ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007

=========================== alt.html Statistics ============================
Total posts considered: 249 over 7 days
Earliest article: Sun May 6 21:01:15 2007
Latest article: Sun May 13 20:01:14 2007
Original articles: 35, replies: 214
Total size of posts: 523,396 bytes (511 kbytes) (0.50 Mbytes)
Average 35 articles per day, 0.07 Mbytes per day, 2,101 bytes per article
Total headers: 270 kbytes, bodies: 240 kbytes
Body: quoted 102 kbytes, original 127 kbytes = 55.31%, sigs 10 kbytes
Total number of posters: 75, average 6,978 bytes per poster
Total number of threads: 51, average 10,262 bytes per thread
Total number of User-Agents: 15
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==================== Top Posters by Number of Messages =====================
Poster Msgs
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1: dorayme ........................................................ 38
2: Neredbojias .................................................... 25
3: Jonathan N. Little ............................................. 15
4: Ben C .......................................................... 11
5: Sherm Pendley .................................................. 11
6: El Kabong ...................................................... 8
7: BootNic ........................................................ 8
8: Timmermans ..................................................... 7
9: Adrienne Boswell ............................................... 7
10: J.O. Aho ....................................................... 6
11: Bergamot ....................................................... 6
12: Jukka K. Korpela ............................................... 5
13: bencoe@gmail.com............................................ .... 4
14: Travis Newbury ................................................. 4
15: JD ............................................................ . 4
16: John Hosking ................................................... 3
17: Beauregard T. Shagnasty ........................................ 3
18: James A ........................................................ 3
19: Oliver Wong .................................................... 3
20: temujin ........................................................ 3
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======================= Top Posters by Size (kbytes) =======================
Poster Hdrs Quot Orig Sig Total
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1: dorayme ........................ 36 20 22 0 79
2: Neredbojias .................... 31 14 7 1 54
3: Jonathan N. Little ............. 18 6 4 2 30
4: Ben C .......................... 13 10 2 0 27
5: Sherm Pendley .................. 14 2 3 1 22
6: Toby Inkster ................... 0 0 21 0 22
7: BootNic ........................ 10 4 1 1 18
8: Timmermans ..................... 7 4 5 0 17
9: El Kabong ...................... 8 3 5 0 16
10: Adrienne Boswell ............... 6 3 2 0 14
11: J.O. Aho ....................... 4 2 3 0 11
12: Jukka K. Korpela ............... 5 1 2 0 10
13: Agix ........................... 2 1 4 0 8
14: bencoe@gmail.com................ 4 0 2 0 7
15: James A ........................ 2 2 2 0 7
16: Bergamot ....................... 4 1 0 0 7
17: Travis Newbury ................. 4 0 1 0 6
18: JD ............................. 3 1 1 0 6
19: John Hosking ................... 3 1 1 0 6
20: Oliver Wong .................... 2 1 1 0 5
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================== Top Posters by Original Text (kbytes) ===================
Poster Total
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1: dorayme ........................................................ 22
2: Neredbojias .................................................... 7
3: El Kabong ...................................................... 5
4: Timmermans ..................................................... 5
5: Agix ........................................................... 4
6: Jonathan N. Little ............................................. 4
7: Sherm Pendley .................................................. 3
8: J.O. Aho ....................................................... 3
9: Jukka K. Korpela ............................................... 2
10: Ben C .......................................................... 2
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=================== Highest Percentage of Original Text ====================
Poster Orig Body %age
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1: El Kabong ...................................... 3 8 64
2: Jukka K. Korpela ............................... 1 4 62
3: J.O. Aho ....................................... 2 6 53
4: dorayme ........................................ 20 42 51
5: Timmermans ..................................... 4 10 50
6: Sherm Pendley .................................. 2 7 48
7: Adrienne Boswell ............................... 3 7 39
8: Bergamot ....................................... 1 2 38
9: Jonathan N. Little ............................. 6 12 33
10: Neredbojias .................................... 14 23 33
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==================== Lowest Percentage of Original Text ====================
Poster Orig Body %age
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------
1: Ben C .......................................... 10 13 22
2: BootNic ........................................ 4 8 22
3: Jonathan N. Little ............................. 6 12 33
4: Neredbojias .................................... 14 23 33
5: Bergamot ....................................... 1 2 38
6: Adrienne Boswell ............................... 3 7 39
7: Sherm Pendley .................................. 2 7 48
