alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:01:32 GMT GreatArtist scribed:

> On Jul 8, 1:30 am, John Hosking
> wrote:
>> You must be very proud.
>
> Why are you being a sarcastic jerk?
>
>> Pondering the value of the UIP:http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
>
> Regarding your link, I think the best thing to improve Usenet would be
> for people like you and Jerka Korpela to stop making sarcastic, rude,
> insulting comments that are unprovoked and stop being arrogant
> assholes. Learn how to be decent human beings.

Here's something you should realize. Jukka has learned English as a second
language, and being a very intelligent man, has done so very well. He
probably knows and uses it better than many native Brits, Yanks, and
particularly Australians. However, his primary vernacular, Finnish, is
more elemental in its constructs from being more primitive in development.
Having such a limited fundament naturally precludes the ability to access
many of the finer and sublime nuances of communication available in richer
languages - such as English. Ergo, it's quite possible that a certain
perceived intemperance on his part is nothing but innate frustration
resulting from semi-preceived possibilities available to less lingually-
constrained individuals.

--
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Scratched on wall of Tuscaloosa lockup #3:

The woman was
A real looker.
Too bad she war'nt
A real hooker.

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

"Neredbojias" wrote in message
news:Xns99674D3C6DD8Ananopandaneredbojias@198.186.190.161...
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:01:32 GMT GreatArtist scribed:
>
>> On Jul 8, 1:30 am, John Hosking
>> wrote:
>>> You must be very proud.
>>
>> Why are you being a sarcastic jerk?
>>
>>> Pondering the value of the UIP:http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
>>
>> Regarding your link, I think the best thing to improve Usenet would be
>> for people like you and Jerka Korpela to stop making sarcastic, rude,
>> insulting comments that are unprovoked and stop being arrogant
>> assholes. Learn how to be decent human beings.
>
> Here's something you should realize. Jukka has learned English as a
> second
> language, and being a very intelligent man, has done so very well. He
> probably knows and uses it better than many native Brits, Yanks, and
> particularly Australians. However, his primary vernacular, Finnish, is
> more elemental in its constructs from being more primitive in development.
> Having such a limited fundament naturally precludes the ability to access
> many of the finer and sublime nuances of communication available in richer
> languages - such as English. Ergo, it's quite possible that a certain
> perceived intemperance on his part is nothing but innate frustration
> resulting from semi-preceived possibilities available to less lingually-
> constrained individuals.

Or maybe he's just feeling inferior due to a perceived sexual inadequacy and
is making feeble attempts at improving his low self-esteem by belittling
others.

El

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:01:32 GMT GreatArtist scribed:
>
>> On Jul 8, 1:30 am, John Hosking
>> wrote:
>>> You must be very proud.
>>
>> Why are you being a sarcastic jerk?
>>
>>> Pondering the value of the UIP:http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
>>
>> Regarding your link, I think the best thing to improve Usenet would be
>> for people like you and Jerka Korpela to stop making sarcastic, rude,
>> insulting comments that are unprovoked and stop being arrogant
>> assholes. Learn how to be decent human beings.
>
> Here's something you should realize. Jukka has learned English as a second
> language, and being a very intelligent man, has done so very well. He
> probably knows and uses it better than many native Brits, Yanks, and
> particularly Australians. However, his primary vernacular, Finnish, is
> more elemental in its constructs from being more primitive in development.
> Having such a limited fundament naturally precludes the ability to access
> many of the finer and sublime nuances of communication available in richer
> languages - such as English. Ergo, it's quite possible that a certain
> perceived intemperance on his part is nothing but innate frustration
> resulting from semi-preceived possibilities available to less lingually-
> constrained individuals.

You misspelled "You have nothing to teach anyone, Google Grouper." :)


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Killing all posts from Google Groups
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

GreatArtist writes:

> I don't care what you think about XHTML. I didn't ask you!
> Garrick Chow, who I respect far more than you, recommends XHTML 1.0
> transitional.

Your respect is misplaced. XHTML, while nice enough in theory, has any
number of problems in practice that prevent it from being useful in the
real world.

I have far more respect for someone who has the backbone to tell it like
it is, rather than pandering to the clueless masses in order to make more
money from book sales.

sherm--

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Sherm Pendley wrote:
> GreatArtist writes:
>
>> I don't care what you think about XHTML. I didn't ask you!
>> Garrick Chow, who I respect far more than you, recommends XHTML 1.0
>> transitional.
>
> Your respect is misplaced. XHTML, while nice enough in theory, has any
> number of problems in practice that prevent it from being useful in the
> real world.
>
> I have far more respect for someone who has the backbone to tell it like
> it is, rather than pandering to the clueless masses in order to make more
> money from book sales.

Is there any reason to create a new site in transitional *anything*, as
versus strict?


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> and particularly Australians.

I can see that you lie bruised and vicious still about our little
to and fro on the standards of stuffy old English grammar. (btw.
wanna give me a teensy weensy little hint of your secret figure
on the desert? You came up with a figure below 84,000 miles?)

--
dorayme

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On Jul 8, 2:02 pm, GreatArtist wrote:
> Garrick Chow, who I respect far more than you, recommends XHTML 1.0
> transitional.

Are you talking about the fellow behind http://www.garrickchow.com/ ?
I've never heard of him before, but since his homepage has an HTML
4.01 Transitional doctype, but don't conform that it, I wouldn't try
it an inch when it came to giving advice about authoring webpages.

> Your overly simplistic web site sucks. It's worthless.

I find a great deal of the information on Jukka's easy-to-navigate
site very useful. It does get quite technical at points though.
Perhaps you are lashing out because you find it intimidating.

> You're an idiot and emotionally stunted.

You are the one who came to this newsgroup asking for help and then
started throwing around obscenities.

--
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http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Blinky the Shark writes:

> Is there any reason to create a new site in transitional *anything*, as
> versus strict?

None that I can think of.

sherm--

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Scripsit dorayme:

> We must not get too cynical!

How would that be possible, here on Earth?

> There is a tendency in many ngs for
> some of the regulars to go in a little hard on newcomers.

Not really strongly enough, when it's about being hard to newcomers who post
without having read the group, not telling the URL, and making a most
uncivilized attack on a _person_ after their _posting behavior_ and _HTML
skills_ have been demonstrated to be very poor. We don't want such
newcomers; that's best to all other readers, including civilized newcomers
with some minimum supply of clues.

--
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> Scripsit GreatArtist:
>
>> On Jul 8, 12:23 am, "Jukka K. Korpela" wrote:
>>>> (a lot of arrogant pissing contest bullshit)
>>
>> Jerka, you're a miserable piece of shit.
>
> You're a disgusting coward who insults people, hiding behind a nickname.
> I'd rather be pig's vomit or rotten shit than anything like that.
>
>> Yes I just recently read books on HTML, XHTML, and CSS.
>
> There are lots of bad books on them. Besides, reading is not enough;
> comprehension is required. You have already demonstrated that you didn't
> learn much. You would need a good book on basics.
>

Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and xhtml?

--
Wayne
www.glenmeadows.us
"Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

GreatArtist wrote:
> On Jul 8, 12:23 am, "Jukka K. Korpela" wrote:
>>> (a lot of arrogant pissing contest bullshit)
>
> Garrick Chow, who I respect far more than you, recommends XHTML 1.0
> transitional.

Is that supposed to mean something? I never heard of Garrick Chow. If
it's the same person at garrickchow.com, then he certainly isn't any
expert in HTML, regardless of what else he may know.

> Your overly simplistic web site sucks. It's worthless.

Au contraire. There is a wealth of useful information at Mr Korpela's
site. The simple design suits the content and purpose very well.

