Fetchmail/Sendmail/Procmail, and Majordomo?
Fetchmail/Sendmail/Procmail, and Majordomo?
am 22.04.2006 06:42:34 von Reestit Mutton
LOL!!!
Yep, the first three sing beautiful harmony, but now I'm contemplating
the hosting of a small email list. And this won't be a quartet, but
rather a trio with a soloist/lead_singer.
Majordomo wants first of all to know what machine it's running on, but
it won't be running on a directly connected server. This means it'll be
dealing with at least Fetchmail, though probably not Sendmail except for
doing smtp. Outgoing won't be a problem, I think, but incoming will
require that I set up an 'xxx@yyy.zzz there is aaa@bbb.ccc here and
wants'... what, majordomo?
Has anyone run an email list from a private box with incoming via an ISP
through popmail? If so, am I scaring myself here or are there real
problems?
Thanks for reading,
Longfellow
OT Troll Sighting! was Fetchmail/Sendmail/Procmail, and Majordomo?
am 22.04.2006 08:13:35 von Alan Connor
On comp.mail.misc, in <124jd1qd4kdfp88@corp.supernews.com>, "Longfellow" wrote:
http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/README.offline>
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
Longfellow
Results 1 - 100 of 317 posts in the last year
Nope. He posts that many times a _week_ (at least)
under various aliases. Bet my life on it.
1 Gmail-Problem-solving
1 alt.history.ancient-egypt
18 alt.horology
1 alt.math
1 alt.os.linux.slackware
10 bit.listserv.ibm-main
1 comp.editors
1 comp.graphics.apps.paint-shop-pro
3 comp.lang.c
3 comp.mail.misc
4 comp.mail.mutt
19 comp.os.linux.advocacy
My newsfilter kills all crossposts to advocacy groups
because they are all trolls' nests.
Bet it has killed a thousand from you (under various aliases).
2 comp.os.linux.misc
3 comp.periphs.printers
1 microsoft.public.fox.helpwanted
9 microsoft.public.fox.programmer.exchange
1 microsoft.public.fox.vfp.dbc
1 microsoft.public.fox.vfp.forms
1 microsoft.public.fox.vfp.grids
1 microsoft.public.fox.vfp.queries-sql
1 microsoft.public.fox.vfp.reports.printing
2 microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
1 rec.games.roguelike.nethack
2 rec.photo.digital
1 rec.woodworking
2 sci.astro.amateur
9 talk.origins
(You'd think that 'Longfellow' would subscribe to at least
one poetry group, wouldn't you? )
Typical cross-section of a sockpuppet's history: Too few posts
for an obvious Usenet pro, he couldn't resist posting to at least
one troll group with this alias, and the groups are much too
varied for a normal user with too few posts in most cases.
Why the hell post once in a year to rec.woodworking? (for
example)
(He could be using the "X-No-Archive: yes" header
much of the time with this alias. Most people on relatively
sane groups don't check the headers. But he knows people
do on these groups)
All trolls think they know everything about everything, so they
feel qualified to disrupt any group with whatever brain fart
crosses their mind at the moment. And they don't have to take
responsibility for it because they'll just drop an alias when
everyone has killfiled it and move to another.
And no posting IP in his headers.
TROLL
-----
[Note: I don't read the articles of "Sam" or his numerous
sockpuppets or his 'friends', nor any responses to them, and
haven't for years. He follows me all over the Usenet, and I
still don't read his articles. This _really_ pisses him off.
.]
Alan
--
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/contact.html
Other URLs of possible interest in my headers.
Re: OT Bigfoot Sighting! was Fetchmail/Sendmail/Procmail, and Majordomo?
am 22.04.2006 14:54:54 von Sam
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Usenet Beavis writes:
> On comp.mail.misc, in <124jd1qd4kdfp88@corp.supernews.com>, "Longfellow" wrote:
>
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
> Longfellow
> Results 1 - 100 of 317 posts in the last year
Results 1 - 10 of 23,300 for usenet beavis (0.32 seconds)
You win, Beavis.
> Nope. He posts that many times a _week_ (at least)
> under various aliases. Bet my life on it.
Nobody wants your sorry, miserable, washed-up life, Beavis. Only Bigfoot is
willing to be be friends with you.
> My newsfilter kills all crossposts to advocacy groups
> because they are all trolls' nests.
No, it doesn't, Beavis. You do not have a newsfilter, just a mental
disorder.
> Bet it has killed a thousand from you (under various aliases).
