpenOffice.org's Office
>>package which basically puts all libraries and all components into a separate
>>root directory with no integration. Since this is not the Linux/Unix way but
>>is the MS way which OO is emulating I do not believe that you will find any
>>other package that will install and run in a equivalent way.Thus I believe
>>that it may be best to find the correct SuSE package for installation. From
>>past experience not with SuSE but other distributions if you do not you are
>>simply asking for problems.
>
>
> More or less, simply, I've been looking for a distribution
> that supports streaming video including editing, etc, not that I want
> the M$ route either.. It's obviously extremely complicated

Yeah, no kidding.

Pretty much any major distro will support video capture from a TV-tuner
card, probably with a version of mplayer/mencoder (though patent, DRM,
and/or licensing messiness may keep the relevant packages outside the
official distribution, as happens with Debian). If you want this sort of
capture with a pretty interface, look at MythTV, which is (to my eye)
best suited to the short-term time-shifting uses that TiVos are also
best at ... though some use it to do capture for long-term storage.

Editors come and go, and I've never found one I like as much as
VirtualDub, a freeware editor that is Windows only. There are several
around though ... the term you want to search on is "non-linear editor".
The Debian-Sid package archive currently lists a gstreamer plugin, kino,
and pitivi. There are probably others not in Debian.

"Streaming" is a pretty open-ended term, so I'm not exactly sure what
you want to achieve (getting video streams from the Internet? attaching
a host to your TV set and having it play video stored on a server
elsewhere on your LAN? multicasting a video stream across your LAN so
several locations in your home show the same show? putting a DVD in one
host and having it play back on another? something else?). Be more
specific here and I'll be happy to give you whatever more advice I can
(I've been using my Linux server as a TiVo-like backend for several
years now, but I don't have any significant experience with files
downloaded from streaming sites on the Internet).

> so I'm
> going to build on what I have already using Slackware 10.2, kernel
> 2.4.31... Skirting around to other distributions to make it "simple"
> just hasn't happened.. My mind was definately made up when I tried
> yet another .rpm package that needed 25 extra dependencies, most of
> which I already had in either /lib or /usr/lib and I have no idea why
> the package didn't find them... It's moot now...

As I said above, the problem with dependencies is probably variation in
package names.

Usually, if you need to install a package from the upstream provider,
rather than the distro itself, the provider will be fairly specific
about what distro/version a particular .rpm (or .deb) is designed to
work with. At least that's my experience with upstream .deb packages.
Color inside the lines and its a piece of cake; ignore posted
limitations at your own risk.

If the upstream provider doesn't have a package that matches your
distro, you typically have to install from source or from a .tgz (and
fix any real dependency issues by hand). Again, not really a newbie task
(yeah, I know you are no more a newbie than I am, Hal, but this *is* a
beginners' list).

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Re: SuSE 10.0 and it"s RPM 4.1.1??

On 4/8/06, Hal MacArgle wrote:
> > If I recall correctly RPM stands for Red Hat Package Manager which I believe
> > is uses by Fedora/Redhat and FreeMandriva/Mandriva/Mandrake.
>
> True AFAIK; plus others including Slackware that has the rpm
> program but warns us that it doesn't work with all apps... Open
> Source keeps us on our toes, eh?? Could it be with SuSe that it means
> something like Reliable Package Manager, instead of RedHat Package
> Manager?? Stranger things have happened.. The study of acronyms is
> another PhD dissertation..

Believe it or not, RPM stands for RPM Package Manager.

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Re: SuSE 10.0 and it"s RPM 4.1.1??

On 04-07, Ray Olszewski wrote:
> Hal -- I was hoping you'd get feedback from some RPM user who could
> answer your questions directly. As you may recall, I'm exclusively a
> Debian user these days. But I think I may be able to help with some of
> your confusion. And since I gather that Edgar's off-list reply didn't
> cover everything you were looking for, I'll give it a try below.

My original query has been answered by others are well as
this message.. Completely.. I have another one that deserves a
separate post but, meanwhile, will annotate this thread, clipping
much..




> >>>First off, I didn't know what V3 DSA meant,
>
> This is probably a digial signature of some sort,intended to prevent
> package spoofing. About a year ago, Debian added digital authentication
> to its package sites, and as a result, I routinely have to override it
> when installing or upgrading packages from unofficial Debian archives.
> Since you say you were trying to install a package that is not part of
> the offifial distro you were working with, you most likely ran into
> something similar that the RPMers are doing now.

The "crackers" have ruined the INet as I used to know it..
Firewalls and filters really don't work, perfectly.. My 50-100
unwanted messages a day are more easily given the big "D" from Mutt,
IMHO... Safer?? My ISP runs Spam Assassin and I hate to think how
many it might be without it...




> >>Not sure on this but I believe that SuSE uses a different package system
> >>which is not compatable with Red Hat's.

That seems to be the case unless for very simple code.. Which
and what dependencies seem to be the biggest problem..




