ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

=========================== alt.html Statistics ============================
Total posts considered: 199 over 7 days
Earliest article: Sun May 13 21:01:14 2007
Latest article: Sun May 20 20:01:14 2007
Original articles: 49, replies: 150
Total size of posts: 387,679 bytes (378 kbytes) (0.37 Mbytes)
Average 28 articles per day, 0.05 Mbytes per day, 1,948 bytes per article
Total headers: 205 kbytes, bodies: 173 kbytes
Body: quoted 61 kbytes, original 100 kbytes = 62.18%, sigs 12 kbytes
Total number of posters: 83, average 4,670 bytes per poster
Total number of threads: 58, average 6,684 bytes per thread
Total number of User-Agents: 16
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==================== Top Posters by Number of Messages =====================
Poster Msgs
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1: dorayme ........................................................ 17
2: Beauregard T. Shagnasty ........................................ 12
3: Neredbojias .................................................... 10
4: John Hosking ................................................... 9
5: Jukka K. Korpela ............................................... 9
6: Toby A Inkster ................................................. 8
7: Jonathan N. Little ............................................. 7
8: Ed Mullen ...................................................... 5
9: Ben C .......................................................... 5
10: Andy Dingley ................................................... 4
11: BootNic ........................................................ 4
12: Mason C ........................................................ 4
13: Mohawk Mawk .................................................... 4
14: cwdjrxyz ....................................................... 3
15: Edwin van der Vaart ............................................ 3
16: El Kabong ...................................................... 3
17: Rob White ...................................................... 3
18: JWL ............................................................ 3
19: Blinky the Shark ............................................... 3
20: Jim Moe ........................................................ 2
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======================= Top Posters by Size (kbytes) =======================
Poster Hdrs Quot Orig Sig Total
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1: dorayme ........................ 14 6 7 0 28
2: Toby Inkster ................... 0 0 21 0 22
3: John Hosking ................... 9 6 3 0 20
4: Beauregard T. Shagnasty ........ 13 2 3 0 20
5: Neredbojias .................... 11 4 3 0 20
6: Jukka K. Korpela ............... 11 1 6 0 19
7: Jonathan N. Little ............. 8 3 1 0 13
8: Toby A Inkster ................. 5 1 2 3 12
9: Ed Mullen ...................... 7 2 0 0 10
10: Ben C .......................... 5 2 1 0 10
11: BootNic ........................ 6 1 1 0 9
12: cwdjrxyz ....................... 3 2 4 0 9
13: Edwin van der Vaart ............ 2 3 1 0 9
14: Rob White ...................... 3 2 2 0 7
15: Mohawk Mawk .................... 4 0 2 0 7
16: JWL ............................ 2 3 1 0 7
17: Andy Dingley ................... 4 0 1 0 6
18: Mason C ........................ 4 0 0 0 6
19: El Kabong ...................... 2 1 0 0 5
20: Karl C. ........................ 1 2 1 0 5
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================== Top Posters by Original Text (kbytes) ===================
Poster Total
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1: dorayme ........................................................ 7
2: Jukka K. Korpela ............................................... 6
3: cwdjrxyz ....................................................... 4
4: Neredbojias .................................................... 3
5: John Hosking ................................................... 3
6: Beauregard T. Shagnasty ........................................ 3
7: Mohawk Mawk .................................................... 2
8: Toby A Inkster ................................................. 2
9: Rob White ...................................................... 2
10: Ben C .......................................................... 1
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=================== Highest Percentage of Original Text ====================
Poster Orig Body %age
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1: Jukka K. Korpela ............................... 1 8 73
2: dorayme ........................................ 6 13 50
3: Beauregard T. Shagnasty ........................ 2 6 46
4: Neredbojias .................................... 4 8 45
5: Ben C .......................................... 2 4 42
6: John Hosking ................................... 6 10 36
7: Toby A Inkster ................................. 1 7 35
8: Jonathan N. Little ............................. 3 5 25
9: Ed Mullen ...................................... 2 3 13
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==================== Lowest Percentage of Original Text ====================
Poster Orig Body %age
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1: Ed Mullen ...................................... 2 3 13
2: Jonathan N. Little ............................. 3 5 25
3: Toby A Inkster ................................. 1 7 35
4: John Hosking ................................... 6 10 36
5: Ben C .......................................... 2 4 42
6: Neredbojias .................................... 4 8 45
7: Beauregard T. Shagnasty ........................ 2 6 46
8: dorayme ........................................ 6 13 50
9: Jukka K. Korpela ............................... 1 8 73
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==================== Top Threads By Number of Messages =====================
Thread Msgs
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1: newbie radio button qstn........................................ 18
2: Make the links visible. PLEASE !................................ 13
3: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2007.............................. 11
4: CSS layout question............................................. 11
5: Strange Image Size Problem...................................... 10
6: Forrest Is An Asshole........................................... 10
7: XHTML2?..................................................... .... 10
8: Form POST problem............................................... 7
9: Decimal code or entity?......................................... 6
10: Timed HTML (SMIL)............................................... 6
11: Why is vertical centering such a pain in the ass?............... 5
12: 100% height container........................................... 5
13: semitransparent div............................................. 5
14: IE 6.0 Bug...................................................... 5
15: Insert an HTML newsletter in the body of an email............... 4
16: Accessing "Post"ed variables.................................... 4
17: impossible to remove border? (CSS problem)...................... 3
18: How to prevent line break ?..................................... 3
19: problem with borders............................................ 3
20: xhtml example of marked up image................................ 3
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======================= Top Threads By Size (kbytes) =======================
Thread Hdrs Quot Orig Sig Total
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1: ALT.HTML Statistics for 13/05/2. 11 7 24 0 43
2: newbie radio button qstn........ 20 5 7 0 34
3: CSS layout question............. 10 8 4 1 25
4: Make the links visible. PLEASE . 15 2 4 1 24
5: Strange Image Size Problem...... 10 5 5 0 21
6: XHTML2?......................... 10 1 3 0 16
7: 100% height container........... 7 3 3 0 15
8: Decimal code or entity?......... 5 3 2 2 13
9: Forrest Is An Asshole........... 9 1 1 0 13
10: Timed HTML (SMIL)............... 6 2 3 0 12
11: Form POST problem............... 7 1 3 0 12
12: Why is vertical centering such . 5 1 2 0 9
13: semitransparent div............. 4 1 1 0 7
14: IE 6.0 Bug...................... 5 0 0 0 6
15: Accessing "Post"ed variables.... 4 0 0 0 6
16: How to prevent line break ?..... 2 0 2 0 5
17: how to change Background Color . 2 1 1 0 5
18: Insert an HTML newsletter in th. 3 0 1 0 5
19: impossible to remove border? (C. 3 0 1 0 5
20: divs in the same row, but filli. 3 0 1 0 5
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========================= Most Replied-To Messages =========================
Message-ID Replies
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1: <1179146717.056878.23310@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>.......... 6
2: <1179481923.810250.283880@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>.......... 6
3: <5khn43df3meiuhhkpc7vlm179jk586e81l@4ax.com>.................... 5
4: .................. 4
5: <1179145682.096277.280900@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>......... 4
6: <1179448488.069974.207300@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>......... 4
7: <1179402457.103864.275400@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>.......... 3
8: <5b5o8iF2ru5seU1@mid.individual.net>............................ 3
9: <5b62l0F2rmsfcU1@mid.individual.net>............................ 3
10: ............ 3
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========================= Most Cross-Posted Groups =========================
Group Msgs
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------
1: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets.................. .... 13
2: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html......................... .... 12
3: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.site-design.................. .... 12
4: free.it.enkey............................................... .... 7
5: rec.sport.golf.............................................. .... 7
6: uk.rec.cycling.............................................. .... 7
7: uk.telecom.broadband........................................ .... 7
8: alt.html.critique........................................... .... 2
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=================== Top User-Agents by Number of Posters ===================
User-Agent Posters
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------
1: G2.......................................................... .... 34
2: Mozilla Thunderbird............................................. 12
3: Outlook Express................................................. 11
4: Mozilla..................................................... .... 5
5: Forte Agent..................................................... 3
6: Xnews....................................................... .... 3
7: slrn........................................................ .... 3
8: MT-NewsWatcher.............................................. .... 3
9: NewsPortal.................................................. .... 2
10: 40tude Dialog................................................... 1
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================== Top User-Agents by Number of Messages ===================
User-Agent Msgs
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1: G2.......................................................... .... 53
2: Outlook Express................................................. 28
3: Mozilla Thunderbird............................................. 26
4: MT-NewsWatcher.............................................. .... 19
5: Mozilla..................................................... .... 17
6: Xnews....................................................... .... 13
7: 40tude Dialog................................................... 12
8: slrn........................................................ .... 9
9: pan......................................................... .... 8
10: Forte Agent..................................................... 6
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======= Bandwidth-Wasting User-Agents by Average Header Size (bytes) =======
User-Agent Hdrs Msgs Avg
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1: Mozilla......................................... 21105 17 1241
2: 40tude Dialog................................... 14265 12 1188
3: Forte Agent..................................... 6663 6 1110
4: G2.............................................. 58821 53 1109
5: Outlook Express................................. 31020 28 1107
6: Xnews........................................... 14274 13 1098
7: slrn............................................ 9150 9 1016
8: Mozilla Thunderbird............................. 25158 26 967
9: MT-NewsWatcher.................................. 16633 19 875
10: pan............................................. 5364 8 670
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===================== Top Servers by Number of Posters =====================
Posters
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1: googlegroups.com............................................ .... 34
2: individual.net.............................................. .... 5
3: stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net.............................. .... 3
4: gnilink.net................................................. .... 3
5: news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net................................ .... 2
6: nntp.infostrada.it.......................................... .... 2
7: news.supernews.com.......................................... .... 2
8: nntp.pipex.net.............................................. .... 2
9: corp.supernews.com.......................................... .... 2
10: aioe.org.................................................... .... 2
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======================= Top Servers by Size (kbytes) =======================
Server Hdrs Quot Orig Sig Total
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1: googlegroups.com................ 57 8 24 0 89
2: news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net.... 5 1 24 3 34
3: news.optusnet.com.au............ 14 6 7 0 28
4: news.bluewin.ch................. 9 6 3 0 20
5: worldnet.att.net................ 13 2 3 0 20
6: DIALUPUSA.NET................... 11 4 3 0 20
7: reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...... 11 1 6 0 19
8: stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net.. 11 2 2 1 18
9: individual.net.................. 7 5 3 0 16
10: NAXS.COM-a2kHrUvQQWlmc.......... 8 3 1 0 13
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=================== Top Time Zones by Number of Posters ====================
Zone Posters
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1: -0700....................................................... .... 38
2: UTC......................................................... .... 15
3: +0100....................................................... .... 8
4: -0400....................................................... .... 7
5: +0200....................................................... .... 6
6: +0800....................................................... .... 2
7: -0500....................................................... .... 2
8: +0400....................................................... .... 1
9: -0600....................................................... .... 1
10: +1200....................................................... .... 1
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=================== Top Time Zones by Number of Messages ===================
Zone Msgs
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1: -0700....................................................... .... 58
2: UTC......................................................... .... 49
3: -0400....................................................... .... 19
4: +0200....................................................... .... 17
5: +1000....................................................... .... 17
6: +0100....................................................... .... 17
7: +0300....................................................... .... 9
8: -0500....................................................... .... 7
9: +0800....................................................... .... 3
10: +0400....................................................... .... 1
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================= Days When We are Most in Need of a Life ==================
Day Msgs
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1: Mon......................................................... .... 21
2: Tue......................................................... .... 15
3: Wed......................................................... .... 25
4: Thu......................................................... .... 17
5: Fri......................................................... .... 35
6: Sat......................................................... .... 19
7: Sun......................................................... .... 11
8: Non-RFC822 Header............................................... 56
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Stats compiled by Toby Inkster.

