what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?

am 21.09.2006 04:22:09 von arhooley

I emailed someone once (forget who) and I got an autoreply from some
anti-spam service saying to go supply my ID at some website. So I do
it, the person I was emailing apparently checks in at the site (maybe
she gets daily alerts or maybe she just goes there every day), okays my
ID, and I'm now whitelisted.

I like it because the spams don't even hit your mailbox ("Receiving 138
messages") and then get sent into a Spam folder.

Ring a bell with anyone? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Thanks.

Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?

am 21.09.2006 05:19:11 von Alan Connor

On comp.mail.misc, in
<1158805327.956105.98710@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"arhooley" wrote:

> I emailed someone once (forget who) and I got an autoreply
> from some anti-spam service saying to go supply my ID at some
> website. So I do it, the person I was emailing apparently
> checks in at the site (maybe she gets daily alerts or maybe
> she just goes there every day), okays my ID, and I'm now
> whitelisted.
>
> I like it because the spams don't even hit your mailbox
> ("Receiving 138 messages") and then get sent into a Spam
> folder.
>
> Ring a bell with anyone? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
>

It's called a Challenge-Response System. Here's a brief
introduction to the subject:

http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/cr.html

They work very well indeed.

Alan

--
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/contact.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/publickey.html

Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?

am 21.09.2006 05:32:24 von patrick

"arhooley" wrote in message
news:1158805327.956105.98710@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

> I emailed someone once (forget who) and I got an autoreply from some
> anti-spam service saying to go supply my ID at some website. So I do
> it, the person I was emailing apparently checks in at the site (maybe
> she gets daily alerts or maybe she just goes there every day), okays
> my ID, and I'm now whitelisted.
>
> I like it because the spams don't even hit your mailbox

Why were you sending her spam?

Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?

am 21.09.2006 06:25:02 von Alan Connor

On comp.mail.misc, in <4nefefF9vhb6U1@individual.net>, "Patrick"
wrote:

> "arhooley" wrote in message
> news:1158805327.956105.98710@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
>
>> I emailed someone once (forget who) and I got an autoreply
>> from some anti-spam service saying to go supply my ID at some
>> website. So I do it, the person I was emailing apparently
>> checks in at the site (maybe she gets daily alerts or maybe
>> she just goes there every day), okays my ID, and I'm now
>> whitelisted.
>>
>> I like it because the spams don't even hit your mailbox
>
> Why were you sending her spam?

Just ignore this Internet vermin and all of his sockpuppets.

Trolls, spammers and cyberstalkers hate C/R systems because
they can't beat them.

They are often the same people. All of them are sociopaths.

http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/cr.html

Alan

--
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/contact.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/publickey.html

[Kook] Re: Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them b Inbox?

am 21.09.2006 06:26:12 von unknown

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am 21.09.2006 07:44:30 von unknown

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Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?

am 21.09.2006 10:32:10 von Landmark

"arhooley" wrote:

>I like it because the spams don't even hit your mailbox ("Receiving 138
>messages") and then get sent into a Spam folder.

The problem with the system you describe is that spams invariably have
forged "from" addresses on them, so if you ran a Challenge/Response
system, instead of getting 138 spams you would send out 138 emails to
people who have never heard of you and expect each of them to solve
the spam problem for you. Challenge/Response doesn't solve the spam
problem, it just passes it on to third parties and creates an
additional traffic load on the mail system. I often get challenges
from people I have never heard of. Usually I go their website and
confirm my ID and that stops them sending me any more challenges in
future. Of course, it means they have to deal with the spam
themselves, but that''s better than me dealing with their spam for
them.

Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?

am 21.09.2006 11:46:16 von Alan Connor

On comp.mail.misc, in <06j4h2lfqq3ghtlpi0ebemc3cvr3odfe5b@4ax.com>, "Landmark" wrote:

Correction: A dishonest coward who _sometimes_ calls himself
"Landmark" wrote:

Not just another stinking troll, he's actually a spammer.

Spammer's HATE Challenge-Response systems because they
can't beat them.

Doesn't that just make you want to cry?

