help me debug Safari

Hi Folk

I am trying to debug my page in Safari.

Please have a look at

http://www.friars.co.nz/listing.php?p=ptc

When clicking on the images on the right-hand-side, they open at the
top of the page in a big size.

However, in Safari the JS does not work and it opens in a new window
(my backup for if JS does not work). I have been trying to debug this
on a Mac + Safari, but I could not find the problem.

Can you help by telling me what is wrong with the JS in Safari.

Thank you

Nicolaas

Re: help me debug Safari

In article
<1180392776.476856.287380@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
windandwaves wrote:

> Hi Folk
>
> I am trying to debug my page in Safari.
>
> Please have a look at
>
> http://www.friars.co.nz/listing.php?p=ptc
>
> When clicking on the images on the right-hand-side, they open at the
> top of the page in a big size.
>
> However, in Safari the JS does not work and it opens in a new window
> (my backup for if JS does not work). I have been trying to debug this
> on a Mac + Safari, but I could not find the problem.
>
> Can you help by telling me what is wrong with the JS in Safari.
>

Same in iCab. Which reports:

http://www.friars.co.nz/s/s.css
CSS Error (204/24): Unknown CSS property ³opacity².
CSS Error (204/36): Unknown CSS property ³filter².
CSS Error (204/69): Unknown CSS property ³-moz-opacity².
http://www.friars.co.nz/s/map.css
CSS Error (11/77): Unknown CSS property ³opacity².
CSS Error (11/89): Unknown CSS property ³filter².
CSS Error (11/122): Unknown CSS property ³-moz-opacity².
CSS Error (12/84): Unknown CSS property ³opacity².
CSS Error (12/94): Unknown CSS property ³filter².
CSS Error (12/128): Unknown CSS property ³-moz-opacity².
http://www.friars.co.nz/listing.php?p=ptc
JavaScript Error:[object DOMException: HIERARCHY_REQUEST_ERR (3)]

If you are going to use javascript, and want the enlargements to
open without "losing" the page being looked at, quite reliable at
least for those with js enabled is, in fact to open a new window,
the size of the enlargement. If you want the code for this, ask.

Frankly, I think you should not be doing all these tricks, it
looks jerky and bad and gimmicky even when it "works" as intended.

Leave the pics on the right alone and put the captions underneath
to stay. This will stop all that dancing about there. And, either
let the enlargements open in a new "pop-up" window (the same one
can be used for all the enlargements (avoiding a proliferation of
windows) by making sure you size it for the biggest of your
enlargements or else and much simpler and better, let the
enlargements go to a different url with the user either using the
back button of the browser or else a ink back to the main page
provided by you.

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dorayme

Re: help me debug Safari

On May 29, 11:13 am, dorayme wrote:
> In article
> <1180392776.476856.287...@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> windandwaves wrote:
> > Hi Folk
>
> > I am trying to debug my page in Safari.
>
> > Please have a look at
>
> >http://www.friars.co.nz/listing.php?p=3Dptc
>
> > When clicking on the images on the right-hand-side, they open at the
> > top of the page in a big size.
>
> > However, in Safari the JS does not work and it opens in a new window
> > (my backup for if JS does not work). I have been trying to debug this
> > on a Mac + Safari, but I could not find the problem.
>
> > Can you help by telling me what is wrong with the JS in Safari.
>
> Same in iCab. Which reports:
>
> http://www.friars.co.nz/s/s.css
> CSS Error (204/24): Unknown CSS property =B3opacity=B2.
> CSS Error (204/36): Unknown CSS property =B3filter=B2.
> CSS Error (204/69): Unknown CSS property =B3-moz-opacity=B2.http://www.fr=
iars.co.nz/s/map.css
> CSS Error (11/77): Unknown CSS property =B3opacity=B2.
> CSS Error (11/89): Unknown CSS property =B3filter=B2.
> CSS Error (11/122): Unknown CSS property =B3-moz-opacity=B2.
> CSS Error (12/84): Unknown CSS property =B3opacity=B2.
> CSS Error (12/94): Unknown CSS property =B3filter=B2.
> CSS Error (12/128): Unknown CSS property =B3-moz-opacity=B2.http://www.fr=
iars.co.nz/listing.php?p=3Dptc
> JavaScript Error:[object DOMException: HIERARCHY_REQUEST_ERR (3)]
>
> If you are going to use javascript, and want the enlargements to
> open without "losing" the page being looked at, quite reliable at
> least for those with js enabled is, in fact to open a new window,
> the size of the enlargement. If you want the code for this, ask.
>
> Frankly, I think you should not be doing all these tricks, it
> looks jerky and bad and gimmicky even when it "works" as intended.
>
> Leave the pics on the right alone and put the captions underneath
> to stay. This will stop all that dancing about there. And, either
> let the enlargements open in a new "pop-up" window (the same one
> can be used for all the enlargements (avoiding a proliferation of
> windows) by making sure you size it for the biggest of your
> enlargements or else and much simpler and better, let the
> enlargements go to a different url with the user either using the
> back button of the browser or else a ink back to the main page
> provided by you.
>
> --
> dorayme


Hi Dorayme

Thank you for your response

I know about the errors, no big deal in my opinion.

However, not sure where the JavaScript Error:[object DOMException:
HIERARCHY_REQUEST_ERR (3)] came from.

Did you click on the images? What happened? I am not really
interested in the design at the moment, just keen to find out the
error in JS when clicking on the images.

Personally, I like the way, the images show above the copy and no new
window is opened.

Can you help.

