tar vs dump

Hi All,

Which is more reliable and better for taking full and incremental
backups tar or dump. I like dump more but came across some articles on
the redhat website with references to emails from Linus which state
that dump should not be used for backup on a linux system.

Are there some free backup tools on linux which can take fast and
reliable full and incremental backups? I have been doing backup on
Solaris for years now and never had any issue with ufsdump, ufsrestore
and snapshots. Is it possible to get similar reliability on linux.

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Re: tar vs dump

On Tue, August 15, 2006 19:05, jassduec@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Which is more reliable and better for taking full and incremental
> backups tar or dump. I like dump more but came across some articles on
> the redhat website with references to emails from Linus which state
> that dump should not be used for backup on a linux system.
>
> Are there some free backup tools on linux which can take fast and
> reliable full and incremental backups? I have been doing backup on
> Solaris for years now and never had any issue with ufsdump, ufsrestore
> and snapshots. Is it possible to get similar reliability on linux.

I use BRU, it's not free but it's not expensive either. It's very
reliable, and does what you are asking. Nothing wrong with tar though.

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Re: tar vs dump

rdiff-backup is a good tool. It is free.

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Scott Taylor wrote:
> On Tue, August 15, 2006 19:05, jassduec@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Which is more reliable and better for taking full and incremental
>> backups tar or dump. I like dump more but came across some articles on
>> the redhat website with references to emails from Linus which state
>> that dump should not be used for backup on a linux system.
>>
>> Are there some free backup tools on linux which can take fast and
>> reliable full and incremental backups? I have been doing backup on
>> Solaris for years now and never had any issue with ufsdump, ufsrestore
>> and snapshots. Is it possible to get similar reliability on linux.
>>
>
> I use BRU, it's not free but it's not expensive either. It's very
> reliable, and does what you are asking. Nothing wrong with tar though.
>
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Re: tar vs dump

jassduec@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Which is more reliable and better for taking full and incremental
> backups tar or dump. I like dump more but came across some articles on
> the redhat website with references to emails from Linus which state
> that dump should not be used for backup on a linux system.
>
> Are there some free backup tools on linux which can take fast and
> reliable full and incremental backups? I have been doing backup on
> Solaris for years now and never had any issue with ufsdump, ufsrestore
> and snapshots. Is it possible to get similar reliability on linux.
>

Tar vs Dump invites a debate (flame war) thread, which has been overdone
& well documented in a variety of mail-lists, forums, howtos & books. If
you are using exotic file-systems or partition managers... Reiser,
XFS... LVM you should research alternatives to dump (xfsdump) relative
to your file system. If you like dump & understand how to use it on
"unmounted and read-only filesystems", there is little reason not to use
it for simple backups. Many examples of dump/restore schemes & scripts
exist for linux, and many admins are quite comfortable with it.

Is dump deprecated?
http://dump.sourceforge.net/isdumpdeprecated.html
SAmag - Managing Multi-File System Backup Using dump/restore
http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1185/sam9811b/9811b.htm

There are many backup schemes and tools, it really depends on the
application and environment. Backing up live systems, open files and
data bases can be complex & there are more than a few pitfalls which
many commercial apps try to resolve. In the end, you must do your own
homework & pick your poison.

A good collection of Linux Backup resources...
http://www.linux-backup.net/
http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/backup.htm

Some Backup Docs
http://www.backupcentral.com/thebook.html
http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/sag.html#BACKUPS-INTRO
http://www.seifried.org/security/index.php/Linux_Backup_Guid e
http://tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edit ion-v1.3/backup-rest.html
http://tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-The-Ult imate-Solution-v2.0.pdf
#pg787
http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWT O_:_Ch34_:_Basic_MySQL_Configuration#MySQL_Database_Backup

I have used find + cpio for years, very flexible (scriptable + excludes)
& can span partitions gets paths right.
# EXCLUDE='^./lost\+found$|\.rpm$'
# find /home -xdev -depth -print | egrep -v ${EXCLUDE} | cpio -dumpav
/mnt/backup
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jaxlug-list&m=11117785310180 8&w=2
http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/cpiocommand.htm

Cloning: dd, Images and MondoRescue can be useful...
Wonders of 'dd' and 'netcat': Cloning OS harddrives
http://www.rajeevnet.com/hacks_hints/os_clone/os_cloning.htm l
http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/saw27/notes/backup-hard-d isk-partitions.html
Mondo Rescue
http://www.mondorescue.org/about.shtml
http://www.systemimager.org/
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
Ghost for Linux + NTFS Disk Image Cloning - supports network imaging
http://directory.fsf.org/g4l.html
g4u - Harddisk Image Cloning for PCs - BSD based
http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/

Snapshots are another popular solution...
Create Incremental Snapshot-style Backups With rSync And SSH - HowtoForge
http://www.howtoforge.com/rsync_incremental_snapshot_backups
Easy Automated Snapshot-Style Backups with Rsync
http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/
rsnapshot HOWTO
http://www.rsnapshot.org/howto/1.2/rsnapshot-HOWTO.en.html
Dirvish - fast, disk based, rotating network backup system
http://www.dirvish.org
Configuring and Using Dirvish for Snapshot Backups
http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/dirvish_backup/

Bacula - the Network Backup Tool for Linux, Unix, and Windows
http://www.bacula.org/
http://www.amanda.org/

-HTH Art@JAX

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