> Path: text.usenetserver.com!out02b.usenetserver.com!news.usenetser ver.com!in02.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!postnews .google.com!news3.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!n ntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.bt.com!n ews.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 03:31:51 -0500
> From: Landmark
> Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
> Subject: Re: what's that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?
> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:32:10 +0100
> Message-ID: <06j4h2lfqq3ghtlpi0ebemc3cvr3odfe5b@4ax.com>
> References: <1158805327.956105.98710@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Lines: 18
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.130.3.58
> X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser
> X-Trace: sv3-zjK+tJrB369rgKAjj7JQF1tcefx9gpDWssp3UqlwBTPmmUUe4NIKWYOR H8i/u1roazIWJ3EAcRSpcx4!Pp2YrU05pux7XiajK9FPspZx4rTti8umeFSr tAU8TURYzg8LFG969DoTU6qtvzqIJEiap3cbcq0v
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> X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly
> X-Postfilter: 1.3.32
> Xref: usenetserver.com comp.mail.misc:160403

You can't trust anything in those headers.

http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
Landmark
Results 1 - 100 of 199 posts in the last year
2 alt.ads
2 alt.books
2 alt.make.money
78 alt.spam
1 alt.www.webmaster.ads
3 comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
2 comp.mail.misc
1 hfx.general
1 linux.debian.bugs.dist
2 microsoft.public.excel
1 nlo.lists.kernelnewbies
3 soc.senior.health+fitness
1 soc.senior.issues
1 sureshuoh

An obvious Usenet pro with only 199 posts in the last year?

Right.

(
> "arhooley" wrote:
>
>>I like it because the spams don't even hit your mailbox
>>("Receiving 138 messages") and then get sent into a Spam
>>folder.
>
> The problem with the system you describe is that spams
> invariably have forged "from" addresses on them, so if you
> ran a Challenge/Response system, instead of getting 138 spams
> you would send out 138 emails to people who have never heard
> of you and expect each of them to solve the spam problem for
> you.

Wrong. The second stage of a C/R system, after the passlist,
is a conventional spam filter that dumps 99.9% of the spam.

No challenges are sent for those.

And spammers take great pains to avoid using addresses that might
belong to real people because people are always getting pissed
off by spam, and they hit Reply and send off an mail.

If that mail goes to a real person, the spammer has pissed off
TWO people instead of just one.

> Challenge/Response doesn't solve the spam problem,

They would if about 5% of the people on the Internet used
them. That's well above the profit margin of spammers.

They'd have to find honest work.

And C/R systems have certainly, and perfectly, solved the spam
problem for all of their hundreds of thousands of users.

> it just passes it on to third parties and creates an additional
> traffic load on the mail system.

That's just the same lie you posted above.

And you know you are lying.

> I often get challenges from people I have never heard of.

That's another lie.

But we'll never find out who you really are, so what do
you care?

> Usually I go their website and confirm
> my ID and that stops them sending me any more challenges in
> future. Of course, it means they have to deal with the spam
> themselves, but that''s better than me dealing with their spam
> for them.
>

Like I said, spammers and trolls and cyberstalkers REALLY hate
Challenge-Response Systems.

And, obviously, these criminals have no problem at all with
lying.

While they hide behind psuedo-identities.

By-all-means, listen to people like this, and read my
brief introduction to C/R systems here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/cr.html

And google the subject.

Then get ready to hear the same garbage that this spammer has
posted above, over and over again.

See? I can call him a 'spammer', which is libelous, because
he will _never_ identify himself, and therefore cannot file a
lawsuit.

Or be taken seriously by _any_ authority.

Because he's a spammer.

And obviously a troll, too.

Internet vermin.

Alan

--
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/contact.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/cr.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/publickey.html

Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?

am 21.09.2006 11:58:42 von Clemens W

Alan Connor wrote:
> [...snip...}

Thanks for letting us know that your time is more valuable than my
time.

A. Friend

Challenge-Response Systems (was: <snip>)

am 21.09.2006 12:55:28 von Alan Connor

On news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, in
<1158832722.246787.222890@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"A. Friend" wrote:

> Alan Connor wrote:
>
>> [...snip...}
>
> Thanks for letting us know that your time is more valuable than
> my time.
>

Isn't he cute? Same spammer again. This is his third alias on
this thread.

Patrick
Landmark
A. Friend

He has hundreds of them. No problem.

He doesn't like Challenge-Response systems.

Isn't that just too bad? Poor little weenie spammer.

It's the fear of honest work that gets him all riled up.

Yes, I can call him a "spammer" without fear. It's libelous
but what can he do?

A. Friend obviously isn't his real name. And even if Patrick
is, there are 10's of thousands of Patricks in the world.
And it isn't Bookmark!