--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
http://tobyinkster.co.uk/

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

Toby Inkster wrote:

> 1: dorayme ........................................................ 17
> 2: Beauregard T. Shagnasty ........................................ 12

Uhoh.

--
-bts
-My wife better not hear about this

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article
,
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:

> Toby Inkster wrote:
>
> > 1: dorayme ........................................................ 17
> > 2: Beauregard T. Shagnasty ........................................ 12
>
> Uhoh.

Please pass, I want just to cruise and let my machine fully wear
in (new oversize pistons lately) and enjoy the ride from now...

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Sun, 20 May 2007 23:11:03 GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article
> ,
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>
>> Toby Inkster wrote:
>>
>> > 1: dorayme
>> > ........................................................ 17
>> > 2: Beauregard T. Shagnasty
>> > ........................................ 12
>>
>> Uhoh.
>
> Please pass, I want just to cruise and let my machine fully wear
> in (new oversize pistons lately) and enjoy the ride from now...

Congratulations! Not on the machine but on the fact that you have won an
enviable slot in the prestigious Neredbojias Art Gallery! Just go to:

http://www.neredbojias.com/abn/abn.html

and look up your listing in the elite queue. No thanks necessary; I
enjoyed doing it.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

Neredbojias wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2007 23:11:03 GMT dorayme scribed:
>
>> In article
>> ,
>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>
>>> Toby Inkster wrote:
>>>
>>> > 1: dorayme
>>> > ........................................................ 17
>>> > 2: Beauregard T. Shagnasty
>>> > ........................................ 12
>>>
>>> Uhoh.
>>
>> Please pass, I want just to cruise and let my machine fully wear
>> in (new oversize pistons lately) and enjoy the ride from now...
>
> Congratulations! Not on the machine but on the fact that you have won an
> enviable slot in the prestigious Neredbojias Art Gallery! Just go to:
>
> http://www.neredbojias.com/abn/abn.html
>
> and look up your listing in the elite queue. No thanks necessary; I
> enjoyed doing it.




--
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Killing all posts from Google Groups
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Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article ,
Neredbojias wrote:

> http://www.neredbojias.com/abn/abn.html
>
> and look up your listing in the elite queue.

My chiropractor would wish. Please don't so publicly capitalise
my name, it is a small "d".

But never mind, you show some talent there, Boji. Enjoyed many of
them.

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Mon, 21 May 2007 11:16:38 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>> Congratulations! Not on the machine but on the fact that you have
>> won an enviable slot in the prestigious Neredbojias Art Gallery!
>> Just go to:
>>
>> http://www.neredbojias.com/abn/abn.html
>>
>> and look up your listing in the elite queue. No thanks necessary; I
>> enjoyed doing it.
>
>

Well, it may not be the Mona Lisa, but it took a bit of starch to
make.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Mon, 21 May 2007 21:57:51 GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> http://www.neredbojias.com/abn/abn.html
>>
>> and look up your listing in the elite queue.
>
> My chiropractor would wish. Please don't so publicly capitalise
> my name, it is a small "d".

The only reason I did so was because it was part of a title and the first
word to boot, so any word would have been therein capitalized.

> But never mind, you show some talent there, Boji.

Really? Actually, I did 'em just for fun. I'm about as much of an artist
as the moon is a green cheseseball methinks.

> Enjoyed many of them.

And that's the whole point. Html, css, php, etc., can be rather dry so
it's good to add a little serendipity to the mix occasionally.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article ,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Please don't so publicly capitalise
> > my name, it is a small "d".
>
> The only reason I did so was because it was part of a title and the first
> word to boot, so any word would have been therein capitalized.
>

This is a bad reason. A name is not a word like the ones everyone
learns in order to speak. Take this sentence:

"george kelly is the name of my cat and in every sentence I write
about him, I always spell his name in lower case."

It would be wrong to begin this sentence with a capital if truth
was what you were concerned to preserve.

This shows your general procedure is flawed. I will ask you once
again, show some respect, and do not spell my name with a
capital. Officer White is on standby (he is looking mighty
restless).


> > But never mind, you show some talent there, Boji.
>

> Really?

What? You want that I should stroke your ego some more?

> Actually, I did 'em just for fun. I'm about as much of an artist
> as the moon is a green cheseseball methinks.
>

> > Enjoyed many of them.
>
> And that's the whole point. Html, css, php, etc., can be rather dry so
> it's good to add a little serendipity to the mix occasionally.

Why is this _the_ point? Why can't you do something for fun and
not for any more serious reason?

O, and btw, you cannot "add a little serendipity" to things as a
point in a recipe, it would not be serendipity any more.

PS. Please, now, don't accuse me of being contrary or
argumentative.

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

Neredbojias wrote:
> On Mon, 21 May 2007 11:16:38 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>> Congratulations! Not on the machine but on the fact that you have
>>> won an enviable slot in the prestigious Neredbojias Art Gallery!
>>> Just go to:
>>>
>>> http://www.neredbojias.com/abn/abn.html
>>>
>>> and look up your listing in the elite queue. No thanks necessary; I
>>> enjoyed doing it.
>>
>>
>
> Well, it may not be the Mona Lisa, but it took a bit of starch to
> make.

