Top Stories
onclick="getNav(this.id,
urls);getXml('http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/world');return false;"
id="http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/world" class="nav"
href="javascript:">
World News
onclick="getNav(this.id,
urls);getXml('http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/us');return false;"
id="http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/us" class="nav"
href="javascript:">
U.S. News
[etc.]
It isn't the original source code, but it generates the equivalent page.
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 29.05.2007 19:55:37 von Benjamin Niemann
ad@albert-dominguez.de wrote:
> On May 29, 7:12 pm, Benjamin Niemann
wrote:
>> wget -O - -q --referer=http://www.smart-cgi.com/api/js.js\
>> http://www.smart-cgi.com/api/rss.php?url=http://rss.news.yah oo.com/rs...
>
> Auch schon erledigt. Danke!
What has changed? I don't see a difference.
And even if - we could keep playing this game endlessly.
You have to realize that your approach suffers from the same fundamental
flaw as any other "IP protection": There is *no* way, your script could
reliably differenciate between legitimate and 'bad' requests. It only sees
a stream of incoming octets, which can be arbitrarily forged to mimic
a 'legitimate visitor'.
--
Benjamin Niemann
Email: pink at odahoda dot de
WWW: http://pink.odahoda.de/
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 29.05.2007 20:22:49 von Ed Mullen
JWS wrote:
> ad@albert-dominguez.de wrote:
>
>> http://www.smart-cgi.com/api/
>>
>> If anyone is able to crack this, I would appreciate the feedback.
>
> Just clicking file, save page as, web page complete (in Mozilla
> Seamonkey) reveals the whole sorry mess. No cracking is involved.
Or also access the info via the browser cache (Mozilla, SeaMonkey, Firefox):
about:cache?device=disk
about:cache?device=memory
--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
http://mozilla.edmullen.net
http://abington.edmullen.net
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 29.05.2007 20:49:39 von n0ctis
If it exists, it is obtainable. If the browser can read it, so can you.
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 29.05.2007 21:56:59 von Samuel van Laere
schreef in bericht
news:1180444447.907693.315290@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com.. .
>
> If anyone is able to crack this, I would appreciate the feedback.
>
I don't get it, under IE I use the Instant Source plugin and it displays the
source straight away.
So what is hidden??
Cheers,
Sam
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 30.05.2007 01:46:05 von dorayme
In article <465c505a$0$16946$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl>,
JWS wrote:
> ad@albert-dominguez.de wrote:
>
> > http://www.smart-cgi.com/api/
> >
> > If anyone is able to crack this, I would appreciate the feedback.
>
> Just clicking file, save page as, web page complete (in Mozilla
> Seamonkey) reveals the whole sorry mess. No cracking is involved.
And so too in Safari.
--
dorayme
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 30.05.2007 01:55:17 von dorayme
In article <5c36huF2s86imU1@mid.individual.net>,
Harlan Messinger wrote:
> ad@albert-dominguez.de wrote:
> > Hiding HTML source code is possible. It requires JavaScript, but there
> > is no need to encrypt HTML output or do anything else which would
> > decrease performance. I discovered this about five years ago, but at
> > that time it would have been considered bad practice in regards to
> > cross-browser-compatibility. Now that AJAX has become a programming
> > standard, the time has come to let this loose on the the public. I
> > won't tell you how I do it, but I will provide you with a working
> > example.
> >
> > http://www.smart-cgi.com/api/
> >
> > If anyone is able to crack this, I would appreciate the feedback.
>
> Firefox's DOM Inspector--from the context menu for the HTML element,
> Copy XML to get the following on the Windows clipboard:
>
>
> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
>
>
>
> Smart-CGI.com
etc
On FF 2.0.0.3 on Mac, this technique gets only this on the Mac
clipboard:
--
dorayme
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 30.05.2007 11:05:00 von Neredbojias
On Tue, 29 May 2007 13:14:07 GMT scribed:
> Hiding HTML source code is possible.
No, it isn't. Try Flash or something like that. It may be possible to
hide that source code, but dunno fo' sure.
--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 00:55:47 von dorayme
In article <465de627$0$331$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
"Samuel van Laere" wrote:
> schreef in bericht
> news:1180444447.907693.315290@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com.. .
> >
> > If anyone is able to crack this, I would appreciate the feedback.
> >
>
> I don't get it, under IE I use the Instant Source plugin and it displays the
> source straight away.
> So what is hidden??
>
You don't get it? Well, it is time for you to use IE without the
plugin, to use FF (and some other browsers) and simply View
Source.
You make a mistake that is similar in one crucial respect to a
naive but classy chess player who knocks over the local pub champ
and thinks, what is so great about him?
--
dorayme
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 03:43:43 von Andrew
On 29 May 2007 06:14:07 -0700
ad@albert-dominguez.de wrote:
> Hiding HTML source code is possible.
[...]
I believe that the desire to hide the source code of a site is
usually inversely proportionate to the actual worth of that source
code.
Andrew
--
Andrew's Corner
http://people.aapt.net.au/~adjlstrong/dapper.html
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 06:31:26 von Blinky the Shark
Samuel van Laere wrote:
> schreef in bericht
> news:1180444447.907693.315290@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com.. .