But he'd never use even part of his real name on the Usenet or in
the mails, you can bank on that.

ROTFLMAO! He is chained by his own criminality.

------------------------------------------------------------ -

Anyone interested in keeping Internet vermin like this fellow
out of your mailboxes (and he will obviously try to beat
your mailfilter just like he beats your newsfilter by changing
aliases) should look into Challenge-Response systems.

Trolls/spammers/cyberstalkers (all the same people, all
sociopaths) cannot beat them, and therefore they hate them.

Here's a brief introduction to the subject:

http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/cr.html

Read what the spammer/troll/cyberstalker scum here have to say
(they'll repeat the same lies, over and over, so it won't be
difficult reading) and read my primer and google the subject.

_I_ don't get any spam or trollmail.

And I don't ever have to mess with my filter except to add new
friends, organizations, and mailinglists to the passlist.

Alan

--
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/contact.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/publickey.html

Re: Beavis-Slapping Systems (was: <snip>)

am 21.09.2006 13:14:42 von Sam

Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?

am 21.09.2006 13:14:44 von Sam

Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?

am 21.09.2006 13:14:46 von Sam

Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?

am 21.09.2006 13:14:47 von Sam

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Usenet Beavis writes:

> On comp.mail.misc, in <06j4h2lfqq3ghtlpi0ebemc3cvr3odfe5b@4ax.com>, "Landmark" wrote:
>
> Correction: A mental superior of mine who _always_ likes to smack my bitch
> up wrote:
>
> Not just another mental superior of mine, he's actually my hero.

I'm sure he'll be honored with such high words of praise.

> Beavises HATE Beavis-Slapping systems because they keep getting their
> bitch all smacked up.

Boo-hoo.

> Doesn't that just make you want to laugh at my kookfarts?

Badly.

>> X-Postfilter: 1.3.32
>> Xref: usenetserver.com comp.mail.misc:160403
>
> You can't trust any kookfarts that I post.

Indeed.

>
> http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
> Landmark
> Results 1 - 100 of 199 posts in the last year

Results 1 - 10 of about 23,900 for usenet beavis (0.45 seconds)

You win, Beavis.

> An obvious mental superior of mine with only 199 posts in the last year?
>
> Right.

Beavis, repeat after me: it's not the quantity, it's the quality.

> Wrong. The second stage of a Beavis/Slapping system is to point one's
> finger at me, laugh, and explain that this is what happens when you drink
> during pregnancy.

Ok, what's the third stage?

> And Beavises take great pains to avoid using kookfarts that might
> accidentally bust everyone's bladders wide open. All kookfarts are
> meticulously tested in the labs to make sure that they're potency is just
> right.

Do you also carry liability insurance, Beavis?

>> Challenge/Response doesn't solve the spam problem,
>
> Of course it's not, but I'm just a stupid Usenet Beavis who doesn't know
> any better.

Right.

>
> And Beavis/Slapping systems have certainly, and perfectly, solved the
> problem of the lack of quality entertainment on cable TV.

Beavis, I cancelled cable, and now get my kicks from slapping you around.

> That's just the same kookfart that I posted many times before.
>
> And you know that I'm a kookbag.

Yup.

>> I often get challenges from people I have never heard of.
>
> That's another fact that I'm too stupid to believe.

Right.

> But we'll never find out who you really are, so what do
> you care?

What do _you_ care, Beavis?

>
>
> Like I said, my mental superiors REALLY like the various
> Beavis-Slapping Systems.

Right.

> And, obviously, my mental superiors have no problem at all with
> smacking me upside the head.

Right. Form a line to the right.

> By-all-means, listen to people like this, and read the Beavis FAQ
> that's regularly posted to alt.asshole.alan-connor:

Sounds like a plan.

> http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/kooks/ac/
>
> And google "Usenet Beavis".

Google rocks!

> Then get ready to hear the same kookfarts that this Beavis has
> posted above, over and over again.

Indeed.

>
> See? I can call myself a 'Beavis', which is true, because
> I was dropped on my head, as a child.

You poor dear.

>
>
> Because I'm a Beavis.
>
> And obviously a kookbag, too.

Right.

> Internet Village Idiot.

It takes a village, Beavis.