Thanks a million

Nicolaas

Re: help me debug Safari

In article
<1180394711.656307.153180@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
windandwaves wrote:

> However, not sure where the JavaScript Error:[object DOMException:
> HIERARCHY_REQUEST_ERR (3)] came from.
>

I was just reporting errors from iCab. I poked about in a js
verifier a little elsewhere and there is some trouble at line 3:

"character 1: Expected an identifier and instead saw '.'.
..noscreen {

Problem at line 3 character 1: Stopping, unable to continue. (0%
scanned).
..noscreen {"


Perhaps this will give you a clue? I suggest you go to a
javascript specialist newsgroup for further advice.

Expecting all browsers with their varying error correction
algorithms and js implementations to work as you expect is
perhaps too optimistic.

> Did you click on the images?
> What happened? I am not really
> interested in the design at the moment, just keen to find out the
> error in JS when clicking on the images.
>

Yes, I did click and verified all that you reported. I added that
similar happened in iCab.

> Personally, I like the way, the images show above the copy and no new
> window is opened.

You and some others might like it but that does not make it good
and solid web design. Perhaps you will return to the subject of
the design and also gain by side-stepping the problems you are
having.

Good luck, anyway.

--
dorayme

Re: help me debug Safari

"windandwaves" wrote in message
news:1180392776.476856.287380@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com.. .
> Hi Folk
>
> I am trying to debug my page in Safari.
>
> Please have a look at
>
> http://www.friars.co.nz/listing.php?p=ptc
>
> When clicking on the images on the right-hand-side, they open at the
> top of the page in a big size.
>
> However, in Safari the JS does not work and it opens in a new window
> (my backup for if JS does not work). I have been trying to debug this
> on a Mac + Safari, but I could not find the problem.
>
> Can you help by telling me what is wrong with the JS in Safari.

Nope. Not with the source code of that page. Without any formatting I can''t
read it.

However, I notice something else:

The rollover effect on those images, making the caption visible only on
rollover, is extremely distracting.

While playing with this I noticed another issue: you reload those images
*from the host* on every rollover. I was wondering why my network icon was
flashing so much and switched on firebug, noticing to my dismay your page
had used over ten megabytes of my bandwidth. Not a page I would visit again.
I hope your client has "unlimited" bandwidth :-)

--
Richard.

Re: help me debug Safari

On May 29, 1:59 pm, "rf" wrote:
> "windandwaves" wrote in message
>
> news:1180392776.476856.287380@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com.. .
>
>
>
> > Hi Folk
>
> > I am trying to debug my page in Safari.
>
> > Please have a look at
>
> >http://www.friars.co.nz/listing.php?p=ptc
>
> > When clicking on the images on the right-hand-side, they open at the
> > top of the page in a big size.
>
> > However, in Safari the JS does not work and it opens in a new window
> > (my backup for if JS does not work). I have been trying to debug this
> > on a Mac + Safari, but I could not find the problem.
>
> > Can you help by telling me what is wrong with the JS in Safari.
>
> Nope. Not with the source code of that page. Without any formatting I can''t
> read it.
>
> However, I notice something else:
>
> The rollover effect on those images, making the caption visible only on
> rollover, is extremely distracting.
>
> While playing with this I noticed another issue: you reload those images
> *from the host* on every rollover. I was wondering why my network icon was
> flashing so much and switched on firebug, noticing to my dismay your page
> had used over ten megabytes of my bandwidth. Not a page I would visit again.
> I hope your client has "unlimited" bandwidth :-)
>
> --
> Richard.

Hi Richard,

Thank you for your note. I would be very surprised if the above is
true. I use firebug too, and the images are definitely not loaded on
every roll-over. If you want to inspect the html, the easiest thing
to use is firebug....

Anyway, I might try the JS group for help.

Re: help me debug Safari

rf wrote:
>
> "windandwaves" wrote in message
> news:1180392776.476856.287380@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com.. .

>> http://www.friars.co.nz/listing.php?p=ptc
>> Can you help by telling me what is wrong with the JS in Safari.

> Nope. Not with the source code of that page. Without any formatting I can''t
> read it.

Holy crap! How does one even *create* something like that? Why?


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Re: help me debug Safari

"windandwaves" wrote in message
news:1180410240.531851.216810@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com.. .
> On May 29, 1:59 pm, "rf" wrote:
>> "windandwaves" wrote in message
>>
>> >http://www.friars.co.nz/listing.php?p=ptc
>>
>> While playing with this I noticed another issue: you reload those images
>> *from the host* on every rollover. I was wondering why my network icon
>> was
>> flashing so much and switched on firebug, noticing to my dismay your page
>> had used over ten megabytes of my bandwidth. Not a page I would visit
>> again.
>> I hope your client has "unlimited" bandwidth :-)

> Hi Richard,
>
> Thank you for your note. I would be very surprised if the above is
> true. I use firebug too, and the images are definitely not loaded on
> every roll-over.

Yes they are. My network icon was flashing because I had my cache turned off
for some testing. With the cach turned off the image is reloaded from the
host on every mouseover.

With the cache turned on the image is still reloaded, but from the cache.

If you don't believe me then switch on firebug, the Net tab, and watch the
requests pile up. There is a network request for *every* mouseover.

http://barefile.com.au/ww.jpg (100K)

Right down the bottom, see 10 megabytes of download? Not that it really
matters I suppose, if it's coming from the cache.

> If you want to inspect the html, the easiest thing
> to use is firebug....

Why make me jump throught hoops to attempt to help you? :-)

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Richard.