ie issues

I think I finished my comments app but now it doesn't work in ie. I
basically used classes for all the divs because the selectors were not
working out(would work inline but when moved into a class and used selectors
it wouldn't work 1/2 the time(probably selecting wrong element but to much
of a hassle)).

http://www.abstractdissonance.com/PageComments.php

Anyways, I assume it has something to do with ie but maybe I'm missing
something... (maybe take a glance at the css. The div stuff should be ok
cause like I said, it worked fine until I moved all the inline into classes.

Also looking for comments in general to improve it.

Thanks,
Jon

Re: ie issues

"Jon Slaughter" wrote in message
news:Eardi.4777$bP5.3792@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>I think I finished my comments app but now it doesn't work in ie. I
>basically used classes for all the divs because the selectors were not
>working out(would work inline but when moved into a class and used
>selectors it wouldn't work 1/2 the time(probably selecting wrong element
>but to much of a hassle)).
>
> http://www.abstractdissonance.com/PageComments.php
>
> Anyways, I assume it has something to do with ie but maybe I'm missing
> something... (maybe take a glance at the css. The div stuff should be ok
> cause like I said, it worked fine until I moved all the inline into
> classes.
>
> Also looking for comments in general to improve it.
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
>

BTW, I also need to fix the staggering that happens. I have no idea why its
occuring as all my widths are 100%. I widht I could just do something like
right:0px but that doesn't work ;/

thanks,
Jon

Re: ie issues

In article <2krdi.4779$bP5.2420@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
"Jon Slaughter" wrote:

Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
you?

--
dorayme

Re: ie issues

On Jun 18, 4:15 am, "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
> I think I finished my comments app but now it doesn't work in ie.

So what you are telling us is that you are "not" finished...

I think it is an interesting little bit of code to play with the
kinds of things you can do with divs and some css. But I can't see a
company going gaga over it... Take the skills you are learning and
apply it to something for the good of all mankind instead of comments.

Re: ie issues

"Travis Newbury" wrote in message
news:1182160377.218633.215870@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com.. .
> On Jun 18, 4:15 am, "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
>> I think I finished my comments app but now it doesn't work in ie.
>
> So what you are telling us is that you are "not" finished...
>
> I think it is an interesting little bit of code to play with the
> kinds of things you can do with divs and some css. But I can't see a
> company going gaga over it... Take the skills you are learning and
> apply it to something for the good of all mankind instead of comments.
>

lol... riighhht... I'll do what I please.

Re: ie issues

"dorayme" wrote in message
news:doraymeRidThis-6FDDFD.18345118062007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
> In article <2krdi.4779$bP5.2420@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
> "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
>
> Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
> you?
>
> --
> dorayme

Nope.. I just ignore everything you say and a few others who think they are
gods gift to humanity.

Re: ie issues

In article ,
"Jon Slaughter" wrote:

> "dorayme" wrote in message
> news:doraymeRidThis-6FDDFD.18345118062007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
> > In article <2krdi.4779$bP5.2420@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
> > "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
> >
> > Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
> > you?
> >
> > --
> > dorayme
>
> Nope.. I just ignore everything you say and a few others who think they are
> gods gift to humanity.

How come you did not ignore this post of mine then? But did
ignore a solution to your earlier query about second items which
I took the trouble to give you in good faith? Are you as fair in
your life generally as you appear on this ng?

--
dorayme

Re: ie issues

"dorayme" wrote in message
news:doraymeRidThis-4401EC.20145518062007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
> In article ,
> "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
>
>> "dorayme" wrote in message
>> news:doraymeRidThis-6FDDFD.18345118062007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
>> > In article <2krdi.4779$bP5.2420@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
>> > "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
>> >
>> > Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
>> > you?
>> >
>> > --
>> > dorayme
>>
>> Nope.. I just ignore everything you say and a few others who think they
>> are
>> gods gift to humanity.
>
> How come you did not ignore this post of mine then? But did
> ignore a solution to your earlier query about second items which
> I took the trouble to give you in good faith? Are you as fair in
> your life generally as you appear on this ng?
>
> --
> dorayme

man... he's got a point :))))

Re: ie issues

>> "dorayme" wrote in message
>> news:doraymeRidThis-6FDDFD.18345118062007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
>> > In article <2krdi.4779$bP5.2420@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
>> > "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
>> >
>> > Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
>> > you?
>> >
>> > --
>> > dorayme
>>
>> Nope.. I just ignore everything you say and a few others who think they
>> are
>> gods gift to humanity.
>
> How come you did not ignore this post of mine then? But did
> ignore a solution to your earlier query about second items which
> I took the trouble to give you in good faith? Are you as fair in
> your life generally as you appear on this ng?

Can you begin to get a clue now as to how much your continual use of sarcasm
denigrates the value of your advice?

Perhaps you and a few others in this group would benefit from some time with
a psychotherapist to determine the source of these feelings of inadequacy
that necessitate putting someone else down to make yourself feel superior.

You obviously have a good grasp of the subject, so there is no need to
impress us with your ability to tear down someone else. Straight from the
shoulder advice will always be respected, even if it isn't taken. And if it
isn't taken, there is no need for you to feel insulted. After all, you'll
probably not pay any attention to the advice I'm giving you now.