8: Timmermans ..................................... 4 10 50
9: dorayme ........................................ 20 42 51
10: J.O. Aho ....................................... 2 6 53
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==================== Top Threads By Number of Messages =====================
Thread Msgs
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1: Browsers, browsers! Quo vadis?.................................. 23
2: Why?........................................................ .... 22
3: Convert javascript print-tag to html............................ 21
4: 100% height container........................................... 13
5: Style vs. substance............................................. 11
6: What have they done!?........................................... 10
7: The USA is becoming a police state.............................. 9
8: Making letters and symbols stay together........................ 9
9: frameset problem in ie6......................................... 8
10: Problems with margins, paddings, divs and floats! PLEASE HELP... 8
11: Combating pro-Mexican-immigration propaganda.................... 8
12: Right margin in IE?............................................. 8
13: how to change Background Color (for printing)................... 8
14: Webpage printable area.......................................... 7
15: Search Engine Project........................................... 6
16: Link in pop-up.................................................. 6
17: I got an invite to be included in a directory................... 5
18: The tag: should one use "width" or "size"?.............. 5
19: W3c styles...................................................... 5
20: Creating a Simple Table......................................... 5
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======================= Top Threads By Size (kbytes) =======================
Thread Hdrs Quot Orig Sig Total
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1: Browsers, browsers! Quo vadis?.. 24 10 16 1 52
2: Convert javascript print-tag to. 24 9 10 2 46
3: Why?............................ 20 13 10 0 44
4: Style vs. substance............. 16 8 4 0 29
5: What have they done!?........... 16 6 4 0 27
6: 100% height container........... 14 6 4 0 26
7: ALT.HTML Statistics for 06/05/2. 0 0 21 0 22
8: Problems with margins, paddings. 8 4 7 0 20
9: Right margin in IE?............. 8 5 3 0 18
10: Making letters and symbols stay. 8 4 3 0 16
11: Combating pro-Mexican-immigrati. 9 2 3 0 15
12: frameset problem in ie6......... 7 2 3 0 14
13: Webpage printable area.......... 7 3 2 0 14
14: how to change Background Color . 7 2 1 0 12
15: Search Engine Project........... 7 1 3 0 12
16: Link in pop-up.................. 5 4 2 0 11
17: The USA is becoming a police st. 9 0 1 0 11
18: W3c styles...................... 5 1 1 0 8
19: The tag: should one use. 5 1 1 0 8
20: I got an invite to be included . 5 0 1 0 8
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========================= Most Replied-To Messages =========================
Message-ID Replies
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1: <2Cn0i.39$SI1.12@newsfe06.lga>.................................. 12
2: <1178670953.435729.78430@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>.......... 7
3: <1178674407.419027.317150@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>......... 5
4: <1178519345.912333.118220@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>.......... 4
5: ............................... 3
6: <1178712570.344095.54940@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>........... 3
7: <1178826191.641269.236590@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>......... 3
8: <1178783707.521114.326590@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>......... 3
9: 10: <1178655194.371214.37450@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>.......... 3
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========================= Most Cross-Posted Groups =========================
Group Msgs
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1: alt.energy.renewable........................................ .... 9
2: sci.energy.................................................. .... 9
3: alt.solar.photovoltaic...................................... .... 9
4: misc.immigration.usa........................................ .... 8
5: alt.impeach.bush............................................ .... 8
6: misc.immigration.canada..................................... .... 8
7: alt.atheism................................................. .... 8
8: soc.culture.german.......................................... .... 7
9: alt.internet.search-engines................................. .... 5
10: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html......................... .... 2
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=================== Top User-Agents by Number of Posters ===================
User-Agent Posters
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------
1: G2.......................................................... .... 27
2: Outlook Express................................................. 14
3: Mozilla..................................................... .... 7
4: Mozilla Thunderbird............................................. 6
5: slrn........................................................ .... 4
6: Xnews....................................................... .... 3
7: Forte Agent..................................................... 3
8: MT-NewsWatcher.............................................. .... 3
9: 40tude Dialog................................................... 2
10: Hogwasher................................................... .... 1
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================== Top User-Agents by Number of Messages ===================