Bet you don't know how to use toilet paper, correctly.
> (You'd think that 'Longfellow' would subscribe to at least
> one poetry group, wouldn't you? )
And you would think that a Usenet Beavis would eventually figure out what
happens to the little light inside the refridgerator door.
> Why the hell post once in a year to rec.woodworking? (for
> example)
Dunno. Here's a better one. Why would a Usenet Beavis recommend using
'rsh' for remote logins over the Internet?
> All trolls think they know everything about everything, so they
Truer words were never spoken, Beavis. Tell us everything you know about
everything.
> And no posting IP in his headers.
Right. Most people, when the open a message, read its contents.
Beavis reads its headers, instead.
> [Note: it's not my fault that I'm a complete dumbass. I was dropped on my
> head as a child. See http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/kooks/ac/ for
> more information]
>
> Beavis
============================================================ ================
FAQ: Canonical list of questions Beavis refuses to answer (V1.50)
This is a canonical list of questions that Beavis never answers. This FAQ is
posted on a semi-regular schedule, as circumstances warrant.
For more information on Beavis, see:
http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/kooks/ac/
Although Beavis has been posting for a long time, he always remains silent
on the subjects enumerated below. His response, if any, usually consists of
replying to the parent post with a loud proclamation that his Usenet-reading
software runs a magical filter that automatically identifies anyone who's
making fun of him, and hides those offensive posts. For more information
see question #9 below.
============================================================ ================
1) If your Challenge-Response spam filter works so well, why are you munging
your address, when posting to Usenet?
2) If spammers avoid forging real E-mail addresses on spam, then where do
all these bounces everyone reports getting (for spam with their return
address was forged onto) come from?
3) If your Challenge-Response filter is so great, why do you still munge
when posting to Usenet?
4) Do you still believe that rsh is the best solution for remote access?
(http://tinyurl.com/5qqb6)
5) What is your evidence that everyone who disagrees with you, and thinks
that you're a moron, is a spammer?
6) How many different individuals do you believe really post to
comp.mail.misc? What is the evidence for your paranoid belief that everyone,
except you, who posts here is some unknown arch-nemesis of yours?
7) How many times, or how often, do you believe is necessary to announce
that you do not read someone's posts? What is your reason for making these
regularly-scheduled proclamations? Who do you believe is so interested in
keeping track of your Usenet-reading habits?
8) When was the last time you saw Bigfoot (http://tinyurl.com/23r3f)?
9) If your C-R system employs a spam filter so that it won't challenge spam,
then why does any of the mail that passes the filter, and is thusly presumed
not to be spam, need to be challenged?
10) You claim that the software you use to read Usenet magically identifies
any post that makes fun of you. In http://tinyurl.com/3swes you explain
that "What I get in my newsreader is a mock post with fake headers and no
body, except for the first parts of the Subject and From headers."
Since your headers indicate that you use slrn and, as far as anyone knows,
the stock slrn doesn't work that way, is this interesting patch to slrn
available for download anywhere?
11) You regularly post alleged logs of your procmail recipe autodeleting a
bunch of irrelevant mail that you've received. Why, and who exactly do you
believe is interested in your mail logs?
12) How exactly do you "enforce" an "order" to stay out of your mailbox,
supposedly (http://tinyurl.com/cs8jt)? Since you issue this "order" about
every week, or so, apparently nobody wants to follow it. What are you going
to do about it?
13) What's with your fascination with shit? (also http://tinyurl.com/cs8jt)?
14) You complain about some arch-nemesis of yours always posting forged
messages in your name. Can you come up with even a single URL, as an example
of what you're talking about?
15) You always complain about some mythical spammers that pretend to be
spamfighters (http://tinyurl.com/br4td). Who exactly are those people, and
can you post a copy of a spam that you supposedly received from them, that
proves that they're really spammers, and not spamfighters?
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Re: OT Troll Sighting! was Fetchmail/Sendmail/Procmail, and Majordomo?
am 22.04.2006 20:39:12 von Reestit Mutton
On 2006-04-22, Alan Connor wrote:
> On comp.mail.misc, in <124jd1qd4kdfp88@corp.supernews.com>, "Longfellow" wrote:
>
>
> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/README.offline>
ROFLMAO!!!!
> http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
> Longfellow
> Results 1 - 100 of 317 posts in the last year
Ah yes, I must remember to take a look at that...
> Nope. He posts that many times a _week_ (at least)
> under various aliases. Bet my life on it.