>>
>> If anyone is able to crack this, I would appreciate the feedback.
>>
>
> I don't get it, under IE I use the Instant Source plugin and it displays the
> source straight away.
> So what is hidden??
The basis of the assertions that the page is hidden.
--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 09:40:27 von Shion
Andrew wrote:
> On 29 May 2007 06:14:07 -0700
> ad@albert-dominguez.de wrote:
>
>> Hiding HTML source code is possible.
>
> [...]
>
> I believe that the desire to hide the source code of a site is
> usually inversely proportionate to the actual worth of that source
> code.
What is the worth of HTML source anyway? I mean, make a page available
on the Web, and a million web developers could exactly duplicate the
look and behaviour of the page without ever seeing the code. Indeed, if
I was going to 'borrow' somebody's design, I would avoid reusing the
original code in favour of deliberately re-coding the page myself,
because then it would be in my coding style and I'd understand it
intimately.
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 11:47:52 von Andy Dingley
On 31 May, 08:40, JD wrote:
> What is the worth of HTML source anyway? I mean, make a page available
> on the Web, and a million web developers could exactly duplicate the
> look and behaviour of the page without ever seeing the code.
Employing that million web developers would still cost me a million
sacks of peanuts though.
If a page is as complicated as eBay, then even simply copying it
represents a significant cost. Copying it from the source, compared to
copying the design and re-coding it, is a commercially significant
chunk of cost, if you're in the business of cloning eBay.
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 11:58:06 von Andy Dingley
On 31 May, 02:43, Andrew wrote:
> I believe that the desire to hide the source code of a site is
> usually inversely proportionate to the actual worth of that source
> code.
No argument with that!
Does this law have a name?
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 13:43:59 von unknown
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Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 13:46:42 von unknown
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Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 15:33:55 von rf
"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
news:1180605486.677297.310490@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 31 May, 02:43, Andrew wrote:
>
>> I believe that the desire to hide the source code of a site is
>> usually inversely proportionate to the actual worth of that source
>> code.
>
> No argument with that!
>
> Does this law have a name?
It's hidden.
--
Richard.
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 16:17:09 von lws4art
Cynode wrote:
> You should try making your images unsaveable also.
>
> I have a trick to making images impossible for someone else to save. I
> don't upload them.
The same way I protect a page's html, don't publish it!
--
Take care,
Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 16:29:44 von Harlan Messinger
dorayme wrote:
> In article <5c36huF2s86imU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Harlan Messinger wrote:
>
>> ad@albert-dominguez.de wrote:
>>> Hiding HTML source code is possible. It requires JavaScript, but there
>>> is no need to encrypt HTML output or do anything else which would
>>> decrease performance. I discovered this about five years ago, but at
>>> that time it would have been considered bad practice in regards to
>>> cross-browser-compatibility. Now that AJAX has become a programming
>>> standard, the time has come to let this loose on the the public. I
>>> won't tell you how I do it, but I will provide you with a working
>>> example.
>>>
>>> http://www.smart-cgi.com/api/
>>>
>>> If anyone is able to crack this, I would appreciate the feedback.
>> Firefox's DOM Inspector--from the context menu for the HTML element,
>> Copy XML to get the following on the Windows clipboard:
>>
>>
>> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
>>
>>
>>
>> Smart-CGI.com
>
> etc
>
> On FF 2.0.0.3 on Mac, this technique gets only this on the Mac
> clipboard:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Does the DOM Inspector at least show the more detailed structure in the
tree diagram? If so, you can probably get the code behind the elements
that appear in the tree but that aren't included in the above snippet of
code.
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 17:23:36 von Philip Semanchuk
In article ,
Cynode wrote:
> On 29 May 2007 06:14:07 -0700, ad@albert-dominguez.de wrote:
>
> >
> >http://www.smart-cgi.com/api/
> >
> >If anyone is able to crack this, I would appreciate the feedback.
> >
> >Albert Dominguez
>
> You should try making your images unsaveable also.
>
> I have a trick to making images impossible for someone else to save. I
> don't upload them.
Ah, you can do better than that. For instance, I don't even *create* the
images that I want others not to be able to save. Furthermore, I create
dummy images that look like the real thing and upload them to my Web
site.
--
Philip
http://NikitaTheSpider.com/
Whole-site HTML validation, link checking and more
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 19:59:17 von unknown
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Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 23:15:08 von dorayme
In article <5c84eoF2ukqhgU2@mid.individual.net>,
Harlan Messinger wrote:
> dorayme wrote:
> > In article <5c36huF2s86imU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > Harlan Messinger wrote:
> >
> >
> > On FF 2.0.0.3 on Mac, this technique gets only this on the Mac
> > clipboard:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Does the DOM Inspector at least show the more detailed structure in the
> tree diagram? If so, you can probably get the code behind the elements
> that appear in the tree but that aren't included in the above snippet of
> code.
It is not doing this, no. But then, there may be tricks I am
unaware of with my FF DI? It would be interesting to hear if
anyone on a Mac is getting the details your way on the FF I
mentioned. (though, yesterday, it upgraded itself... to 2.0.0.4)
As I said previously, and following an earlier suggestion by
another subscriber, there is no trouble getting the code on some
other browsers using save as web archive and viewing the source.
--
dorayme
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 23:18:34 von dorayme
In article
,
Nikita the Spider wrote:
> In article ,
> Cynode wrote:
>
> > On 29 May 2007 06:14:07 -0700, ad@albert-dominguez.de wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >http://www.smart-cgi.com/api/
> > >
> > >If anyone is able to crack this, I would appreciate the feedback.
> > >
> > >Albert Dominguez
> >
> > You should try making your images unsaveable also.
> >
> > I have a trick to making images impossible for someone else to save. I
> > don't upload them.
>
> Ah, you can do better than that. For instance, I don't even *create* the
> images that I want others not to be able to save. Furthermore, I create
> dummy images that look like the real thing and upload them to my Web
> site.
May I get into this little competition? I create the dummy images
to outfox the users and then the coupe de grace: I deliberately
don't even load these up to the server.
(Hi there Nikita...)
--
dorayme
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 31.05.2007 23:25:11 von dorayme
In article ,
Cynode wrote:
> On Thu, 31 May 2007 11:23:36 -0400, Nikita the Spider
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Ah, you can do better than that
>
>
> ok! I don't even THINK of the image, and if I absolutely must, I wear
> a tinfoil hat. you can not breach my tinfoil hat.
>
You would have to have thought of it in the first place as a
condition for deliberately not uploading it. And unguardedly too,
otherwise what would cause you to reach for the hat? I am sorry,
Cynode, but you leave a breach in your defences, however fleeting.
--
dorayme
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 01.06.2007 00:08:50 von Shion
dorayme wrote:
> In article ,
> Cynode wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 31 May 2007 11:23:36 -0400, Nikita the Spider
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, you can do better than that
>>
>> ok! I don't even THINK of the image, and if I absolutely must, I wear
>> a tinfoil hat. you can not breach my tinfoil hat.
>>
>
> You would have to have thought of it in the first place as a
> condition for deliberately not uploading it. And unguardedly too,
> otherwise what would cause you to reach for the hat? I am sorry,
> Cynode, but you leave a breach in your defences, however fleeting.
Cynode could get around that by wearing the hat all of the time.
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 01.06.2007 00:16:19 von dorayme
In article <5c8vbgF2ur8e9U1@mid.individual.net>,
JD wrote:
> Cynode could get around that by wearing the hat all of the time.
I don't think so. See my reply to his...
--
dorayme
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 01.06.2007 00:23:30 von lws4art
Cynode wrote:
> ok! I don't even THINK of the image, and if I absolutely must, I wear
> a tinfoil hat. you can not breach my tinfoil hat.
Remember the shiny side *must* go towards the outside to be effective.
--
Take care,
Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 01.06.2007 02:56:40 von Ed Mullen
dorayme wrote:
> In article
> ,
> Nikita the Spider wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> Cynode wrote:
>>
>>> On 29 May 2007 06:14:07 -0700, ad@albert-dominguez.de wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.smart-cgi.com/api/
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is able to crack this, I would appreciate the feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Albert Dominguez
>>> You should try making your images unsaveable also.
>>>
>>> I have a trick to making images impossible for someone else to save. I
>>> don't upload them.
>> Ah, you can do better than that. For instance, I don't even *create* the
>> images that I want others not to be able to save. Furthermore, I create
>> dummy images that look like the real thing and upload them to my Web
>> site.
>
> May I get into this little competition? I create the dummy images
> to outfox the users and then the coupe de grace: I deliberately
> don't even load these up to the server.
>
> (Hi there Nikita...)
>
Images? I don't need no stinking images!
Ok, what are images?
--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
http://mozilla.edmullen.net
http://abington.edmullen.net
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 01.06.2007 10:48:41 von mannerboy
On May 29, 9:14 pm, a...@albert-dominguez.de wrote:
> Hiding HTML source code is possible. It requires JavaScript, but there
> is no need to encrypt HTML output or do anything else which would
> decrease performance. I discovered this about five years ago, but at
> that time it would have been considered bad practice in regards to
> cross-browser-compatibility. Now that AJAX has become a programming
> standard, the time has come to let this loose on the the public. I
> won't tell you how I do it, but I will provide you with a working
> example.
>
> http://www.smart-cgi.com/api/
>
> If anyone is able to crack this, I would appreciate the feedback.
>
> Albert Dominguez
httpwatch~~~
Re: Hide HTML Source Code
am 01.06.2007 23:52:34 von Samuel van Laere
"dorayme" schreef in bericht
news:doraymeRidThis-BB62C3.08554731052007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
>
> You don't get it? Well, it is time for you to use IE without the
> plugin, to use FF (and some other browsers) and simply View
> Source.
>
IE plugins makes using that browser more fun - though some will disagree
with that opinion :)
I use Firefox daily, just didn't check that site with me beloved one.
Cheers,
Sam