No wonder it's so...corny.

--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article ,
Blinky the Shark wrote:

> > Well, it may not be the Mona Lisa, but it took a bit of starch to
> > make.
>
> No wonder it's so...corny.



--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:18:04 GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> Please don't so publicly capitalise
>> > my name, it is a small "d".
>>
>> The only reason I did so was because it was part of a title and the
>> first word to boot, so any word would have been therein capitalized.
>>
>
> This is a bad reason. A name is not a word like the ones everyone
> learns in order to speak.

Then what word is it like? _Any_ word follows those rules, be it proper
noun or anything else. Xhtml doesn't apply to English grammar.

> Take this sentence:
>
> "george kelly is the name of my cat and in every sentence I write
> about him, I always spell his name in lower case."
>
> It would be wrong to begin this sentence with a capital if truth
> was what you were concerned to preserve.

The truth of what? -Someone's illogical whimsy?

> This shows your general procedure is flawed. I will ask you once
> again, show some respect, and do not spell my name with a
> capital. Officer White is on standby (he is looking mighty
> restless).

Hey, I'm willing to go along with your small-letter psychosis under
normal conditions, but when the pseudonym in question appears at the
beginning of a sentence, it _will be_ capitalized by anyone with a normal
grasp of language usage. I believe you will find this to be the majority
opinion, and if it upsets you, learn to regulate your disposition better.

>> > But never mind, you show some talent there, Boji.
>>
>
>> Really?
>
> What? You want that I should stroke your ego some more?

No, I was expressing surprise, not vanity.

>> Actually, I did 'em just for fun. I'm about as much of an artist
>> as the moon is a green cheseseball methinks.
>>
>
>> > Enjoyed many of them.
>>
>> And that's the whole point. Html, css, php, etc., can be rather dry
>> so it's good to add a little serendipity to the mix occasionally.
>
> Why is this _the_ point? Why can't you do something for fun and
> not for any more serious reason?

That's precisely what I was trying to suggest...

> O, and btw, you cannot "add a little serendipity" to things as a
> point in a recipe, it would not be serendipity any more.
>
> PS. Please, now, don't accuse me of being contrary or
> argumentative.

Oh, no, never! How could you even think such a thing..?

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Wed, 23 May 2007 02:10:03 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>>
>>
>> Well, it may not be the Mona Lisa, but it took a bit of starch to
>> make.
>
> No wonder it's so...corny.

Just for that, here's one of your baby pics for all to see:

http://tinyurl.com/2o4yap

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

Neredbojias wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 02:10:03 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, it may not be the Mona Lisa, but it took a bit of starch to
>>> make.
>>
>> No wonder it's so...corny.
>
> Just for that, here's one of your baby pics for all to see:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2o4yap

Did you have to link a *naked* one?!


--
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Killing all posts from Google Groups
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Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

Neredbojias wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:18:04 GMT dorayme scribed:
>
>> In article ,
>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>
>> This shows your general procedure is flawed. I will ask you once
>> again, show some respect, and do not spell my name with a
>> capital. Officer White is on standby (he is looking mighty
>> restless).
>
> Hey, I'm willing to go along with your small-letter psychosis under
> normal conditions, but when the pseudonym in question appears at the
> beginning of a sentence, it _will be_ capitalized by anyone with a normal
> grasp of language usage. I believe you will find this to be the majority
> opinion, and if it upsets you, learn to regulate your disposition better.
>
By your logic would you then capitalize the name of one of Apple's
computers? As in:

"IMac computers have been part of Apple's line since 1998." Probably
not. It ought to be "iMac computers have ..." The same should hold
true for dorayme's name.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
http://mozilla.edmullen.net
http://abington.edmullen.net

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article ,
Neredbojias wrote:

> On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:18:04 GMT dorayme scribed:
>
> > In article ,
> > Neredbojias wrote:
> >
> >> Please don't so publicly capitalise
> >> > my name, it is a small "d".
> >>
> >> The only reason I did so was because it was part of a title and the
> >> first word to boot, so any word would have been therein capitalized.
> >>
> >
> > This is a bad reason. A name is not a word like the ones everyone
> > learns in order to speak.
>
> Then what word is it like? _Any_ word follows those rules, be it proper
> noun or anything else. Xhtml doesn't apply to English grammar.
>

Since a name is not that much like other words, it is odd to ask
what word is it like. Think how the normal rules about
capitalisation do not apply with names when they are used within
sentences (as contrasted with starting them). They mostly remain
capitalised! In other words, names are special, not like most
other words like "cat", "some", "you", "it". So your stated
objection to treat them like other words for the purpose of
starting sentences looks to me like very special pleading.

If really pressed to say what a name is like, I suppose I might
say, at least, that a good name is like a good work of art,
complete in itself in every detail, the changing of anything
necessarily detracting from its splenour.

> > Take this sentence:
> >
> > "george kelly is the name of my cat and in every sentence I write
> > about him, I always spell his name in lower case."
> >
> > It would be wrong to begin this sentence with a capital if truth
> > was what you were concerned to preserve.
>
> The truth of what? -Someone's illogical whimsy?
>
You misunderstand. I simply mean the truth of the sentence, no
more and no less. Nothing to do with whimsy in respect to the
truth of this, old chap. Whimsy may have played a role in the
formation of the name itself but not in the statement above.

> > This shows your general procedure is flawed. I will ask you once
> > again, show some respect, and do not spell my name with a
> > capital. Officer White is on standby (he is looking mighty
> > restless).
>
> Hey, I'm willing to go along with your small-letter psychosis under
> normal conditions, but when the pseudonym in question appears at the
> beginning of a sentence, it _will be_ capitalized by anyone with a normal
> grasp of language usage. I believe you will find this to be the majority
> opinion, and if it upsets you, learn to regulate your disposition better.
>

There is no need to get hot under the collar there Boji!
Remember, it is my name you are trampling with, it is not that
much to ask that you desist from ever using a capital when
spelling it. Don't worry, I have told Officer White not to be too
hard on you. It is not the end of the world.

> >> > But never mind, you show some talent there, Boji.
> >>
> >
> >> Really?
> >
> > What? You want that I should stroke your ego some more?
>
> No, I was expressing surprise, not vanity.
>

Surprise? You are going about the world thinking you are
talentless and everyone else knows it. O dear! There there, old
chap, don't be so hard on yourself. I'll send Officer White's mum
around to see you, she will make some nice chicken soup for you
and put some flowers about and cheer you up.

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article ,
Ed Mullen wrote:

> Neredbojias wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:18:04 GMT dorayme scribed:
> >
> >> In article ,
> >> Neredbojias wrote:
> >>
> >> This shows your general procedure is flawed. I will ask you once
> >> again, show some respect, and do not spell my name with a
> >> capital. Officer White is on standby (he is looking mighty
> >> restless).
> >
> > Hey, I'm willing to go along with your small-letter psychosis under
> > normal conditions, but when the pseudonym in question appears at the
> > beginning of a sentence, it _will be_ capitalized by anyone with a normal
> > grasp of language usage. I believe you will find this to be the majority
> > opinion, and if it upsets you, learn to regulate your disposition better.
> >
> By your logic would you then capitalize the name of one of Apple's
> computers? As in:
>
> "IMac computers have been part of Apple's line since 1998." Probably
> not. It ought to be "iMac computers have ..." The same should hold
> true for dorayme's name.

Golly, Ed. You can, with one example, make a point that it takes
me an essay to make. You have that gift of conciseness. Never
been my strong point. But also, I suspect, it would spoil my fun
in bantering with Boji. Killer moves like yours would give me no
room to expand...

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Thu, 24 May 2007 07:31:49 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

> Neredbojias wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 May 2007 02:10:03 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, it may not be the Mona Lisa, but it took a bit of starch
>>>>to
>>>> make.
>>>
>>> No wonder it's so...corny.
>>
>> Just for that, here's one of your baby pics for all to see:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2o4yap
>
> Did you have to link a *naked* one?!

Ah, not to worry. Anything that shows requires a hi-powered microscope to
see, anyway.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:26:16 GMT Ed Mullen scribed:

>> Hey, I'm willing to go along with your small-letter psychosis under
>> normal conditions, but when the pseudonym in question appears at the
>> beginning of a sentence, it _will be_ capitalized by anyone with a
>> normal grasp of language usage. I believe you will find this to be
>> the majority opinion, and if it upsets you, learn to regulate your
>> disposition better.
>>
> By your logic would you then capitalize the name of one of Apple's
> computers? As in:
>
> "IMac computers have been part of Apple's line since 1998." Probably
> not. It ought to be "iMac computers have ..." The same should hold
> true for dorayme's name.