>
> Beavis
>
> --
> http://www.geocities.com/suhatrasabib
> http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/kooks/ac/
> http://tinyurl.com/23r3f

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[kook] Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills thembefore they hit my Inbox?

am 21.09.2006 15:26:12 von Quaestor

A. Friend wrote:

>Alan Connor wrote:
>
>
>>[...snip...}
>>
>>
>
>Thanks for letting us know that your time is more valuable than my
>time.
>
>A. Friend
>

The [kook] tag, please

--
Godwin is a net-nazi
Learn about spam: http://www.seige-perilous.org/spam/spam.html

Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?

am 22.09.2006 01:23:31 von Landmark

Alan Connor wrote:

> ... drivel not even worth quoting ....

My word, what a thoroughly unpleasant little man you are, so
hopelessly misinformed about the nature of the spam problem, too
clueless to use Goggle properly, and demonstrating a grasp of logic
which has enough holes in it to drive a Number 37 Clapham Omnibus
clean through it without touching the sides. Clearly you have nothing
worthwhile to bring to the debate and I needn't trouble myself reading
any further replies from you.

Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?

am 22.09.2006 03:07:46 von Alan Connor

On comp.mail.misc, in
<3b76h2t5dta65drumlan96hg7trbbff062@4ax.com>, "Landmark" wrote:

> Alan Connor wrote:
>
>> ... drivel not even worth quoting ....
>
> My word, what a thoroughly unpleasant little man you are

Yeh. I don't like spammers.

If I meet you in real life you'll find out what "unpleasant"
really means.

>, so hopelessly misinformed about the nature of the spam
>problem,

Really? How come I don't have a spam problem and you do?

> too clueless to use Goggle properly,

I am very good with Google.

Being able to spell helps....

> and demonstrating a grasp of logic which has enough holes in it
> to drive a Number 37 Clapham Omnibus clean through it without
> touching the sides.

Still waiting for some substance here.

Any monkey in a cage can sling schitt.

> Clearly you have nothing worthwhile to bring to the
> debate and I needn't trouble myself reading any further replies
> from you.

"Debate"?!

ROTFLMAO

Good riddance.

And stay out of my mailboxes.

Done.

Alan

--
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/contact.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/cr.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/publickey.html

Re: what"s that web-based anti-Beavis filter that smacks his bitch up?

am 22.09.2006 03:30:11 von Sam

Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them beforethey hit my Inbox?

am 22.09.2006 04:31:37 von windsorfox

Alan Connor wrote:
> On comp.mail.misc, in <06j4h2lfqq3ghtlpi0ebemc3cvr3odfe5b@4ax.com>, "Landmark" wrote:
>
> Correction: A dishonest coward who _sometimes_ calls himself
> "Landmark" wrote:
>
> Not just another stinking troll, he's actually a spammer.
>
> Spammer's HATE Challenge-Response systems because they
> can't beat them.
>

No, they use them to send their spam.

--

"Trespassing on private computer networks through
intentional misrepresentation is an activity that
merits no First Amendment protection" - Judge James W. Haley Jr.

"And now Dib I leave you to your.... Moosey fate!" - Invader Zim

Challenge-Response Systems (was: <snip>)

am 22.09.2006 05:37:58 von Alan Connor

On news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, in <6WHQg.159$b23.70@dukeread07>,
"WindsorFox[SS]" wrote:

> Alan Connor wrote:
>
>> On comp.mail.misc, in
>> <06j4h2lfqq3ghtlpi0ebemc3cvr3odfe5b@4ax.com>, "Landmark"
>> wrote:
>>
>> Correction: A dishonest coward who _sometimes_ calls himself
>> "Landmark" wrote:
>>
>> Not just another stinking troll, he's actually a spammer.
>>
>> Spammer's HATE Challenge-Response systems because they can't
>> beat them.

> No, they use them to send their spam.

That's the stupidest statement yet on this thread.

No wonder you hide behind multiple aliases.

You have to: People keep killfiling you because you are
obnoxious and ignorant. And a dishonest coward who won't
stand behind what he posts by using a single, unique
alias.

Trolls and spammers and cyberstalkers are the same people.