> You're an idiot and emotionally stunted.

How to win friends and influence people... :-\

--
Berg
Blinky is right: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

wayne wrote:
> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>> Scripsit GreatArtist:
>>
>>> On Jul 8, 12:23 am, "Jukka K. Korpela" wrote:
>>>>> (a lot of arrogant pissing contest bullshit)
>>>
>>> Jerka, you're a miserable piece of shit.
>>
>> You're a disgusting coward who insults people, hiding behind a
>> nickname. I'd rather be pig's vomit or rotten shit than anything
>> like that.
>>
>>> Yes I just recently read books on HTML, XHTML, and CSS.
>>
>> There are lots of bad books on them. Besides, reading is not enough;
>> comprehension is required. You have already demonstrated that you
>> didn't learn much. You would need a good book on basics.
>
> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and
> xhtml?

Just curious: would you like a little contest between Jukka and yourself
to see who knows more about the subject?


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On Jul 9, 3:55 am, wayne wrote:
> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

> > There are lots of bad books on them. Besides, reading is not enough;
> > comprehension is required. You have already demonstrated that you didn't
> > learn much. You would need a good book on basics.
>
> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and xhtml?

He is AN authority on those subjects thanks to years of experience,
study and participation in the community.

You, on the other hand, I've never heard of.

--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:41:41 GMT David Dorward scribed:

> On Jul 9, 3:55 am, wayne wrote:
>> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>
>> > There are lots of bad books on them. Besides, reading is not
>> > enough; comprehension is required. You have already demonstrated
>> > that you didn't learn much. You would need a good book on basics.
>>
>> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and
>> xhtml?
>
> He is AN authority on those subjects thanks to years of experience,
> study and participation in the community.
>
> You, on the other hand, I've never heard of.

Oh, come on! Everybody knows about Wayne's World.

--
Neredbojias

Peace bro.

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:54:51 GMT El Kabong scribed:

> Or maybe he's just feeling inferior due to a perceived sexual
> inadequacy and is making feeble attempts at improving his low
> self-esteem by belittling others.

Well, I'd say he's human and testy sometimes. Even crass occasionally.
But so what? I am, too, and it's okay to fight back with at least a
modicum of decorum, but when the dialogue degrades to cussin', there ain't
no dialogue.

--
Neredbojias

Scratched on wall of Tuscaloosa lockup #3:

The woman was
A real looker.
Too bad she war'nt
A real hooker.

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:41:53 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

> You misspelled "You have nothing to teach anyone, Google Grouper." :)

Don't forget, a Grouper is a kind of fish, too. Who knows, this guy could
be your second cousin...

--
Neredbojias

Whoa, Yoric

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:42:57 GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article
> ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> and particularly Australians.
>
> I can see that you lie bruised and vicious still about our little
> to and fro on the standards of stuffy old English grammar. (btw.
> wanna give me a teensy weensy little hint of your secret figure
> on the desert? You came up with a figure below 84,000 miles?)

Actually, I really like Australians. That's why I pick on them so
constantly.

I was under the assumption you didn't want numbers to that puzzler posted,
but okay. 2000. Probably isn't optimal.

--
Neredbojias

I heard they have no mirth in Perth.

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:41:53 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
> > You misspelled "You have nothing to teach anyone, Google Grouper." :)
>
> Don't forget, a Grouper is a kind of fish, too. Who knows, this guy could
> be your second cousin...

A Groper is a beautiful fish that I see all the time down at
Clovelly when swimming. The male is a magnificent powder blue,
the female is a sort of muddy green, it is about 3/4 metres long.
gorgeous things...

--
dorayme

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On 2007-07-08, GreatArtist wrote:

[...]

> Your overly simplistic web site sucks. It's worthless.

I do not defend Jukka, he is more than capable of defending himself
:-) But you need to look a little more closely at this web site and
with a great deal more _careful_ reading you will see that you are
_very_ wrong.

Andrew

--
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http://people.aapt.net.au/~adjlstrong/mutt.html

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:42:57 GMT dorayme scribed:
>
> > In article
> > ,
> > Neredbojias wrote:
> >
> >> and particularly Australians.
> >
> > I can see that you lie bruised and vicious still about our little
> > to and fro on the standards of stuffy old English grammar. (btw.
> > wanna give me a teensy weensy little hint of your secret figure
> > on the desert? You came up with a figure below 84,000 miles?)
>
> Actually, I really like Australians. That's why I pick on them so
> constantly.
>
> I was under the assumption you didn't want numbers to that puzzler posted,
> but okay. 2000. Probably isn't optimal.

What a nice round figure and neat where it is, 2 x 1000! No...
you won't solve quickly, it takes some persistence and the real
worth in all this is not the mere figure but the approach to it.
How it must be reasoned with... (now I am reminded of a line in
Pride and Prejudice where Elizabeth is besides herself over
Wickam's elopement with her 16 year old sister. He is a bit of a
scoundrel and she blurts out to her sister Jane, "How is a man
like that to be reasoned with?" The desert is like that, but
there is a way, and a more honourable one than the way Wickham
had to be dealt with.

--
dorayme

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On 2007-07-08, Neredbojias wrote:

[...]

> Here's something you should realize. Jukka has learned English as a second
> language, and being a very intelligent man, has done so very well. He
> probably knows and uses it better than many native Brits, Yanks, and
> particularly Australians.

Your slur upon the Australian people is duly noted :-) No more shrimps
on the barbie for any of youse!

Andrew

--
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http://people.aapt.net.au/~adjlstrong/mutt.html

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article ,
andrew wrote:

> On 2007-07-08, Neredbojias wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Here's something you should realize. Jukka has learned English as a second
> > language, and being a very intelligent man, has done so very well. He
> > probably knows and uses it better than many native Brits, Yanks, and
> > particularly Australians.
>
> Your slur upon the Australian people is duly noted :-) No more shrimps
> on the barbie for any of youse!
>
> Andrew

Too right, Andrew! And no cold tinnies either.

--
dorayme

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> wayne wrote:
>> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>>> Scripsit GreatArtist:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 12:23 am, "Jukka K. Korpela" wrote:
>>>>>> (a lot of arrogant pissing contest bullshit)
>>>> Jerka, you're a miserable piece of shit.
>>> You're a disgusting coward who insults people, hiding behind a
>>> nickname. I'd rather be pig's vomit or rotten shit than anything
>>> like that.
>>>
>>>> Yes I just recently read books on HTML, XHTML, and CSS.
>>> There are lots of bad books on them. Besides, reading is not enough;
>>> comprehension is required. You have already demonstrated that you
>>> didn't learn much. You would need a good book on basics.
>> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and
>> xhtml?
>
> Just curious: would you like a little contest between Jukka and yourself
> to see who knows more about the subject?
>
>
I don't claim to be an expert6, why don't you butt out.

--
Wayne
www.glenmeadows.us
"Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> wayne wrote:
>> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>>> Scripsit GreatArtist:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 12:23 am, "Jukka K. Korpela" wrote:
>>>>>> (a lot of arrogant pissing contest bullshit)
>>>> Jerka, you're a miserable piece of shit.
>>> You're a disgusting coward who insults people, hiding behind a
>>> nickname. I'd rather be pig's vomit or rotten shit than anything
>>> like that.
>>>
>>>> Yes I just recently read books on HTML, XHTML, and CSS.
>>> There are lots of bad books on them. Besides, reading is not enough;
>>> comprehension is required. You have already demonstrated that you
>>> didn't learn much. You would need a good book on basics.
>> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and
>> xhtml?
>
> Just curious: would you like a little contest between Jukka and yourself
> to see who knows more about the subject?
>
>

My reply to you was rude, I apologize. I would like to be enlightened
as to what the purpose of this group is. Is it to stroke the "regulars"
egos by demonstrating how inadequate others are, or to offer help to
those wanting to learn web authoring?