I won't feel insulted if you don't, just disappointed that you have been
unable to temper your knowledge with wisdom.

El

Re: ie issues

On 18 Jun, 09:34, dorayme wrote:
> In article <2krdi.4779$bP5.2...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
> "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
>
> Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
> you?

Didn't you recently take some oath not to flame the chronically
stupid? 8-)

Slaughter is demonstrably Beyond Clue. His code is crap, it very
obviously doesn't work, but he resists any attempt for anyone to
explain why or suggest solutions. a long time ago.

You can lead a horse to water, but that just makes your donkey soggy
http://www.flickr.com/photos/boglin/532093188/

Re: ie issues

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:15:57 GMT Jon Slaughter scribed:

> I think I finished my comments app but now it doesn't work in ie. I
> basically used classes for all the divs because the selectors were not
> working out(would work inline but when moved into a class and used
> selectors it wouldn't work 1/2 the time(probably selecting wrong
> element but to much of a hassle)).
>
> http://www.abstractdissonance.com/PageComments.php
>
> Anyways, I assume it has something to do with ie but maybe I'm missing
> something... (maybe take a glance at the css. The div stuff should be
> ok cause like I said, it worked fine until I moved all the inline into
> classes.

I don't believe ie (at least 6) recognizes attribute selectors. Ergo,
instead of:

#PageComments div[class="PCL1"]

you'd have to do something like:

#PageComments div.PCL1 or just .PCL1.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ie issues

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:14:55 GMT dorayme scribed:

>> > Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
>> > you?
>> >
>> > --
>> > dorayme
>>
>> Nope.. I just ignore everything you say and a few others who think
>> they are gods gift to humanity.
>
> How come you did not ignore this post of mine then? But did
> ignore a solution to your earlier query about second items which
> I took the trouble to give you in good faith? Are you as fair in
> your life generally as you appear on this ng?

Who knows, but by ignoring gross obnoxiocity, one can more closely approach
the karmatic ideal of blissful ignorance.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ie issues

Neredbojias wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:15:57 GMT Jon Slaughter scribed:
>
>> I think I finished my comments app but now it doesn't work in ie. I
>> basically used classes for all the divs because the selectors were not
>> working out(would work inline but when moved into a class and used
>> selectors it wouldn't work 1/2 the time(probably selecting wrong
>> element but to much of a hassle)).
>>
>> http://www.abstractdissonance.com/PageComments.php
>>
>> Anyways, I assume it has something to do with ie but maybe I'm missing
>> something... (maybe take a glance at the css. The div stuff should be
>> ok cause like I said, it worked fine until I moved all the inline into
>> classes.
>
> I don't believe ie (at least 6) recognizes attribute selectors. Ergo,
> instead of:
>
> #PageComments div[class="PCL1"]
>
> you'd have to do something like:
>
> #PageComments div.PCL1 or just .PCL1.
>

Exactly correct! Now if JS would just accept this little tidbit of info
he can stop asking the the same question over and over again. (yes in
different forms, but the same question none the less)

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Re: ie issues

"Neredbojias" wrote in message
news:Xns9953311D93B42nanopandaneredbojias@198.186.190.161...
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:15:57 GMT Jon Slaughter scribed:
>
>> I think I finished my comments app but now it doesn't work in ie. I
>> basically used classes for all the divs because the selectors were not
>> working out(would work inline but when moved into a class and used
>> selectors it wouldn't work 1/2 the time(probably selecting wrong
>> element but to much of a hassle)).
>>
>> http://www.abstractdissonance.com/PageComments.php
>>
>> Anyways, I assume it has something to do with ie but maybe I'm missing
>> something... (maybe take a glance at the css. The div stuff should be
>> ok cause like I said, it worked fine until I moved all the inline into
>> classes.
>
> I don't believe ie (at least 6) recognizes attribute selectors. Ergo,
> instead of:
>
> #PageComments div[class="PCL1"]
>
> you'd have to do something like:
>
> #PageComments div.PCL1 or just .PCL1.
>

Thanks...

Re: ie issues

"Jonathan N. Little" wrote in message
news:78d62$46768f48$40cba7ab$2104@NAXS.COM...
> Neredbojias wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:15:57 GMT Jon Slaughter scribed:
>>
>>> I think I finished my comments app but now it doesn't work in ie. I
>>> basically used classes for all the divs because the selectors were not
>>> working out(would work inline but when moved into a class and used
>>> selectors it wouldn't work 1/2 the time(probably selecting wrong
>>> element but to much of a hassle)).
>>>
>>> http://www.abstractdissonance.com/PageComments.php
>>>
>>> Anyways, I assume it has something to do with ie but maybe I'm missing
>>> something... (maybe take a glance at the css. The div stuff should be
>>> ok cause like I said, it worked fine until I moved all the inline into
>>> classes.
>>
>> I don't believe ie (at least 6) recognizes attribute selectors. Ergo,
>> instead of:
>>
>> #PageComments div[class="PCL1"]
>>
>> you'd have to do something like:
>>
>> #PageComments div.PCL1 or just .PCL1.
>>
>
> Exactly correct! Now if JS would just accept this little tidbit of info he
> can stop asking the the same question over and over again. (yes in
> different forms, but the same question none the less)
>
> --

The great thing about newsgroups is that one has this feature called "ignore
user"... Welcome to it.

