I've noticed that it requires XP/2000 (or OS X). Can anyone tell me why it
wouldn't work with Win98 (IE6)? I've never heard of a site that writes to
the OS and the browser rather than just the browser, and I don't know enough
about writing modern Web sites to understand the connection with the OS.
Thanks.
This is a MIME GnuPG-signed message. If you see this text, it means that
your E-mail or Usenet software does not support MIME signed messages.
The Internet standard for MIME PGP messages, RFC 2015, was published in 1996.
To open this message correctly you will need to install E-mail or Usenet
software that supports modern Internet standards.
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Milhouse Van Houten writes:
> I've noticed that it requires XP/2000 (or OS X). Can anyone tell me why it
> wouldn't work with Win98 (IE6)? I've never heard of a site that writes to
> the OS and the browser rather than just the browser, and I don't know enough
> about writing modern Web sites to understand the connection with the OS.
There is none.
A properly designed web site should work with any browser, and any operating
system.
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:35:12 -0500, Sam
>Milhouse Van Houten writes:
>
>> I've noticed that it requires XP/2000 (or OS X). Can anyone tell me why
>> it
>> wouldn't work with Win98 (IE6)? I've never heard of a site that writes
>> to
>> the OS and the browser rather than just the browser, and I don't know
>> enough
>> about writing modern Web sites to understand the connection with the OS.
>
>There is none.
>
>A properly designed web site should work with any browser, and any
>operating
>system.
That's what I thought, but I wonder why they're doing this then? Since
they're not exactly communicative, I don't know if this is only a beta
limitation. I guess that would make the most sense, since the Internet is
not exactly rolling in sites that don't work with Win98, no matter how fancy
they are.
BTW, when I noticed in OE that your messages show as attachments (dat, txt),
I looked at the header and found this:
This is a MIME GnuPG-signed message. If you see this text, it means that
your E-mail or Usenet software does not support MIME signed messages.
The Internet standard for MIME PGP messages, RFC 2015, was published in
1996.
To open this message correctly you will need to install E-mail or Usenet
software that supports modern Internet standards.
What's the advantage of posting this way to Usenet considering that OE may
be the most popular news reader on the planet (good or bad, that's the way
it is)? Fortunately, I've never seen this problem before, so it's not
popular.
This is a MIME GnuPG-signed message. If you see this text, it means that
your E-mail or Usenet software does not support MIME signed messages.
The Internet standard for MIME PGP messages, RFC 2015, was published in 1996.
To open this message correctly you will need to install E-mail or Usenet
software that supports modern Internet standards.
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Milhouse Van Houten writes:
> On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:35:12 -0500, Sam
>
>>Milhouse Van Houten writes:
>>
>>> I've noticed that it requires XP/2000 (or OS X). Can anyone tell me why
>>> it
>>> wouldn't work with Win98 (IE6)? I've never heard of a site that writes
>>> to
>>> the OS and the browser rather than just the browser, and I don't know
>>> enough
>>> about writing modern Web sites to understand the connection with the OS.
>>
>>There is none.
>>
>>A properly designed web site should work with any browser, and any
>>operating
>>system.
>
> That's what I thought, but I wonder why they're doing this then?
Because they are incompetent.
They do not really understand HTML, and other web development technologies.
So they use prepacked bugware to develop their web site, and the bugware
depends on bugs in a narrow selection of Microsoft shitware. Only in the
presence of those bugs would the output of that bugware work "correctly"
(for some arbitrary definition of "correctly").
> BTW, when I noticed in OE that your messages show as attachments (dat, txt),
> I looked at the header and found this:
>
> This is a MIME GnuPG-signed message. If you see this text, it means that
> your E-mail or Usenet software does not support MIME signed messages.
> The Internet standard for MIME PGP messages, RFC 2015, was published in
> 1996.
> To open this message correctly you will need to install E-mail or Usenet
> software that supports modern Internet standards.
>
> What's the advantage of posting this way to Usenet considering that OE may
> be the most popular news reader on the planet (good or bad, that's the way
> it is)?
Because I really don't give a flip about OE, and the fact that Microsoft
known about this bug in their crapware for six years, without doing anything
about it.
> Fortunately, I've never seen this problem before, so it's not
> popular.
You're simply not hanging around in the right circles.
