Looking for appliance to overcome firewall

I have a need to demo IP enabled equipment at potential customer premises
FROM THE OUTSIDE.

This causes all kinds of headaches getting the IT guy to open up an incoming
port to my box so I can command it from my office.

I am wondering if there is an applicance that uses outgoing requests to fool
a firewall into allowing the outside data in.

It would need to be a paired setup and best if it uses port 80.
Since the inside device would essentially be polling the outside device, it
would not be fast - but it does not have to be.

I talked it over with a couple of VPN appliance vendors and one of them
said it was possible -
"basically that is how IM gets in" but he did not know of one.

Anyone know if this exists and where I could buy one?

Thanks

Bill

Re: Looking for appliance to overcome firewall

On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:19:53 -0500, Bill wrote:

> I have a need to demo IP enabled equipment at potential customer premises
> FROM THE OUTSIDE.
>
> This causes all kinds of headaches getting the IT guy to open up an incoming
> port to my box so I can command it from my office.
>
> I am wondering if there is an applicance that uses outgoing requests to fool
> a firewall into allowing the outside data in.
>
> It would need to be a paired setup and best if it uses port 80.
> Since the inside device would essentially be polling the outside device, it
> would not be fast - but it does not have to be.
>
> I talked it over with a couple of VPN appliance vendors and one of them
> said it was possible -
> "basically that is how IM gets in" but he did not know of one.
>
> Anyone know if this exists and where I could buy one?

Why can't you just get a VPN appliance and setup so that it forms a VPN
tunnel to your office and then you can connect your PC to your local VPN
appliance, the VPN appliance to the customers network, and as long as they
permit PPTP or IPSec outbound unrestricted (which I would never do), then
you can run without them having to do anything.





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Re: Looking for appliance to overcome firewall

Bill wrote:
> I have a need to demo IP enabled equipment at potential customer premises
> FROM THE OUTSIDE.
>
> This causes all kinds of headaches getting the IT guy to open up an incoming
> port to my box so I can command it from my office.
>
> I am wondering if there is an applicance that uses outgoing requests to fool
> a firewall into allowing the outside data in.



Am I missing something?

Why not "ask permission?"

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Notan

Re: Looking for appliance to overcome firewall

VPN appliances don't solve the problem since most firewalls still have to be
touched to enable a tunnel

sometimes permission is not given and since I am trying to sell them a
product, I can't twist arms.

A plug & play solution that does not involve talking to the IT guy is what I
am looking for.

Bill






"Notan" wrote in message
news:QeOdnZouCK85eFTYnZ2dnUVZ_s3inZ2d@giganews.com...
> Bill wrote:
>> I have a need to demo IP enabled equipment at potential customer premises
>> FROM THE OUTSIDE.
>>
>> This causes all kinds of headaches getting the IT guy to open up an
>> incoming port to my box so I can command it from my office.
>>
>> I am wondering if there is an applicance that uses outgoing requests to
>> fool a firewall into allowing the outside data in.
>
>
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> Why not "ask permission?"
>
> --
> Notan

Re: Looking for appliance to overcome firewall

On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:41:19 -0600, Leythos wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:19:53 -0500, Bill wrote:
>
>> I have a need to demo IP enabled equipment at potential customer premises
>> FROM THE OUTSIDE.
>>
>> This causes all kinds of headaches getting the IT guy to open up an incoming
>> port to my box so I can command it from my office.
>>
>> I am wondering if there is an applicance that uses outgoing requests to fool
>> a firewall into allowing the outside data in.
>>
>> It would need to be a paired setup and best if it uses port 80.
>> Since the inside device would essentially be polling the outside device, it
>> would not be fast - but it does not have to be.
>>
>> I talked it over with a couple of VPN appliance vendors and one of them
>> said it was possible -
>> "basically that is how IM gets in" but he did not know of one.
>>
>> Anyone know if this exists and where I could buy one?
>
> Why can't you just get a VPN appliance and setup so that it forms a VPN
> tunnel to your office and then you can connect your PC to your local VPN
> appliance, the VPN appliance to the customers network, and as long as they
> permit PPTP or IPSec outbound unrestricted (which I would never do), then
> you can run without them having to do anything.