You lose. Proceed directly to the nearest Soylent Green processing
chamber and prepare to be rejected.
> 1 Gmail-Problem-solving
Nope.
> 1 alt.history.ancient-egypt
Yep.
> 18 alt.horology
Yep.
> 1 alt.math
Yep.
> 1 alt.os.linux.slackware
Yep.
> 10 bit.listserv.ibm-main
Nope.
> 1 comp.editors
Yep.
> 1 comp.graphics.apps.paint-shop-pro
Pulleeeze!!! Gimp Rulz.
> 3 comp.lang.c
Yep.
> 3 comp.mail.misc
That few?
> 4 comp.mail.mutt
Probably.
> 19 comp.os.linux.advocacy
No doubt.
> My newsfilter kills all crossposts to advocacy groups
> because they are all trolls' nests.
How nice for you.
> Bet it has killed a thousand from you (under various aliases).
>
>
> 2 comp.os.linux.misc
That few?
> 3 comp.periphs.printers
Yep.
> 1 microsoft.public.fox.helpwanted
> 9 microsoft.public.fox.programmer.exchange
> 1 microsoft.public.fox.vfp.dbc
> 1 microsoft.public.fox.vfp.forms
> 1 microsoft.public.fox.vfp.grids
> 1 microsoft.public.fox.vfp.queries-sql
> 1 microsoft.public.fox.vfp.reports.printing
> 2 microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Must be another "Longfellow" out there. I don't use Microsoft products.
> 1 rec.games.roguelike.nethack
> 2 rec.photo.digital
> 1 rec.woodworking
> 2 sci.astro.amateur
> 9 talk.origins
Sounds right.
> (You'd think that 'Longfellow' would subscribe to at least
> one poetry group, wouldn't you? )
Well, I'd have to found my own to achieve acceptable quality of
interaction, now wouldn't I...
> Typical cross-section of a sockpuppet's history: Too few posts
> for an obvious Usenet pro, he couldn't resist posting to at least
> one troll group with this alias, and the groups are much too
> varied for a normal user with too few posts in most cases.
Excellent deduction. I am nowhere near a "normal user".
> Why the hell post once in a year to rec.woodworking? (for
> example)
AC just spills the beans: He doesn't know how to read!!!
> (He could be using the "X-No-Archive: yes" header
> much of the time with this alias. Most people on relatively
> sane groups don't check the headers. But he knows people
> do on these groups)
Good grief...
> All trolls think they know everything about everything, so they
> feel qualified to disrupt any group with whatever brain fart
> crosses their mind at the moment. And they don't have to take
> responsibility for it because they'll just drop an alias when
> everyone has killfiled it and move to another.
AC seems to know so much about troll psychology, one would think he had
an insider's insights, wouldn't one? Longfellow, at least this one,
knows well his oceanic ignorance and seeks to alleviate that condition
on a regular basis. The Usenet is an excellent raw information
resource, the processing of which is often entertaining if not always
edifying.
Aliases are, in the words of one obvious aliase user, an excellent
Usenet HazMat suite: It keeps spam out of my ISP's filters. I need
only one.
> And no posting IP in his headers.
Like I manipulate this stuff? LOL!!!!
> TROLL
> -----
>
> [Note: I don't read the articles of "Sam" or his numerous
> sockpuppets or his 'friends', nor any responses to them, and
> haven't for years. He follows me all over the Usenet, and I
> still don't read his articles. This _really_ pisses him off.
>.]
>
> Alan
Mr. Conner has now earned yet another detractor. This coming winter,
when the long nights and grey skies darken my mood and move me to
consider evil, I shall try to remember him. A leisurely but thorough
search of Mr. Conner's cyber-doings should yield much of interest.
It will be a sordid sort of pleasure to target him all across his
domains. I shall even contemplate a variety of "aliases" to thwart his
"defenses"... no, wait: that's not necessary because he reliably
responds to each and every attack of which he boasts no knowledge
whatever.
Then again, my tolerance for fools grows less each passing year, and it
may be that he will once again recede from my ken, leaving me one less
onerous pollutant to avoid.
It must be said, however, that we should all remember that there, but
for the Grace of $DEITY, go each and every one of us. It is generally
considered humane to be gentle with the less fortunate who for whatever
reason possess brains limited to single digit neuron counts.
Pax, Mr. Conner. Modern medicine may yet provide you succor.
Now, all that said, has anyone any experience with majordomo behind an
ISP?
Thanks for any substantive responses to that last query.
Longfellow