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:53:07 -0500, Sam
>> BTW, when I noticed in OE that your messages show as attachments (dat,
>> txt),
>> I looked at the header and found this:
>>
>> This is a MIME GnuPG-signed message. If you see this text, it means that
>> your E-mail or Usenet software does not support MIME signed messages.
>> The Internet standard for MIME PGP messages, RFC 2015, was published in
>> 1996.
>> To open this message correctly you will need to install E-mail or Usenet
>> software that supports modern Internet standards.
>>
>> What's the advantage of posting this way to Usenet considering that OE
>> may
>> be the most popular news reader on the planet (good or bad, that's the
>> way
>> it is)?
>
>Because I really don't give a flip about OE, and the fact that Microsoft
>known about this bug in their crapware for six years, without doing
>anything
>about it.
OK, but I'm just a little unclear what the advantage is to a signed (PGP)
message that's intentionally posted to a public forum. I always understood
PGP to be for person-to-person messaging (email), where the purpose is
privacy.
Incidentally, I checked into MS's plans for the successor to OE, which is
Windows Mail in Vista. They have no plans to add the feature, so you can
look forward to years more of most people not reading your messages with
ease.
"Milhouse Van Houten"
> OK, but I'm just a little unclear what the advantage is to a signed
> (PGP) message that's intentionally posted to a public forum. I
> always understood PGP to be for person-to-person messaging (email),
> where the purpose is privacy.
Authentication. You can know with certainty who wrote the message --
he leaves traces (via his private key) to say he wrote it, which your
mailer can verify (using his public key).
> Incidentally, I checked into MS's plans for the successor to OE,
> which is Windows Mail in Vista. They have no plans to add the
> feature, so you can look forward to years more of most people not
> reading your messages with ease.
Or we can look forward to years of gradual shearing down of OE's
presence as more and more people move past aging crapware when they
discover just how much OE can't do.
OE is already aged, and a crime against man, nature, and computer
science. That people still use it is a dreadful social statement.
This is a MIME GnuPG-signed message. If you see this text, it means that
your E-mail or Usenet software does not support MIME signed messages.
The Internet standard for MIME PGP messages, RFC 2015, was published in 1996.
To open this message correctly you will need to install E-mail or Usenet
software that supports modern Internet standards.
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Milhouse Van Houten writes:
>
> Incidentally, I checked into MS's plans for the successor to OE, which is
> Windows Mail in Vista. They have no plans to add the feature, so you can
> look forward to years more of most people not reading your messages with
> ease.
*** WHOOSH!!!! ***
That's the sound of a major point going completely over your head.
Guess what? Many other E-mail clients, like Mozilla Thunderbird, don't
implement MIME-PGP either, but have absolutely no problems whatsoever with
displaying PGP-signed mail.
If you were to open this message in Thunderbird, I will guarantee you that
it will look exactly like any other, non-PGP, message. This text would just
pop up in the window wherever message text normally pops up.
This is because, unlike Microsoft's shitware, Thunderbird properly
implements the relevant Internet MIME standards. Any mail client will have
no issues whasoever reading signed mail, as long as the mail client properly
implements MIME. PGP-signed mail is fully MIME-compliant, and any
MIME-aware mail client will have absolutely no problems with it. MIME-aware
mail client will automatically recognize that there's something in the
message that they do not understand, and skip over it, showing just the MIME
parts that they do understand, namely the main message text.
As I told you, what part of "this is a bug in Outlook Express" do you not
understand? It has nothing to do, whatsoever, with support, or lack of,
digitally signed mail. This is a known bug: broken MIME parsing in Outlook.
And members of the Microsoft fan club have been whining about it for years,
making fools of themselves by not understanding that this is a well-known
Microsoft bug (for some reason, it never occurs to Microsoft weenies that
there might be, just might be, a goodnest-to-honest bug in Microsoft's
shitware).
And you didn't need to tell me that Microsoft does not consider it a
priority to properly support commodity Internet standards, in favor of some
proprietary Microsoft-only shit that barely does the same thing. This would
not be a tough guess to make.
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OK, OK, you've explained it fully now so I am able to get your point. I
didn't realize (and you didn't say before) that the feature doesn't need to
be present for other clients to still display those messages properly. In
that case, who knows, it very well might be fixed in Windows Mail, since the
only comment I saw from MS was that they won't be adding the PGP/gpg
"feature." Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger, and having nothing vested
in this beyond idle curiosity, and perhaps more people being able to read
what you write with what they have.