CLI app - allow access?

ZA frquently tells me CLI Application (Command Line Interface) is
trying to access the trusted zone and I don't know whether to allow it
or not. Everything seems to be running OK without it. What sorts of
apps would this usually refer to? A little research indicated it's
related to Linux. Are some Windows apps built around Linux? I'm seeing
the window now with only the System Config window*, Word, ZoneAlarm &
Firefox open; in the tray LogMeIn is also enabled, there's my AV
running (Avast) and a Status Monitor for my Canon multifunction.

*The one that comes up after rebooting when you've changed some startup
items

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Sebastian Gottschalk wrote:
> karlengel@excite.com wrote:
>
> > ZA frquently tells me CLI Application (Command Line Interface) is
> > trying to access the trusted zone and I don't know whether to allow it
> > or not.
>
> Then you should uninstall ZA. Which is generally a good idea if you want a
> working system.
>
> > Everything seems to be running OK without it. What sorts of
> > apps would this usually refer to?
>
> Well, you should know. It's your system!
>
> > A little research indicated it's related to Linux. Are some Windows apps
> > built around Linux?
>
> Well, your _should_ know...

Not surprising you didn't want that response archived!

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karlengel@excite.com wrote on 10 Dec 2006 22:58:54 -0800:

> ZA frquently tells me CLI Application (Command Line Interface) is
> trying to access the trusted zone and I don't know whether to allow it
> or not. Everything seems to be running OK without it. What sorts of
> apps would this usually refer to? A little research indicated it's
> related to Linux. Are some Windows apps built around Linux? I'm seeing
> the window now with only the System Config window*, Word, ZoneAlarm &
> Firefox open; in the tray LogMeIn is also enabled, there's my AV
> running (Avast) and a Status Monitor for my Canon multifunction.
>
> *The one that comes up after rebooting when you've changed some startup
> items

Are you sure it's CLI Application, and not just cli.exe? cli.exe is part of
the ATI Catalyst drivers. I'm guessing your "research" is flawed.

Dan

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wrote in message
news:1165825782.243053.213890@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com.. .
>
> Sebastian Gottschalk wrote:
>> karlengel@excite.com wrote:
>>
>> > ZA frquently tells me CLI Application (Command Line Interface) is
>> > trying to access the trusted zone and I don't know whether to
>> > allow it
>> > or not.
>>
>> Then you should uninstall ZA. Which is generally a good idea if you
>> want a
>> working system.
>>
>> > Everything seems to be running OK without it. What sorts of
>> > apps would this usually refer to?
>>
>> Well, you should know. It's your system!
>>
>> > A little research indicated it's related to Linux. Are some
>> > Windows apps
>> > built around Linux?
>>
>> Well, your _should_ know...
>
> Not surprising you didn't want that response archived!


Except that a response that dupes their post completely undoes the
"X-no-archive: yes" header and why using that header is such a stupid
idea that only newbies think is effective, or maybe they hope no one
will respond to their post (and copy it in the reply).

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wrote in message
news:1165820334.215886.105830@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com.. .
> ZA frquently tells me CLI Application (Command Line Interface) is
> trying to access the trusted zone and I don't know whether to allow
> it
> or not. Everything seems to be running OK without it. What sorts of
> apps would this usually refer to? A little research indicated it's
> related to Linux. Are some Windows apps built around Linux? I'm
> seeing
> the window now with only the System Config window*, Word, ZoneAlarm
> &
> Firefox open; in the tray LogMeIn is also enabled, there's my AV
> running (Avast) and a Status Monitor for my Canon multifunction.
>
> *The one that comes up after rebooting when you've changed some
> startup
> items
>


Is this the CLI application listed in Task Manager's Processes tab?
Maybe you have ATI software installed for your video card.

Re: CLI app - allow access?

In message <4u4kuhF16lcs3U1@mid.individual.net> "Spack"
wrote:

>Are you sure it's CLI Application, and not just cli.exe? cli.exe is part of
>the ATI Catalyst drivers. I'm guessing your "research" is flawed.

The poster is using ZA -- I'd suggest that their choice of software
indicates a lack of research ability to begin with.

--
I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

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DevilsPGD wrote on Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:20:35 GMT:

> In message <4u4kuhF16lcs3U1@mid.individual.net> "Spack"
> wrote:
>
>> Are you sure it's CLI Application, and not just cli.exe? cli.exe is part
>> of the ATI Catalyst drivers. I'm guessing your "research" is flawed.
>
> The poster is using ZA -- I'd suggest that their choice of software
> indicates a lack of research ability to begin with.

Indeed. I guess it also explains why they believe it might be an XP
application using Linux as it's core ...

Dan

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"Sebastian Gottschalk" wrote in message
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> Vanguard wrote:
>
>> Except that a response that dupes their post completely undoes the
>> "X-no-archive: yes" header and why using that header is such a
>> stupid
>> idea that only newbies think is effective, or maybe they hope no
>> one
>> will respond to their post (and copy it in the reply).
>
> Or Google is stupid for actually interpreting such a header and
> censoring
> their very own output, making themselves more unusable. D'oh, that's
> really
> stupid.