Surely their must be some "regulars" that find "You should stop working
on web pages before you understand the basics, including the alt
attribute. -Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")" to be pretty intolerant. Also,
the sentence is grammatically incorrect. Do English teachers make
statements that one should not write until one masters the language? If
we all wait until we know everything about a subject before we tackled
it, nothing would ever get started.

Doe you believe that you were experts when you published your first
webpage?

--
Wayne
www.glenmeadows.us
"Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:18:02 GMT wayne scribed:

>>> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and
>>> xhtml?
>>
>> Just curious: would you like a little contest between Jukka and yourself
>> to see who knows more about the subject?
>>
>>
> I don't claim to be an expert6, why don't you butt out.

If sharks swim backwards, they die of fart-poisoning.

--
Neredbojias

Flatulance is a pestilence.

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:44:27
GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article
> ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:41:53 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>
>> > You misspelled "You have nothing to teach anyone, Google Grouper."
>> > :)
>>
>> Don't forget, a Grouper is a kind of fish, too. Who knows, this guy
>> could be your second cousin...
>
> A Groper is a beautiful fish that I see all the time down at
> Clovelly when swimming. The male is a magnificent powder blue,
> the female is a sort of muddy green, it is about 3/4 metres long.
> gorgeous things...

Males are often magnificent with regard to females.

--
Neredbojias the wise

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:54:15
GMT dorayme scribed:

>> I was under the assumption you didn't want numbers to that puzzler
>> posted, but okay. 2000. Probably isn't optimal.
>
> What a nice round figure and neat where it is, 2 x 1000! No...
> you won't solve quickly, it takes some persistence and the real
> worth in all this is not the mere figure but the approach to it.
> How it must be reasoned with... (now I am reminded of a line in
> Pride and Prejudice where Elizabeth is besides herself over
> Wickam's elopement with her 16 year old sister. He is a bit of a
> scoundrel and she blurts out to her sister Jane, "How is a man
> like that to be reasoned with?" The desert is like that, but
> there is a way, and a more honourable one than the way Wickham
> had to be dealt with.

So all that means exactly what with regard to my number?

--
Neredbojias the idiosyncratic

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:55:01
GMT andrew scribed:

> On 2007-07-08, Neredbojias wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Here's something you should realize. Jukka has learned English as a
>> second language, and being a very intelligent man, has done so very
>> well. He probably knows and uses it better than many native Brits,
>> Yanks, and particularly Australians.
>
> Your slur upon the Australian people is duly noted :-) No more shrimps
> on the barbie for any of youse!

Fine with me. I was never a proponent of crustaceanality in the first
place.

--
Neredbojias the moral

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On 2007-07-09, Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:54:15
> GMT dorayme scribed:
>
>>> I was under the assumption you didn't want numbers to that puzzler
>>> posted, but okay. 2000. Probably isn't optimal.
>>
>> What a nice round figure and neat where it is, 2 x 1000! No...
>> you won't solve quickly, it takes some persistence and the real
>> worth in all this is not the mere figure but the approach to it.
>> How it must be reasoned with... (now I am reminded of a line in
>> Pride and Prejudice where Elizabeth is besides herself over
>> Wickam's elopement with her 16 year old sister. He is a bit of a
>> scoundrel and she blurts out to her sister Jane, "How is a man
>> like that to be reasoned with?" The desert is like that, but
>> there is a way, and a more honourable one than the way Wickham
>> had to be dealt with.
>
> So all that means exactly what with regard to my number?

It's too big. I can do better than 2000.

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

wayne wrote:
>
> I would like to be enlightened
> as to what the purpose of this group is.

This is not a help desk, it's a Usenet discussion group. No one here is
under any obligation to give you the answer you seek. It is not unusual
for questions by newbies to result in discussions of any merits (or lack
thereof) related to the original query. Getting sidetracked is not
uncommon, either. If you don't like it, you can go elsewhere.

> Is it to stroke the "regulars"
> egos by demonstrating how inadequate others are, or to offer help to
> those wanting to learn web authoring?

If you are genuinely interested in learning, not just getting a quick
answer to some fool "problem" then ducking out like most google groupers
do these days, don't expect to have *your* ego stroked. Just don't take
things so personally.

> "You should stop working
> on web pages before you understand the basics, including the alt
> attribute."
> the sentence is grammatically incorrect.

This is an international group. It is considered rude to pick on English
spelling and grammar errors, since English is not native to many posters
here, including some regulars.

Shall I point out the errors in the sentence below? ;)

> Doe you believe that you were experts when you published your first
> webpage?

You aren't expected to be an expert when you first start out, but you
are expected to do some homework on your own, and learn a little
netiquette. Lurk in the group for a while before posting, and use google
groups for the only thing it's really good for - searching the archives
to try and find your own answers.

--
Berg

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:23:54 GMT
Ben C scribed:

>> So all that means exactly what with regard to my number?
>
> It's too big. I can do better than 2000.

I have no doubt you are correct, but how? I worked on this until I got
migraine of the medulla and now I need some constructive assistance.

--
Neredbojias the headachy

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:54:15
> GMT dorayme scribed:
>
> >> I was under the assumption you didn't want numbers to that puzzler
> >> posted, but okay. 2000. Probably isn't optimal.
> >
> > What a nice round figure and neat where it is, 2 x 1000! No...
> > you won't solve quickly, it takes some persistence and the real
> > worth in all this is not the mere figure but the approach to it.
> > How it must be reasoned with... (now I am reminded of a line in
> > Pride and Prejudice where Elizabeth is besides herself over
> > Wickam's elopement with her 16 year old sister. He is a bit of a
> > scoundrel and she blurts out to her sister Jane, "How is a man
> > like that to be reasoned with?" The desert is like that, but
> > there is a way, and a more honourable one than the way Wickham
> > had to be dealt with.
>
> So all that means exactly what with regard to my number?

It means that your figure is wrong, either because it is
impossible to cross the desert in so low a mileage (you make an
error in your reasoning if you did not simply pluck a number off
a shelf - see my previous post on this) or so high a figure (you
simply gave up before considering deeper issues).

Now, if you do not understand these last remarks of mine, it is a
safe bet you will never solve the more complicated problem of
understanding the logistics involved in the desert. So, for now,
I want you to concentrate heavily on these last remarks of mine.
Loll them about in that xenophobic, sexist, javascript loving
brain of yours.

Now there is a thought, Boji! Javascript. You could cheat and
write a program to get the result or very close to it. You know,
I used to solve problems like this in Basic when I worked my SE
and SE30. It was a lot of fun. I "solved" some of the other bin
Hassad puzzles this way. You make a model suitable for a program
and run it. I did that successfully, if I recall, with

l>

and I think with

r.html>

But the desert would be trickier to program for. However,
personal computers are pretty powerful these days and you might
get something half sensible by sheer number crunching. (That is
basically what chess computers do - or did... they are getting
smarter I hear)

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:23:54 GMT
> Ben C scribed:
>
> >> So all that means exactly what with regard to my number?
> >
> > It's too big. I can do better than 2000.
>
> I have no doubt you are correct, but how? I worked on this until I got
> migraine of the medulla and now I need some constructive assistance.

Ben, I am begging you not to! You have already given him the clue
that it is a lower figure (something I was not prepared to do).
It is a clue because if you (who understands arcane things in the
css bible) can get a lower figure, it is likely to be lower
rather than higher.

I now take remedial action:

Boji... Boji... you are feeling sleepy... you are getting tired
and and your eyes are feeling heavy.... when you wake up, the
figure could be more or less than 2000...