Re: ie issues

"dorayme" wrote in message
news:doraymeRidThis-4401EC.20145518062007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
> In article ,
> "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
>
>> "dorayme" wrote in message
>> news:doraymeRidThis-6FDDFD.18345118062007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
>> > In article <2krdi.4779$bP5.2420@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
>> > "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
>> >
>> > Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
>> > you?
>> >
>> > --
>> > dorayme
>>
>> Nope.. I just ignore everything you say and a few others who think they
>> are
>> gods gift to humanity.
>
> How come you did not ignore this post of mine then? But did
> ignore a solution to your earlier query about second items which
> I took the trouble to give you in good faith? Are you as fair in
> your life generally as you appear on this ng?
>

Oh... cause I forgot to put you on my ignore list... but I didn't forget
this time.

Re: ie issues

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
news:1182165884.858202.110790@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com.. .
> On 18 Jun, 09:34, dorayme wrote:
>> In article <2krdi.4779$bP5.2...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
>> "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
>>
>> Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
>> you?
>
> Didn't you recently take some oath not to flame the chronically
> stupid? 8-)
>
> Slaughter is demonstrably Beyond Clue. His code is crap, it very
> obviously doesn't work, but he resists any attempt for anyone to
> explain why or suggest solutions. a long time ago.
>


Yep, beyond clue... but not so beyond it that I cannot add you to my ignore
list. Welcome to it... you'll be in genius company with dorayme and the
others who have inflated ego's.

Re: ie issues

Jon Slaughter wrote:
>
> http://www.abstractdissonance.com/PageComments.php
>
> Also looking for comments in general to improve it.

Why don't you change the colors so it's actually readable?

--
Berg

Re: ie issues

"Bergamot" wrote in message
news:5dobtmF35kms5U1@mid.individual.net...
> Jon Slaughter wrote:
>>
>> http://www.abstractdissonance.com/PageComments.php
>>
>> Also looking for comments in general to improve it.
>
> Why don't you change the colors so it's actually readable?
>

hmmm... I have no problems reading it. Maybe its your eyes?

Re: ie issues

Jon Slaughter wrote:

>
> The great thing about newsgroups is that one has this feature called "ignore
> user"... Welcome to it.
>

I'm supposed to be hurt by this? You've basically kill-filled anyone who
knows anything and everyone who have giving you useful information but
information you seemed to be bend on ignoring...

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Re: ie issues

In article ,
"El Kabong" wrote:

> >> "dorayme" wrote in message
> >> news:doraymeRidThis-6FDDFD.18345118062007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
> >> > In article <2krdi.4779$bP5.2420@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
> >> > "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
> >> > you?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > dorayme
> >>
> >> Nope.. I just ignore everything you say and a few others who think they
> >> are
> >> gods gift to humanity.
> >
> > How come you did not ignore this post of mine then? But did
> > ignore a solution to your earlier query about second items which
> > I took the trouble to give you in good faith? Are you as fair in
> > your life generally as you appear on this ng?
>
> Can you begin to get a clue now as to how much your continual use of sarcasm
> denigrates the value of your advice?
>
> Perhaps you and a few others in this group would benefit from some time with
> a psychotherapist to determine the source of these feelings of inadequacy
> that necessitate putting someone else down to make yourself feel superior.
>
> You obviously have a good grasp of the subject, so there is no need to
> impress us with your ability to tear down someone else. Straight from the
> shoulder advice will always be respected, even if it isn't taken. And if it
> isn't taken, there is no need for you to feel insulted. After all, you'll
> probably not pay any attention to the advice I'm giving you now.
>
> I won't feel insulted if you don't, just disappointed that you have been
> unable to temper your knowledge with wisdom.
>
> El

El Kabong, you slightly misunderstand me. Notice the "slightly"?
You are right and I am going to take your advice as much as I
can. I want to be wiser in your sense.

In the film As Good As It Gets, Jack Nicholson makes a wonderful
speech towards the end when Helen Hunt asks him to say something
nice (previously, he had been wont to display a particularly
childish selfishness). He says, as disarmingly and as charmingly
as any man could say in such a situation, that she has made him
want to be a better man. What goes for Hollywood leading men also
can apply to Martian visitors to Earth - like me.

But what about a teensy weensy bit of sarcasm now and again? How
can I control myself when I see those geeky expressions the OP
likes to indulge in? Do you realise what a tiger that is to
wrestle with? Alright already, I will try ...

