i'm fairly new to html so forgive me if this is a silly question
i can't work out the difference between
and
both seem to work ok for me
in what cirumstances should each be used?
also to make paragraphs i've been using
to make a gap between text
buut now i've found
than
or doesn't it matter?
thanks
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On 2007-06-10, David than for paragraphs, there's more flexibility when it comes to styling
> i'm fairly new to html so forgive me if this is a silly question
>
> i can't work out the difference between
and
> both seem to work ok for me
> in what cirumstances should each be used?
They mean the same.
is XHTML,
is HTML. Most browsers will
tolerate
even in HTML, but that doesn't make it right, so use
if you're using HTML.
Opinion of the gurus on alt.html etc. is that HTML is preferred over
XHTML.
> also to make paragraphs i've been using
to make a gap between text
> buut now i've found
> is it more proper to use
or doesn't it matter?
Use
to break lines. What's the difference
between starting a new paragraph and putting in a line break? You
decide. If you use
the paragraphs with CSS.
In XHTML you have to close paragraphs with
"Ben C"
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> On 2007-06-10, David
>> i'm fairly new to html so forgive me if this is a silly question
> They mean the same.
is XHTML,
is HTML. Most browsers will
> tolerate
even in HTML, but that doesn't make it right, so use
>
if you're using HTML.
Not sure but I think the space is required if using it in HTML.
There may be issues with line spacing wrt to using paragraph tags versus
line returns.
M
On 2007-06-10, M
> "Ben C"
> news:slrnf6oom3.s94.spamspam@bowser.marioworld...
>> On 2007-06-10, David
>>> i'm fairly new to html so forgive me if this is a silly question
>
>> They mean the same.
is XHTML,
is HTML. Most browsers will
>> tolerate
even in HTML, but that doesn't make it right, so use
>>
if you're using HTML.
>
> Not sure but I think the space is required if using it in HTML.
Do you mean
as opposed to
? You may be right, but either is
wrong really in HTML.
> There may be issues with line spacing wrt to using paragraph tags versus
> line returns.
Assuming you mean
by line return, yes the spacing is different.
starts a new line wherever a new line should start, which is given
by the height of the previous line. But paragraphs are new block boxes
and usually have some top and bottom margin set on them by the default
stylesheet.
David wrote:
> i'm fairly new to html so forgive me if this is a silly question
>
> i can't work out the difference between
and
> both seem to work ok for me
> in what cirumstances should each be used?
>
> also to make paragraphs i've been using
to make a gap between
> text buut now i've found
is it more proper to use
than
>
or doesn't it matter?
And now to answer the real question: use
... text ...
for your
Listen my children and you shall hear
of the midnight ride of Paul Revere.
He got in his car, stepped on the gas
the seat fell out, and he skinned his knee.
On 2007-06-11, Beauregard T. Shagnasty
[....]
> Do not use any flavor of
for line breaks, except
> perhaps in poetry.
>
>
> Listen my children and you shall hear
> of the midnight ride of Paul Revere.
> He got in his car, stepped on the gas
> the seat fell out, and he skinned his knee.
>
Mind you I wrestled with poetry issues when I was publishing my
father's family history site and I settled on a styled pre element,
rather than multiple
. An
example can be seen half way down this page('Why are the waves rolling
...'):
http://www.strong-family.org/foster/chapter_5.html
Perfect for poetry with shorter lines, with longer lines you would
have to style the overflow.
Andrew
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In article
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> Do not use any flavor of
for line breaks, except
> perhaps in poetry.
Is this not too severe? For example, on some occasions with
pictures, there is nothing wrong with using
to make a
comment or caption appear underneath the picture.
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dorayme wrote:
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
>> Do not use any flavor of
for line breaks, except
>> perhaps in poetry.
>
> Is this not too severe? For example, on some occasions with
> pictures, there is nothing wrong with using
to make a
> comment or caption appear underneath the picture.
There are exceptions to every rule.
--
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-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
andrew wrote: , and I didn't want to confuse him further
> On 2007-06-11, Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> [....]
>> Do not use any flavor of
for line breaks, except
>> perhaps in poetry. [and addresses]
>
> Mind you I wrestled with poetry issues when I was publishing my
> father's family history site and I settled on a styled pre element,
> rather than multiple
. An example can be seen half way down this
> page('Why are the waves rolling ..'):
That will work as well. I didn't mention it because the OP was
struggling with the use of
at this early stage.
--
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-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> dorayme wrote:
>
>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
>>> Do not use any flavor of
for line breaks, except
>>> perhaps in poetry.
>>
>> Is this not too severe? For example, on some occasions with
>> pictures, there is nothing wrong with using
to make a
>> comment or caption appear underneath the picture.
>
> There are exceptions to every rule.
The exception to that rule is that some rules have no exceptions. :)
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dorayme wrote:
> In article
>
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
>
>> Do not use any flavor of
for line breaks, except
>> perhaps in poetry.
