Rant - Small font sizes

Why is it that IT web sites seem to always use the smallest font
possible? I went to one today and had to sign up to view an article.
All the input boxes had tiny text. This was a Windows IT site, so
probably they think that only IE people are using it, and those poor
people can't adjust px text sizes. Thank goodness I use Opera.

Rant over. Thanks, I feel better.

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

Adrienne Boswell wrote:
> Why is it that IT web sites seem to always use the smallest font
> possible? I went to one today and had to sign up to view an article.
> All the input boxes had tiny text. This was a Windows IT site, so
> probably they think that only IE people are using it, and those poor
> people can't adjust px text sizes. Thank goodness I use Opera.
>
> Rant over. Thanks, I feel better.
>
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>

I use 1 em (12pt or 16pt?) font size on my webpages. Hardly needs
re-scaling.

Most people use smaller font-sizes to pack more text in the visible
window. Works for sites where you don't actually have to read :)

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Animesh K
writing in news:f49l4l$2359$3@agate.berkeley.edu:

> Adrienne Boswell wrote:
>> Why is it that IT web sites seem to always use the smallest font
>> possible? I went to one today and had to sign up to view an article.
>> All the input boxes had tiny text. This was a Windows IT site, so
>> probably they think that only IE people are using it, and those poor
>> people can't adjust px text sizes. Thank goodness I use Opera.
>>
>> Rant over. Thanks, I feel better.
>>
>> --
>> Adrienne Boswell at work
>> Administrator nextBlock.com
>> http://atlas.nextblock.com/files/
shameless plug

>
> I use 1 em (12pt or 16pt?) font size on my webpages. Hardly needs
> re-scaling.
>
> Most people use smaller font-sizes to pack more text in the visible
> window. Works for sites where you don't actually have to read :)
>

Actually, you would do better with:
body {/* whatever colors you want here, and generic font family*/}
h1 {*/ whatever percentage - I usually use 130% of body, but since there
IS not font size defined it defaults to the users size*/}
..legalese {*/ a smaller font-size, for me usually 75% = again it's 75% of
the user's chosen font size */}

IE has had problems with 1em, and what about users who 1em is either too
big, or too small. Percentages work like magic, just what the user
ordered.

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

On Jun 7, 1:44 pm, Adrienne Boswell wrote:
> Why is it that IT web sites seem to always use the smallest font
> possible?...

They do it because they don't see it as an issue. It looks good to
them, therefore, it looks good to everyone. And (sorry to say) in
most cases, they are probably right. It more than likely does look
fine to the overwhelming majority of the visitors.

Us old farts (include yourself is applicable...) either have to get
some good-ol dollar store reading glasses, or change the font size.

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

On Jun 7, 3:09 pm, Animesh K wrote:
> > Why is it that IT web sites seem to always use the smallest font
> > possible?
> I use 1 em (12pt or 16pt?) font size on my webpages. Hardly needs
> re-scaling.

So you just piss off a smaller number of people...

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

"Adrienne Boswell" wrote in message
news:1181238259.344695.39570@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Why is it that IT web sites seem to always use the smallest font
> possible? I went to one today and had to sign up to view an article.
> All the input boxes had tiny text. This was a Windows IT site, so
> probably they think that only IE people are using it, and those poor
> people can't adjust px text sizes. Thank goodness I use Opera.

Why bother gearing up to a rant. Simply tell your browser to use a minimum
font size. If the site breaks then there is always their competitor just
over there --->

> Rant over. Thanks, I feel better.

Know what you mean :-)


Same goes for sites that take forever to load. On cable here and if
something takes more than a couple or three seconds (let us allow that the
server may be temporarily overloaded) I look at my network icon. If it
remains flashing (that is, it's indicating I'm downloading stuff at up to
500KB/s) for another two seconds I instantly hit the back button and choose
the next search result.


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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

Animesh K wrote:
>
> Most people use smaller font-sizes to pack more text in the visible
> window.

I doubt that's the *usual* reason, but is possibly *a* reason.

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

In article <5cu7toF3290p7U2@mid.individual.net>,
Bergamot wrote:

> Animesh K wrote:
> >
> > Most people use smaller font-sizes to pack more text in the visible
> > window.
>
> I doubt that's the *usual* reason, but is possibly *a* reason.

But you are not going to reveal what you think is the predominant
reason.