--
dorayme

Re: ie issues

In article
<1182165884.858202.110790@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Andy Dingley wrote:

> On 18 Jun, 09:34, dorayme wrote:
> > In article <2krdi.4779$bP5.2...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
> > "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
> >
> > Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
> > you?
>
> Didn't you recently take some oath not to flame the chronically
> stupid? 8-)
>
> Slaughter is demonstrably Beyond Clue. His code is crap, it very
> obviously doesn't work, but he resists any attempt for anyone to
> explain why or suggest solutions. a long time ago.
>
> You can lead a horse to water, but that just makes your donkey soggy
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/boglin/532093188/

Yes, maybe I did at least nod approvingly about the sentiments of
such an oath of this sort. Look, El Kabong does have a bit of a
point. I have been thinking we might get a better deal with a
shrink (they are so expensive these days for individual couching)
if we can arrange a bulk deal with one. Sort of Group Therapy.
You just have to admit that it would be worth the money just to
see JK and some others on chairs in a circle talking about
sarcasm management.

BTW, what I particularly liked in your above link was the pinky
red "Would you like to comment" under the picture of wet donkeys.
I mean, what the hell _could_ anyone say after seeing such a
picture?

--
dorayme

Re: ie issues

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:14:55 GMT dorayme scribed:
>
> >> > Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
> >> > you?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > dorayme
> >>
> >> Nope.. I just ignore everything you say and a few others who think
> >> they are gods gift to humanity.
> >
> > How come you did not ignore this post of mine then? But did
> > ignore a solution to your earlier query about second items which
> > I took the trouble to give you in good faith? Are you as fair in
> > your life generally as you appear on this ng?
>
> Who knows, but by ignoring gross obnoxiocity, one can more closely approach
> the karmatic ideal of blissful ignorance.

Boji, you are the one exception I am going to make regarding a
promise I made to El Kabong. Go and see my attempts to help the
OP and tell what was in them that was so obnoxious? Go on! And
don't pick the wrong posts in your usual "Daffy Duck the Logic
Professor" role.

I even made a goddamn discovery for myself about how to target a
second child (the subject of his query). And what does he say?
Here it was on a platter and all he could think of was some
goddamn precious bullshit about the lowlife (that's me, Daffy)
carrying the tray of gold for him. I mean... c'mon!

--
dorayme

Re: ie issues

In article ,
"Jon Slaughter" wrote:

> Oh... cause I forgot to put you on my ignore list... but I didn't forget
> this time.

Yes you did, your post here is proof.

--
dorayme

Re: ie issues

In article ,
"Jon Slaughter" wrote:

> "Bergamot" wrote in message
> news:5dobtmF35kms5U1@mid.individual.net...
> > Jon Slaughter wrote:
> >>
> >> http://www.abstractdissonance.com/PageComments.php
> >>
> >> Also looking for comments in general to improve it.
> >
> > Why don't you change the colors so it's actually readable?
> >
>
> hmmm... I have no problems reading it. Maybe its your eyes?

The colours behind the text are arty farty crap, stop the
nonsense and make the background sort of white and be done. Your
remark reveals a bad understanding of these matters. You should
be welcoming Bergamot's information as a valuable indicator, not
dismissing it (what's next, pal, to "ignore file" him because his
vision is different to yours?). The point of your web page is for
others, yes? So what the hell has your eyesight got to do with
the matter.

--
dorayme

Re: ie issues

dorayme wrote:
> In article ,
> "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
>
>> "Bergamot" wrote in message
>> news:5dobtmF35kms5U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Jon Slaughter wrote:
>>>> http://www.abstractdissonance.com/PageComments.php
>>>>
>>>> Also looking for comments in general to improve it.
>>> Why don't you change the colors so it's actually readable?
>>>
>> hmmm... I have no problems reading it. Maybe its your eyes?

Yes blame the users. It couldn't be Jon Slaughter.

>
> The colours behind the text are arty farty crap, stop the
> nonsense and make the background sort of white and be done.

That would be reliable only if he set the foreground color to something
dark, like black, which he has also failed to do. As it is now, it's pot
luck, B.Y.O.D.C. [1].

[1]: Bring Your Own Default Colors

--
John

Re: ie issues

"John Hosking" wrote in message
news:467729e9$1_2@news.bluewin.ch...
> dorayme wrote:
>> In article ,
>> "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
>>
>>> "Bergamot" wrote in message
>>> news:5dobtmF35kms5U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Jon Slaughter wrote:
>>>>> http://www.abstractdissonance.com/PageComments.php
>>>>>
>>>>> Also looking for comments in general to improve it.
>>>> Why don't you change the colors so it's actually readable?
>>>>
>>> hmmm... I have no problems reading it. Maybe its your eyes?
>
> Yes blame the users. It couldn't be Jon Slaughter.
>
>>
>> The colours behind the text are arty farty crap, stop the nonsense and
>> make the background sort of white and be done.
>
> That would be reliable only if he set the foreground color to something
> dark, like black, which he has also failed to do. As it is now, it's pot
> luck, B.Y.O.D.C. [1].
>
> [1]: Bring Your Own Default Colors
>

another one bites the dust... I mean ignore list.

Damn... every time I come to alt.html it fills up quick ;/

Re: ie issues

Jon Slaughter wrote:

> Damn... every time I come to alt.html it fills up quick ;/

Pretty soon now, you'll have to answer your own posts.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Re: ie issues

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote in message
news:nSHdi.99763$Sa4.98630@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.ne t...
> Jon Slaughter wrote:
>
>> Damn... every time I come to alt.html it fills up quick ;/
>
> Pretty soon now, you'll have to answer your own posts.
>

Thats fine with me... I don't need that kinda shit you people call "help".
I'd rather not have that kinda "help".