Perhaps by popular convention, but recognized standards suggest otherwise.
I've seen no indication of what you propose in several versions of the
rules of grammar, the 2 following links to which provide succinct examples:

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/592/01/
http://editfast.com/english/grammar/capitalization/capitaliz ation_beginning
_sentences.htm

Do you not believe in following the standards? -Or only when it "seems
right"?

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Thu, 24 May 2007 22:05:52 GMT dorayme scribed:

>> Then what word is it like? _Any_ word follows those rules, be it
>> proper noun or anything else. Xhtml doesn't apply to English
>> grammar.
>>
>
> Since a name is not that much like other words, it is odd to ask
> what word is it like. Think how the normal rules about
> capitalisation do not apply with names when they are used within
> sentences (as contrasted with starting them). They mostly remain
> capitalised! In other words, names are special, not like most
> other words like "cat", "some", "you", "it". So your stated
> objection to treat them like other words for the purpose of
> starting sentences looks to me like very special pleading.

With all due respect to helical celluloid retes, this is twisted logic.
Names are simply proper nouns which follow the rules of grammar in much
the same fashion as other nouns. They are often capitalized inherantly,
but _always_ capitalized at the beginning of sentences.

> If really pressed to say what a name is like, I suppose I might
> say, at least, that a good name is like a good work of art,
> complete in itself in every detail, the changing of anything
> necessarily detracting from its splenour.

When obfuscating an issue, it helps to stick with basic facts rather than
resorting to Darrowesque rhetoric and misspelled allusions.

>> > Take this sentence:
>> >
>> > "george kelly is the name of my cat and in every sentence I write
>> > about him, I always spell his name in lower case."
>> >
>> > It would be wrong to begin this sentence with a capital if truth
>> > was what you were concerned to preserve.
>>
>> The truth of what? -Someone's illogical whimsy?
>>
> You misunderstand. I simply mean the truth of the sentence, no
> more and no less. Nothing to do with whimsy in respect to the
> truth of this, old chap. Whimsy may have played a role in the
> formation of the name itself but not in the statement above.

Hasn't the study of the proper techniques for the making of web pages
taught you to separate structure from content yet? Well in any case, a
sentence at least _should_ follow a similar methodology. The _truth_ of
a sentence has little to do with its _proper formulation_ although
screwing-up the latter may, indeed, affect the validity of the former.

>
>> > This shows your general procedure is flawed. I will ask you once
>> > again, show some respect, and do not spell my name with a
>> > capital. Officer White is on standby (he is looking mighty
>> > restless).
>>
>> Hey, I'm willing to go along with your small-letter psychosis under
>> normal conditions, but when the pseudonym in question appears at the
>> beginning of a sentence, it _will be_ capitalized by anyone with a
>> normal grasp of language usage. I believe you will find this to be
>> the majority opinion, and if it upsets you, learn to regulate your
>> disposition better.
>>
>
> There is no need to get hot under the collar there Boji!
> Remember, it is my name you are trampling with, it is not that
> much to ask that you desist from ever using a capital when
> spelling it. Don't worry, I have told Officer White not to be too
> hard on you. It is not the end of the world.

As far as I'm concerned, "your" name will comply with the tenets of the
rest of the world in spite of your apparent unwillingness to be normal.
If you find this a destabilizing influence, I suggest you take some
remedial English courses to advance yourself into an area of
communications promoting dialect which may be comprehended by the bulk of
humanity.

>> >> > But never mind, you show some talent there, Boji.
>> >>
>> >
>> >> Really?
>> >
>> > What? You want that I should stroke your ego some more?
>>
>> No, I was expressing surprise, not vanity.
>>
>
> Surprise? You are going about the world thinking you are
> talentless and everyone else knows it. O dear! There there, old
> chap, don't be so hard on yourself. I'll send Officer White's mum
> around to see you, she will make some nice chicken soup for you
> and put some flowers about and cheer you up.

-Not talentless, just lacking in any significant artistic ability of the
graphic type. I have other talents such as my cool, easygoing nature, my
propensity to listen carefully to other peoples' opinions no matter how
ridiculous, and my tenacity in zipping it up or down regardless of the
immenseness of whatever obstacle may be there to impede my progress. I
prefer to remain modest about my proficiencies yet I do occasionally
"toot my own horn" like the rest of the primates. I am a simple man who
enjoys simple pleasures and follows simple rules like capitalizing words
at the beginning of sentences...

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article ,
Neredbojias wrote:

> On Thu, 24 May 2007 22:05:52 GMT dorayme scribed:
>
> >> Then what word is it like? _Any_ word follows those rules, be it
> >> proper noun or anything else. Xhtml doesn't apply to English
> >> grammar.
> >>
> >
> > Since a name is not that much like other words, it is odd to ask
> > what word is it like. Think how the normal rules about
> > capitalisation do not apply with names when they are used within
> > sentences (as contrasted with starting them). They mostly remain
> > capitalised! In other words, names are special, not like most
> > other words like "cat", "some", "you", "it". So your stated
> > objection to treat them like other words for the purpose of
> > starting sentences looks to me like very special pleading.
>
> With all due respect to helical celluloid retes, this is twisted logic.

And twisted how? Where is the twist? What part of my above is
wrong?

> Names are simply proper nouns which follow the rules of grammar in much
> the same fashion as other nouns.

In spite of the fact I pointed to? That it is normal for a common
noun to be capitalised when starting a sentence but not when not
whereas a name like "John" remains capitalised.

> They are often capitalized inherantly,
> but _always_ capitalized at the beginning of sentences.

If they are often capitalised inherently, why can't they
sometimes be small-cased inherently?

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

Neredbojias wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:26:16 GMT Ed Mullen scribed:
>
>>> Hey, I'm willing to go along with your small-letter psychosis under
>>> normal conditions, but when the pseudonym in question appears at the
>>> beginning of a sentence, it _will be_ capitalized by anyone with a
>>> normal grasp of language usage. I believe you will find this to be
>>> the majority opinion, and if it upsets you, learn to regulate your
>>> disposition better.
>>>
>> By your logic would you then capitalize the name of one of Apple's
>> computers? As in:
>>
>> "IMac computers have been part of Apple's line since 1998." Probably
>> not. It ought to be "iMac computers have ..." The same should hold
>> true for dorayme's name.
>
> Perhaps by popular convention, but recognized standards suggest otherwise.
> I've seen no indication of what you propose in several versions of the
> rules of grammar, the 2 following links to which provide succinct examples:
>
> http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/592/01/
> http://editfast.com/english/grammar/capitalization/capitaliz ation_beginning
> _sentences.htm
>
> Do you not believe in following the standards? -Or only when it "seems
> right"?
>

Oh, good grief. I could quote the Chicago Manual of Style or several
other references. What's the point? You did not respond directly to a
direct question. Until you do there is no discussion. Pontificate if
you wish, it does not enhance your esteem in my regard.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
http://mozilla.edmullen.net
http://abington.edmullen.net

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

dorayme wrote:
> In article ,
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>
>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:18:04 GMT dorayme scribed:
>>>
>>>> In article ,
>>>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This shows your general procedure is flawed. I will ask you once
>>>> again, show some respect, and do not spell my name with a
>>>> capital. Officer White is on standby (he is looking mighty
>>>> restless).
>>> Hey, I'm willing to go along with your small-letter psychosis under
>>> normal conditions, but when the pseudonym in question appears at the
>>> beginning of a sentence, it _will be_ capitalized by anyone with a normal
>>> grasp of language usage. I believe you will find this to be the majority
>>> opinion, and if it upsets you, learn to regulate your disposition better.
>>>
>> By your logic would you then capitalize the name of one of Apple's
>> computers? As in:
>>
>> "IMac computers have been part of Apple's line since 1998." Probably
>> not. It ought to be "iMac computers have ..." The same should hold
>> true for dorayme's name.
>
> Golly, Ed. You can, with one example, make a point that it takes
> me an essay to make. You have that gift of conciseness. Never
> been my strong point. But also, I suspect, it would spoil my fun
> in bantering with Boji. Killer moves like yours would give me no
> room to expand...
>

Yeah, well, thanks. Sigh. Apparently, a simple statement meant
nothing. Now we're into a dialogue where none was needed. Sigh.
Traction! Back-tracking! Obfuscation! Mis-direction!