Here's where ordinary, law-abiding people can learn how to keep
creeps like you out of their mailboxes:

http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/cr.html

Alan

--
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/contact.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/publickey.html

Challenge-Response Systems (was: <snip>)

am 22.09.2006 10:13:07 von Alan Connor

In article
Alan Connor wrote:
>

alt.asshole.alan-connor

Re: Beavis-Slapping Systems (was: <snip>)

am 22.09.2006 13:08:43 von Sam

Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them beforethey hit my Inbox?

am 22.09.2006 22:45:36 von unknown

Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)

Challenge-Response Systems (was: <snip>)

am 23.09.2006 00:58:33 von Alan Connor

On comp.mail.misc, in , "Kalle Bass" wrote:

Correction: A spammer/troll/cyberstalker who sometimes calls
himself "Kalle Bass" (and sometimes calls himself a hundred
other names) wrote:

> Path: text.usenetserver.com!out01b.usenetserver.com!news.usenetser ver.com!in01.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!news.tel e.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net! news-FFM2.ecrc.de!news.germany.com!usenet.ath.cx!usenet2.ath .cx!not-for-mail
> From: Kalle Bass <1@invalid.invalid>

http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
Kalle Bass
Results 1 - 29 of 29 posts in the last year
2 alt.free.newsservers
3 alt.test
1 comp.mail.misc
1 dk.politik
1 news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
8 swnet.diverse
6 swnet.politik
2 swnet.sys.ibm.pc
1 swnet.sys.mac
2 swnet.sys.windows-xp
1 swnet.teknik.diverse
1 swnet.unix

An obvious Usenet pro with only 29 posts.

Right.

Can you say "sockpuppet", boys and girls?

> Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
> Subject: Re: what's that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?
> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:45:36 +0200
> Organization: UseNET
> Lines: 6
> Message-ID:
> References: <1158805327.956105.98710@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <06j4h2lfqq3ghtlpi0ebemc3cvr3odfe5b@4ax.com>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
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> X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenet.ath.cx
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:46:09 +0000 (UTC)
> X-No-Archive: yes

This spammer/troll/cyberstalker is having this post deleted from
Usenet Archives at:

http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search

Whatta surprise.

> In-Reply-To:
> X-Accept-Language: sv, en-us, en
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD-6.1-STABLE; sv-SE)
> Xref: usenetserver.com comp.mail.misc:160423
> X-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:45:39 EDT (text.usenetserver.com)
>
>
>
> Alan Connor skrev:
>
>> Spammer's HATE Challenge-Response systems because they
>> can't beat them.
>
> No, they use them to send their spam.

Can you walk and chew gum at the same time?

I doubt it. If you were mentally competent you wouldn't have
given me another excuse to post information on C/R systems.

And wouldn't have used an obvious sockpuppet and the
"X-No-Archive: yes" header.

May as well have SPAMMER tatooed on your forehead, fool.

Anyone interested in keep Internet criminals like this person out
of their mailboxes should see the following brief introduction to
Challenge Response systems:

http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/cr.html

Spammers/trolls/cyberstalkers (who are often the same people)
all HATE these systems because they can't beat them.

Note that this person can say _anything_ because he's just going
to scuttle off and hide behind another alias.

Alan

--
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Re: Beavis-Slapping Systems (was: <snip>)

am 23.09.2006 02:15:10 von Sam

Re: Challenge-Response Systems (was: <snip>)

am 23.09.2006 07:12:50 von Administrator

In article
Alan Connor wrote:
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Re: what"s that web-based anti-spam filter that kills them before they hit my Inbox?

am 30.09.2006 19:55:24 von SneakyP

arhooley wrote:
> I emailed someone once (forget who) and I got an autoreply from some
> anti-spam service saying to go supply my ID at some website. So I do
> it, the person I was emailing apparently checks in at the site (maybe
> she gets daily alerts or maybe she just goes there every day), okays my
> ID, and I'm now whitelisted.
>
> I like it because the spams don't even hit your mailbox ("Receiving 138
> messages") and then get sent into a Spam folder.
>
> Ring a bell with anyone? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
>
> Thanks.

Yes, it's called stupidity as it sends more spam backwards to forged
senders.

Challenge-Response Systems (was: <snip> anti-spam filter <snip>)

am 30.09.2006 21:14:39 von Alan Connor

On comp.mail.misc, in
<1159638924.522742.210840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"SneakyP" wrote:

> arhooley wrote:
>
>> I emailed someone once (forget who) and I got an autoreply
>> from some anti-spam service saying to go supply my ID at some
>> website. So I do it, the person I was emailing apparently
>> checks in at the site (maybe she gets daily alerts or maybe
>> she just goes there every day), okays my ID, and I'm now
>> whitelisted.
>>
>> I like it because the spams don't even hit your mailbox
>> ("Receiving 138 messages") and then get sent into a Spam
>> folder.
>>
>> Ring a bell with anyone? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

They are called Challenge-Response systems.