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:41:53 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>> You misspelled "You have nothing to teach anyone, Google Grouper." :)
>
> Don't forget, a Grouper is a kind of fish, too. Who knows, this guy could
> be your second cousin...

You misspelled "dinner". :)

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:44:27
> GMT dorayme scribed:
>
>> In article
>> ,
>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:41:53 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>>
>>> > You misspelled "You have nothing to teach anyone, Google Grouper."
>>> > :)
>>>
>>> Don't forget, a Grouper is a kind of fish, too. Who knows, this guy
>>> could be your second cousin...
>>
>> A Groper is a beautiful fish that I see all the time down at
>> Clovelly when swimming. The male is a magnificent powder blue,
>> the female is a sort of muddy green, it is about 3/4 metres long.
>> gorgeous things...
>
> Males are often magnificent with regard to females.

But here's what groupers actually look like:

http://blinkynet.net/comp/googlegrouper.html

(...as linked from the main page shown in my sig.)


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

wayne wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> wayne wrote:
>>> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>>>> Scripsit GreatArtist:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 8, 12:23 am, "Jukka K. Korpela" wrote:
>>>>>>> (a lot of arrogant pissing contest bullshit)
>>>>> Jerka, you're a miserable piece of shit.
>>>> You're a disgusting coward who insults people, hiding behind a
>>>> nickname. I'd rather be pig's vomit or rotten shit than anything
>>>> like that.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes I just recently read books on HTML, XHTML, and CSS.
>>>> There are lots of bad books on them. Besides, reading is not enough;
>>>> comprehension is required. You have already demonstrated that you
>>>> didn't learn much. You would need a good book on basics.
>>> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and
>>> xhtml?
>>
>> Just curious: would you like a little contest between Jukka and yourself
>> to see who knows more about the subject?
>>
> I don't claim to be an expert6, why don't you butt out.

I guess that's a "no", then.


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:18:02 GMT wayne scribed:
>
>>>> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and
>>>> xhtml?
>>>
>>> Just curious: would you like a little contest between Jukka and yourself
>>> to see who knows more about the subject?
>>>
>>>
>> I don't claim to be an expert6, why don't you butt out.
>
> If sharks swim backwards, they die of fart-poisoning.

Or because our gills don't function with that direction of motion.


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

wayne wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> wayne wrote:
>>> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>>>> Scripsit GreatArtist:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 8, 12:23 am, "Jukka K. Korpela" wrote:
>>>>>>> (a lot of arrogant pissing contest bullshit)
>>>>> Jerka, you're a miserable piece of shit.
>>>> You're a disgusting coward who insults people, hiding behind a
>>>> nickname. I'd rather be pig's vomit or rotten shit than anything
>>>> like that.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes I just recently read books on HTML, XHTML, and CSS.
>>>> There are lots of bad books on them. Besides, reading is not
>>>> enough; comprehension is required. You have already demonstrated
>>>> that you didn't learn much. You would need a good book on basics.
>>> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and
>>> xhtml?
>>
>> Just curious: would you like a little contest between Jukka and
>> yourself to see who knows more about the subject?
>
> My reply to you was rude, I apologize. I would like to be enlightened

Accepted. I already responded to that, but not defensively like you did
to my post.

> as to what the purpose of this group is. Is it to stroke the
> "regulars" egos by demonstrating how inadequate others are, or to
> offer help to those wanting to learn web authoring?

In my opinion, it's (mostly) to talk about issues of importance and
interest to people who create and maintain web documents. Regulars
learn from this dialog; newbies learn from this dialog. Some people
think it's a help desk, and while help is certainly given out every day
to those requesting it, some come in with the attitude that they're
*owed* something; those sometimes are asked if they'd like a refund;
some of them actually get the point, but some don't.

> Surely their must be some "regulars" that find "You should stop
> working

"there". "their" is a possessive, as in "it's their new car".

> on web pages before you understand the basics, including the alt
> attribute. -Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")" to be pretty intolerant. Also,

That's sometimes very good advice. For those who come here to get
stroked for their wonderful new site it may come as a surprise. But it
*still* might be very good advice for them.

> the sentence is grammatically incorrect. Do English teachers make

Jukka's statement is gramatically correct.

He's blunt. But he's a wealth of information. You won't go wrong
listening to him.

> statements that one should not write until one masters the language?
> If

One probably shouldn't *publish* until one has the necessary skills; web
pages are published (or they're not much use, sitting there on your
local machine).

> we all wait until we know everything about a subject before we tackled
> it, nothing would ever get started.

His instruction was about "understand(ing) the basics", not about
"know(ing) everything". Don't redefine what he said and then cop an
attitude to what *you* made up.

> Doe you believe that you were experts when you published your first
> webpage?

I can only speak for myself, which is less than your question asks. No,
of course I wasn't. And Jukka has not said anything about being an
expert. He suggested that you learn the "basics". You might want to
pay more attention to what's actually been *said*, rather than making up
stuff and getting your nose bent about what *you've* created.


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:54:51 GMT El Kabong scribed:
>
>> Or maybe he's just feeling inferior due to a perceived sexual
>> inadequacy and is making feeble attempts at improving his low
>> self-esteem by belittling others.
>
> Well, I'd say he's human and testy sometimes. Even crass occasionally.
> But so what? I am, too, and it's okay to fight back with at least a
> modicum of decorum, but when the dialogue degrades to cussin', there ain't
> no dialogue.

Band name! Modicum of Decorum

:)

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article ,
Blinky the Shark wrote:

> "there". "their" is a possessive, as in "it's their new car".

You sure about this?

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Bergamot wrote:
> This is not a help desk, it's a Usenet discussion group. No one here is
> under any obligation to give you the answer you seek. It is not unusual
> for questions by newbies to result in discussions of any merits (or lack
> thereof) related to the original query. Getting sidetracked is not
> uncommon, either. If you don't like it, you can go elsewhere.

Perhaps it isn't, you are under no obligation to help if you don't want
to. Attacking the op though, seems inappropriate to me. In all fairness,
perhaps I missed something in the original exchange.

>
>> Is it to stroke the "regulars"
>> egos by demonstrating how inadequate others are, or to offer help to
>> those wanting to learn web authoring?
>
> If you are genuinely interested in learning, not just getting a quick
> answer to some fool "problem" then ducking out like most google groupers
> do these days, don't expect to have *your* ego stroked. Just don't take
> things so personally.

Understood. The remarks were not made towards me.

>
> This is an international group. It is considered rude to pick on English
> spelling and grammar errors, since English is not native to many posters
> here, including some regulars.

My belief is one should not attack anyone, that is what prompted my
outburst.

>
> Shall I point out the errors in the sentence below? ;)
>

Yes, I see. I'll have to get that spell check fixed! :)

>> Doe you believe that you were experts when you published your first
>> webpage?
>

> You aren't expected to be an expert when you first start out, but you
> are expected to do some homework on your own, and learn a little
> netiquette. Lurk in the group for a while before posting, and use google
> groups for the only thing it's really good for - searching the archives
> to try and find your own answers.
>

How long should one "lurk" before posting? How does the group regulars
determine if one has pulled out enough hair searching for an answer?


--
Wayne
www.glenmeadows.us
"Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

wayne wrote:

> How long should one "lurk" before posting? How does the group regulars
> determine if one has pulled out enough hair searching for an answer?

As long as it takes, some folks are a bit sharper at piking up how to
quote, snip, and ask a question than others. I do find it amazing that
number of folks who post here that assume we are clairvoyant and as
questions like: "My webpage doesn't work, why?"