Right, good tactics. Uh, not.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
http://mozilla.edmullen.net
http://abington.edmullen.net

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article <3_CdnR4c-eCbI8rbnZ2dnUVZ_tvinZ2d@comcast.com>,
Ed Mullen wrote:
=
> Yeah, well, thanks. Sigh. Apparently, a simple statement meant
> nothing. Now we're into a dialogue where none was needed. Sigh.
> Traction! Back-tracking! Obfuscation! Mis-direction!
>
> Right, good tactics. Uh, not.

Actually Ed, there is no point really. What has happened is this.
Boji feels painted into a corner and there's no way he will
concede anything and so is going all irrational and crazy like a
religious nut whom one tries to engage in a rational discussion.
He has never forgiven me for sending around Officer "Bud" White
and nothing is going to change that resentment. He is not
responding to what is actually being said, just picking out words
and trumping stuff up.

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On 2007-05-24, dorayme wrote:
> In article ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:18:04 GMT dorayme scribed:
>>
>> > In article ,
>> > Neredbojias wrote:
>> >
>> >> Please don't so publicly capitalise
>> >> > my name, it is a small "d".
>> >>
>> >> The only reason I did so was because it was part of a title and the
>> >> first word to boot, so any word would have been therein capitalized.
>> >>
>> >
>> > This is a bad reason. A name is not a word like the ones everyone
>> > learns in order to speak.
>>
>> Then what word is it like? _Any_ word follows those rules, be it proper
>> noun or anything else. Xhtml doesn't apply to English grammar.
>
> Since a name is not that much like other words,

That _is_ the point. In the English language, names are capitalized.

That's why e.e.cummings's business failed: it was under
capitalized!

> it is odd to ask what word is it like. Think how the normal rules
> about capitalisation do not apply with names when they are used
> within sentences (as contrasted with starting them). They mostly
> remain capitalised! In other words, names are special, not like most
> other words like "cat", "some", "you", "it". So your stated
> objection to treat them like other words for the purpose of starting
> sentences looks to me like very special pleading.

Words that start a sentence _are_ capitalized, whether they are
names or not.

> If really pressed to say what a name is like, I suppose I might
> say, at least, that a good name is like a good work of art,

That is a signature, not merely a name.


--
Chris F.A. Johnson
============================================================ =======
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:18:07 -0400, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
wrote:

[snip]

> > Since a name is not that much like other words,
>
> That _is_ the point. In the English language, names are capitalized.
>
> That's why e.e.cummings's business failed: it was under
> capitalized!

Ha ha, very witty. You might be correct however; we had a tech bubble
company here called eCorp but it is now just a memory. The unusual
capitalisation of eCorp was respected and sentences such as "eCorp is
pleased to ..." did look silly to me but I accept that it is correct.

I believe that names can have unusual spelling and capitalisation and
these oddities should be maintained. It is the polite thing to do.

www.example.com and other domain names also stay lower-case here (in
Aus) even when starting a sentence.

So I think that dorayme's request that the name stay lower-case is fair
and reasonable.

My 2 cents,

--
Steven

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article ,
"Chris F.A. Johnson" wrote:

> On 2007-05-24, dorayme wrote:
> > In article ,
> > Neredbojias wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:18:04 GMT dorayme scribed:
> >>
> >> > In article ,
> >> > Neredbojias wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Please don't so publicly capitalise
> >> >> > my name, it is a small "d".
> >> >>
> >> >> The only reason I did so was because it was part of a title and the
> >> >> first word to boot, so any word would have been therein capitalized.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > This is a bad reason. A name is not a word like the ones everyone
> >> > learns in order to speak.
> >>
> >> Then what word is it like? _Any_ word follows those rules, be it proper
> >> noun or anything else. Xhtml doesn't apply to English grammar.
> >
> > Since a name is not that much like other words,
>
> That _is_ the point. In the English language, names are capitalized.
>

It is _the_ point is _your_ point? But that does not mean it is
the most _relevant_ point. It was said that "The only reason" the
person I am challenging "did so" was "because it was part of a
title and the first word to boot, so any word would have been
therein capitalized." and that is a different point to the point
that in the English language, names are capitalised.

But let me take up this different point of yours. It is simply
false. It is not good enough for you to simply assert it, nor to
give examples that do not challenge your point. A million polite
people in some circumstances do not show that it is wrong for
someone to be impolite in the same circumstances. You have seen
the example given of a trade name by Ed Mullen. It is a fine
example.

> That's why e.e.cummings's business failed: it was under capitalized!

A nice point, but really, Chris F.A. Johnson, this is a serious
matter concerning my name. I have worked long and hard to make it
mud and it is not to be trifled with.

e.e. cumming's business may have failed for a grammatical reason
as well, but in the case of the iPod, you can hardly argue such a
thing at all. And "iPod" is certainly not the end of the examples.

It really is very simple. My name is dorayme and it begins with a
small "d", it is not open to anyone to use a "D" and get it
right. They are welcome to use a "D" if it is meant to
deliberately display a carelessness. But that is a totally
_different_ point. It is open to anyone to call me anything they
like for any number of purposes. But, I make the point again, not
if they want to get it right.

redGirl.gif is a different file from Redgirl.gif in some file
systems and it would be badly wrong to have used an "R" to begin
this very sentence. One reason, and this does not exhaust the
reasons I have in mind, is this: it would turn a perfectly true
sentence into a false one. Do you appreciate how bad a fault this
is to those of us who live to seek the truth? I know that you
would not condone such a thing.

>
> > it is odd to ask what word is it like. Think how the normal rules
> > about capitalisation do not apply with names when they are used
> > within sentences (as contrasted with starting them). They mostly
> > remain capitalised! In other words, names are special, not like most
> > other words like "cat", "some", "you", "it". So your stated
> > objection to treat them like other words for the purpose of starting
> > sentences looks to me like very special pleading.
>
> Words that start a sentence _are_ capitalized, whether they are
> names or not.
>
> > If really pressed to say what a name is like, I suppose I might
> > say, at least, that a good name is like a good work of art,
>
> That is a signature, not merely a name.

A name is a signature in a deeper way than is often realised. A
proper name is not like a definite description; e.g. "The martian
that messes about with html and css and lives in Sydney, calling
itself dorayme" My point is that a proper name is indeed not a
grammatical entity at all, or rather more accurately, it is not
something that has grammatical parts in spite of the appearance.
And if it has no grammatical parts, you cannot go about applying
normal grammatical rules to the parts (of which, of course, it
has - but they are not grammatical ones)

Some names, if not all, are like pictures of real text, not
actual text. It can be confusing to some people because of the
use of ordinary looking letters. "How do you spell that name?" is
a common refrain. But it a mere convenient way of knowing how to
draw and give vocal expression to the label, it is not some
excuse to treat the name as any old concatenation of characters
and apply inappropriate rules to it.

I now sign off, neither grammatically no ungrammatically, but
correctly as

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:

> That _is_ the point. In the English language, names are capitalized.
>
> That's why e.e.cummings's business failed: it was under
> capitalized!

[a groan of appreciation]


--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

Steven Saunderson wrote:

> So I think that dorayme's request that the name stay lower-case is
> fair and reasonable.

I usually honor that. It makes them look affected and/or lacking
keyboard skills and/or unknowledgeable of the conventions of writing,
not me.


--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article ,
Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>
> > That _is_ the point. In the English language, names are capitalized.
> >
> > That's why e.e.cummings's business failed: it was under
> > capitalized!
>
> [a groan of appreciation]

Appreciate this too: the USSR lost the cold war because it was
under capitalised.

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article ,
Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Steven Saunderson wrote:
>
> > So I think that dorayme's request that the name stay lower-case is
> > fair and reasonable.
>
> I usually honor that. It makes them look affected and/or lacking
> keyboard skills and/or unknowledgeable of the conventions of writing,
> not me.

The conventions of writing eh? Your loose, illogical, uninformed
and spiteful sentences would only confirm low-life prejudices,
not inspire anyone who wanted to decide on the right thing to do.

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Sat, 26 May 2007 04:53:49 GMT Ed Mullen scribed:

>>> By your logic would you then capitalize the name of one of Apple's
>>> computers? As in:
>>>
>>> "IMac computers have been part of Apple's line since 1998."
>>> Probably not. It ought to be "iMac computers have ..." The same
>>> should hold true for dorayme's name.
>>
>> Perhaps by popular convention, but recognized standards suggest
>> otherwise. I've seen no indication of what you propose in several
>> versions of the rules of grammar, the 2 following links to which
>> provide succinct examples:
>>
>> http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/592/01/
>> http://editfast.com/english/grammar/capitalization/capitaliz ation_begi
>> nning _sentences.htm
>>
>> Do you not believe in following the standards? -Or only when it
>> "seems right"?
>>
>
> Oh, good grief. I could quote the Chicago Manual of Style or several
> other references. What's the point? You did not respond directly to
> a direct question. Until you do there is no discussion. Pontificate
> if you wish, it does not enhance your esteem in my regard.