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

"dorayme" wrote in message
news:doraymeRidThis-9CACE4.09591409062007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
> In article <5cu7toF3290p7U2@mid.individual.net>,
> Bergamot wrote:
>
>> Animesh K wrote:
>> >
>> > Most people use smaller font-sizes to pack more text in the visible
>> > window.
>>
>> I doubt that's the *usual* reason, but is possibly *a* reason.
>
> But you are not going to reveal what you think is the predominant
> reason.

Sheep.

Everybody else does it so I must do it as well.

Or perhaps lemmings. Over the cliff into the sea of unreadability.

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

rf wrote:
>
> "dorayme" wrote in message
> news:doraymeRidThis-9CACE4.09591409062007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
>> In article <5cu7toF3290p7U2@mid.individual.net>,
>> Bergamot wrote:
>>
>>> Animesh K wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Most people use smaller font-sizes to pack more text in the visible
>>> > window.
>>>
>>> I doubt that's the *usual* reason, but is possibly *a* reason.
>>
>> But you are not going to reveal what you think is the predominant
>> reason.
>
> Sheep.
>
> Everybody else does it so I must do it as well.
>
> Or perhaps lemmings. Over the cliff into the sea of unreadability.

Isn't that just around the peninsula from the Sea Of Troubles of which
Hamlet spoke?


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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

Adrienne Boswell wrote:
> Why is it that IT web sites seem to always use the smallest font
> possible? I went to one today and had to sign up to view an article.
> All the input boxes had tiny text. This was a Windows IT site, so
> probably they think that only IE people are using it, and those poor
> people can't adjust px text sizes. Thank goodness I use Opera.
>
> Rant over. Thanks, I feel better.

I know a lot of people (including myself) that aren't too happy about
the small font sizes that seem so popular on web sites these days.

The way I deal with it is by using Firefox and the View -> Text Size
-> Increase feature. Increasing the font size one or two steps
usually does the job. It usually also causes the web site to render
slightly incorrectly, but I guess you can't have everything!

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Ed Jensen
writing in news:136m3c3do0etge8@corp.supernews.com:

> Adrienne Boswell wrote:
>> Why is it that IT web sites seem to always use the smallest font
>> possible? I went to one today and had to sign up to view an article.
>> All the input boxes had tiny text. This was a Windows IT site, so
>> probably they think that only IE people are using it, and those poor
>> people can't adjust px text sizes. Thank goodness I use Opera.
>>
>> Rant over. Thanks, I feel better.
>
> I know a lot of people (including myself) that aren't too happy about
> the small font sizes that seem so popular on web sites these days.
>
> The way I deal with it is by using Firefox and the View -> Text Size
> -> Increase feature. Increasing the font size one or two steps
> usually does the job. It usually also causes the web site to render
> slightly incorrectly, but I guess you can't have everything!
>

Yup, I use Opera, so it's not an issue for me either. It's just a PITA -
I don't WANT to have to increase the font size - the font size should be
that to which my system is already set. I know what I can read, they
don't.

Rant over - again.... tune in next time, same HTML-Time, same HTML-
Channel.

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

Ed Jensen wrote:

> I know a lot of people (including myself) that aren't too happy about
> the small font sizes that seem so popular on web sites these days.

Web developers get younger and younger...

> The way I deal with it is by using Firefox and the View -> Text Size
> -> Increase feature.

Why not just press Control-Plus? Or Control-Minus to decrease, and
Control-0 (Zero) to return to your default.

> Increasing the font size one or two steps usually does the job. It
> usually also causes the web site to render slightly incorrectly, but
> I guess you can't have everything!

...because those developers don't know how to properly define font size.

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

Adrienne Boswell wrote:
>
> Yup, I use Opera, so it's not an issue for me either. It's just a PITA -
> I don't WANT to have to increase the font size

I thought Opera had a minimum font-size setting. Why not make that
whatever suits you and be done with it?

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

Ed Jensen wrote:

> I know a lot of people (including myself) that aren't too happy about
> the small font sizes that seem so popular on web sites these days.
>
> The way I deal with it is by using Firefox and the View -> Text Size
> -> Increase feature. Increasing the font size one or two steps
> usually does the job. It usually also causes the web site to render
> slightly incorrectly, but I guess you can't have everything!

Y'know you can adjust text size with Ctrl-wheel, too, right?


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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 21:58:48 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
wrote:

>Ed Jensen wrote:
>
>> I know a lot of people (including myself) that aren't too happy about
>> the small font sizes that seem so popular on web sites these days.
>
>Web developers get younger and younger...
>
>> The way I deal with it is by using Firefox and the View -> Text Size
>> -> Increase feature.
>
>Why not just press Control-Plus? Or Control-Minus to decrease, and
>Control-0 (Zero) to return to your default.