Google just carried on the tradition from Deja News that they bought.

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Sebastian wrote on Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:43:24 +0100:

> Spack wrote:
>
>> Indeed. I guess it also explains why they believe it might be an XP
>> application using Linux as it's core ...
>
> Yeah, as if coLinux ever got stable enough...
>
> *SCNR*

coLinux is not a "Windows app built around Linux". It's not an application
per se, it's an operating system environment. If you can point to an
application that installs a Linux environment solely to run itself in, then
fair enough, I will concede the point.

Dan

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"Sebastian Gottschalk" wrote in message
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> Vanguard wrote:
>
> [X-no-archive header]
>
>> Google just carried on the tradition from Deja News that they
>> bought.
>
> Not every tradition makes sense.


So why are YOU participating in that non-sensical tradition by using
"X-no-archive: yes" in YOUR headers?

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"Sebastian Gottschalk" wrote in message
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> Vanguard wrote:
>
>> "Sebastian Gottschalk" wrote in message
>> news:4u6iftF16f8unU1@mid.dfncis.de...
>>> Vanguard wrote:
>>>
>>> [X-no-archive header]
>>>
>>>> Google just carried on the tradition from Deja News that they
>>>> bought.
>>>
>>> Not every tradition makes sense.
>>
>> So why are YOU participating in that non-sensical tradition by
>> using
>> "X-no-archive: yes" in YOUR headers?
>
> Because it makes Google hurt themselves (which is fun), and it
> doesn't
> disturb otherwise?


Since Google will run their scanner across ALL posts looking for that
header and since auto-expire is a batch operation, you aren't hurting
anyone by using the header. You just make yourself look foolish.
Their expiration process will run whether you use the header or not.

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"Sebastian Gottschalk" wrote in message
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> Vanguard wrote:
>
>> "Sebastian Gottschalk" wrote in message
>> news:4u6iftF16f8unU1@mid.dfncis.de...
>>> Vanguard wrote:
>>>
>>> [X-no-archive header]
>>>
>>>> Google just carried on the tradition from Deja News that they
>>>> bought.
>>>
>>> Not every tradition makes sense.
>>
>> So why are YOU participating in that non-sensical tradition by
>> using
>> "X-no-archive: yes" in YOUR headers?
>
> Because it makes Google hurt themselves (which is fun), and it
> doesn't
> disturb otherwise?


You just make yourself look foolish. Google will run their scan on
ALL posts whether you use the header or not. Auto-expiration will
occur whether you use the header or not. They aren't just going to
look at posts with the header since obviously they have to look at all
posts to see if the header were used. More likely is that they parse
EVERY post on receipt to set an attribute for the post in their
message store to indicate which posts will expire.

I suppose you think you spitting in the ocean will make a difference
in the tide levels.

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"Sebastian Gottschalk" wrote in message
news:4u7nukF177gmmU1@mid.dfncis.de...
> Vanguard wrote:
>
>> "Sebastian Gottschalk" wrote in message
>> news:4u6iftF16f8unU1@mid.dfncis.de...
>>> Vanguard wrote:
>>>
>>> [X-no-archive header]
>>>
>>>> Google just carried on the tradition from Deja News that they
>>>> bought.
>>>
>>> Not every tradition makes sense.
>>
>> So why are YOU participating in that non-sensical tradition by
>> using
>> "X-no-archive: yes" in YOUR headers?
>
> Because it makes Google hurt themselves (which is fun), and it
> doesn't
> disturb otherwise?


You just make yourself look foolish, like the dufus in a fight that is
losing the fight, can barely stand, and mutters past his bleeding lips
at the victor, "Oh yeah, you thinks that hurts me, huh, huh." Google
will parse EVERY post that it receives to check for the header and
will set an attribute for that post to make it eligible in their
auto-expiration process. I think it is 6 days that a no-archive post
will hang around. Your piddly attempt to hurt Google is like you
spitting in the ocean to raise the sea level. You aren't hurting
anyone but yourself in making yourself look foolish. I suppose
slapping a paddle into the ocean could in some miniscule way affect
the tides but no one cares and no one will notice and everyone will
just think you are a nut that is splashing around in the ocean.

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"Sebastian Gottschalk" wrote in message
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> Vanguard wrote:
>
>> You just make yourself look foolish.
>
> I don't make myself look anyway. No one cares for the headers.
> BTW, you're using Outlook Express. How stupid does that look?

I have trialed several other newsreaders. I came back to OE not
because it was the best NNTP client but because the others only
provide marginally better features, and to change requires more
impetus than just because it is different. Periodically I re-review
the other choices but I want something significantly BETTER than OE.
I need a good reason to switch, not an excuse.