--
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Jonathan
-------------------
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

David Dorward wrote:
> On Jul 9, 3:55 am, wayne wrote:
>> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>
>>> There are lots of bad books on them. Besides, reading is not enough;
>>> comprehension is required. You have already demonstrated that you didn't
>>> learn much. You would need a good book on basics.
>> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and xhtml?
>
> He is AN authority on those subjects thanks to years of experience,
> study and participation in the community.
>
> You, on the other hand, I've never heard of.
>
> --
> David Dorward
> http://dorward.me.uk/
> http://blog.dorward.me.uk/
>

That's OK, I've never heard of you either! ;)

BTW, your sig is broken the space after -- is missing.

--
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www.glenmeadows.us
"Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

dorayme wrote:
> In article ,
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> "there". "their" is a possessive, as in "it's their new car".
>
> You sure about this?
>
Yup. *it's* contraction of *it is* and *their* is the possessive form of
*they*. Seems correct to me.

--
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Jonathan
-------------------
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:11:44
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

> Neredbojias wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:18:02 GMT wayne scribed:
>>
>>>>> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and
>>>>> xhtml?
>>>>
>>>> Just curious: would you like a little contest between Jukka and
>>>> yourself to see who knows more about the subject?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't claim to be an expert6, why don't you butt out.
>>
>> If sharks swim backwards, they die of fart-poisoning.
>
> Or because our gills don't function with that direction of motion.

I was born with gills that didn't function in any direction so they
atrophied.

--
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A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:10:09 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>>> Don't forget, a Grouper is a kind of fish, too. Who knows, this guy
>>>> could be your second cousin...
>>>
>>> A Groper is a beautiful fish that I see all the time down at
>>> Clovelly when swimming. The male is a magnificent powder blue,
>>> the female is a sort of muddy green, it is about 3/4 metres long.
>>> gorgeous things...
>>
>> Males are often magnificent with regard to females.
>
> But here's what groupers actually look like:
>
> http://blinkynet.net/comp/googlegrouper.html
>
> (...as linked from the main page shown in my sig.)

That's what I thought! Dorayme said they were "magnificent" (-and watch
her bitch about the capital "d",) but that looks more like a rather
flattened version of Jabba the Hutt. From vague memories in the past, I
believed they were butt-ugly but couldn't picture any.

--
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A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:08:18
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

> Neredbojias wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:41:53 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>
>>> You misspelled "You have nothing to teach anyone, Google Grouper."
>>> :)
>>
>> Don't forget, a Grouper is a kind of fish, too. Who knows, this guy
>> could be your second cousin...
>
> You misspelled "dinner". :)

You mean you'd actually eat a relative? For shame, Blinkadocious!

--
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A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:11:44
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:18:02 GMT wayne scribed:
>>>
>>>>>> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and
>>>>>> xhtml?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just curious: would you like a little contest between Jukka and
>>>>> yourself to see who knows more about the subject?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I don't claim to be an expert6, why don't you butt out.
>>>
>>> If sharks swim backwards, they die of fart-poisoning.
>>
>> Or because our gills don't function with that direction of motion.
>
> I was born with gills that didn't function in any direction so they
> atrophied.

Once more, ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

"Jonathan N. Little" wrote in message
news:a79bd$4692e055$40cba7c2$18752@NAXS.COM...
> dorayme wrote:
>> In article ,
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>
>>> "there". "their" is a possessive, as in "it's their new car".
>>
>> You sure about this?
>>
> Yup. *it's* contraction of *it is* and *their* is the possessive form of
> *they*. Seems correct to me.

Perhaps dorayme is thinking about the third flavour, as in:

It's there, their new car, _they're_ about to open its doors. There, it's
done, its doors're open.

--
Richard.

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

dorayme wrote:
> In article ,
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> "there". "their" is a possessive, as in "it's their new car".
>
> You sure about this?
>

Absent the context, well, no, not really. I could guess but I have no
reliance on anything factual to feel assured that I may be right.

Hey, if the literati are going to carp about the newbies it behooves the
literati to, um, well, be better?

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:29:13
GMT dorayme scribed:

>> >> So all that means exactly what with regard to my number?
>> >
>> > It's too big. I can do better than 2000.
>>
>> I have no doubt you are correct, but how? I worked on this until I
>> got migraine of the medulla and now I need some constructive
>> assistance.
>
> Ben, I am begging you not to! You have already given him the clue
> that it is a lower figure (something I was not prepared to do).
> It is a clue because if you (who understands arcane things in the
> css bible) can get a lower figure, it is likely to be lower
> rather than higher.

I *said* mine probably wasn't optimal. Get the wool outta your ears.

> I now take remedial action:
>
> Boji... Boji... you are feeling sleepy... you are getting tired
> and and your eyes are feeling heavy.... when you wake up, the
> figure could be more or less than 2000...

Okay, mom. (I call you "mom" because you're obviously much older than me
and just as irritating as my mader familias.)

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007
> 00:10:09 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>>> Don't forget, a Grouper is a kind of fish, too. Who knows, this
>>>>> guy could be your second cousin...
>>>>
>>>> A Groper is a beautiful fish that I see all the time down at
>>>> Clovelly when swimming. The male is a magnificent powder blue, the
>>>> female is a sort of muddy green, it is about 3/4 metres long.
>>>> gorgeous things...
>>>
>>> Males are often magnificent with regard to females.
>>
>> But here's what groupers actually look like:
>>
>> http://blinkynet.net/comp/googlegrouper.html
>>
>> (...as linked from the main page shown in my sig.)
>
> That's what I thought! Dorayme said they were "magnificent" (-and
> watch her bitch about the capital "d",) but that looks more like a
> rather flattened version of Jabba the Hutt. From vague memories in
> the past, I believed they were butt-ugly but couldn't picture any.

That photo represents what I've seen in aquaria. Which is why I knew it
would be a good adjunct to my Usenet Improvement Project.

ANNC (first): I'm splitting my GG page (see sig) into four or five
shorter ones and moving it/them to improve-usenet.org, which I just
acquired. I'd like a more cosmetic little site than my
bare-bones-by-intent blinkynet site, albeit it'll still be a quick load
on dialup, as my commitment to be snappy even on a slow connection has
never wavered. Hafta look at some templates or something as a start on
deciding what to do.


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

wayne wrote:
> David Dorward wrote:
>> On Jul 9, 3:55 am, wayne wrote:
>>> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>>
>>>> There are lots of bad books on them. Besides, reading is not
>>>> enough; comprehension is required. You have already demonstrated
>>>> that you didn't learn much. You would need a good book on basics.
>>> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and
>>> xhtml?
>>
>> He is AN authority on those subjects thanks to years of experience,
>> study and participation in the community.
>>
>> You, on the other hand, I've never heard of.
>>
>> -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/
>
> That's OK, I've never heard of you either! ;)

Why would you have? You just came in the door. As for me, for a few
years I used some software David wrote.


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:19:57
GMT dorayme scribed:

>> So all that means exactly what with regard to my number?
>
> It means that your figure is wrong, either because it is
> impossible to cross the desert in so low a mileage (you make an
> error in your reasoning if you did not simply pluck a number off
> a shelf - see my previous post on this) or so high a figure (you
> simply gave up before considering deeper issues).
>
> Now, if you do not understand these last remarks of mine, it is a
> safe bet you will never solve the more complicated problem of
> understanding the logistics involved in the desert. So, for now,
> I want you to concentrate heavily on these last remarks of mine.
> Loll them about in that xenophobic, sexist, javascript loving
> brain of yours.

:) Good one.