Or the back button! That's the one I usually pick. If that means I
don't read your web page, well it's not my problem is it?

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:42:05 GMT rf scribed:

>> Rant over. Thanks, I feel better.
>
> Know what you mean :-)
>
>
> Same goes for sites that take forever to load. On cable here and if
> something takes more than a couple or three seconds (let us allow that
> the server may be temporarily overloaded) I look at my network icon.
> If it remains flashing (that is, it's indicating I'm downloading stuff
> at up to 500KB/s) for another two seconds I instantly hit the back
> button and choose the next search result.
>

Not only are you a fussbudget but you complain about somebody else's rant
and then make one yourself. 'Bet you can't ski, either...

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> The way I deal with it is by using Firefox and the View -> Text Size
>> -> Increase feature.
>
> Why not just press Control-Plus? Or Control-Minus to decrease, and
> Control-0 (Zero) to return to your default.

I do use the keyboard shortcuts, I only mentioned the menu for extra
clarity.

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

"Neredbojias" wrote in message
news:Xns994AF01181B91nanopandaneredbojias@208.49.80.251...
> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:42:05 GMT rf scribed:
>
>>> Rant over. Thanks, I feel better.
>>
>> Know what you mean :-)
>>
>>


> Not only are you a fussbudget

What is a fussbudget? Never heard the term before.

> but you complain about somebody else's rant

Did I complain? I don't think so. I thought I provided a solution to the
rant, and followed on with a further rant of my own, one that I feel quite
strongly about. If you saw it differently then so be it. Your problem.

> 'Bet you can't ski, either...

I don't see what the relevance of this is but yes, I can ski. In fact I hold
a ski instructors certificate. Would you like a couple of lessons? :-)

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

rf wrote:

> "Neredbojias" wrote:
>> Not only are you a fussbudget
>
> What is a fussbudget? Never heard the term before.

It's an Americanism.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fussbudget&x=0&y=0
"a fussy or needlessly fault-finding person"

>> 'Bet you can't ski, either...
>
> I don't see what the relevance of this is but yes, I can ski. In fact
> I hold a ski instructors certificate. Would you like a couple of
> lessons? :-)

I was waiting to see how you would respond to that... ;-)

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-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

In article ,
"rf" wrote:

> "Neredbojias" wrote
> > 'Bet you can't ski, either...
>
> I don't see what the relevance of this is but yes, I can ski. In fact I hold
> a ski instructors certificate. Would you like a couple of lessons? :-)

Take that Boji! You might now think hard before making
patronising references to this country in the future because you
should now know that I will remind you that Richard can ski and
then you will want to pull your head in.

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:25:46 GMT rf scribed:

>> Not only are you a fussbudget
>
> What is a fussbudget? Never heard the term before.

A fussbudget is a person who whines and complains so much that she or he
has to budget his talking time in order to avoid asphyxiating herself.

>> but you complain about somebody else's rant
>
> Did I complain? I don't think so. I thought I provided a solution to
> the rant, and followed on with a further rant of my own, one that I
> feel quite strongly about. If you saw it differently then so be it.
> Your problem.

Well, I don't want to be argumentative, and I certainly don't have a
problem with your problem, hypothetical or otherwise. It just seemed to me
that you were mewling a bit over a trite subject whose point has been much
belabored in this forum. However, I may possess some hypersensitivity,
myself, in that regard from the incessant puling and bellyaching I've
repeatedly perused about the same old topics over and over and over again.
Call me jaded if you must but don't call me late for dinner. I meant no
real offense, -was just trying to stir up some new variety of goulash, I
guess. No hard feelings.

>> 'Bet you can't ski, either...
>
> I don't see what the relevance of this is but yes, I can ski. In fact
> I hold a ski instructors certificate. Would you like a couple of
> lessons? :-)
>

I just said that 'cause you mentioned a trip to Canada in the past. And I
sorta wish I could ski, but I just can't stand cold weather. Might be an
especially strong hereditary aversion from the Ice Age.

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:13:38 GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article ,
> "rf" wrote:
>
>> "Neredbojias" wrote
>> > 'Bet you can't ski, either...
>>
>> I don't see what the relevance of this is but yes, I can ski. In fact
>> I hold a ski instructors certificate. Would you like a couple of
>> lessons? :-)
>
> Take that Boji! You might now think hard before making
> patronising references to this country in the future because you
> should now know that I will remind you that Richard can ski and
> then you will want to pull your head in.

