ASP on local network?

am 30.01.2007 22:27:07 von J

Hello. Sorry if this doesn't sound like much sense but is it possible to
run .asp pages on a local internal network server (not the development
\localhost\ address and not on the public internet)? I have a bunch of .asp
pages and was wondering if it was possible to make use of all of the written
..asp code (including calls to SQL Server stored procedures) instead of
putting them on the webserver could i put them on a local internal network
server for users to access?...or does it need to have IIS to run these on
the web server only.

Thanks in advance.

J

Re: ASP on local network?

am 30.01.2007 23:51:00 von mmcginty

"J" wrote in message
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> Hello. Sorry if this doesn't sound like much sense but is it possible to
> run .asp pages on a local internal network server (not the development
> \localhost\ address and not on the public internet)?

Not quite sure where to start to unravel the confusion... Consider that
"localhost" is sort of a built-in host name (by virtue of its inclusion by
default in each system's HOSTS file) that resolves to the IP address
127.0.0.1, aka, the loopback address. Every system with working IP stack
has a loopback address, using which, IP-enabled software can communicate
within the confines of a single system.

Beyond that, "localhost" is treated as any other host name -- if you wanted
to (and you were insane) you could configure a DNS server to return some
other address for that name -- but you'd need to alter HOSTS for every
machine you wanted to use it, because entries in HOSTS take precedence over
external DNS.

There are 3 sets of IP addresses defined by RFC1918 that are called "non
routable" because they are designated for local use only. The most commonly
used ones are 192.168.*.* and 10.*.*.*. Any host using an address defined
by RFC1918 is not accessible to the public Internet USING THAT ADDRESS.
Note that there are any number of DMZ and/or NAT/PAT schemes that translate
private addresses to public ones, but those are the exception, not the rule,
and must be explicitly set-up that way. Point being that if a host, be it
"server" or "workstation" has an address that starts with 192.168. or 10., I
cannot reach it using that address, via the public Internet.

(My gut instinct at this point is to scratch this reply and leave it to
someone else.) The short answer is, yes, it's possible, using a private
address (and an internal DNS server, if you want people to be able to browse
to a host name, instead of an IP address.)

> I have a bunch of .asp pages and was wondering if it was possible to make
> use of all of the written .asp code (including calls to SQL Server stored
> procedures) instead of putting them on the webserver could i put them on a
> local internal network server for users to access?...or does it need to
> have IIS to run these on the web server only.

More semantics confusion: a "local internal network server" can be a "web
server" these terms are not mutually exclusive. Your local system is
technically a "web server" if it answers HTTP requests on any address, not
the least of which being the loopback.

Yes you need IIS running. No the server does not need to be publicly
accessible. These details are not interconnected, IIS doesn't care about
RFC1918, it only needs an IP address, it doesn't even care if any other host
can reach it, that's not its concern. It only knows that if, perhaps by
random chance, perhaps by design, some other host actually does reach it, to
send it a request that fits the HTTP protocol, it needs to answer it, based
on the configuration/content defined for it.

Making that HTTP server's address reachable by anybody or everybody is a
completely separate matter; making it reachable using a friendly name, yet
again another separate matter.

Hopefully (though I realize odds are against) I haven't added to your
confusion -- apologies if that is the case (it may be hard to believe, but
that was surely not my intent!) :-)

-Mark

> Thanks in advance.
>
> J
>

Re: ASP on local network?

am 30.01.2007 23:55:05 von J

Will look into this. So sorry for the weird question. Thanks a bunch for
your quick and descriptive reply Mark. Much appreciated.

Take care.