Re: ie issues

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Jon Slaughter wrote:
>
>> Damn... every time I come to alt.html it fills up quick ;/
>
> Pretty soon now, you'll have to answer your own posts.

He'll just argue with them, won't he?


--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

Re: ie issues

Jon Slaughter wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> Jon Slaughter wrote:
>>> Damn... every time I come to alt.html it fills up quick ;/
>>
>> Pretty soon now, you'll have to answer your own posts.
>
> Thats fine with me... I don't need that kinda shit you people call
> "help". I'd rather not have that kinda "help".

There are some fine books in your local library, and just think ... you
won't have to waste any electrons to read them!

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Re: ie issues

Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Jon Slaughter wrote:
>>> Damn... every time I come to alt.html it fills up quick ;/
>>
>> Pretty soon now, you'll have to answer your own posts.
>
> He'll just argue with them, won't he?

Most likely. Do you think he would take his *own* advice?

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Re: ie issues

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> Jon Slaughter wrote:
>>>> Damn... every time I come to alt.html it fills up quick ;/
>>>
>>> Pretty soon now, you'll have to answer your own posts.
>>
>> He'll just argue with them, won't he?
>
> Most likely. Do you think he would take his *own* advice?

This sentence is false.


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Re: ie issues

On Jun 18, 6:15 pm, "Jon Slaughter" wrote:
> I think I finished my comments app but now it doesn't work in ie. I
> basically used classes for all the divs because the selectors were not
> working out(would work inline but when moved into a class and used selectors
> it wouldn't work 1/2 the time(probably selecting wrong element but to much
> of a hassle)).
>
> http://www.abstractdissonance.com/PageComments.php
>
> Anyways, I assume it has something to do with ie but maybe I'm missing
> something... (maybe take a glance at the css. The div stuff should be ok
> cause like I said, it worked fine until I moved all the inline into classes.
>
> Also looking for comments in general to improve it.
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
Well, the fact that your HTML dos not even validate means that you are
throwing UA's into quirks mode, which is a bit of a gray area for
makeing stuff work correctly. Run your page through http://validator.w3.org
and fix all the errors. Then if you still have problems come back here
and ask for help.
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Quirks Mode: based on DOCTYPE sniffing, not validation result

Sub titulo Re: ie issues
scripsit Chaddy2222:

> Well, the fact that your HTML dos not even validate means that you are
> throwing UA's into quirks mode,

No, validation has nothing to do with it. Going to Quirks Mode is based on
"DOCTYPE sniffing", which means looking for a string of particular kind at
the start of a document. If there is no such string, or it does not match
one of very specific patterns, then Quirks Mode, here we come.

For a document that does not specify any document type, there's even no
concept of validation. You can still use a validator so that you tell it to
imply a document type declaration, but that means validating a document
different from your actual document. And even then, the result of validation
has no impact on the choice of Quirks vs. "Standards" Mode.

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http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

Re: ie issues

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:10:26 GMT dorayme scribed:

> But what about a teensy weensy bit of sarcasm now and again?

....And the volcano said to the dragon, "Spitting a little fire now and
then don't matter."

> How can I control myself when I see those geeky expressions the OP
> likes to indulge in?

If geeky expressions make you lose control, I wonder how you react to a
decent line?

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He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: Quirks Mode: based on DOCTYPE sniffing, not validation result

On Jun 19, 4:31 pm, "Jukka K. Korpela" wrote:
> Sub titulo Re: ie issues
> scripsit Chaddy2222:
>
> > Well, the fact that your HTML dos not even validate means that you are
> > throwing UA's into quirks mode,
>
> No, validation has nothing to do with it. Going to Quirks Mode is based on
> "DOCTYPE sniffing", which means looking for a string of particular kind at
> the start of a document. If there is no such string, or it does not match
> one of very specific patterns, then Quirks Mode, here we come.
>
> For a document that does not specify any document type, there's even no
> concept of validation. You can still use a validator so that you tell it to
> imply a document type declaration, but that means validating a document
> different from your actual document. And even then, the result of validation
> has no impact on the choice of Quirks vs. "Standards" Mode.
>
But what about if the document in question has a full document type
(which has the URL) but the document still has errors. Would a
standards conforming browser not pass the HTML and notice it has
errors and render it accordingly. I always thaught that the web
browser would try and correct the rendering of a document if it had
errors.
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Re: ie issues

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:33:51 GMT dorayme scribed:

>> Who knows, but by ignoring gross obnoxiocity, one can more closely
>> approach the karmatic ideal of blissful ignorance.

> Boji, you are the one exception I am going to make regarding a
> promise I made to El Kabong.

Does that make me exceptional in general or only for the purposes of this
excuse?

> Go and see my attempts to help the
> OP and tell what was in them that was so obnoxious? Go on! And
> don't pick the wrong posts in your usual "Daffy Duck the Logic
> Professor" role.
>
> I even made a goddamn discovery for myself about how to target a
> second child (the subject of his query). And what does he say?
> Here it was on a platter and all he could think of was some
> goddamn precious bullshit about the lowlife (that's me, Daffy)
> carrying the tray of gold for him. I mean... c'mon!