> Quick history lesson: Pretty much all distros that are still around
> derive from one of three origins:
>
> 1. Slackware really has no modern descendents, but it is the oldest
> branch that's still active. I believe it still uses .tgz packages
> natively. In a sense, I suppose it (or its anscestors, SLS, Yggdrasil,
> and perhaps others I've forgotten) spawned everything else, but Red Hat
> and Debian diverged so fundamentally from Slackware et al. ... for
> example, abandoning its BSD-style init structure for a SysV structure
> .. that it's hard to see them as derived from Slackware, even beyond
> the difference in package managers.

I keep "coming back" to Slackware and it's a fact that
Patrick is conservative especially since he's battling a serious
illness.. His cause is much strengthened by the existence of
www.linuxpackages.net that contains many, many binary compiles of so
many programs for each Slackware version all in .tgz format... Maybe
when you're not "first" you try harder??




> That said, the fact that two distros use the same package manager does
> NOT mean their packages are interchangeable. All distros have their own
> quirks, in areas like distro-specific kernel patches, slight variation
> in "what goes where" conventions (like /bin vs /usr/bin), customized
> init scripts, vert distinctive installers, and probably more. Package
> naming is not standardized either, so a package from one distro might
> fail to find in a different distro a file it depends on because the
> package name for the file is different.

I now know what others have experienced..




> These days, all good distros cross support one another's package
> managers, either directly or using a "translator" application like
> alien. But resolving dependencies remains messy.

For sure and "alien" is a new one on me to tuck into my grey
cells.. With programs running into millions of lines of code; I think
it works pretty well, bottom line..




> Editors come and go, and I've never found one I like as much as
> VirtualDub, a freeware editor that is Windows only. There are several
> around though ... the term you want to search on is "non-linear editor".
> The Debian-Sid package archive currently lists a gstreamer plugin, kino,
> and pitivi. There are probably others not in Debian.

Since moving video is so complicated; trying each and every
one in turn has to be counter-productive.. I learn as I go... I
fetched Virtual Dub and the author very savvy but I don't want to run
any M$ stuff if I can help it..




> "Streaming" is a pretty open-ended term, so I'm not exactly sure what
> you want to achieve (getting video streams from the Internet? attaching
> a host to your TV set and having it play video stored on a server
> elsewhere on your LAN? multicasting a video stream across your LAN so
> several locations in your home show the same show? putting a DVD in one
> host and having it play back on another? something else?). Be more
> specific here and I'll be happy to give you whatever more advice I can
> (I've been using my Linux server as a TiVo-like backend for several
> years now, but I don't have any significant experience with files
> downloaded from streaming sites on the Internet).

My desires are relatively simple these days: Fetch an
analogue, or view a "movie" from a VHS or DVD player; creat a file
that can be viewed again at a later date; convert this file to a
suite of files that can, in turn, burn a DVD playable on a standard
ubiquitous stand alone DVD player.. Plus, do some simple edits to the
files somewhere, that escapes me at present. I've been able to do
this with much help from you and Chuck so am, now, trying to increase
the quality of the end product, and, in the process, learn more about
digital video.. I need no INet exposure except for downloading
occasional files, especially since we're really rural telco lines so
slow speed thruput is a norm.. I do have a machine in town that can
connect to an ADSL line but for downloads only; bringing the files
home via sneaker net..




> Usually, if you need to install a package from the upstream provider,
> rather than the distro itself, the provider will be fairly specific
> about what distro/version a particular .rpm (or .deb) is designed to
> work with. At least that's my experience with upstream .deb packages.

I've noticed this __trend__ these days but I can't get over
the fact that we used to suffer with dumb terminal/main frames and
celebrated when we were able to get our "work" into our own
building... Plus, IMHO, the longer we are connected the bigger the
cracker profile.. Just an opinion of course.




> If the upstream provider doesn't have a package that matches your
> distro, you typically have to install from source or from a .tgz (and
> fix any real dependency issues by hand). Again, not really a newbie task
> (yeah, I know you are no more a newbie than I am, Hal, but this *is* a
> beginners' list).

Ray, I've noticed that what I know this week is less than
what I knew last week.. With computers anyway... Another,
separate subject, post follows; I hope I haven't outlived any
welcomes..

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Re: SuSE 10.0 and it"s RPM 4.1.1??

On 4/9/06, SOTL wrote:
> On Saturday 08 April 2006 03:57 am, you wrote:
[...]
> > Believe it or not, RPM stands for RPM Package Manager.
> >
>
> Keep on Dreaming
>
> Original meaning was RedHat Package Manager.
>
> SOTL

That may well be, but according to
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom -guide/ch-rpm.html,
RPM stands for RPM Package Manager.

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Re: SuSE 10.0 and it"s RPM 4.1.1??

On 4/10/06, Yawar Amin wrote:
> That may well be, but according to
> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom -guide/ch-rpm.html,
> RPM stands for RPM Package Manager.

;that's funny, because an earlier version manual [0] on the same sites says:

"Red Hat Package Manager (RPM), is an open packaging system available
for anyone to use, and works on both Red Hat Linux as well as other
Linux and UNIX systems."

[0] http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-5.0-Manual/user -guide/doc059.html

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