> Now there is a thought, Boji! Javascript. You could cheat and
> write a program to get the result or very close to it. You know,
> I used to solve problems like this in Basic when I worked my SE
> and SE30. It was a lot of fun. I "solved" some of the other bin
> Hassad puzzles this way. You make a model suitable for a program
> and run it. I did that successfully, if I recall, with
>
> > l>
>
> and I think with
>
> > r.html>

I have done some similar stuff with javascript but rarely have the
patience for non-code related items like puzzlers, etc.

> But the desert would be trickier to program for. However,
> personal computers are pretty powerful these days and you might
> get something half sensible by sheer number crunching. (That is
> basically what chess computers do - or did... they are getting
> smarter I hear)

I thought I *did* get something half sensible.

Anyway, I give up. Oh, it's a good puzzle and all that, but some of us
don't have the time to while away on it between sheep shearings.

--
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A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:27:36
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

> Neredbojias wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:54:51 GMT El Kabong scribed:
>>
>>> Or maybe he's just feeling inferior due to a perceived sexual
>>> inadequacy and is making feeble attempts at improving his low
>>> self-esteem by belittling others.
>>
>> Well, I'd say he's human and testy sometimes. Even crass
>> occasionally. But so what? I am, too, and it's okay to fight back
>> with at least a modicum of decorum, but when the dialogue degrades to
>> cussin', there ain't no dialogue.
>
> Band name! Modicum of Decorum
>
>:)

My all-time fav band name is "Garbage". But don't trash it!

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

"wayne" wrote in message
news:EbBki.5454$rR.3816@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> David Dorward wrote:

>> You, on the other hand, I've never heard of.
>>
>> --
>> David Dorward
>> http://dorward.me.uk/
>> http://blog.dorward.me.uk/
>>
>
> That's OK, I've never heard of you either! ;)
>
> BTW, your sig is broken the space after -- is missing.

No, it's not.

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
wayne wrote:

> My belief is one should not attack anyone, that is what prompted my
> outburst.

Hang on a mo... you some sort of pacifist? My policy is to wait
(fervently) for the slightest indication of disrespect and then
to ... to... well... you know.... Pow! Biff! Whack!

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:26:29 GMT
Jonathan N. Little scribed:

> dorayme wrote:
>> In article ,
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>
>>> "there". "their" is a possessive, as in "it's their new car".
>>
>> You sure about this?
>>
> Yup. *it's* contraction of *it is* and *their* is the possessive form of
> *they*. Seems correct to me.

But down on the farm we say "It's they's new car." Seems more standards-
compliant, do not it?

--
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A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article ,
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
> > In article ,
> > Blinky the Shark wrote:
> >
> >> "there". "their" is a possessive, as in "it's their new car".
> >
> > You sure about this?
> >
> Yup. *it's* contraction of *it is* and *their* is the possessive form of
> *they*. Seems correct to me.

You are getting close but not quite there, JL.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:10:09 GMT
> Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
> >>>> Don't forget, a Grouper is a kind of fish, too. Who knows, this guy
> >>>> could be your second cousin...
> >>>
> >>> A Groper is a beautiful fish that I see all the time down at
> >>> Clovelly when swimming. The male is a magnificent powder blue,
> >>> the female is a sort of muddy green, it is about 3/4 metres long.
> >>> gorgeous things...
> >>
> >> Males are often magnificent with regard to females.
> >
> > But here's what groupers actually look like:
> >
> > http://blinkynet.net/comp/googlegrouper.html
> >
> > (...as linked from the main page shown in my sig.)
>
> That's what I thought! Dorayme said they were "magnificent" (-and watch
> her bitch about the capital "d",) but that looks more like a rather
> flattened version of Jabba the Hutt. From vague memories in the past, I
> believed they were butt-ugly but couldn't picture any.

It was because of your continued failure to understand about this
d business that I did not trust your spelling of "grouper" and
thought it referred to "groper" - (ignoring more obscene thoughts
that you are fond of)



has a nice pic of what I often see. I was not sure if there was
such a fish as a grouper, it seems that the ame is used:

"Groupers are fish of any of a number of genera in the subfamily
Epinephelinae of the family Serranidae, in the order Perciformes"

from Wiki.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

dorayme wrote:
> In article
> ,
> wayne wrote:
>
>> My belief is one should not attack anyone, that is what prompted my
>> outburst.
>
> Hang on a mo... you some sort of pacifist? My policy is to wait
> (fervently) for the slightest indication of disrespect and then
> to ... to... well... you know.... Pow! Biff! Whack!
>
Wait! I think I've seen pictures of you in that cute bikini and gold lasso!

--
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"Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:08:18
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:41:53 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>>
>>>> You misspelled "You have nothing to teach anyone, Google Grouper."
>>>> :)
>>>
>>> Don't forget, a Grouper is a kind of fish, too. Who knows, this guy
>>> could be your second cousin...
>>
>> You misspelled "dinner". :)
>
> You mean you'd actually eat a relative? For shame, Blinkadocious!

Like there are no cannibal cultures in humandom. :)

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:27:36
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:54:51 GMT El Kabong scribed:
>>>
>>>> Or maybe he's just feeling inferior due to a perceived sexual
>>>> inadequacy and is making feeble attempts at improving his low
>>>> self-esteem by belittling others.
>>>
>>> Well, I'd say he's human and testy sometimes. Even crass
>>> occasionally. But so what? I am, too, and it's okay to fight back
>>> with at least a modicum of decorum, but when the dialogue degrades to
>>> cussin', there ain't no dialogue.
>>
>> Band name! Modicum of Decorum
>>
>>:)
>
> My all-time fav band name is "Garbage". But don't trash it!

And there was a band in the '60s called The Trashmen.


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

rf wrote:
>
> "Jonathan N. Little" wrote in message
> news:a79bd$4692e055$40cba7c2$18752@NAXS.COM...
>> dorayme wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>>
>>>> "there". "their" is a possessive, as in "it's their new car".
>>>
>>> You sure about this?
>>>
>> Yup. *it's* contraction of *it is* and *their* is the possessive form of
>> *they*. Seems correct to me.
>
> Perhaps dorayme is thinking about the third flavour, as in:

Perhaps, once again, dorayme isn't thinking at all.


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

rf wrote:
>
> "wayne" wrote in message
> news:EbBki.5454$rR.3816@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> David Dorward wrote:
>
>>> You, on the other hand, I've never heard of.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Dorward
>>> http://dorward.me.uk/
>>> http://blog.dorward.me.uk/
>>>
>>
>> That's OK, I've never heard of you either! ;)
>>
>> BTW, your sig is broken the space after -- is missing.
>
> No, it's not.

Yes, David's sig was ill-formed, missing the space after the pair of
hyphens. Look at his (David's) post.


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:29:13
> GMT dorayme scribed:
>
> >> >> So all that means exactly what with regard to my number?
> >> >
> >> > It's too big. I can do better than 2000.
> >>
> >> I have no doubt you are correct, but how? I worked on this until I
> >> got migraine of the medulla and now I need some constructive
> >> assistance.
> >
> > Ben, I am begging you not to! You have already given him the clue
> > that it is a lower figure (something I was not prepared to do).
> > It is a clue because if you (who understands arcane things in the
> > css bible) can get a lower figure, it is likely to be lower
> > rather than higher.
>
> I *said* mine probably wasn't optimal. Get the wool outta your ears.

Boji, you have many illusions. So what if you said this? How does
it impact in the slightest way on what I said? So you said not
optimal. So what? Before Ben said what he said (and I do not
blame him at all considering I have hypnotic powers to counter
any ill effects on you) and before I hypnotised you, you poor
schmuck, you did not know if the real answer lay in the direction
of lower. It is irrelevant that you did not beforehand know the
direction.