What do you think I am, -a turtle? And when have I ever made patronising
references to whatever country it is that you are talking about? If you
mean Australia and are alluding to my comments on its upside-downness, that
is a relative thing which by no means denigrates the inhabitants of the
land. To Australians, it is United Statesmen who are upside-down (although
since there are more of us, we naturally establish the reference.) Just
don't poop on yourself in your zeal to be uppidy.

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

Travis Newbury wrote:
> On Jun 7, 3:09 pm, Animesh K wrote:
>>> Why is it that IT web sites seem to always use the smallest font
>>> possible?
>> I use 1 em (12pt or 16pt?) font size on my webpages. Hardly needs
>> re-scaling.
>
> So you just piss off a smaller number of people...
>
>

If I use EM fonts, they can be scaled by the users. I cannot really make
2 em fonts for translations of archaic indological documents. Most
people will dislike the site then.

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

In article
,
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:

> Ed Jensen wrote:
>
> > I know a lot of people (including myself) that aren't too happy about
> > the small font sizes that seem so popular on web sites these days.
>
> Web developers get younger and younger...
>
> > The way I deal with it is by using Firefox and the View -> Text Size
> > -> Increase feature.
>
> Why not just press Control-Plus? Or Control-Minus to decrease, and
> Control-0 (Zero) to return to your default.
>
> > Increasing the font size one or two steps usually does the job. It
> > usually also causes the web site to render slightly incorrectly, but
> > I guess you can't have everything!
>
> ..because those developers don't know how to properly define font size.

I was looking at http://alistapart.com/articles/keepingcurrent/
the other day and became gloomy thinking that there really is no
hope on this font-size battle. It is lost. Here is a serious
article on a respected website consciously using small fonts for
main body text. The deliberateness is announced in no uncertain
terms. First:

* {margin: 0; padding: 0;}

now that is pretty serious stuff.

Next the plan becomes quite clear:

body {font: 0.8125em Verdana, sans-serif; line-height: 1; color:
#333; background: #FFF;}

I am getting so tired of upping text on so much. But if I up it
in prefs, I will be downing it for all the websites which are
made by authors who refuse to be drawn into this arms race.

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

dorayme wrote:
>
> I was looking at http://alistapart.com/articles/keepingcurrent/
> the other day and became gloomy thinking that there really is no
> hope on this font-size battle. It is lost. Here is a serious
> article on a respected website consciously using small fonts for
> main body text. The deliberateness is announced in no uncertain
> terms. First:
>
> * {margin: 0; padding: 0;}
>
> now that is pretty serious stuff.

???

I use that rule all the time. Gets rid of visual disparities between
browsers. Then I put padding and margins back in as required.

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

In article ,
"Nik Coughlin" wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
> >
> > I was looking at http://alistapart.com/articles/keepingcurrent/
> > the other day and became gloomy thinking that there really is no
> > hope on this font-size battle. It is lost. Here is a serious
> > article on a respected website consciously using small fonts for
> > main body text. The deliberateness is announced in no uncertain
> > terms. First:
> >
> > * {margin: 0; padding: 0;}
> >
> > now that is pretty serious stuff.
>
> ???
>
> I use that rule all the time. Gets rid of visual disparities between
> browsers. Then I put padding and margins back in as required.

Yes, I know. Take my remark as a compliment to you! In what
immediately followed:

> Next the plan becomes quite clear:
>
> body {font: 0.8125em Verdana, sans-serif; line-height: 1; color:
> #333; background: #FFF;}


I meant simply that it was a very deliberate style sheet by
someone who shows competence and purpose. Newbies tend not to
clear the decks with "*".

Yet ... then see my obvious point about the choice of staarting
font-size.

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

On 2007-06-25, dorayme wrote:
> In article
>,
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>
>> Ed Jensen wrote:
>>
>> > I know a lot of people (including myself) that aren't too happy about
>> > the small font sizes that seem so popular on web sites these days.
>>
>> Web developers get younger and younger...
>>
>> > The way I deal with it is by using Firefox and the View -> Text Size
>> > -> Increase feature.
>>
>> Why not just press Control-Plus? Or Control-Minus to decrease, and
>> Control-0 (Zero) to return to your default.

Why should I have to? Doing it properly is no more work than
messing it up.

