Combating pro-Mexican-immigration propaganda

Illegal Mexicans and US employers are teaming up to screw the American
worker.

http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/mexico.html

Re: Combating pro-Mexican-immigration propaganda

On 9 mei, 14:09, Useful Info wrote:
> Illegal Mexicans and US employers are teaming up to screw the American
> worker.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/mexico.html

I have no doubt that neither wants to screw up anyone in particular.
Mexicans want jobs, US employers want to pay low wages.

For the American workers it might be helpfull
if there were only legal Mexicans who could join US workers unions.
(Hence: would get payed the same wages as the US worker)

Besides Mexicans are just as much Americans as US workers
and on average there ancesters were in America much earlier too:)


Peter van Velzen (Alien)
May 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands

PS worker from Poland are coming in to Europe legaly now,
and Poland is much bigger than the Netherlands,
with much more people in it.

Re: Combating pro-Mexican-immigration propaganda

On May 9, 7:09 am, Useful Info wrote:
> Illegal Mexicans and US employers are teaming up to screw the American
> worker.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/mexico.html

We put a lot of effort into insuring there are enough
lawn care, restaurant, and menial labor jobs for our children.
Unfortunately, while we're doing that, the Chinese and Indians
are sending *their* children to college to study engineering.

As I told my sons, "If after all the advantages you've had, the best
you can manage is to lose a labor job to an illegal immigrant,
you're not going to get a hell of a lot of sympathy from me."

-jc

Re: Combating pro-Mexican-immigration propaganda

In article
<1178727704.243134.69460@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
jcon wrote:

> As I told my sons, "If after all the advantages you've had, the best
> you can manage is to lose a labor job to an illegal immigrant,
> you're not going to get a hell of a lot of sympathy from me."

You are the sort of dad I have always secretly wanted. Interested
in adopting an unusually old child?

--
dorayme

Re: Combating pro-Mexican-immigration propaganda

jcon writes:

> As I told my sons, "If after all the advantages you've had, the best
> you can manage is to lose a labor job to an illegal immigrant,
> you're not going to get a hell of a lot of sympathy from me."

Very well said!

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Re: Combating pro-Mexican-immigration propaganda

In article <1178723572.395723.111800@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" wrote:

>
> PS worker from Poland are coming in to Europe legaly now,
> and Poland is much bigger than the Netherlands,
> with much more people in it.

Wasn't Poland always part of Europe (at least since when its borders
were established following WW I)?

Anyway, it is one thing to have immigrants entering the country
_legally_, taking on jobs, etc. It is quite another for immigrants to
enter the country _illegally_.

If anything, the US could probably take in more legal immigrants. The
issue many folks here have, however, is that it may not be in the
national interest to take in uncontrollable numbers of illegal
immigrants. That's not a situation peculiar to the US. Most nations, for
a variety of reasons (admittedly historically not always morally
justifiable), wish to control the number of immigrants entering the
country.

--
Joel.

Re: Combating pro-Mexican-immigration propaganda

"Joel Shepherd" wrote in message
news:joelshep-66EC4E.20505109052007@news.west.earthlink.net. ..
> In article <1178723572.395723.111800@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> "pbamvv@worldonline.nl" wrote:
>
>>
>> PS worker from Poland are coming in to Europe legaly now,
>> and Poland is much bigger than the Netherlands,
>> with much more people in it.
>
> Wasn't Poland always part of Europe (at least since when its borders
> were established following WW I)?
>
> Anyway, it is one thing to have immigrants entering the country
> _legally_, taking on jobs, etc. It is quite another for immigrants to
> enter the country _illegally_.
>
> If anything, the US could probably take in more legal immigrants. The
> issue many folks here have, however, is that it may not be in the
> national interest to take in uncontrollable numbers of illegal
> immigrants. That's not a situation peculiar to the US. Most nations, for
> a variety of reasons (admittedly historically not always morally
> justifiable), wish to control the number of immigrants entering the
> country.

Xenophobia.

>
> --
> Joel.

Re: Combating pro-Mexican-immigration propaganda

On 10 mei, 05:50, Joel Shepherd wrote:
> In article <1178723572.395723.111...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> "pba...@worldonline.nl" wrote:
>
> > PS worker from Poland are coming in to Europe legaly now,
> > and Poland is much bigger than the Netherlands,
> > with much more people in it.
>
> Wasn't Poland always part of Europe (at least since when its borders
> were established following WW I)?

Poland joined the European union on May 1, 2004
Polish workers have equal rights to employment in the Netherlands
since May 1, 2007. They fall under the the Dutch law and thus must
earne minimum wages of 1268 Euro a month for people working 40 hours a
week.

My Nephew is complaining about them nevertheless,
because Polish companies could send people over already
and they could possibly pay Polish mimimum wages
which would make them cheaper.
"But you get what you pay for" my Nephew adds,
implying the polish companies make a bad job of it.


>
> Anyway, it is one thing to have immigrants entering the country
> _legally_, taking on jobs, etc. It is quite another for immigrants to
> enter the country _illegally_.
>
> If anything, the US could probably take in more legal immigrants. The
> issue many folks here have, however, is that it may not be in the
> national interest to take in uncontrollable numbers of illegal
> immigrants. That's not a situation peculiar to the US. Most nations, for
> a variety of reasons (admittedly historically not always morally
> justifiable), wish to control the number of immigrants entering the
> country.Joel.

It may be in the interest of US citizens though if more Mexicans were
there legally and less peope were in the USA illegally. Never mind the
moral implications.
Both the US and Mexico (and especially there peoples) would profit.

But it's up to the US citizens I presume,
if they prefer trying to stop the tide, I assume it's their choice.

Peter van Velzen
May 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands