Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

Hi!

I am taking my first unsure steps creating a website, using
Dreamweaver 6.1. Perhaps somebody here can help me with the following
questions:

1) Is it possible to put a visible border around a layer? Layers seem
to be a great way doing layout, since you can put them anywhere on a
page. However, sometimes I'd like to have a border around a layer. Can
it be done? How?

2) Is there a good tutorial for Dreamweaver somebody could
recommmend?

3) I'd like to limit access to parts of my site with a password. How
do I do that?

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed grubas8@gazeta.pl writing in
news:1180796122.329182.16840@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

>
> Hi!
>
> I am taking my first unsure steps creating a website, using
> Dreamweaver 6.1. Perhaps somebody here can help me with the following
> questions:
>

You would do better getting to know the actual markup language. That
way, if Dreamweaver weaves you a nightmare, you'll be able to fix it.

> 1) Is it possible to put a visible border around a layer? Layers seem
> to be a great way doing layout, since you can put them anywhere on a
> page. However, sometimes I'd like to have a border around a layer. Can
> it be done? How?

What layers? There are no layers in HTML (except for a proprietary
element from Netscape years ago that is not used).

>
> 2) Is there a good tutorial for Dreamweaver somebody could
> recommmend?

I am sure there are, but you would do much better for yourself, and the
Internet, if you would learn the language itself. It's not very
difficult.

>
> 3) I'd like to limit access to parts of my site with a password. How
> do I do that?
>
>

You could try javascript and be insecure, or you can do it server side.
It depends on what you have available.


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Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 07:55:22 -0700, grubas8@gazeta.pl wrote:

>
>Hi!
>
>I am taking my first unsure steps creating a website, using
>Dreamweaver 6.1. Perhaps somebody here can help me with the following
>questions:
>
>1) Is it possible to put a visible border around a layer?

There is no such thing as a "layer" in either html or CSS. This is an
"invention" of Dreamweaver that should be avoided like the plague.What
Dreamweaver actually does in this mode is position your page elements
with the CSS absolute positioning rules, a well known way to produce a
brittle page that does not work correctly under different viewpoint
sizes and font enlargements, all of which you have no control over.

Can the Dreamweaver "layers" and learn to write valid and semantic html,
and then style it with CSS.

"WYSIWYG" editors on the web are a snare and a delusion because, unlike
paper, there is no "WYG" available. "What you get" will vary from
browser to browser and system to system and there is nothing whatsoever
you can do about that, except design with that fact in mind. The web is
not paper!

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 14:55:22 GMT scribed:

> 1) Is it possible to put a visible border around a layer? Layers seem
> to be a great way doing layout, since you can put them anywhere on a
> page. However, sometimes I'd like to have a border around a layer. Can
> it be done? How?

Yes, but...
In general, "layers" are outside the document flow and thus are not a good
way to do layout. Bordering can be done with css, for instance in the head
section:



> 2) Is there a good tutorial for Dreamweaver somebody could
> recommmend?

Google for "Dreamweaver tutorial".

> 3) I'd like to limit access to parts of my site with a password. How
> do I do that?

Again, research it via tech info sites. It's quite possible though not
simple.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

As the gang says, forget the "layers" crap.

Try

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

Timothy Ace Holleran wrote:
> As the gang says, forget the "layers" crap.

About the only useful bit in your message, to reiterate what others have
already said. Now the top-posting and lack of trimming....

>
> Try

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

"Jonathan N. Little" wrote in message
news:b2007$4663094e$40cba7bd$3906@NAXS.COM...
> Timothy Ace Holleran wrote:
>> As the gang says, forget the "layers" crap.
>
> About the only useful bit in your message, to reiterate what others have
> already said. Now the top-posting and lack of trimming....
> Take care,
>
> Jonathan
> -------------------
> LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
> http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Hey Jon, if I had a home page that looked like Little Works, I wouldn't be
so quick to criticize. Ouch!

tah

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

Timothy Ace Holleran wrote:
> "Jonathan N. Little" wrote in message
> news:b2007$4663094e$40cba7bd$3906@NAXS.COM...
>> Timothy Ace Holleran wrote:
>>> As the gang says, forget the "layers" crap.
>> About the only useful bit in your message, to reiterate what others have
>> already said. Now the top-posting and lack of trimming....
>> Take care,
>>
>> Jonathan
>> -------------------
>> LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
>> http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
>
> Hey Jon, if I had a home page that looked like Little Works, I wouldn't be
> so quick to criticize. Ouch!

And how does this relate to not recommending circa 1995 markup methods
to a newbie?

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

In article ,
"Timothy Ace Holleran" wrote:

> "Jonathan N. Little" wrote in message
> news:b2007$4663094e$40cba7bd$3906@NAXS.COM...
> > Timothy Ace Holleran wrote:
> >> As the gang says, forget the "layers" crap.
> >
> > About the only useful bit in your message, to reiterate what others have
> > already said. Now the top-posting and lack of trimming....
> > Take care,
> >
> > Jonathan
> > -------------------
> > LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
> > http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
>
> Hey Jon, if I had a home page that looked like Little Works, I wouldn't be
> so quick to criticize. Ouch!
>
> tah

Well, you have not got a page like that so don't come the raw
prawn with a mensch like Jonathan.

"coming the raw prawn" is an Australian expression:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=raw+prawn

while

mensch |men ch | |m?n?| |m?n?| is


noun ( pl. menschen |?men ch ?n|or mensches) informal
a person of integrity and honor.
ORIGIN 1930s: Yiddish mensh, from German Mensch, literally
Œperson.¹

--
dorayme

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

On Jun 2, 12:58 pm, Ed Seedhouse wrote:

> "WYSIWYG" editors on the web are a snare and a delusion because, unlike
> paper, there is no "WYG" available. "What you get" will vary from
> browser to browser and system to system and there is nothing whatsoever
> you can do about that, except design with that fact in mind. The web is
> not paper!

The code produced by Dreamweaver will produce web pages that work
perfectly well in virtually everyone's browser. That said, Learn HTML
and CSS. They are pretty simple. Combine a tool like dreamweaver
with a good foundation of HTML and CSS knowledge and you will have a
very powerful combination.

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

Timothy Ace Holleran wrote:
> "Jonathan N. Little" wrote in message
> news:b2007$4663094e$40cba7bd$3906@NAXS.COM...
>> Timothy Ace Holleran wrote:
>>> As the gang says, forget the "layers" crap.
>> About the only useful bit in your message, to reiterate what others have
>> already said. Now the top-posting and lack of trimming....
>> Take care,
>>
>> Jonathan
>> -------------------
>> LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
>> http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
>
> Hey Jon, if I had a home page that looked like Little Works, I wouldn't be
> so quick to criticize. Ouch!

Wow. That's so mature, "Ace".

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

Travis Newbury wrote:
> On Jun 2, 12:58 pm, Ed Seedhouse wrote:
>
>> "WYSIWYG" editors on the web are a snare and a delusion because, unlike
>> paper, there is no "WYG" available. "What you get" will vary from
>> browser to browser and system to system and there is nothing whatsoever
>> you can do about that, except design with that fact in mind. The web is
>> not paper!
>
> The code produced by Dreamweaver will produce web pages that work
> perfectly well in virtually everyone's browser. That said, Learn HTML
> and CSS. They are pretty simple. Combine a tool like dreamweaver
> with a good foundation of HTML and CSS knowledge and you will have a
> very powerful combination.

DW makes a fantastic HTML editor in code view, that's for sure. It has
the best code hints I've seen anywhere.

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

Look, I'm all done with you guys. Jonathan was the first to be rude.

Please, don't worry about perfectly good newbie tips from 1995 when you have
a Fisher-Price website! And you other nancy-boys rise to defend him! IU can
imagine the gawdawful crap you're putting on the web.

Grubas, go elsewhere for advice. These people are hacks!


"JD" wrote in message
news:5cig3rF313phiU1@mid.individual.net...
> Timothy Ace Holleran wrote:
>> "Jonathan N. Little" wrote in message
>> news:b2007$4663094e$40cba7bd$3906@NAXS.COM...
>>> Timothy Ace Holleran wrote:
>>>> As the gang says, forget the "layers" crap.
>>> About the only useful bit in your message, to reiterate what others have
>>> already said. Now the top-posting and lack of trimming....
>>> Take care,
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>> -------------------
>>> LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
>>> http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
>>
>> Hey Jon, if I had a home page that looked like Little Works, I wouldn't
>> be so quick to criticize. Ouch!
>
> Wow. That's so mature, "Ace".

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

On 4 Jun, 13:53, JD wrote:

> DW makes a fantastic HTML editor in code view, that's for sure. It has
> the best code hints I've seen anywhere.

Like "Don't use the title attribute as it's incompatible with NS4" ?

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

On 4 Jun, 17:39, "Timothy Ace Holleran"
wrote:
> Look, I'm all done with you guys.

Don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out, you might
catch your frock in it.

> Jonathan was the first to be rude.

He just posts faster than the rest of us.

> Please, don't worry about perfectly good newbie tips from 1995

No, you recommended that a fresh, unblemished newbie _begin_ by
learning techniques that became obsolete 10 years ago. That's _not_ a
good recommendation.

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

Andy Dingley wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 13:53, JD wrote:
>
>> DW makes a fantastic HTML editor in code view, that's for sure. It has
>> the best code hints I've seen anywhere.
>
> Like "Don't use the title attribute as it's incompatible with NS4" ?

Code hints in DW refer to the little menus that pop up when you're
typing in code view, listing the available
elements/attributes/properties/values (depending on the context).

It's an extremely helpful feature.

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

"Timothy Ace Holleran" writes:

Upside-down. Please don't do that.

> "JD" wrote in message
> news:5cig3rF313phiU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Timothy Ace Holleran wrote:
>>> "Jonathan N. Little" wrote in message
>>> news:b2007$4663094e$40cba7bd$3906@NAXS.COM...
>>>> Timothy Ace Holleran wrote:
>>>>> As the gang says, forget the "layers" crap.
>>>> About the only useful bit in your message, to reiterate what others have
>>>> already said. Now the top-posting and lack of trimming....
>>>> Take care,
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>> -------------------
>>>> LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
>>>> http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
>>>
>>> Hey Jon, if I had a home page that looked like Little Works, I wouldn't
>>> be so quick to criticize. Ouch!
>>
>> Wow. That's so mature, "Ace".
>
> Look, I'm all done with you guys. Jonathan was the first to be rude.

You gave bad advice. It would have been rude for Jonathan to let it stand
without comment.

> Please, don't worry about perfectly good newbie tips from 1995 when you have
> a Fisher-Price website!

To begin with, your "tips" weren't prefectly good - they were woefully out-
dated. And secondly, Jonathan's comments were about implementing the HTML
code, not about aesthetics or design. Changing the subject with the usenet
equivalent of "you're ugly" is childish. Grow up.

sherm--

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Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

JD wrote:
>
> Code hints in DW refer to the little menus that pop up when you're
> typing in code view, listing the available
> elements/attributes/properties/values (depending on the context).
>
> It's an extremely helpful feature.

DW is not the only editor that has this feature. BTW, I find it an
extremely annoying and distracting feature and disable it the moment I
come across it. TEHO

--
Berg

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:16:48 +0100, JD wrote:

>> Like "Don't use the title attribute as it's incompatible with NS4" ?
>
>Code hints in DW refer to the little menus that pop up when you're
>typing in code view, listing the available
>elements/attributes/properties/values (depending on the context).

Or in the case of the title attribute, warning you _not_ to use it.
That's hardly a helpful practice!


Last version of DW I used did this a year or so back. I don't know if
it still does it.

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

It's hard for me to believe how devoted you are to coding, all of you, when
your sites look so ugly.

You are so worried about insipid coding that you have lost sight of cogent
design.

The jonathan little and west virginia sites are eyeslaughter. If I gave my
clients dog-doo like that, I would starve.

You can rant about CSS and your silly standards, thinking that this is all
hard-and-fast science. It's also about aesthetics, a topic which is foreign
to you. It doesn't matter a whit how much HTML, XML, JS, Flash or Ajax you
know if the end result looks like the amateurish pabulum you put on the web.

I know all these standards. I make my living developing web sites. Good,
basic HTML tutelege is available readily on HTMLGoodies, no matter how old
it is. I'm sure there are other, newer sites with better tips. Again, I say,
how can you dispense advice when you can't build an attractive one of your
own?

Stop trying to be cutting-edge and worry about the general look and feel of
your sites. Then counsel others.

You are more concerned about how to build a clock than if it actually works.

Bring it on, skirts.

