persistent flash (music) and new URL on each page

Hi all!

I have a problem that I can't solve... I am beginning to think that solution
even doesn't exist, but - let's hope I'm wrong. :)

The site I'm developing should play the music in the background (if the
visitor turns it on). I am using flash to play the music. The problem is
that as the visitor is changing the pages the flash object gets
demolished - which means the music stops. I have created a solution that
restarts the music on the next page on the same place it stopped, but the
music goes quiet for a split second on every page change, which is a bit
annoying.

I have considered using frames or AJAX for the main content (to make sure
flash stays there), but - the pages must be search engine friendly,
besides, I hate pages where URLs don't change. And currently there seems to
be no way to let the browser know that the page in the frame also has its
own URL.

The only other solution is using a popup, but that poses its own problems -
popups are commonly blocked and a lot of users don't know about information
bar and what it tris to tell them.

Is there some solution I haven't thought of? Can flash be made persistent
without popups or frames/AJAX?

I would be grateful for some ideas, clues, tips,... Even "it can't be done"
would be appreciated.

Thanks and happy coding!

Anze

Re: persistent flash (music) and new URL on each page

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:33:57 GMT Anze scribed:

> Hi all!
>
> I have a problem that I can't solve... I am beginning to think that
> solution even doesn't exist, but - let's hope I'm wrong. :)
>
> The site I'm developing should play the music in the background (if
> the visitor turns it on). I am using flash to play the music. The
> problem is that as the visitor is changing the pages the flash object
> gets demolished - which means the music stops. I have created a
> solution that restarts the music on the next page on the same place it
> stopped, but the music goes quiet for a split second on every page
> change, which is a bit annoying.
>
> I have considered using frames or AJAX for the main content (to make
> sure flash stays there), but - the pages must be search engine
> friendly, besides, I hate pages where URLs don't change. And currently
> there seems to be no way to let the browser know that the page in the
> frame also has its own URL.
>
> The only other solution is using a popup, but that poses its own
> problems - popups are commonly blocked and a lot of users don't know
> about information bar and what it tris to tell them.
>
> Is there some solution I haven't thought of? Can flash be made
> persistent without popups or frames/AJAX?
>
> I would be grateful for some ideas, clues, tips,... Even "it can't be
> done" would be appreciated.

Uh, what if you leave the page and never come back? How does the music
stop? Furthermore, non-user-initiated background music is a horseshit
idea.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: persistent flash (music) and new URL on each page

In article ,
Neredbojias wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:33:57 GMT Anze scribed:
>
> > The site I'm developing should play the music in the background (if
> > the visitor turns it on).

> Furthermore, non-user-initiated background music is a horseshit
> idea.

Just look at these two statements next to each other in black and
white and see what you think Mr. Logic.

--
dorayme

Re: persistent flash (music) and new URL on each page

Neredbojias wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:33:57 GMT Anze scribed:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I have a problem that I can't solve... I am beginning to think that
>> solution even doesn't exist, but - let's hope I'm wrong. :)
>>
>> The site I'm developing should play the music in the background (if
>> the visitor turns it on). I am using flash to play the music. The
>> problem is that as the visitor is changing the pages the flash object
>> gets demolished - which means the music stops. I have created a
>> solution that restarts the music on the next page on the same place it
>> stopped, but the music goes quiet for a split second on every page
>> change, which is a bit annoying.
>>
>> I have considered using frames or AJAX for the main content (to make
>> sure flash stays there), but - the pages must be search engine
>> friendly, besides, I hate pages where URLs don't change. And currently
>> there seems to be no way to let the browser know that the page in the
>> frame also has its own URL.
>>
>> The only other solution is using a popup, but that poses its own
>> problems - popups are commonly blocked and a lot of users don't know
>> about information bar and what it tris to tell them.
>>
>> Is there some solution I haven't thought of? Can flash be made
>> persistent without popups or frames/AJAX?
>>
>> I would be grateful for some ideas, clues, tips,... Even "it can't be
>> done" would be appreciated.
>
> Uh, what if you leave the page and never come back? How does the music
> stop? Furthermore, non-user-initiated background music is a horseshit
> idea.

Well, he did say "if the visitor turns it on" (second paragraph).


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Re: persistent flash (music) and new URL on each page

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:32:25 GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:33:57 GMT Anze scribed:
>>
>> > The site I'm developing should play the music in the background (if
>> > the visitor turns it on).
>
>> Furthermore, non-user-initiated background music is a horseshit
>> idea.
>
> Just look at these two statements next to each other in black and
> white and see what you think Mr. Logic.

I swear to you on a stack of bibles that I didn't see this until now and
posted my reply to the other thread in, uh, ignorance (sorta). As I said
there, anyone can miss something.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: persistent flash (music) and new URL on each page

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 01:42:08 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>> The site I'm developing should play the music in the background (if
>>> the visitor turns it on). I am using flash to play the music. The
>
> Well, he did say "if the visitor turns it on" (second paragraph).