User-Agent Msgs
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------
1: G2.......................................................... .... 46
2: Outlook Express................................................. 44
3: MT-NewsWatcher.............................................. .... 41
4: Xnews....................................................... .... 33
5: Mozilla..................................................... .... 32
6: slrn........................................................ .... 15
7: Gnus........................................................ .... 11
8: Mozilla Thunderbird............................................. 11
9: 40tude Dialog................................................... 4
10: Forte Agent..................................................... 4
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======= Bandwidth-Wasting User-Agents by Average Header Size (bytes) =======
User-Agent Hdrs Msgs Avg
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1: Gnus............................................ 14732 11 1339
2: slrn............................................ 18346 15 1223
3: Xnews........................................... 39845 33 1207
4: Outlook Express................................. 49824 44 1132
5: G2.............................................. 51572 46 1121
6: Mozilla......................................... 35165 32 1098
7: MT-NewsWatcher.................................. 41258 41 1006
8: Mozilla Thunderbird............................. 10089 11 917
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===================== Top Servers by Number of Posters =====================
Posters
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1: googlegroups.com............................................ .... 27
2: individual.net.............................................. .... 8
3: roadrunner.com.............................................. .... 3
4: newspeer1-win.ntli.net...................................... .... 3
5: newsfeed.telus.net.......................................... .... 2
6: news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net................................ .... 2
7: stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net.............................. .... 2
8: hw-filter.lga............................................... .... 2
9: worldnet.att.net............................................ .... 2
10: nntp.comcast.com............................................ .... 2
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======================= Top Servers by Size (kbytes) =======================
Server Hdrs Quot Orig Sig Total
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1: googlegroups.com................ 50 7 23 0 81
2: news.optusnet.com.au............ 36 20 22 0 79
3: DIALUPUSA.NET................... 31 14 7 1 54
4: individual.net.................. 19 7 7 0 35
5: NAXS.COM-a2kHrUvQQWlmc.......... 18 6 4 2 30
6: nntp.comcast.com................ 17 3 4 1 27
7: nntp.eclipse.net.uk............. 13 10 2 0 27
8: news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net.... 2 0 22 0 26
9: stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net.. 13 5 2 1 22
10: news1.tm.net.my................. 7 4 5 0 17
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=================== Top Time Zones by Number of Posters ====================
Zone Posters
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1: -0700....................................................... .... 29
2: UTC......................................................... .... 17
3: -0400....................................................... .... 11
4: +0100....................................................... .... 7
5: -0500....................................................... .... 5
6: +0200....................................................... .... 3
7: +1000....................................................... .... 1
8: +0800....................................................... .... 1
9: +0300....................................................... .... 1
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=================== Top Time Zones by Number of Messages ===================
Zone Msgs
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1: UTC......................................................... .... 69
2: -0700....................................................... .... 48
3: +1000....................................................... .... 38
4: -0400....................................................... .... 38
5: -0500....................................................... .... 20
6: +0100....................................................... .... 14
7: +0200....................................................... .... 10
8: +0800....................................................... .... 7
9: +0300....................................................... .... 5
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================= Days When We are Most in Need of a Life ==================
Day Msgs
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1: Mon......................................................... .... 16
2: Tue......................................................... .... 23
3: Wed......................................................... .... 38
4: Thu......................................................... .... 40
5: Fri......................................................... .... 28
6: Sat......................................................... .... 37
7: Sun......................................................... .... 18
8: Non-RFC822 Header............................................... 49
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Stats compiled by Toby Inkster.