>
> Is this not too severe? For example, on some occasions with
> pictures, there is nothing wrong with using
to make a
> comment or caption appear underneath the picture.
>
I would rather set the image to display as block and keep my options open.
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In article
<9g2bi.73743$Sa4.24429@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> dorayme wrote:
>
> > "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> >> Do not use any flavor of
for line breaks, except
> >> perhaps in poetry.
> >
> > Is this not too severe? For example, on some occasions with
> > pictures, there is nothing wrong with using
to make a
> > comment or caption appear underneath the picture.
>
> There are exceptions to every rule.
Oy! That's my line...
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In article <749d$466cbaa9$40cba7c0$13428@NAXS.COM>,
"Jonathan N. Little"
> dorayme wrote:
> > In article
> >
> > "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> >
> >> Do not use any flavor of
for line breaks, except
> >> perhaps in poetry.
> >
> > Is this not too severe? For example, on some occasions with
> > pictures, there is nothing wrong with using
to make a
> > comment or caption appear underneath the picture.
> >
>
> I would rather set the image to display as block and keep my options open.
Sometimes in life, Jonathan, you have to make a decision. You
cannot keep thinking of the future like this. You will get an
ulcer. Sometimes you just have to seize the moment and close off
all options and not worry. Forever leaving things open is too
post-modernist for all tastes.
--
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In article
Blinky the Shark
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> > dorayme wrote:
> >
> >> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> >>> Do not use any flavor of
for line breaks, except
> >>> perhaps in poetry.
> >>
> >> Is this not too severe? For example, on some occasions with
> >> pictures, there is nothing wrong with using
to make a
> >> comment or caption appear underneath the picture.
> >
> > There are exceptions to every rule.
>
> The exception to that rule is that some rules have no exceptions. :)
Actually, this is quite an interesting idea, as in paradoxical
(as in it makes the head hurt thinking about it).
But before getting into this, perhaps it can just be side stepped
because "There are exceptions to every rule" is not a rule but a
claim. Either true or false. I suspect it is false. But that a
closely related claim, in the spirit of it, is true, namely that
most rules we use have at least a few reasonable exceptions.
--
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On 2007-06-11, dorayme
> In article
> Blinky the Shark
>
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> > dorayme wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
>> >>> Do not use any flavor of
for line breaks, except
>> >>> perhaps in poetry.
>> >>
>> >> Is this not too severe? For example, on some occasions with
>> >> pictures, there is nothing wrong with using
to make a
>> >> comment or caption appear underneath the picture.
>> >
>> > There are exceptions to every rule.
>>
>> The exception to that rule is that some rules have no exceptions. :)
>
> Actually, this is quite an interesting idea, as in paradoxical
> (as in it makes the head hurt thinking about it).
It's a good one. I think it's called a Goedel sentence.
Ben C wrote:
> On 2007-06-11, dorayme
>> In article
>> Blinky the Shark
>>
>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> > dorayme wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
>>> >>> Do not use any flavor of
for line breaks, except
>>> >>> perhaps in poetry.
>>> >>
>>> >> Is this not too severe? For example, on some occasions with
>>> >> pictures, there is nothing wrong with using
to make a
>>> >> comment or caption appear underneath the picture.
>>> >
>>> > There are exceptions to every rule.
>>>
>>> The exception to that rule is that some rules have no exceptions. :)
>>
>> Actually, this is quite an interesting idea, as in paradoxical
>> (as in it makes the head hurt thinking about it).
>
> It's a good one. I think it's called a Goedel sentence.
Anyone in here ever read Doug Hofstadter's "Gödel, Escher, Bach: An
Eternal Golden Braid"? It's what got me into computers/computing as a
hobby, way back. And what actually got me thinking, again, after I'd
been out of college for a while. More than when I'd been *in* college,
come to think of it.
http://tal.forum2.org/geb
http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/lockers/users/f/felder/public/ken ny/papers/godel.html
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Thanks Ben and everyone else for your explanations. than for paragraphs, there's more flexibility when it comes to styling
David
"Ben C"
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> On 2007-06-10, David
>> i'm fairly new to html so forgive me if this is a silly question
>>
>> i can't work out the difference between
and
>> both seem to work ok for me
>> in what cirumstances should each be used?
>
> They mean the same.
is XHTML,
is HTML. Most browsers will
> tolerate
even in HTML, but that doesn't make it right, so use
>
if you're using HTML.
>
> Opinion of the gurus on alt.html etc. is that HTML is preferred over
> XHTML.
>
>> also to make paragraphs i've been using
to make a gap between text
>> buut now i've found
>> is it more proper to use
or doesn't it matter?
>
> Use
to break lines. What's the difference
> between starting a new paragraph and putting in a line break? You
> decide. If you use
> the paragraphs with CSS.