Come on, Ed, I'm not trying to usurp the Pope. And you _didn't_ quote a
manual or any other reference. Asking "What's the point?" and lamenting
things like my so-called lack of response to a direct question may seem
pertinent discussion to you, but they actually leave me a little flat
because of their meaningless import. Anyway, for your benefit, I will
redundantly aver that Yes, words like "iMac" and "iPod" should be
capitalized at the beginning of sentences. Furthermore, one's esteem may
only derive enhancement from the regard of those possessing actual
credibility.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Sat, 26 May 2007 05:38:43 GMT dorayme scribed:

>> Yeah, well, thanks. Sigh. Apparently, a simple statement meant
>> nothing. Now we're into a dialogue where none was needed. Sigh.
>> Traction! Back-tracking! Obfuscation! Mis-direction!
>>
>> Right, good tactics. Uh, not.
>
> Actually Ed, there is no point really. What has happened is this.
> Boji feels painted into a corner and there's no way he will
> concede anything and so is going all irrational and crazy like a
> religious nut whom one tries to engage in a rational discussion.
> He has never forgiven me for sending around Officer "Bud" White
> and nothing is going to change that resentment. He is not
> responding to what is actually being said, just picking out words
> and trumping stuff up.

Oh, the ignoble injustice! Ya know, this is just like what happened to
President Clinton. Something controversial pops up, and who gets into
trouble? -The Pres, and it wasn't even his fault! Sure, he may have
possessed a politically-incorrect inclination for proactive knob hobbing,
but Monica was the actual transgressor. She was the one who circled her
lips in the oval office and took in millions from various sleazy media
venues for doing so. Poor Billy, on the other hand, suffered a tarnished
rep and left the White House feeling emptier than a barf bag in a backpack.
Now don't you honestly think that the truly guilty party is really the
sucker, not the suckee, here? With that in mind, I patently refuse to
swallow all the miscogent, illogical, and insubstantial hogwash I've been
fed pursuant to the subject at hand and go forth bearing a righteous
attitude confident in the knowledge that I am honorable, equitable, and
venerable, as usual.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Fri, 25 May 2007 23:08:39 GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 May 2007 22:05:52 GMT dorayme scribed:
>>
>> >> Then what word is it like? _Any_ word follows those rules, be it
>> >> proper noun or anything else. Xhtml doesn't apply to English
>> >> grammar.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Since a name is not that much like other words, it is odd to ask
>> > what word is it like. Think how the normal rules about
>> > capitalisation do not apply with names when they are used within
>> > sentences (as contrasted with starting them). They mostly remain
>> > capitalised! In other words, names are special, not like most
>> > other words like "cat", "some", "you", "it". So your stated
>> > objection to treat them like other words for the purpose of
>> > starting sentences looks to me like very special pleading.
>>
>> With all due respect to helical celluloid retes, this is twisted
>> logic.
>
> And twisted how? Where is the twist? What part of my above is
> wrong?

You've implied that names are "special" and somehow exempt from the
normal-word rule of having to be capitalized at the beginnings of
sentences. You've offered no progression of logic nor presented no
valid reference that led you specifically to such a belief, special or
not. Furthermore, since the logic of a false conclusion is requisitely
false, I stated so with a clear conscience.

>> Names are simply proper nouns which follow the rules of grammar in
>> much the same fashion as other nouns.
>
> In spite of the fact I pointed to? That it is normal for a common
> noun to be capitalised when starting a sentence but not when not
> whereas a name like "John" remains capitalised.

How does this fact in any way support your premise? You are trying to
state that since proper nouns are always capitalized, certain other
words can always be non-capitalized. Oh, that makes alot of sense!
Even if the conclusion were true, which it isn't, the general
capitalization of proper nouns has absolutely nothing to do with your
aversion. That is like saying _because_ some birds go "Tweet! Tweet!"
in the rain, some birds are silent in a draught.

>> They are often capitalized inherantly,
>> but _always_ capitalized at the beginning of sentences.
>
> If they are often capitalised inherently, why can't they
> sometimes be small-cased inherently?

They not only can, they are. -But not at the beginnings of sentences.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article ,
Neredbojias wrote:

> On Sat, 26 May 2007 05:38:43 GMT dorayme scribed:
>
> >> Yeah, well, thanks. Sigh. Apparently, a simple statement meant
> >> nothing. Now we're into a dialogue where none was needed. Sigh.
> >> Traction! Back-tracking! Obfuscation! Mis-direction!
> >>
> >> Right, good tactics. Uh, not.
> >
> > Actually Ed, there is no point really. What has happened is this.
> > Boji feels painted into a corner and there's no way he will
> > concede anything and so is going all irrational and crazy like a
> > religious nut whom one tries to engage in a rational discussion.
> > He has never forgiven me for sending around Officer "Bud" White
> > and nothing is going to change that resentment. He is not
> > responding to what is actually being said, just picking out words
> > and trumping stuff up.
>
> Oh, the ignoble injustice! Ya know, this is just like what happened to
> President Clinton.

This is just pure babbling. I don't so mind if you capitalise
every other letter in my name, just don't try to justify it with
specious arguments.

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article ,
Neredbojias wrote:

> On Fri, 25 May 2007 23:08:39 GMT dorayme scribed:
>
> > In article ,
> > Neredbojias wrote:

> > And twisted how? Where is the twist? What part of my above is
> > wrong?
>
> You've implied that names are "special" and somehow exempt from the
> normal-word rule of having to be capitalized at the beginnings of
> sentences. You've offered no progression of logic nor presented no
> valid reference that led you specifically to such a belief, special or
> not. Furthermore, since the logic of a false conclusion is requisitely
> false, I stated so with a clear conscience.
>

You just keep babbling in this uncontrolled way! Look at the
things I have said about names, _pretend_ they are coming from
someone you respect just to see whether my words mean something
different then. Valid references indeed! You scholar you!

> >> Names are simply proper nouns which follow the rules of grammar in
> >> much the same fashion as other nouns.
> >
> > In spite of the fact I pointed to? That it is normal for a common
> > noun to be capitalised when starting a sentence but not when not
> > whereas a name like "John" remains capitalised.
>
> How does this fact in any way support your premise? You are trying to
> state that since proper nouns are always capitalized, certain other
> words can always be non-capitalized.

"certain other words"? I was saying nothing of the sort. I was
saying that one and the same word, a proper name, does not follow
the same rules of grammar as say a common noun and that this is
plain to see in some respects.

> Even if the conclusion were true, which it isn't, the general
> capitalization of proper nouns has absolutely nothing to do with your
> aversion.

My aversion has nothing to do with this. It is your misguided
slavish wooden grammatical habits that are in question. I am not
responsible for my name, but having it, I will honour it and
defend it against irreverent disrespectful babblers like you. I
have just called up officer White to come and get some stern
instructions from me.

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Mon, 28 May 2007 06:48:54 GMT dorayme scribed:

>> Oh, the ignoble injustice! Ya know, this is just like what happened to
>> President Clinton.
>
> This is just pure babbling. I don't so mind if you capitalise
> every other letter in my name, just don't try to justify it with
> specious arguments.

How come my arguments are "babbling" and yours are...whatever?
Also, if you don't mind my capitalizing, why did you make a big stink about
it in the first place?

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Mon, 28 May 2007 07:05:47 GMT dorayme scribed:

>> You've implied that names are "special" and somehow exempt from the
>> normal-word rule of having to be capitalized at the beginnings of
>> sentences. You've offered no progression of logic nor presented no
>> valid reference that led you specifically to such a belief, special
>> or not. Furthermore, since the logic of a false conclusion is
>> requisitely false, I stated so with a clear conscience.
>>
>
> You just keep babbling in this uncontrolled way! Look at the
> things I have said about names, _pretend_ they are coming from
> someone you respect just to see whether my words mean something
> different then. Valid references indeed! You scholar you!

Whoa thare! -Respect? What makes you think that there's anyone in the
world I respect more than you? Sure, we sometimes don't agree; in fact
we may disagree quite often, but do you really believe I'd waste my time
bothering to correct some anomalous person whom I didn't care about in
the first place, -i.e., didn't respect? Not hardly.

(Yes, the "to correct" was a joke. The point, however, wasn't.)