Well, the first post of yours I see in _this_ thread is:

= Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
= you?

In the previous related thread, you did seem to be making an earnest
attempt at helping the OP. Apparently, however, when the OP didn't respond
to your altruism, you got a bug up your dufus and squawked in a manner
which historically has given women a bad name.

For shame, dorayme! For shame!

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Re: ie issues

In article ,
Neredbojias wrote:

> If geeky expressions make you lose control, I wonder how you react to a
> decent line?

I never lost control. And it was not just the geek, it was the
pretentious tendencious geek:pseudo that gets me going. About the
line business, you are not going to get all Luigi-like now are
you?

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Re: ie issues

"Neredbojias" wrote in message
news:Xns99546C8F3C60nanopandaneredbojias@198.186.190.161...
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:33:51 GMT dorayme scribed:
>
>>> Who knows, but by ignoring gross obnoxiocity, one can more closely
>>> approach the karmatic ideal of blissful ignorance.
>
>> Boji, you are the one exception I am going to make regarding a
>> promise I made to El Kabong.
>
> Does that make me exceptional in general or only for the purposes of this
> excuse?
>
>> Go and see my attempts to help the
>> OP and tell what was in them that was so obnoxious? Go on! And
>> don't pick the wrong posts in your usual "Daffy Duck the Logic
>> Professor" role.
>>
>> I even made a goddamn discovery for myself about how to target a
>> second child (the subject of his query). And what does he say?
>> Here it was on a platter and all he could think of was some
>> goddamn precious bullshit about the lowlife (that's me, Daffy)
>> carrying the tray of gold for him. I mean... c'mon!
>
> Well, the first post of yours I see in _this_ thread is:
>
> = Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
> = you?
>
> In the previous related thread, you did seem to be making an earnest
> attempt at helping the OP. Apparently, however, when the OP didn't
> respond
> to your altruism, you got a bug up your dufus and squawked in a manner
> which historically has given women a bad name.
>

Actually thats not the first time so ignoring him wasn't my fault. He wants
to bitch about me not listening to me(which tells you something about him
and what he's really doing here(which isn't helping/answering questions))
but yet it all started a few months ago for reasons that I don't even
remember(either I noted his attitude when replying to me or to others). In
any case, I don't need his kinda "help" and rather figure the stuff out on
my own.

Re: ie issues

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> In the previous related thread, you did seem to be making an earnest
> attempt at helping the OP.

I sweated and worked for him like a slave at the oars of a
Phoenician galley ship.

> Apparently, however, when the OP didn't respond
> to your altruism, you ... squawked

Yes, I indulged in a slightly low show. Never mind.

--
dorayme

Re: Quirks Mode: based on DOCTYPE sniffing, not validation result

In article
<1182238731.049156.274550@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Chaddy2222 wrote:

> I always thaught that the web
> browser would try and correct the rendering of a document if it had
> errors.

Different browser have different error correction algorithms.
Some indeed can be tweaked by the user in Preferences. Some are
stricter than others.

--
dorayme

Re: Quirks Mode: based on DOCTYPE sniffing, not validation result

Scripsit Chaddy2222:

> But what about if the document in question has a full document type
> (which has the URL) but the document still has errors.

Then it's invalid, but that doesn't mean much per se.

> Would a standards conforming browser not pass the HTML and notice it has
> errors and render it accordingly.

First, there is no standards-conforming browser. Some browsers are just less
broken than others.

Second, SGML and classic HTML rules do not specify any particular error
processing. If a document is not valid or otherwise violates the
specifications, the specifications do say how it shall be processed. And in
practice, browsers will apply their tag processing rules and do what the
author meant, or something slightly different, or something completely
different.

In XHTML, the idea is more or less that if a document is not valid, it
should not be rendered at all. The first parse error should be reported, and
that's it. Your mileage may vary, e.g. depending on whether you serve your
XHTML as HTML as virtually everyone does (making it effectively tag soup
HTML with odd ingredients) or as XHTML, which makes IE choke on it.

At no point will Quirks vs. Standards Mode selection come into the picture.

> I always thaught that the web
> browser would try and correct the rendering of a document if it had
> errors.

It doesn't really try to correct anything. "Error correction" is an
euphemism. It will just eat the tag soup the ordinary way. This has nothing
to do with Quirks Mode, which means acting intentionally wrong in different
undocumented or poorly document ways

--
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http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

Re: ie issues

In article ,
"Jon Slaughter" wrote:

> I don't need his kinda "help" and rather figure the stuff out on
> my own.

This is simply not true, Jon. Please reconsider. I am the only
one left to help you and I will never abandon you. Look at my
post on children of elements. Tell me straight at my antennae
that nothing there could help you solve the second child problem
you had. I am tuning up the reception on them. What band are you
broadcasting on?

--
dorayme

Re: Quirks Mode: based on DOCTYPE sniffing, not validation result

Scripsit dorayme:

> Different browser have different error correction algorithms.

Rather, they consume tag soup differently.

> Some indeed can be tweaked by the user in Preferences. Some are
> stricter than others.