(And not all of them use Web interfaces.)

See this page for a brief introduction:

http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/cr.html

>> Thanks.
>
> Yes, it's called stupidity as it sends more spam backwards to
> forged senders.

No. A Challenge-Response system doesn't send spam. Spam is _bulk_
email, and Challenges only go to one specific address.

And a Challenge always identifies the sender, which spam never
does.

And spam is advertising. That's it's purpose. A Challenge is just
checking to see if there's a real person reading the mail at the
address given by the mail sent to their box.

Hundreds of thousand of people (and organizations) use Challenge
Response systems. If they sent out a lot of Challenges to forged
addresses belonging to real people, the ISPs would shut them
down. But the fact is that many ISPs _use_ them. You mail them
and you get an auto-response telling you to go to a website and
fill out a webform in order to get your mail through to them.

That's one of the Challenge-Response variants.

C-R systems don't send a lot of Challenges to forged addresses
belonging to real people because they all employ standard spam
filters to dump the obvious spam before it reaches the
Challenge-Response stage.

And the fact is that 99% of the return addresses on spam don't
belong to real people. Try replying to them yourself. Chances are
they'll bounce every time.

------------------

"SneakyP" (AKA "any alias you care to imagine"),

You really ought to do your homework before you post information
on the Usenet.

Or are you a spammer/troll/cyberstalker who is trying to mislead
the public?

If so, I don't blame you. Challenge-Response systems put
criminals like you right out of business. You can't beat them.

Don't like it, Internet vermin?

Sit on it and rotate.

And stay out of my mailboxes.

Done.

Alan

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am 30.09.2006 21:58:02 von abuse

Please Don't Feed The Troll

Re: Challenge-Response Systems (was: <snip> anti-spam filter <snip>)

am 30.09.2006 22:36:01 von Etaoin Shrdlu

Le 30 Sep 2006, Alan Connor a écrit :
(Nothing significant)

Do you realize that your name, "Connor" in french sounds just like
"connard", which means "asshole"???

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Re: Beavis-Slapping Systems (was: <snip> anti-spam filter <snip>)

am 30.09.2006 22:55:31 von Sam

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Usenet Beavis writes:

>>> Ring a bell with anyone? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
>
> They are called Beavis-Slapping systems. They're called this way because
> I'm the Beavis, and everyone except me knows that they don't work.

Right.

> See this page for a brief introduction:
>
> http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/kooks/ac/

Also http://www.geocities.com/suhatrasabib

>>> Thanks.
>>
>> Yes, it's called stupidity as it sends more spam backwards to
>> forged senders.
>
> Yes. But because I'm such a dumb Beavis, I am unable to comprehend this
> very simple fact. I'm an idiot because I think that spam is just _bulk_
> email, and Challenges only go to one specific address.

Beavis, I hereby dispute the assertion that you can think.

> And spam is advertising. That's it's purpose.

Right Beavis. And a challenge advertises the fact that the sender is a
dumbass.

> A Challenge is just
> checking to see if I was dropped on my head as a child.

No, that's not much of a challenge at all.

> Hundreds of thousand of people (and organizations) point fingers at
> me and laugh. If they keep pointing fingers at me and laughing
> their bladders can burst and begin to leak.

I think that's a chance they're willing to take.

> down. But the fact is that many ISPs _use_ them.

No they don't, stupid Beavis. Does AOL use them? Nope. Verizon? Nope.
Show me a mismanaged ISP that uses them and I'll show you one who has its
mail servers blacklisted for generating E-mail abuse.

> C-R systems don't send a lot of Challenges to forged addresses
> belonging to real people because that's what all the little voices in
> my head tell me.

What else do they tell you?

> And the fact is that 99% of the return addresses on spam don't
> belong to real people.

That's right. They belong to Bigfoot, right Beavis?

> I really out to do my homework before I post information to Usenet, but
> I don't because I'm a Beavis.

Right.

> I am a Beavis/kook/nutcase who is trying to mislead the public.

Right again.

> Don't like my kookfarts, my mental superior?

Your kookfarts have been rather weak lately, Beavis. You need to get back
into shape.

> I'm going to post some more kookfarts.

Right.

>
> And point your fingers at me, and laugh.

Will do.

> Done.

*SLAP*

> Beavis
>
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