But what's wrong with valid references? You use them in html, don't
you? Then why not in your predominant language?

>> >> Names are simply proper nouns which follow the rules of grammar in
>> >> much the same fashion as other nouns.
>> >
>> > In spite of the fact I pointed to? That it is normal for a common
>> > noun to be capitalised when starting a sentence but not when not
>> > whereas a name like "John" remains capitalised.
>>
>> How does this fact in any way support your premise? You are trying
>> to state that since proper nouns are always capitalized, certain
>> other words can always be non-capitalized.
>
> "certain other words"? I was saying nothing of the sort. I was
> saying that one and the same word, a proper name, does not follow
> the same rules of grammar as say a common noun and that this is
> plain to see in some respects.

Okay, proper nouns and common nouns follow different rules of grammar
(-presumably related to capitalization), and this difference is
sometimes apparent. Now how do you get from there to the belief that
one may allowably _not_ capitalize certain words at the beginnings of
sentences?

>> Even if the conclusion were true, which it isn't, the general
>> capitalization of proper nouns has absolutely nothing to do with your
>> aversion.
>
> My aversion has nothing to do with this. It is your misguided
> slavish wooden grammatical habits that are in question.

I am overly-rigid for following the rules?

> I am not
> responsible for my name, but having it, I will honour it and
> defend it against irreverent disrespectful babblers like you. I
> have just called up officer White to come and get some stern
> instructions from me.

What? You were given the name "dorayme" by your parents at birth? If
that's the case, I'd simply chalk it up to a woefully whopping whoops
and change my name to something reasonable like "Sally" or "Gertrude" or
"Hortense". Just make sure that whatever you choose starts with a
capital letter and your problem will be solved.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article ,
Neredbojias wrote:

> On Mon, 28 May 2007 06:48:54 GMT dorayme scribed:
>
> >> Oh, the ignoble injustice! Ya know, this is just like what happened to
> >> President Clinton.
> >
> > This is just pure babbling. I don't so mind if you capitalise
> > every other letter in my name, just don't try to justify it with
> > specious arguments.
>
> How come my arguments are "babbling" and yours are...whatever?

I suppose because I have made, underneath it all, an attempt to
explain to you some interesting matters about proper names and
you have replied without detailed understanding and with pure
silliness (there is a distinction between pure and impure
silliness which likely escapes you) and contempt. You have
understandably been irked by the cheek of me pulling characters
out of movies and sending them around to you to control your
tendencies. It was all done over the years for your own good, it
does not mean you have to react with idiotic logic.

> Also, if you don't mind my capitalizing, why did you make a big stink about
> it in the first place?

You could not be so stupid as to draw this conclusion from my:

> > I don't so mind if you capitalise
> > every other letter in my name, just don't try to justify it with
> > specious arguments.

I did not say I did not mind capitalization of my name full stop.

You just babble away without direction. You are the one that went
on and on about grammar and rules and all that wooden stuff, how
come you can be so cavalier about meaning?

I'll tell you how come: because you are a robot. Earthling robots
are typically good with rules (they follow them, they misfollow
them, they spout them) but are not good in general on meaning.
Syntax is their preferred habit, semantics their bete noire.

You are now exposed and I have made progress on one of the
thousands of tasks my minders have set me on earth, to dig out
the network of robot-earthlings. Please now send a list of all
your friends and family members, complete details now Boji, the
game is up. Protest is useless.

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article ,
Neredbojias wrote:

> On Mon, 28 May 2007 07:05:47 GMT dorayme scribed:
>
>
> Okay, proper nouns and common nouns follow different rules of grammar
> (-presumably related to capitalization), and this difference is
> sometimes apparent. Now how do you get from there to the belief that
> one may allowably _not_ capitalize certain words at the beginnings of
> sentences?
>

How did you get to the belief that you don't use a capital "I"
when starting a sentence with "iPod"? Go on, say something like
"I never start sentences with "iPod" or something, you might as
well, that is how crazy you have been talking so far.

The point is that you would respect the brand name. You would
fear the power of Apple which is much greater than the poor
fisticuffs skills of Officer White. Have some respect and spell
names as and how they are requested to be spelt, they are not
some toy for you to play with. If they are to be bandied about
externally, at the very least, their inner integrity should be
inviolate.

> >> Even if the conclusion were true, which it isn't, the general
> >> capitalization of proper nouns has absolutely nothing to do with your
> >> aversion.
> >
> > My aversion has nothing to do with this. It is your misguided
> > slavish wooden grammatical habits that are in question.
>
> I am overly-rigid for following the rules?
>

Yes, indeed you are. You fantasise rules that do not exist or
fantasise the application of rules which do exist and misapply
them. That about covers it, no?

> > I am not
> > responsible for my name, but having it, I will honour it and
> > defend it against irreverent disrespectful babblers like you. I
> > have just called up officer White to come and get some stern
> > instructions from me.
>
> What? You were given the name "dorayme" by your parents at birth?

Be very very careful about my parents and what you say.

> If
> that's the case, I'd simply chalk it up to a woefully whopping whoops
> and change my name to something reasonable like "Sally" or "Gertrude" or
> "Hortense". Just make sure that whatever you choose starts with a
> capital letter and your problem will be solved.

It simply does not occur to you that there might be a very very
good reason for this name? Go listen to the Johnny Cash song, "My
name is Sue"

(And don't say something dumb like "Oh, that name begins with a
capital" That is not the point Boji! Look, I am sending a lawyer
(Danny De Vitto) over to get you to sign adoption papers, yes, I
am adopting you for a small - ahem - re-education campaign in an
Australian bootcamp I run)

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article
,
dorayme wrote:

> Have some respect and spell
> names as and how they are requested to be spelt

To avoid a pedantry, I should have said "use" instead of "spell"

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

So, if one wrote a sentence regarding the Canadian singer k.d. lang, it
would be composed as follows?

K.d. lang is a Canadian singer.

Since it has been established that k.d. lang does not capitalize any part of
her name and all sentences have to begin with a capital. Does look a bit
odd.


Me

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

"Chris F.A. Johnson" wrote in message
news:fi3li4-ika.ln1@xword.teksavvy.com...
> On 2007-05-24, dorayme wrote:
>> In article ,
>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:18:04 GMT dorayme scribed:
>>>
>>> > In article ,
>>> > Neredbojias wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Please don't so publicly capitalise
>>> >> > my name, it is a small "d".
>>> >>
>>> >> The only reason I did so was because it was part of a title and the
>>> >> first word to boot, so any word would have been therein capitalized.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > This is a bad reason. A name is not a word like the ones everyone
>>> > learns in order to speak.
>>>
>>> Then what word is it like? _Any_ word follows those rules, be it proper
>>> noun or anything else. Xhtml doesn't apply to English grammar.
>>
>> Since a name is not that much like other words,
>
> That _is_ the point. In the English language, names are capitalized.
>
> That's why e.e.cummings's business failed: it was under
> capitalized!

Actually, E.E. Cummings didn't use the all lower case form of his name.
Others did, but not he.



>
>> it is odd to ask what word is it like. Think how the normal rules
>> about capitalisation do not apply with names when they are used
>> within sentences (as contrasted with starting them). They mostly
>> remain capitalised! In other words, names are special, not like most
>> other words like "cat", "some", "you", "it". So your stated
>> objection to treat them like other words for the purpose of starting
>> sentences looks to me like very special pleading.
>
> Words that start a sentence _are_ capitalized, whether they are
> names or not.
>
>> If really pressed to say what a name is like, I suppose I might
>> say, at least, that a good name is like a good work of art,
>
> That is a signature, not merely a name.
>
>
> --
> Chris F.A. Johnson
> ============================================================ =======
> Author:
> Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Tue, 29 May 2007 22:50:22 GMT dorayme scribed:

>> How come my arguments are "babbling" and yours are...whatever?
>
> I suppose because I have made, underneath it all, an attempt to
> explain to you some interesting matters about proper names and
> you have replied without detailed understanding and with pure
> silliness (there is a distinction between pure and impure
> silliness which likely escapes you) and contempt. You have
> understandably been irked by the cheek of me pulling characters
> out of movies and sending them around to you to control your
> tendencies. It was all done over the years for your own good, it
> does not mean you have to react with idiotic logic.

What an incendiary reply. Still...doesn't light the fires of wisdom,
babe. Confidentially, methinks you're more of a babbler than I'll ever
be. Not that that makes you bad. -Just yappie.