Pardon? Which browser lets you modify "error correction algorithms" and
exactly how?

--
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

Re: Quirks Mode: based on DOCTYPE sniffing, not validation result

On Jun 19, 5:51 pm, dorayme wrote:
> In article
> <1182238731.049156.274...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Chaddy2222 wrote:
> > I always thaught that the web
> > browser would try and correct the rendering of a document if it had
> > errors.
>
> Different browser have different error correction algorithms.
Yeah, I think that's what I was trying to say. But I also think that
the error correction with invalid HTML is a bit of a gray area. I have
always thaught that, but I think that has now been confermed.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.awardspace.biz

Re: Quirks Mode: based on DOCTYPE sniffing, not validation result

On Jun 19, 5:57 pm, "Jukka K. Korpela" wrote:
> Scripsit Chaddy2222:
>
> > But what about if the document in question has a full document type
> > (which has the URL) but the document still has errors.
>
> Then it's invalid, but that doesn't mean much per se.
>
> > Would a standards conforming browser not pass the HTML and notice it has
> > errors and render it accordingly.
>
> First, there is no standards-conforming browser. Some browsers are just less
> broken than others.
>
> Second, SGML and classic HTML rules do not specify any particular error
> processing. If a document is not valid or otherwise violates the
> specifications, the specifications do say how it shall be processed. And in
> practice, browsers will apply their tag processing rules and do what the
> author meant, or something slightly different, or something completely
> different.
>
> In XHTML, the idea is more or less that if a document is not valid, it
> should not be rendered at all. The first parse error should be reported, and
> that's it. Your mileage may vary, e.g. depending on whether you serve your
> XHTML as HTML as virtually everyone does (making it effectively tag soup
> HTML with odd ingredients) or as XHTML, which makes IE choke on it.
>
> At no point will Quirks vs. Standards Mode selection come into the picture.
>
> > I always thaught that the web
> > browser would try and correct the rendering of a document if it had
> > errors.
>
> It doesn't really try to correct anything. "Error correction" is an
> euphemism. It will just eat the tag soup the ordinary way. This has nothing
> to do with Quirks Mode, which means acting intentionally wrong in different
> undocumented or poorly document ways
>
In other werds, this entire topic of error correction is more complex
then I originally anticipated and to bring this thread back on-topic,
the OP should validate his HTML Documents as it will make it easier to
find display issue and it wil mean the CSS can be passed correctly and
generally speaking, things will work better.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.awardspace.biz

Re: Quirks Mode: based on DOCTYPE sniffing, not validation result

In article ,
"Jukka K. Korpela" wrote:

> > Some indeed can be tweaked by the user in Preferences. Some are
> > stricter than others.
>
> Pardon? Which browser lets you modify "error correction algorithms" and
> exactly how?

I was too hasty and thanks for drawing attention to this matter,
it is the error reporting that is tweakable in some browsers
(e.g. iCab).

--
dorayme

Re: Quirks Mode: based on DOCTYPE sniffing, not validation result

On 2007-06-19, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
[...]
>> I always thaught that the web
>> browser would try and correct the rendering of a document if it had
>> errors.
>
> It doesn't really try to correct anything. "Error correction" is an
> euphemism. It will just eat the tag soup the ordinary way.

As far as I know IE is the only true tag souper. The others will patch
up the input to make at least a valid tree structure. Whether it's a
tree corresponding to valid HTML is another matter; I get the impression
that some things are fixed up and others are not. It's reasonable to
call what they do "error correction".

Re: ie issues

"Jon Slaughter" wrote in message
news:g3Idi.26096$YL5.11852@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote in message
> news:nSHdi.99763$Sa4.98630@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.ne t...
>> Jon Slaughter wrote:
>>
>>> Damn... every time I come to alt.html it fills up quick ;/
>>
>> Pretty soon now, you'll have to answer your own posts.
>>
>
> Thats fine with me... I don't need that kinda shit you people call "help".
> I'd rather not have that kinda "help".


Pathetic. Truly pathetic.

--
Richard.

Re: ie issues

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:44:21 GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> If geeky expressions make you lose control, I wonder how you react to a
>> decent line?
>
> I never lost control.

I didn't think so, but it was your words that suggested it.

> And it was not just the geek, it was the
> pretentious tendencious geek:pseudo that gets me going. About the
> line business, you are not going to get all Luigi-like now are
> you?

No way. There's only one Luigi, and when I wax romantic, I generally order
a pizza and watch reruns of "The Guiding Light" for perspective.

--
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He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ie issues

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:46:39 GMT Jon Slaughter scribed:

>> Well, the first post of yours I see in _this_ thread is:
>>
>> = Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
>> = you?
>>
>> In the previous related thread, you did seem to be making an earnest
>> attempt at helping the OP. Apparently, however, when the OP didn't
>> respond
>> to your altruism, you got a bug up your dufus and squawked in a
>> manner which historically has given women a bad name.
>>
>
> Actually thats not the first time so ignoring him wasn't my fault. He
> wants to bitch about me not listening to me(which tells you something
> about him and what he's really doing here(which isn't
> helping/answering questions)) but yet it all started a few months ago
> for reasons that I don't even remember(either I noted his attitude
> when replying to me or to others). In any case, I don't need his kinda
> "help" and rather figure the stuff out on my own.