Agent is only useful in the paid version as it becomes too overly
crippled in the free version - and if I'm going to compare against OE
then I compare against free versions. Besides, regular expressions
would be the major reason why I would move to Agent but as I've been
told (in their newsgroups) and read in their documentation it only has
them in searches which can be saved but cannot be automatically
triggered on header downloads (i.e., you have to manually run the
saved search and then manually select the matched records to to then
execute a manually selected action). Eventually Agent dumped their
antiquated Windows 3.1 GUI and what did they go to: the 3-pane
interface used by OE. A long-time defect with Agent was that it would
not support multiple NNTP accounts. The workaround was to define
multiple config files that would be specified on the command-line to
load Agent, so you had multiple shortcuts to load multiple instances
of Agent to concurrently access multiple accounts. They added
multiple account support in their latest version but, again, that's
not a feature available in their crippled free version yet multiple
account support exists in MANY free newsreaders.

Thunderbird is a bad joke. Users like to claim it is better but its
rules are less potent than those in OE. In other words, rules in
Thunderbird suck. I consider the rules in OE to be lacking and
Thunderbird's are worse. Everytime I asked about how to configure
Thunderbird regarding behavior or function, too often I had to go edit
config files since those features were not available via the GUI.

40tude seemed good but is another similar client with little
capability in its rules; i.e., it didn't seem any better than OE. It
doesn't seem much supported, if at all, and has been in beta status
for how long? Read their version history at
http://www.40tude.com/dialog/history.htm. It is still beta. That
list hasn't been updated since I read it just over a year ago (and I
don't how odl 2.0.15.1 was at that time), so it's another dead
program. Useful perhaps but dead. OE is dead, too, but if I'm going
to switch then I'd like to move to a product that is supported or, at
least, getting improved or fixed. The author of 40tude coded it
assuming a non-secure Windows 3.x/9x environment. That is, 40tude
hasn't a concept of separating config files based on NT accounts, so
one user will end up stepping on another user's setup of 40tude. Gee,
what happened to all those groups to which I subscribed and where did
those new ones come from? Some other user logged in and changed
40tude's setup.

I did use OE-QuoteFix until SP2 for Windows XP killed it. SP2 also
provided the biggest reasons why I used OE-Quotefix: bottom posting
and sig at bottom (via registry edits). The color-coding was iffy in
OE-QuoteFix and it had a defect if the post to which you replied
didn't have a CR at the end of the last line. OE-QuoteFix is another
dead tool: useful if it still works for you and you don't know about
OE's registry edits (which means you need to have WinXP) but a dead
product. The last update to OE-QuoteFix was way back on ... I also
tried the Fidolook wrapper for OE but its documentation sucks (unless
you know German) and also seems another college kid's abandoned class
project.

I also trialed Gravity, XanaNews, Newsrover, Newsbin, and Xnews.
Xnews was the only one that had decent support and implementation of
regular expressions (but which you edit outside of the GUI).
Unfortunately I found out that many NNTP servers only proffer the
overview headers and what I want to filter on are in the extended
headers. However, it has GUI problems and the author has apparently
never experienced using context menus (right-click) to add properties
or functions to object types rather than have you navigate through
menues. Xnews also has problems with memory bloat and will freeze for
NNTP servers with large number of posts (i.e., with high retention).
Click on a post and the highlight is instead of a different post.
Read a post within a thread and upon return to that newsgroup the
entire thread is gone (unless you hunt to find the option to enable
Xnews to reread the newsgroup, or you
use Ctrl+F5 to resync all the threads). I never found a way to mark a
thread to watch it (i.e., no flags), something very important to me.
I want posts to which I've started, responded, or am interested to
appear at the *top* of the header list. Rather than have a 3-pane
view to show the newsgroups (under the news servers) in a tree list,
the message list, and a preview of a selected message, you instead
first see the newsgroups list (and for only one server at a time).
Then when you pick a newsgroup, you no longer can see the newsgroups
list and are instead looking at a split view for the messages list and
preview of the messages. You can wrangle the multiple opened windows
tile them but the content of the tiles is not enforced by their
position. To switch between servers, you use the tabs at the bottom
of the screen but those tabs won't appear until the first time you
visit the news server which must be performed using the menues. When
I opened a newsgroup, there was a delay before seeing the messages,
and when opening the messages
there was sometimes a delay, and there was a delay when refreshing
their
threading. There are other delays and then I found out it was because
of the memory bloat. Xnews is another dead newsreader: no updates in
over 3 years.

If I were to switch, it probably would be to Xnews despite its GUI
defects or deficiencies. Not because the GUI is better or anything
else other than far more potent rules because of adding regular
expressions that can check anywhere in any header. I tried using
NewsProxy with OE to give me regular expressions but it goes
unresponsive pretty quickly while just sitting idle (it runs as a
background process that constantly sucks up memory even when you are
not using any NNTP client).

So just what number of NNTP clients have *YOU* trialed to find what is
best for you, and how often do you review again? I figure 6-months
interval is all I'm going to waste my time in finding something FAR
superior to OE to give me a reason to switch that has BETTER rules
with a strong preference that the automatically exercised rules
incorporate a decent potency in regular expressions. So far I've been
disappointed in the *free* alternatives to free OE. There are decent
*paid* commercialware alternatives to free OE. OE has defects. So do
the other choices. They just have different defects.

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