>> > Increasing the font size one or two steps usually does the job. It
>> > usually also causes the web site to render slightly incorrectly, but
>> > I guess you can't have everything!
>>
>> ..because those developers don't know how to properly define font size.
>
> I was looking at http://alistapart.com/articles/keepingcurrent/
> the other day and became gloomy thinking that there really is no
> hope on this font-size battle. It is lost. Here is a serious
> article on a respected website consciously using small fonts for
> main body text. The deliberateness is announced in no uncertain
> terms. First:
>
> * {margin: 0; padding: 0;}
>
> now that is pretty serious stuff.

It's a start. My style sheets (created by an emacs macro when I
start a new HTML page) begin with:

* {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
border: 0;
}

> Next the plan becomes quite clear:
>
> body {font: 0.8125em Verdana, sans-serif; line-height: 1; color:
> #333; background: #FFF;}

The site, alistapart.com/, is one of many that say the right
things, but don't follow their own advice.

> I am getting so tired of upping text on so much. But if I up it
> in prefs, I will be downing it for all the websites which are
> made by authors who refuse to be drawn into this arms race.

Set a minumum font size, then you don't need to keep changing it.

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

In article ,
"Chris F.A. Johnson" wrote:

> On 2007-06-25, dorayme wrote:

> > I am getting so tired of upping text on so much. But if I up it
> > in prefs, I will be downing it for all the websites which are
> > made by authors who refuse to be drawn into this arms race.
>
> Set a minumum font size, then you don't need to keep changing it.

I use browsers for website testing and want them to be as
"normal" as possible. In other words, there would be other things
to whinge about...

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

On Jun 24, 9:57 pm, dorayme wrote:
> I am getting so tired of upping text on so much. But if I up it
> in prefs, I will be downing it for all the websites which are
> made by authors who refuse to be drawn into this arms race.

Man life blows sometimes...

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

In article
<1182764791.765772.315880@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Travis Newbury wrote:

> On Jun 24, 9:57 pm, dorayme wrote:
> > I am getting so tired of upping text on so much. But if I up it
> > in prefs, I will be downing it for all the websites which are
> > made by authors who refuse to be drawn into this arms race.
>
> Man life blows sometimes...

You are truly all heart Travis and this now brings a little tear
to my eye...

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

"Chris F.A. Johnson" wrote in message
news:u064l4-vi6.ln1@206-248-139-163.dsl.teksavvy.com...
> On 2007-06-25, dorayme wrote:

>> I am getting so tired of upping text on so much. But if I up it
>> in prefs, I will be downing it for all the websites which are
>> made by authors who refuse to be drawn into this arms race.
>
> Set a minumum font size, then you don't need to keep changing it.

Point of order.

The browsers, well most of the modern ones anyway, allow us to set a minimum
font size.

None of them AFAIK allow us to set a *maximum* font size.

Think about this very slowly and carefully, keeping in mind the "sheep"
syndrome exhibited by the majority of web "authors" out there, as well as
their idiocy regarding proper GUI design:

What prompted the browser manufactures to provide us with an option to set
[only] the minimum font size?

--
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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

On Jun 25, 5:55 am, dorayme wrote:
> > > I am getting so tired of upping text on so much. But if I up it
> > > in prefs, I will be downing it for all the websites which are
> > > made by authors who refuse to be drawn into this arms race.
> > Man life blows sometimes...
> You are truly all heart Travis and this now brings a little tear
> to my eye...

It is good to see humor (albeit bad humor) is still appreciated...

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

dorayme wrote:
> In article ,
> "Chris F.A. Johnson" wrote:
>>
>> Set a minumum font size, then you don't need to keep changing it.
>
> I use browsers for website testing and want them to be as
> "normal" as possible.

Unless you spend all your time testing web sites, you're only hurting
yourself this way. Set a minimum in your main browser, for normal
browsing. On those occasions where you actually need to see something in
its unaltered state, temporarily remove the minimum.

Leave other browsers at their default settings if you want, but do
change your main browser. Your everyday browsing will be *vastly*
improved for it.

> In other words, there would be other things to whinge about...

Rest assured there will be plenty.

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Re: Rant - Small font sizes

In article
<1182766803.446825.292810@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Travis Newbury wrote:

> On Jun 25, 5:55 am, dorayme wrote:
> > > > I am getting so tired of upping text on so much. But if I up it
> > > > in prefs, I will be downing it for all the websites which are
> > > > made by authors who refuse to be drawn into this arms race.
> > > Man life blows sometimes...
> > You are truly all heart Travis and this now brings a little tear
> > to my eye...
>
> It is good to see humor (albeit bad humor) is still appreciated...

I will try harder to be funnier and then you will appreciate and
laugh at the same time.