I will ask you again, I want a sample of your brain for a few
tests that I have been perfecting in my office lab. Just a scoop
from near the lobes.

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

"Blinky the Shark" wrote in message
news:slrnf95rk7.pgv.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net...

> Yes, David's sig was ill-formed, missing the space after the pair of
> hyphens. Look at his (David's) post.

Correct.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article ,
"rf" wrote:

> "Jonathan N. Little" wrote in message
> news:a79bd$4692e055$40cba7c2$18752@NAXS.COM...
> > dorayme wrote:
> >> In article ,
> >> Blinky the Shark wrote:
> >>
> >>> "there". "their" is a possessive, as in "it's their new car".
> >>
> >> You sure about this?
> >>
> > Yup. *it's* contraction of *it is* and *their* is the possessive form of
> > *they*. Seems correct to me.
>
> Perhaps dorayme is thinking about the third flavour, as in:
>
> It's there, their new car, _they're_ about to open its doors. There, it's
> done, its doors're open.

Now this is getting closer.

Blinkey's was a lesson (see his "as in") on the use of the
apostrophe using a contraction example rather than one of
possession.

(rf, a couple of things, one of them a 'btw', making it hard to
know whether to use a

, an
or neither (what do the
standards say?):
• "doors're open"?
• Watch the
  tennis the other night?
)

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article ,
Blinky the Shark wrote:

> >> -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/
> >
> > That's OK, I've never heard of you either! ;)
>
> Why would you have? You just came in the door. As for me, for a few
> years I used some software David wrote.

And I have learnt from his work on centering and other things.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

rf wrote:
>
> "Blinky the Shark" wrote in message
> news:slrnf95rk7.pgv.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net...
>
>> Yes, David's sig was ill-formed, missing the space after the pair of
>> hyphens. Look at his (David's) post.
>
> Correct.

It's not nearly as much fun when you snip the part where you claimed it
was *not* ill-formed. :)


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Anyway, I give up. Oh, it's a good puzzle and all that, but some of us
> don't have the time to while away on it between sheep shearings.

Well, it is a bit hard. I won't give you the url to my best stab
at it because you would not have the time or patience to read it.
it is a bit long.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article ,
Blinky the Shark wrote:

> > Perhaps dorayme is thinking about the third flavour, as in:
>
> Perhaps, once again, dorayme isn't thinking at all.

Perhaps Blinky should think about this again.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

"dorayme" wrote in message
news:doraymeRidThis-ADA6E5.12420710072007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
> In article ,
> "rf" wrote:
>
>> "Jonathan N. Little" wrote in message
>> news:a79bd$4692e055$40cba7c2$18752@NAXS.COM...
>> > dorayme wrote:
>> >> In article ,
>> >> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> "there". "their" is a possessive, as in "it's their new car".
>> >>
>> >> You sure about this?
>> >>
>> > Yup. *it's* contraction of *it is* and *their* is the possessive form
>> > of
>> > *they*. Seems correct to me.
>>
>> Perhaps dorayme is thinking about the third flavour, as in:
>>
>> It's there, their new car, _they're_ about to open its doors. There, it's
>> done, its doors're open.
>
> Now this is getting closer.
>
> Blinkey's was a lesson (see his "as in") on the use of the
> apostrophe using a contraction example rather than one of
> possession.

What?

> (rf, a couple of things, one of them a 'btw', making it hard to
> know whether to use a

, an
or neither (what do the standards
> say?):


I would lean for
The two items are totally unrelated to each other so,
unordered. Ordered seems to imply a sequence that would not make sense if
the "order" were to be changed.

1. Open care door.
2. Enter car.
3. Drive off to the tennis.

Change the order and the list does not usually make sense.

However, one can watch tennis without any specific requirement to have the
door open, or not. The items can occur in any order, as in:

Open the home theatre door,
Watch the tennis.

Watch the tennis, while we...
Open the fridge door for another tinnie.

>
• "doors're open"?


What?

Its doors are open.


• Watch the
  > tennis the other night?


s/night/nights
Of course. When it wasn't raining. Bloody phoms. Why do they hold Wimbledon
in the rainy season. Just like those damn Americans. They hold their
Christmas in the middle of winter when every airport in the country is
snowed in. Happened to us a couple of years ago. Had to dig out the barbie
and the beers nearly froze :-(

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

rf wrote:
>
> "dorayme" wrote in message
> news:doraymeRidThis-ADA6E5.12420710072007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
>> In article ,
>> "rf" wrote:
>>
>>> "Jonathan N. Little" wrote in message
>>> news:a79bd$4692e055$40cba7c2$18752@NAXS.COM...
>>> > dorayme wrote:
>>> >> In article ,
>>> >> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> "there". "their" is a possessive, as in "it's their new car".
>>> >>
>>> >> You sure about this?
>>> >>
>>> > Yup. *it's* contraction of *it is* and *their* is the possessive form
>>> > of
>>> > *they*. Seems correct to me.
>>>
>>> Perhaps dorayme is thinking about the third flavour, as in:
>>>
>>> It's there, their new car, _they're_ about to open its doors. There, it's
>>> done, its doors're open.
>>
>> Now this is getting closer.
>>
>> Blinkey's was a lesson (see his "as in") on the use of the
>> apostrophe using a contraction example rather than one of
>> possession.
>
> What?

Someone's just being dense. My example "it's their car" uses the
posessive "their", just as it should.


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article ,
"rf" wrote:

> > Blinkey's was a lesson (see his "as in") on the use of the
> > apostrophe using a contraction example rather than one of
> > possession.
>
> What?

I just saw the OP seeing the ' in the contraction and getting
confused by the lesson. Let's leave it be.

> > (rf, a couple of things, one of them a 'btw', making it hard to
> > know whether to use a

, an
or neither (what do the standards
> > say?):
>
>
> I would lean for
The two items are totally unrelated to each other so,
> unordered.

That's the way I leaned. There is something more about an ol (not
in your bedtime reading rf) than its parts. There is a sense that
it counts as well as orders. Since I was making a point of having
a couple of points for you...

o never mind... time to stop talking rubbish, my work is done for
the day and the sun is up at last and maybe I will go see if that
groper is there.

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

wayne wrote:
> Bergamot wrote:
>>
>> This is an international group. It is considered rude to pick on English
>> spelling and grammar errors, since English is not native to many posters
>> here, including some regulars.
>
> My belief is one should not attack anyone, that is what prompted my
> outburst.

Personal attacks are never acceptable. Attacks on your code or your
ideas are not meant to be personal. And we do attack those around here
on a regular basis. Learn the difference.

> How long should one "lurk" before posting?

As long as it takes. How's that for vague? :) I recall lurking for a
couple months before my first post. That was many years ago, btw.

> How does the group regulars
> determine if one has pulled out enough hair searching for an answer?

How much hair you may have lost isn't our problem. Remember that we are
under no obligation to help you.

If you show some aptitude for learning, you'll get a better response
from the regulars. Leaving any (undeserved) superior attitude at the
door goes a long way, too.

--
Berg

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Bergamot wrote:
>
> If you show some aptitude for learning, you'll get a better response
> from the regulars. Leaving any (undeserved) superior attitude at the
> door goes a long way, too.

For me, the "undeserved" is extraneous. I don't enjoy a superior
attitude no matter what. _Knowledgable_ is fine, _superior_ turns me off
(including from Finns or those who have fins :-) ).

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

John Hosking wrote:
> Bergamot wrote:
>>
>> If you show some aptitude for learning, you'll get a better response
>> from the regulars. Leaving any (undeserved) superior attitude at the
>> door goes a long way, too.
>
> For me, the "undeserved" is extraneous. I don't enjoy a superior
> attitude no matter what. _Knowledgable_ is fine, _superior_ turns me off
> (including from Finns or those who have fins :-) ).