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Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
http://tobyinkster.co.uk/

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007

Toby Inkster wrote:

> Total number of posters: 75, average 6,978 bytes per poster

> =================== Top Posters by Number of Messages ====================
> Poster Msgs
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------
> 1: dorayme ...................................................... 38
> 2: Neredbojias .................................................. 25
> 3: Jonathan N. Little ........................................... 15
> 4: Ben C ........................................................ 11
> 5: Sherm Pendley ................................................ 11
> 6: El Kabong .................................................... 8
> 7: BootNic ...................................................... 8
> 8: Timmermans ................................................... 7
> 9: Adrienne Boswell ............................................. 7
> 10: J.O. Aho ..................................................... 6
> 11: Bergamot ..................................................... 6
> 12: Jukka K. Korpela ............................................. 5
> 13: bencoe@gmail.com............................................ .. 4
> 14: Travis Newbury ............................................... 4
> 15: JD ........................................................... 4
> 16: John Hosking ................................................. 3
> 17: Beauregard T. Shagnasty ...................................... 3
> 18: James A ...................................................... 3
> 19: Oliver Wong .................................................. 3
> 20: temujin ...................................................... 3
> ============================================================ ==============
>


> ================== Highest Percentage of Original Text ===================
> Poster Orig Body %age
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------
> 1: El Kabong .................................... 3 8 64
> 2: Jukka K. Korpela ............................. 1 4 62
> 3: J.O. Aho ..................................... 2 6 53
> 4: dorayme ...................................... 20 42 51
> 5: Timmermans ................................... 4 10 50
> 6: Sherm Pendley ................................ 2 7 48
> 7: Adrienne Boswell ............................. 3 7 39
> 8: Bergamot ..................................... 1 2 38
> 9: Jonathan N. Little ........................... 6 12 33
> 10: Neredbojias .................................. 14 23 33
> ============================================================ ==============
>
>
> =================== Lowest Percentage of Original Text ===================
> Poster Orig Body %age
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------
> 1: Ben C ........................................ 10 13 22
> 2: BootNic ...................................... 4 8 22
> 3: Jonathan N. Little ........................... 6 12 33
> 4: Neredbojias .................................. 14 23 33
> 5: Bergamot ..................................... 1 2 38
> 6: Adrienne Boswell ............................. 3 7 39
> 7: Sherm Pendley ................................ 2 7 48
> 8: Timmermans ................................... 4 10 50
> 9: dorayme ...................................... 20 42 51
> 10: J.O. Aho ..................................... 2 6 53
> ============================================================ ==============

The way "Highest Percentage" and "Lowest Percentage" intersect, one
might conclude there were only 12 different posters this week. But "Top
Posters" lists 20 of them, and the figures at the top of the report says
75. I'm all worn out from scratching my head. :-p

Are there some qualifying attributes required before posts (or posters)
are included in the "Original Text" percentage calculations?

--
John

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007

In article <4647d592$1_3@news.bluewin.ch>,
John Hosking wrote:

> Are there some qualifying attributes required before posts (or posters)
> are included in the "Original Text" percentage calculations?

Yes, they have to be of gorgeous appearance, tall as tall can be,
clever as hell, and with nerves of steel.

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007

dorayme wrote:
> In article <4647d592$1_3@news.bluewin.ch>,
> John Hosking wrote:
>
>> Are there some qualifying attributes required before posts (or posters)
>> are included in the "Original Text" percentage calculations?
>
> Yes, they have to be of gorgeous appearance, tall as tall can be,
> clever as hell, and with nerves of steel.
>

Does planet of origin factor in?

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
http://mozilla.edmullen.net
http://abington.edmullen.net

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007

"Toby Inkster" wrote in message
news:20070513200700.stat.alt.html@tobyinkster.co.uk...
> =========================== alt.html Statistics
> ============================
>
> Stats compiled by Toby Inkster.
>
> --
> Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
> http://tobyinkster.co.uk/

Is there a site that would educate someone who just "stumbled in" to
newsgroup participation regarding Usenet etiquette?

Being listed as "Highest Percentage of Original Text" makes me nervous. Is
that good, bad, or "who cares"?

El

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007

El Kabong wrote:

> Is there a site that would educate someone who just "stumbled in" to
> newsgroup participation regarding Usenet etiquette?

Google is your friend.

This comes up early in a search for "usenet etiquette":


One thing to remember is to snip signatures when you reply. Sigs are
delimited by two dashes, a space, and a carriage return.

If you want to continue to use OE, get OE-QuoteFix. Or better yet, get a
modern real newsreader that already does that (and more) without
add-ons. I like 40tude Dialog when using Windows.

http://k75s.home.att.net/tips.html#newsreaders

> Being listed as "Highest Percentage of Original Text" makes me
> nervous. Is that good, bad, or "who cares"?

It could possibly mean that you didn't quote what you were replying to,
and everything you posted was 'original text' in your posts.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote in message
news:FF_1i.17106$yM2.16271@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.ne t...
> El Kabong wrote:
>
>> Is there a site that would educate someone who just "stumbled in" to
>> newsgroup participation regarding Usenet etiquette?
>
> Google is your friend.
>
> This comes up early in a search for "usenet etiquette":
>
>
> One thing to remember is to snip signatures when you reply. Sigs are
> delimited by two dashes, a space, and a carriage return.
>
> If you want to continue to use OE, get OE-QuoteFix. Or better yet, get a
> modern real newsreader that already does that (and more) without
> add-ons. I like 40tude Dialog when using Windows.
>
> http://k75s.home.att.net/tips.html#newsreaders
>

Grazzi!

I'll give it a try.

El

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007

In article ,
Ed Mullen wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
> > In article <4647d592$1_3@news.bluewin.ch>,
> > John Hosking wrote:
> >
> >> Are there some qualifying attributes required before posts (or posters)
> >> are included in the "Original Text" percentage calculations?
> >
> > Yes, they have to be of gorgeous appearance, tall as tall can be,
> > clever as hell, and with nerves of steel.
> >
>
> Does planet of origin factor in?

Everyone knows that Mars is higher than Earth. Earthlings can
simply see this fact most nights.