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

In article ,
"Timothy Ace Holleran" wrote:

> It's hard for me to believe how devoted you are to coding, all of you, when
> your sites look so ugly.
>
....

> You can rant about CSS and your silly standards, thinking that this is all
> hard-and-fast science. It's also about aesthetics

....

>
> Stop trying to be cutting-edge and worry about the general look and feel of
> your sites. Then counsel others.
>
> You are more concerned about how to build a clock than if it actually works.
>
> Bring it on, skirts.

Them's the fightin' words I like, Ace.

May I make a few points? First, just to get it out of the way, I
thought you were "done with us guys"?

I think you misunderstand some things about some nominally
technical newsgroups like this. Think of its value as being
sometimes pure technical advice, sometimes advice about ideals
within which to ply the trade without actually touching on
matters aesthetic.

If this sort of talk of mine is kinda not to your taste, well,
how about I put it another way. It would help for you to go see
some boxing movies where the trainers are too old to be up for a
real fight (but young cheeks have to be careful, see Morgan
Freeman in action in Million Dollar Baby where he floored one of
the gym's star young hopefuls). These trainers can direct and
form other young talent. The world of coaching is not all about
actual star quality, some are or were stars, some are not but
have a gift in communicating and motivating and know enough about
what it takes.

People are rather rude here quite often. Fine, be rude back, it
is a bloody ugly business sometimes. But don't lose sight of what
I am telling you here.

--
dorayme

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

On 6 Jun, 08:42, "Timothy Ace Holleran"
wrote:

> I know all these standards. I make my living developing web sites.

Which you're afraid to post URLs too.

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

Timothy Ace Holleran wrote:
> It's hard for me to believe how devoted you are to coding, all of you, when
> your sites look so ugly.
>
> You are so worried about insipid coding that you have lost sight of cogent
> design.
>
> The jonathan little and west virginia sites are eyeslaughter. If I gave my
> clients dog-doo like that, I would starve.
>
Graphic design is only one part of web authoring and quite a small
part at that.

> You can rant about CSS and your silly standards, thinking that this is all
> hard-and-fast science. It's also about aesthetics,
No-one is saying otherwise!.

> a topic which is foreign
> to you.
How the hell would you know that? You can't just judge a sites
functionality by the way it looks, in fact if you can use the site
without a screen or mouse and access all the functionality, then it's
a well designed site and if it looks good graphicly then your bloody
good!.

>It doesn't matter a whit how much HTML, XML, JS, Flash or Ajax you
> know if the end result looks like the amateurish pabulum you put on the web.
>
The above quote proves you have NFI idea about what your doing! As I
said graphic design is only one part of web design. Look up the
seperation of content and presontation and you might get more of an
idea of what many of us know already.

> I know all these standards. I make my living developing web sites. Good,
> basic HTML tutelege is available readily on HTMLGoodies, no matter how old
> it is.
Might I remind you at this point that the site you mention as being
"good" actually has over 100 HTML validation errors and it's a
tutorial site, perthetic really.


>I'm sure there are other, newer sites with better tips. >Again, I say,
> how can you dispense advice when you can't build an >attractive one of your
> own?

Read what I wrote above regarding graphic design on the web, then read
it again!!

> Stop trying to be cutting-edge and worry about the general >look and feel of
> your sites. Then counsel others.
>
Also read the part I wrote regardign you being a cluless git!

> You are more concerned about how to build a clock than if it actually works.
>
I need to point the fact yet again that the entire point of the W3C
specs on HTML and CSS are actually a messure of makeing sure that
sites do actually work! I know it's a shock but otherwise why the hell
do you think browser makers would bother too support them. Opera have
members of the W3C on the committee.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.awardspace.biz

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

Timothy Ace Holleran wrote:
> It's hard for me to believe how devoted you are to coding, all of you, when
> your sites look so ugly.
>
> Stop trying to be cutting-edge and worry about the general look and feel of
> your sites. Then counsel others.

You can set an example for everyone else by pointing to a few URLs of
your own. Then we'd know you aren't just trolling.

--
Berg

Re: Some newbie questions (Dreamweaver)

On Jun 6, 3:42 am, "Timothy Ace Holleran"
wrote:
> You are more concerned about how to build a clock than if it actually works.

While you would probably build a really nice-looking clock that shows
the wrong time.

--
Dan