>> Also, if you don't mind my capitalizing, why did you make a big stink
>> about it in the first place?
>
> You could not be so stupid as to draw this conclusion from my:
>
>> > I don't so mind if you capitalise
>> > every other letter in my name, just don't try to justify it with
>> > specious arguments.
>
> I did not say I did not mind capitalization of my name full stop.
>
> You just babble away without direction. You are the one that went
> on and on about grammar and rules and all that wooden stuff, how
> come you can be so cavalier about meaning?

'Tis probably just a natural propensity for Spanish nobility and wood. I
was born to be decadent.

> I'll tell you how come: because you are a robot. Earthling robots
> are typically good with rules (they follow them, they misfollow
> them, they spout them) but are not good in general on meaning.
> Syntax is their preferred habit, semantics their bete noire.
>
> You are now exposed and I have made progress on one of the
> thousands of tasks my minders have set me on earth, to dig out
> the network of robot-earthlings. Please now send a list of all
> your friends and family members, complete details now Boji, the
> game is up. Protest is useless.

Well, my regular friends wish to remain anonymous and the only family
member I possess is my penis. Can't imagine why you'd want the details
of that [:)], but as big as it is, it doesn't stretch to Australia. I
don't feel like a robot, particularly when I'm on the crapper, though I
suppose I could be one of the advanced models that have things
spontaneously coming out of their midsts in various synthetic but
satisfying ways. I do have a girlfriend; here's a picture of her:

http://tinyurl.com/25yun5

I remember my parents well enough to recall they weren't metallic, and
plasticized cyborgs came after their time. Is that enough grist to
satisfy your databank?

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Tue, 29 May 2007 23:13:13 GMT dorayme scribed:

>> Okay, proper nouns and common nouns follow different rules of grammar
>> (-presumably related to capitalization), and this difference is
>> sometimes apparent. Now how do you get from there to the belief that
>> one may allowably _not_ capitalize certain words at the beginnings of
>> sentences?
>
> How did you get to the belief that you don't use a capital "I"
> when starting a sentence with "iPod"? Go on, say something like
> "I never start sentences with "iPod" or something, you might as
> well, that is how crazy you have been talking so far.

Uh, haven't you pinned the tail on the wrong end of the donkey? What I
actually say is that you _do_ use a capital letter when starting a
sentence. Is this just some transient confusion on your part or are you
making a desperate attempt at something like reverse psychology via
double obfuscation and neurosis?

> The point is that you would respect the brand name. You would
> fear the power of Apple which is much greater than the poor
> fisticuffs skills of Officer White. Have some respect and spell
> names as and how they are requested to be spelt, they are not
> some toy for you to play with. If they are to be bandied about
> externally, at the very least, their inner integrity should be
> inviolate.

....And this procedural "rule" is according to what authority? Sounds
more like an emotional dilemma than anything else.

>> >> Even if the conclusion were true, which it isn't, the general
>> >> capitalization of proper nouns has absolutely nothing to do with
your
>> >> aversion.
>> >
>> > My aversion has nothing to do with this. It is your misguided
>> > slavish wooden grammatical habits that are in question.
>>
>> I am overly-rigid for following the rules?
>>
>
> Yes, indeed you are. You fantasise rules that do not exist or
> fantasise the application of rules which do exist and misapply
> them. That about covers it, no?

Well, at least this is a concrete (-if false) accusation. I provided the
authority of recognized sources as support for my opinion. You've
provided nothing but whining ninniness and in an erratic manner to boot.
For shame, varletina!

>> > I am not
>> > responsible for my name, but having it, I will honour it and
>> > defend it against irreverent disrespectful babblers like you. I
>> > have just called up officer White to come and get some stern
>> > instructions from me.
>>
>> What? You were given the name "dorayme" by your parents at birth?
>
> Be very very careful about my parents and what you say.

Nice way to avoid answering... However, since we both know the answer,
anyway, it confirms the lie of your statement shirking responsibility for
the dubious appellation in question.

>> If
>> that's the case, I'd simply chalk it up to a woefully whopping whoops
>> and change my name to something reasonable like "Sally" or "Gertrude"
or
>> "Hortense". Just make sure that whatever you choose starts with a
>> capital letter and your problem will be solved.
>
> It simply does not occur to you that there might be a very very
> good reason for this name? Go listen to the Johnny Cash song, "My
> name is Sue"

That name begins with a capital...

> (And don't say something dumb like "Oh, that name begins with a
> capital" That is not the point Boji! Look, I am sending a lawyer
> (Danny De Vitto) over to get you to sign adoption papers, yes, I
> am adopting you for a small - ahem - re-education campaign in an
> Australian bootcamp I run)

'Just took my dog, Myocardial Infarction, for a walk in the park and
ruminated over this discussion while Myo made his mound. Perhaps you are
right. Perhaps there _is_ a very good reason for your obstinacy which is
beyond my ability to perceive. I don't know; it could be anything...
There was a rumor 'round here one time that close association with
marsupials made one jumpy, but that could've been just a nervous
reaction. Anyway, I shall cease-and-desist with my promulgation of
propriety and leave you with the last word (-which you would probably
have had in any case) because once you're out of school, who really cares
about grammar afterwards forevermore? Ciao.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Wed, 30 May 2007 02:16:36 GMT Charlie scribed:

> So, if one wrote a sentence regarding the Canadian singer k.d. lang,
> it would be composed as follows?
>
> K.d. lang is a Canadian singer.
>
> Since it has been established that k.d. lang does not capitalize any
> part of her name and all sentences have to begin with a capital. Does
> look a bit odd.

Could be, but that isn't the point. Neither is either of our preferences
in the matter. I am not campaigning for universal acceptance of any
subjective point of view, I am simply saying that the rules or standards of
grammar plainly state words are capitalized at the beginning of sentences.
I've seen no rules or standards which list exceptions or suggest otherwise.
Who knows, there may be some, but in the absence of same, "K. d. lang is a
Canadian singer" is the more correct version. It is amazing how many
people here seem to have missed this essentially simple concept,
particularly since standards play an important part in the correct
formulation of html.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

Neredbojias wrote:

> Do you not believe in following the standards? -Or only when it "seems
> right"?

To slightly rephrase the question, should one blindly follow the standards,
even when they seem wrong? I say, no. The question then becomes, how wrong
do the standards have to seem before one can be justified in breaking them?

--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
[Geek of HTML/SQL/Perl/PHP/Python/Apache/Linux]
[OS: Linux 2.6.12-12mdksmp, up 95 days, 17:57.]

Non-Intuitive Surnames
http://tobyinkster.co.uk/blog/2007/05/25/non-intuitive-surna mes/

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Wed, 30 May 2007 10:14:09 GMT Toby A Inkster scribed:

> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> Do you not believe in following the standards? -Or only when it
>> "seems right"?
>
> To slightly rephrase the question, should one blindly follow the
> standards, even when they seem wrong? I say, no.

I agree.

> The question then
> becomes, how wrong do the standards have to seem before one can be
> justified in breaking them?

One is never justified in breaking the standards if one professes to follow
them. That should be obvious.

Your second rephrasing begs the question "Is there an objective guage of
'wrongness' for allowable nonobservance of said standard?'" There isn't,
of course, because if there were, it would be a standard
(exception/adjustment) itself. Therefore, the option lies with the
individual, as is pretty much true universally. So while it may seem
justified or prudent to you to break a standard, it may not seem so to me,
and vice versa. For that reason, (to wit: avoiding the vagueries of
subjectivity,) standards are made.

When I suggested it was wrong not to capitalize words at the beginnings of
sentences, I was objectively perfectly correct. Yet in response to a
simple statement to the effect of the jeopardy of wandering from this
established path, I received a plethora of lamentable replies which for the
most part failed to address the actual context of my communique. Is it no
wonder, then, that I became a trifle bemused? Is it at all surprising I
metaphorically belched over the cacophony of cantankerous claptrap which
greeted my tame and intrinsically instructive demure? Hardly, bro.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

In article ,
Neredbojias wrote:

> On Wed, 30 May 2007 10:14:09 GMT Toby A Inkster scribed:
>
> > Neredbojias wrote:
> >

Now, here's a trick, words actually fail me to describe the utter
crap you just wrote.

--
dorayme

Re: ALT.HTML Statistics for 20/05/2007

On Thu, 31 May 2007 06:35:24 GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 10:14:09 GMT Toby A Inkster scribed:
>>
>> > Neredbojias wrote:
>> >
>
> Now, here's a trick, words actually fail me to describe the utter
> crap you just wrote.

Tsk tsk, nasty, indeed. Well, at least you admit to failing which, I
suppose, is a step in the right direction...

PS: Nice quoting, btw.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.