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007

dorayme wrote:
> In article ,
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>
>> dorayme wrote:
>>> In article <4647d592$1_3@news.bluewin.ch>,
>>> John Hosking wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are there some qualifying attributes required before posts (or posters)
>>>> are included in the "Original Text" percentage calculations?
>>> Yes, they have to be of gorgeous appearance, tall as tall can be,
>>> clever as hell, and with nerves of steel.
>>>
>> Does planet of origin factor in?
>
> Everyone knows that Mars is higher than Earth. Earthlings can
> simply see this fact most nights.
>

"Higher?" So, is your universe only two-dimensional? Hmm. I foresee a
refill of my Jim Beam in order to contemplate the significance of this.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
http://mozilla.edmullen.net
http://abington.edmullen.net

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007

In article ,
Ed Mullen wrote:

> > Everyone knows that Mars is higher than Earth. Earthlings can
> > simply see this fact most nights.
> >
>
> "Higher?" So, is your universe only two-dimensional? Hmm. I foresee a
> refill of my Jim Beam in order to contemplate the significance of this.

No, it seems I have made a mistake, you are right. I had a call
from a strident critic of the flat earth society on the other
side of the earth yester_day_ assuring me she was looking at Mars
above her. Put that bottle away Ed, I will not take
responsibility.

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007

dorayme wrote:
> In article ,
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>
>>> Everyone knows that Mars is higher than Earth. Earthlings can
>>> simply see this fact most nights.
>>>
>> "Higher?" So, is your universe only two-dimensional? Hmm. I foresee a
>> refill of my Jim Beam in order to contemplate the significance of this.
>
> No, it seems I have made a mistake, you are right. I had a call
> from a strident critic of the flat earth society on the other
> side of the earth yester_day_ assuring me she was looking at Mars
> above her. Put that bottle away Ed, I will not take
> responsibility.
>

I thank you. The owner of the local liquor store, however, may not be
as grateful.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
http://mozilla.edmullen.net
http://abington.edmullen.net

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007

John Hosking wrote:

> Are there some qualifying attributes required before posts (or posters)
> are included in the "Original Text" percentage calculations?

Sorry I missed this question earlier.

Indeed there are. To ensure a fair sample of text for each poster
evaluated, only posters who have posted five or more messages in the given
period (one week) are included.

For what it's worth, the definition of "original text" is: any text that
isn't quoted, isn't part of a signature and isn't on a line entirely
consisting of whitespace. This is measured as a byte count, and not a line
count -- so two short lines don't count as double the original text of one
long line.

In turn quoted text is any text where the first non-whitespace character
on the line is one of '>', '|', ':' or '}'.

And a signature is any text, including or following the *first* match of
the Perl-compatible regular expression /\r\n-- ?\r\n/.

--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
[Geek of HTML/SQL/Perl/PHP/Python/Apache/Linux]
[OS: Linux 2.6.12-12mdksmp, up 95 days, 18:09.]

Non-Intuitive Surnames
http://tobyinkster.co.uk/blog/2007/05/25/non-intuitive-surna mes/

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007

El Kabong wrote:

> Being listed as "Highest Percentage of Original Text" makes me nervous. Is
> that good, bad, or "who cares"?

Most people would regard a high percentage of original text as being a
good thing: in general, it indicates that you're contributing information
rather than simply regurgitating it.

Excessive quoting can make a post annoying to read, and the people on the
list of the lowest percentage of original text should consider this when
they post.

On the other hand, excessive trimming of a quoted post can be almost as
bad.

--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
[Geek of HTML/SQL/Perl/PHP/Python/Apache/Linux]
[OS: Linux 2.6.12-12mdksmp, up 95 days, 18:22.]

Non-Intuitive Surnames
http://tobyinkster.co.uk/blog/2007/05/25/non-intuitive-surna mes/

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007

Toby A Inkster wrote:
> John Hosking wrote:
>
>> Are there some qualifying attributes required before posts (or posters)
>> are included in the "Original Text" percentage calculations?
>
> Sorry I missed this question earlier.

I figured you were busy... :-)


> Indeed there are. To ensure a fair sample of text for each poster
> evaluated, only posters who have posted five or more messages in the given
> period (one week) are included.
>
> For what it's worth, the definition of "original text" is: any text that
> isn't quoted, isn't part of a signature and isn't on a line entirely
> consisting of whitespace. This is measured as a byte count, and not a line
> count -- so two short lines don't count as double the original text of one
> long line.

Okay, thanks, Toby.

--
John