--
dorayme

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

In article <5ea4enF34fkiuU1@mid.individual.net>,
Bergamot wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
> > In article ,
> > "Chris F.A. Johnson" wrote:
> >>
> >> Set a minumum font size, then you don't need to keep changing it.
> >
> > I use browsers for website testing and want them to be as
> > "normal" as possible.
>
> Unless you spend all your time testing web sites, you're only hurting
> yourself this way. Set a minimum in your main browser, for normal
> browsing. On those occasions where you actually need to see something in
> its unaltered state, temporarily remove the minimum.

Lately I have been rather working and testing and seem to have
little time for more "normal" browsing. I use as a first browser
for anything, on a Mac one can dive into prefs and do this. I
don't like the idea of the steps involved because I rather do a
lot of switching between reading stuff and examining websites.
But I will try it out on that and see what it is like. There may
even be other ways to switch at a click or key command. On FF I
notice, it is a direct menu item on the web developer bar. There
are likely Safari facilities too.

I think, the truth is lately I want to now what the author
(including me) has done re font sizes! So I am prepared to suffer
for the cause to some extent. I am a loyal soldier of this army.

--
dorayme

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

In article
,
dorayme wrote:

> I use as a first browser

I use Safari as a ...

(Have not had a coffee yet...)

--
dorayme

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:46:31 GMT Travis Newbury scribed:

> On Jun 24, 9:57 pm, dorayme wrote:
>> I am getting so tired of upping text on so much. But if I up it
>> in prefs, I will be downing it for all the websites which are
>> made by authors who refuse to be drawn into this arms race.
>
> Man life blows sometimes...

Especially if you're a whale...

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:11:57 GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article
> <1182766803.446825.292810@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> Travis Newbury wrote:
>
>> On Jun 25, 5:55 am, dorayme wrote:
>> > > > I am getting so tired of upping text on so much. But if I up it
>> > > > in prefs, I will be downing it for all the websites which are
>> > > > made by authors who refuse to be drawn into this arms race.
>> > > Man life blows sometimes...
>> > You are truly all heart Travis and this now brings a little tear
>> > to my eye...
>>
>> It is good to see humor (albeit bad humor) is still appreciated...
>
> I will try harder to be funnier and then you will appreciate and
> laugh at the same time.

Ahh, you don't have to try harder. Trust me.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

On Jun 25, 6:11 pm, dorayme wrote:
> In article
> <1182766803.446825.292...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> Travis Newbury wrote:
>
> > On Jun 25, 5:55 am, dorayme wrote:
> > > > > I am getting so tired of upping text on so much. But if I up it
> > > > > in prefs, I will be downing it for all the websites which are
> > > > > made by authors who refuse to be drawn into this arms race.
> > > > Man life blows sometimes...
> > > You are truly all heart Travis and this now brings a little tear
> > > to my eye...
>
> > It is good to see humor (albeit bad humor) is still appreciated...
>
> I will try harder to be funnier and then you will appreciate and
> laugh at the same time.
>
> --
> dorayme

I wasn't talking about your humor...

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

In article
<1182851717.376069.235870@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Travis Newbury wrote:

> On Jun 25, 6:11 pm, dorayme wrote:

> > > > You are truly all heart Travis and this now brings a little tear
> > > > to my eye...
> >
> > > It is good to see humor (albeit bad humor) is still appreciated...
> >
> > I will try harder to be funnier and then you will appreciate and
> > laugh at the same time.

> I wasn't talking about your humor...

I will try harder not to talk about what you are not meaning
then... Honest, I will. Test me by not saying something in
particular and I will see if I can resist commenting on it.

--
dorayme

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

On Jun 26, 6:07 am, dorayme wrote:
> I will try harder not to talk about what you are not meaning
> then... Honest, I will. Test me by not saying something in
> particular and I will see if I can resist commenting on it.

This is not a comment about not meaning what I would mean if I were
only trying to mean the opposite of the the things we were talking
about in bizzaro-world.

Or not.

Re: Rant - Small font sizes

In article
<1182860444.499043.192570@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Travis Newbury wrote:

> On Jun 26, 6:07 am, dorayme wrote:
> > I will try harder not to talk about what you are not meaning
> > then... Honest, I will. Test me by not saying something in
> > particular and I will see if I can resist commenting on it.
>
> This is not a comment about not meaning what I would mean if I were
> only trying to mean the opposite of the the things we were talking
> about in bizzaro-world.
>
> Or not.

I can't resist. It really is as simple as that.

--
dorayme