Yep, I know. Must've got some salt water in my eyes...

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: persistent flash (music) and new URL on each page

Neredbojias wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 01:42:08 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>> The site I'm developing should play the music in the background (if
>>>> the visitor turns it on). I am using flash to play the music. The
>>
>> Well, he did say "if the visitor turns it on" (second paragraph).
>
> Yep, I know. Must've got some salt water in my eyes...

Well, blink. Do I have to teach you hoo-mans *everything*?


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Re: persistent flash (music) and new URL on each page

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:10:25 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

> Neredbojias wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 01:42:08 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>
>>>>> The site I'm developing should play the music in the background (if
>>>>> the visitor turns it on). I am using flash to play the music. The
>>>
>>> Well, he did say "if the visitor turns it on" (second paragraph).
>>
>> Yep, I know. Must've got some salt water in my eyes...
>
> Well, blink. Do I have to teach you hoo-mans *everything*?

Should a shark sigh, the resultant bubbles give away his location. Don't
act like a tuna.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: persistent flash (music) and new URL on each page

Neredbojias wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:10:25 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 01:42:08 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>>
>>>>>> The site I'm developing should play the music in the background (if
>>>>>> the visitor turns it on). I am using flash to play the music. The
>>>>
>>>> Well, he did say "if the visitor turns it on" (second paragraph).
>>>
>>> Yep, I know. Must've got some salt water in my eyes...
>>
>> Well, blink. Do I have to teach you hoo-mans *everything*?
>
> Should a shark sigh, the resultant bubbles give away his location. Don't
> act like a tuna.

I *knew* I should've shrugged.


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Re: persistent flash (music) and new URL on each page

No idea then? Well, thanks anyway, I'll take that as "those are your only
options"... :)

Enjoy,

Anze


Anze wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> I have a problem that I can't solve... I am beginning to think that
> solution even doesn't exist, but - let's hope I'm wrong. :)
>
> The site I'm developing should play the music in the background (if the
> visitor turns it on). I am using flash to play the music. The problem is
> that as the visitor is changing the pages the flash object gets
> demolished - which means the music stops. I have created a solution that
> restarts the music on the next page on the same place it stopped, but the
> music goes quiet for a split second on every page change, which is a bit
> annoying.
>
> I have considered using frames or AJAX for the main content (to make sure
> flash stays there), but - the pages must be search engine friendly,
> besides, I hate pages where URLs don't change. And currently there seems
> to be no way to let the browser know that the page in the frame also has
> its own URL.
>
> The only other solution is using a popup, but that poses its own problems
> - popups are commonly blocked and a lot of users don't know about
> information bar and what it tris to tell them.
>
> Is there some solution I haven't thought of? Can flash be made persistent
> without popups or frames/AJAX?
>
> I would be grateful for some ideas, clues, tips,... Even "it can't be
> done" would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks and happy coding!
>
> Anze

Re: persistent flash (music) and new URL on each page

On Jun 18, 2:53 pm, Anze wrote:
> No idea then? Well, thanks anyway, I'll take that as "those are your only
> options"... :)

Actually there is one more option. That is to open a new window that
contains the Flash music player. Move this window way off the screen
so the user can not see it. Then use a Flash local connection to
communicate the visitors preferences to the music player as he moves
from page to page. At the same time, the player should look for a
Flash Shared Object that exists as long as the user is on one of your
pages. As soon as you leave the site, the music player "knows" and
removes itself.

Re: persistent flash (music) and new URL on each page

On 15 Jun, 15:33, Anze wrote:

> The problem is
> that as the visitor is changing the pages the flash object gets
> demolished - which means the music stops.

AFAIK, you're stuck here.

The workaround is to always have the "page with the music" continually
open. You then juggle the content pages within this, without
disturbing the music page. Careful styling means that the user still
only sees one page. It's dead easy to do with frames or iframes (with
their usual drawbacks), there might be a way to do it with popups too
(but I'm inclined to doubt it).

Re: persistent flash (music) and new URL on each page

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
news:1182349329.721678.296810@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com.. .
> On 15 Jun, 15:33, Anze wrote:
>
>> The problem is
>> that as the visitor is changing the pages the flash object gets
>> demolished - which means the music stops.
>
> AFAIK, you're stuck here.
>
> The workaround is to always have the "page with the music" continually
> open. You then juggle the content pages within this, without
> disturbing the music page. Careful styling means that the user still
> only sees one page. It's dead easy to do with frames or iframes (with
> their usual drawbacks), there might be a way to do it with popups too
> (but I'm inclined to doubt it).

You could add flashing text and a marquee too - that'd look great.

+mrcakey