J

"Mark J. McGinty" wrote in message
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>
> "J" wrote in message
> news:%23D7KmVLRHHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Hello. Sorry if this doesn't sound like much sense but is it possible to
>> run .asp pages on a local internal network server (not the development
>> \localhost\ address and not on the public internet)?
>
> Not quite sure where to start to unravel the confusion... Consider that
> "localhost" is sort of a built-in host name (by virtue of its inclusion by
> default in each system's HOSTS file) that resolves to the IP address
> 127.0.0.1, aka, the loopback address. Every system with working IP stack
> has a loopback address, using which, IP-enabled software can communicate
> within the confines of a single system.
>
> Beyond that, "localhost" is treated as any other host name -- if you
> wanted to (and you were insane) you could configure a DNS server to return
> some other address for that name -- but you'd need to alter HOSTS for
> every machine you wanted to use it, because entries in HOSTS take
> precedence over external DNS.
>
> There are 3 sets of IP addresses defined by RFC1918 that are called "non
> routable" because they are designated for local use only. The most
> commonly used ones are 192.168.*.* and 10.*.*.*. Any host using an
> address defined by RFC1918 is not accessible to the public Internet USING
> THAT ADDRESS. Note that there are any number of DMZ and/or NAT/PAT schemes
> that translate private addresses to public ones, but those are the
> exception, not the rule, and must be explicitly set-up that way. Point
> being that if a host, be it "server" or "workstation" has an address that
> starts with 192.168. or 10., I cannot reach it using that address, via the
> public Internet.
>
> (My gut instinct at this point is to scratch this reply and leave it to
> someone else.) The short answer is, yes, it's possible, using a private
> address (and an internal DNS server, if you want people to be able to
> browse to a host name, instead of an IP address.)
>
>
>> I have a bunch of .asp pages and was wondering if it was possible to make
>> use of all of the written .asp code (including calls to SQL Server stored
>> procedures) instead of putting them on the webserver could i put them on
>> a local internal network server for users to access?...or does it need to
>> have IIS to run these on the web server only.
>
> More semantics confusion: a "local internal network server" can be a "web
> server" these terms are not mutually exclusive. Your local system is
> technically a "web server" if it answers HTTP requests on any address, not
> the least of which being the loopback.
>
> Yes you need IIS running. No the server does not need to be publicly
> accessible. These details are not interconnected, IIS doesn't care about
> RFC1918, it only needs an IP address, it doesn't even care if any other
> host can reach it, that's not its concern. It only knows that if, perhaps
> by random chance, perhaps by design, some other host actually does reach
> it, to send it a request that fits the HTTP protocol, it needs to answer
> it, based on the configuration/content defined for it.
>
> Making that HTTP server's address reachable by anybody or everybody is a
> completely separate matter; making it reachable using a friendly name, yet
> again another separate matter.
>
>
> Hopefully (though I realize odds are against) I haven't added to your
> confusion -- apologies if that is the case (it may be hard to believe, but
> that was surely not my intent!) :-)
>
>
> -Mark
>
>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> J
>>
>
>

Re: ASP on local network?

am 31.01.2007 11:36:23 von Anthony Jones

Re: ASP on local network?

am 31.01.2007 18:52:29 von J

Thanks for the info Athony. Much appreciated.

Take care.

J

"Anthony Jones" wrote in message
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> "J" wrote in message
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>> Hello. Sorry if this doesn't sound like much sense but is it possible to
>> run .asp pages on a local internal network server (not the development
>> \localhost\ address and not on the public internet)? I have a bunch of
> .asp
>> pages and was wondering if it was possible to make use of all of the
> written
>> .asp code (including calls to SQL Server stored procedures) instead of
>> putting them on the webserver could i put them on a local internal
>> network
>> server for users to access?...or does it need to have IIS to run these on
>> the web server only.
>>
>
> You need an IIS server.
>
> If you can access them as a developer as http://localhost/ then you can
> also
> access them as http:///
>
> Other users on your LAN can also access those pages as
> http:///.
>
> If you don't want others accessing your machine as an IIS server since
> it's
> the development machine the you can probably pick on any XP Pro machine
> with
> IIS installed to act as the server. Just don't try to use it too heavily
> since XP has the number of inbound connections it will serve capped pretty
> tightly.
>
>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>
>