You're not looking for the right appliances (sorry to follow my own post).

There are new SSL VPN appliances, and many companies leave SSL open, check
on the newer SSL VPN appliances.





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Re: Looking for appliance to overcome firewall

Bill,

I'm confused. If you are invited in to demonstrate an appliance which
you are going to connect to a network, would the person who invited you
in not be breaching local security policy by allowing you to connect
your device 'without permission'? (If someone allowed a supplier to
connect a device to ANY part of my network without permission, they
would face disciplinary action, if not sacking and any supplier
attempting such actions would be banned from site.)

Would it be a workable solution to provide your customer with a laptop
or some other portable device, with a cellular telephone (assuming that
would be allowed) for connectivity to demonstrate it's remote capabilities?

Bogwitch.

Bill wrote:
> VPN appliances don't solve the problem since most firewalls still have to be
> touched to enable a tunnel
>
> sometimes permission is not given and since I am trying to sell them a
> product, I can't twist arms.
>
> A plug & play solution that does not involve talking to the IT guy is what I
> am looking for.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Notan" wrote in message
> news:QeOdnZouCK85eFTYnZ2dnUVZ_s3inZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Bill wrote:
>>> I have a need to demo IP enabled equipment at potential customer premises
>>> FROM THE OUTSIDE.
>>>
>>> This causes all kinds of headaches getting the IT guy to open up an
>>> incoming port to my box so I can command it from my office.
>>>
>>> I am wondering if there is an applicance that uses outgoing requests to
>>> fool a firewall into allowing the outside data in.
>>
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>>
>> Why not "ask permission?"
>>
>> --
>> Notan
>
>

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Re: Looking for appliance to overcome firewall

On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:48:59 -0500, "Bill" wrote:

> sometimes permission is not given and since I am trying to sell them a
>product, I can't twist arms.

So you want to covertly circumvent their network security? I wish I knew
what you were selling and to whom...

Re: Looking for appliance to overcome firewall

Bill wrote:
> I have a need to demo IP enabled equipment at potential customer premises
> FROM THE OUTSIDE.
>
> This causes all kinds of headaches getting the IT guy to open up an incoming
> port to my box so I can command it from my office.
>
> I am wondering if there is an applicance that uses outgoing requests to fool
> a firewall into allowing the outside data in.
>
> It would need to be a paired setup and best if it uses port 80.
> Since the inside device would essentially be polling the outside device, it
> would not be fast - but it does not have to be.
>
> I talked it over with a couple of VPN appliance vendors and one of them
> said it was possible -
> "basically that is how IM gets in" but he did not know of one.
>
> Anyone know if this exists and where I could buy one?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
>
>

Sounds like a Trojan horse if there ever was one!

Re: Looking for appliance to overcome firewall

"Bill" wrote in message
news:45c9e009$0$16713$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>I have a need to demo IP enabled equipment at potential customer premises
>FROM THE OUTSIDE.
>
> This causes all kinds of headaches getting the IT guy to open up an
> incoming port to my box so I can command it from my office.
>
> I am wondering if there is an applicance that uses outgoing requests to
> fool a firewall into allowing the outside data in.
>
> It would need to be a paired setup and best if it uses port 80.
> Since the inside device would essentially be polling the outside device,
> it would not be fast - but it does not have to be.
>
> I talked it over with a couple of VPN appliance vendors and one of them
> said it was possible -
> "basically that is how IM gets in" but he did not know of one.
>
> Anyone know if this exists and where I could buy one?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
>

www.gotomypc.com

Re: Looking for appliance to overcome firewall

"Bill" wrote in
news:45c9f4ed$0$5802$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:

> VPN appliances don't solve the problem since most firewalls still have
> to be touched to enable a tunnel
>
> sometimes permission is not given and since I am trying to sell them
> a
> product, I can't twist arms.
>
> A plug & play solution that does not involve talking to the IT guy is
> what I am looking for.
>
> Bill
>
>

So... you want to avoid talking to the IT guys for what reason exactly?
The IT department likely denied it for a reason. I don't think it is
because of a God complex. Why keep them out of the loop?
My next question is, what are you trying to sell that raised the antenna
of the IT guys? See point one... they likely denied it for a reason. How
about a bit of info on this product?



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