>
> In XHTML you have to close paragraphs with
dorayme wrote:
> Sometimes in life, Jonathan, you have to make a decision. You
> cannot keep thinking of the future like this. You will get an
> ulcer. Sometimes you just have to seize the moment and close off
> all options and not worry. Forever leaving things open is too
> post-modernist for all tastes.
>
Ah, nope! I'm the kinda guy that is always looking forward! It's those
10-years-older Denise Hoppers that live in the "now"
--
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Jonathan
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On 2007-06-11, Blinky the Shark
> Ben C wrote:
>> On 2007-06-11, dorayme
>>> In article
>>> Blinky the Shark
>>>
>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
[...]
>>>> > There are exceptions to every rule.
>>>>
>>>> The exception to that rule is that some rules have no exceptions. :)
>>>
>>> Actually, this is quite an interesting idea, as in paradoxical
>>> (as in it makes the head hurt thinking about it).
>>
>> It's a good one. I think it's called a Goedel sentence.
>
> Anyone in here ever read Doug Hofstadter's "Gödel, Escher, Bach: An
> Eternal Golden Braid"? It's what got me into computers/computing as a
> hobby, way back. And what actually got me thinking, again, after I'd
> been out of college for a while. More than when I'd been *in* college,
> come to think of it.
No but it sounds interesting. Thanks for the links, that Gary Felder
site is very good.
> http://tal.forum2.org/geb
>
> http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/lockers/users/f/felder/public/ken ny/papers/godel.html
>
In article
"Jonathan N. Little"
> dorayme wrote:
>
> > Sometimes in life, Jonathan, you have to make a decision. You
> > cannot keep thinking of the future like this. You will get an
> > ulcer. Sometimes you just have to seize the moment and close off
> > all options and not worry. Forever leaving things open is too
> > post-modernist for all tastes.
> >
>
> Ah, nope! I'm the kinda guy that is always looking forward! It's those
> 10-years-older Denise Hoppers that live in the "now"
The future as with many other things I guess: those of us who
have less of something, value it more.
--
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Ben C wrote:
> On 2007-06-11, Blinky the Shark
>> Ben C wrote:
>>> On 2007-06-11, dorayme
>>>> In article
>>>> Blinky the Shark
>>>>
>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> [...]
>>>>> > There are exceptions to every rule.
>>>>>
>>>>> The exception to that rule is that some rules have no exceptions. :)
>>>>
>>>> Actually, this is quite an interesting idea, as in paradoxical
>>>> (as in it makes the head hurt thinking about it).
>>>
>>> It's a good one. I think it's called a Goedel sentence.
>>
>> Anyone in here ever read Doug Hofstadter's "G?del, Escher, Bach: An
>> Eternal Golden Braid"? It's what got me into computers/computing as a
>> hobby, way back. And what actually got me thinking, again, after I'd
>> been out of college for a while. More than when I'd been *in* college,
>> come to think of it.
>
> No but it sounds interesting. Thanks for the links, that Gary Felder
> site is very good.
I hope you find time to check it out. It's an amazing read. It led me
to two other of Hofstadter's books, one, IIRC, perhaps co-authored by
Roger Penrose. Or perhaps Hofstadter just drew on Penrose a lot and
that led me to him.
>> http://tal.forum2.org/geb
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In article
Blinky the Shark
> Ben C wrote:
> > On 2007-06-11, Blinky the Shark
> >> Ben C wrote:
> >>> On 2007-06-11, dorayme
> >>>> In article
> >>>> Blinky the Shark
> >>>>
> >>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> > [...]
> >>>>> > There are exceptions to every rule.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The exception to that rule is that some rules have no exceptions. :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually, this is quite an interesting idea, as in paradoxical
> >>>> (as in it makes the head hurt thinking about it).
> >>>
> >>> It's a good one. I think it's called a Goedel sentence.
Well, it may be best to just think the matter through. If you
start looking at Goedel and Penrose, you will get way confused
(Goedal is good but Penrose gets out of his depth as he moves
from his special field).
'Don't tell a lie' is a rule. It is generally considered a good
one but it is also recognised there are acceptable exceptions. As
with all rules, was BTS's point. BtheS's intervention is less
clear though interesting, he claims some rules have no
exceptions? But what does this really mean? What would be an
example? A rule like 'Don't tell a lie' might be considered by
some to be so good a rule that it is never to be gainsaid by any
consideration whatsoever. So any bloke who thought this could put
up this as an example. But so what? That is just some bloke
playing taliban (women are by nature more practical and
compassionate and context sensitive).
Let's suppose BtheS is correct in thinking that there are
exceptions to every rule. Never mind any examples. That just
simply makes what BTS said false. Maybe _nearly_ every rule has
exceptions, maybe just a _very few_ are exceptionless. Maybe both
BTS and BtheS have points.
But all this will get nowhere until the goodness of a rule is
understood to be the truth of some clear statement or set of
statements. Perhaps, you see, it is not really rules that are the
puzzle in all of this, but rather something else, something that
admits of truth and falsity (unlike a rule).
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