Yep, dorayme's been a trouble maker from way back. She's Australian,
and as you probably know, most of them are descended from the criminal
element of centuries past. Rumor has it that as a runty rug rat, she
wandered away from home and got lost in a southern forest where a family
of Tasmanian devils found and raised her because they were mesmerized by
her orneriness. Eventually, though, even they got fed up, and she
relocated to an outhouse in the Outback where at least she had a few
logs to break the monotony of the arid wasteland. Some months ago this
ingenuous guy appeared on the group who'd been evicted from Italy,
mugged in Germany, and stranded in Sweden with nothing but a picture of
himself, a gaudy website, and a one-man business the viability of which
was indeterminate. To make a long story short, she broke the poor
soul's heart and did nothing particularly good for any other part of his
anatomy, either. Several times she's threatened me with ruffians posing
as actors, and to top it all off, she claims to be from another planet!
Let me tell you, one has to be mighty careful about the relations one
engenders via the newer digital expedients now available for service...

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He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ie issues

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:49:35 GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article
> ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> In the previous related thread, you did seem to be making an earnest
>> attempt at helping the OP.
>
> I sweated and worked for him like a slave at the oars of a
> Phoenician galley ship.
>
>> Apparently, however, when the OP didn't respond
>> to your altruism, you ... squawked
>
> Yes, I indulged in a slightly low show. Never mind.

Yes, "Never mind" is a fair response. It's not a big deal because
confederates insult each other all the time, and as long as it doesn't get
out of hand, things be kool.

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.

Re: ie issues

Neredbojias wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:46:39 GMT Jon Slaughter scribed:
>
>>> Well, the first post of yours I see in _this_ thread is:
>>>
>>> = Do you just blabber on without noticing anything that is said to
>>> = you?
>>>
>>> In the previous related thread, you did seem to be making an earnest
>>> attempt at helping the OP. Apparently, however, when the OP didn't
>>> respond
>>> to your altruism, you got a bug up your dufus and squawked in a
>>> manner which historically has given women a bad name.
>>>
>> Actually thats not the first time so ignoring him wasn't my fault. He
>> wants to bitch about me not listening to me(which tells you something
>> about him and what he's really doing here(which isn't
>> helping/answering questions)) but yet it all started a few months ago
>> for reasons that I don't even remember(either I noted his attitude
>> when replying to me or to others). In any case, I don't need his kinda
>> "help" and rather figure the stuff out on my own.
>
> Yep, dorayme's been a trouble maker from way back. She's Australian,
> and as you probably know, most of them are descended from the criminal
> element of centuries past. Rumor has it that as a runty rug rat, she
> wandered away from home and got lost in a southern forest where a family
> of Tasmanian devils found and raised her because they were mesmerized by
> her orneriness. Eventually, though, even they got fed up, and she
> relocated to an outhouse in the Outback where at least she had a few
> logs to break the monotony of the arid wasteland. Some months ago this
> ingenuous guy appeared on the group who'd been evicted from Italy,
> mugged in Germany, and stranded in Sweden with nothing but a picture of
> himself, a gaudy website, and a one-man business the viability of which
> was indeterminate. To make a long story short, she broke the poor
> soul's heart and did nothing particularly good for any other part of his
> anatomy, either. Several times she's threatened me with ruffians posing
> as actors, and to top it all off, she claims to be from another planet!
> Let me tell you, one has to be mighty careful about the relations one
> engenders via the newer digital expedients now available for service...
>

ROTFL! (for real!) This makes up for a typical JS thread of a
Cartmanesque, "Screw you guys I'm going home!"

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Jonathan
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Re: ie issues

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:02:49 GMT Jonathan N. Little scribed:

>> Yep, dorayme's been a trouble maker from way back. She's Australian,
>> and as you probably know, most of them are descended from the
>> criminal element of centuries past. Rumor has it that as a runty rug
>> rat, she wandered away from home and got lost in a southern forest
>> where a family of Tasmanian devils found and raised her because they
>> were mesmerized by her orneriness. Eventually, though, even they got
>> fed up, and she relocated to an outhouse in the Outback where at
>> least she had a few logs to break the monotony of the arid wasteland.
>> Some months ago this ingenuous guy appeared on the group who'd been
>> evicted from Italy, mugged in Germany, and stranded in Sweden with
>> nothing but a picture of himself, a gaudy website, and a one-man
>> business the viability of which was indeterminate. To make a long
>> story short, she broke the poor soul's heart and did nothing
>> particularly good for any other part of his anatomy, either. Several
>> times she's threatened me with ruffians posing as actors, and to top
>> it all off, she claims to be from another planet! Let me tell you,
>> one has to be mighty careful about the relations one engenders via
>> the newer digital expedients now available for service...
>>
>
> ROTFL! (for real!) This makes up for a typical JS thread of a
> Cartmanesque, "Screw you guys I'm going home!" > gesture>

Yeah, it's fun to expound a little humor now and then, 'specially when
everyone gets crabby. Who said women are the best bitchers?

--
Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.