Right. Now drop and give me forty. :)


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:50:48 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

> Neredbojias wrote:
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:11:44
>> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>
>>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:18:02 GMT wayne scribed:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and
>>>>>>> xhtml?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just curious: would you like a little contest between Jukka and
>>>>>> yourself to see who knows more about the subject?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't claim to be an expert6, why don't you butt out.
>>>>
>>>> If sharks swim backwards, they die of fart-poisoning.
>>>
>>> Or because our gills don't function with that direction of motion.
>>
>> I was born with gills that didn't function in any direction so they
>> atrophied.
>
> Once more, ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.

That's what I always say.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:50:48 GMT
> Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:11:44
>>> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>>
>>>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:18:02 GMT wayne scribed:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just curious, but what makes you THE authority on html, css, and
>>>>>>>> xhtml?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just curious: would you like a little contest between Jukka and
>>>>>>> yourself to see who knows more about the subject?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't claim to be an expert6, why don't you butt out.
>>>>>
>>>>> If sharks swim backwards, they die of fart-poisoning.
>>>>
>>>> Or because our gills don't function with that direction of motion.
>>>
>>> I was born with gills that didn't function in any direction so they
>>> atrophied.
>>
>> Once more, ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.
>
> That's what I always say.

Yeah? Well, I have the tattoo. :)

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:25:24
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>> Perhaps dorayme is thinking about the third flavour, as in:
>
> Perhaps, once again, dorayme isn't thinking at all.

That would be my guess.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:58:54 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:


>>>> Males are often magnificent with regard to females.
>>>
>>> But here's what groupers actually look like:
>>>
>>> http://blinkynet.net/comp/googlegrouper.html
>>>
>>> (...as linked from the main page shown in my sig.)
>>
>> That's what I thought! Dorayme said they were "magnificent" (-and
>> watch her bitch about the capital "d",) but that looks more like a
>> rather flattened version of Jabba the Hutt. From vague memories in
>> the past, I believed they were butt-ugly but couldn't picture any.
>
> That photo represents what I've seen in aquaria. Which is why I knew it
> would be a good adjunct to my Usenet Improvement Project.
>
> ANNC (first): I'm splitting my GG page (see sig) into four or five
> shorter ones and moving it/them to improve-usenet.org, which I just
> acquired. I'd like a more cosmetic little site than my
> bare-bones-by-intent blinkynet site, albeit it'll still be a quick load
> on dialup, as my commitment to be snappy even on a slow connection has
> never wavered. Hafta look at some templates or something as a start on
> deciding what to do.

That not only sounds pleasantly interesting but a good idea as well. You
could include more usenet-pertinent themes such as commenting on the
tranquilizing effects of tennis discussion and suggesting that posters be
at least semi-well-versed in their primary language of babble.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:16:36
GMT dorayme scribed:

>> >>> A Groper is a beautiful fish that I see all the time down at
>> >>> Clovelly when swimming. The male is a magnificent powder blue,
>> >>> the female is a sort of muddy green, it is about 3/4 metres long.
>> >>> gorgeous things...
>> >>
>> >> Males are often magnificent with regard to females.
>> >
>> > But here's what groupers actually look like:
>> >
>> > http://blinkynet.net/comp/googlegrouper.html
>> >
>> > (...as linked from the main page shown in my sig.)
>>
>> That's what I thought! Dorayme said they were "magnificent" (-and
>> watch her bitch about the capital "d",) but that looks more like a
>> rather flattened version of Jabba the Hutt. From vague memories in
>> the past, I believed they were butt-ugly but couldn't picture any.
>
> It was because of your continued failure to understand about this
> d business that I did not trust your spelling of "grouper" and
> thought it referred to "groper" - (ignoring more obscene thoughts
> that you are fond of)

Not fair! I had a good joke all prepared.

>
>
> has a nice pic of what I often see. I was not sure if there was
> such a fish as a grouper, it seems that the ame is used:

Yes, although they look rather primitive even for fishes, *gropers* are
attractive. Interesting to note, however, that the female blue groper is
colored a rather faded orange. I wonder if that makes her as neurotic as
other females I've run across online?

> "Groupers are fish of any of a number of genera in the subfamily
> Epinephelinae of the family Serranidae, in the order Perciformes"
>
> from Wiki.

That clarifies it beautifully except for the question of whether the
soft-rayed portions of the Perciformes' posterior fins were partially or
completely separated.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:22:56 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>>> Don't forget, a Grouper is a kind of fish, too. Who knows, this guy
>>>> could be your second cousin...
>>>
>>> You misspelled "dinner". :)
>>
>> You mean you'd actually eat a relative? For shame, Blinkadocious!
>
> Like there are no cannibal cultures in humandom. :)

Yes, but we've civilized the tradition in ways too profound to mention in
casual company.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007
> 01:58:54 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>
>>>>> Males are often magnificent with regard to females.
>>>>
>>>> But here's what groupers actually look like:
>>>>
>>>> http://blinkynet.net/comp/googlegrouper.html
>>>>
>>>> (...as linked from the main page shown in my sig.)
>>>
>>> That's what I thought! Dorayme said they were "magnificent" (-and
>>> watch her bitch about the capital "d",) but that looks more like a
>>> rather flattened version of Jabba the Hutt. From vague memories in
>>> the past, I believed they were butt-ugly but couldn't picture any.
>>
>> That photo represents what I've seen in aquaria. Which is why I knew
>> it would be a good adjunct to my Usenet Improvement Project.
>>
>> ANNC (first): I'm splitting my GG page (see sig) into four or five
>> shorter ones and moving it/them to improve-usenet.org, which I just

I do come up first at the current location on a Google for (as phrase or
individual strings) "usenet improvement". Without trying. :)

>> acquired. I'd like a more cosmetic little site than my
>> bare-bones-by-intent blinkynet site, albeit it'll still be a quick
>> load on dialup, as my commitment to be snappy even on a slow
>> connection has never wavered. Hafta look at some templates or
>> something as a start on deciding what to do.
>
> That not only sounds pleasantly interesting but a good idea as well.
> You could include more usenet-pertinent themes such as commenting on
> the tranquilizing effects of tennis discussion and suggesting that
> posters be at least semi-well-versed in their primary language of
> babble.

I'm not even convinced I need three columns. But I'll probably find a
way to complicate things before I'm done. :)


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:22:56 GMT
> Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>>> Don't forget, a Grouper is a kind of fish, too. Who knows, this guy
>>>>> could be your second cousin...
>>>>
>>>> You misspelled "dinner". :)
>>>
>>> You mean you'd actually eat a relative? For shame, Blinkadocious!
>>
>> Like there are no cannibal cultures in humandom. :)
>
> Yes, but we've civilized the tradition in ways too profound to mention in
> casual company.

You misspelled "But most of us are in denial about them." ;)


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:29:56 GMT
dorayme scribed:


>> > Ben, I am begging you not to! You have already given him the clue
>> > that it is a lower figure (something I was not prepared to do).
>> > It is a clue because if you (who understands arcane things in the
>> > css bible) can get a lower figure, it is likely to be lower
>> > rather than higher.
>>
>> I *said* mine probably wasn't optimal. Get the wool outta your ears.
>
> Boji, you have many illusions. So what if you said this? How does
> it impact in the slightest way on what I said? So you said not
> optimal. So what? Before Ben said what he said (and I do not
> blame him at all considering I have hypnotic powers to counter
> any ill effects on you) and before I hypnotised you, you poor
> schmuck, you did not know if the real answer lay in the direction
> of lower.

Well, Duh!, it could hardly be higher now, could it? The only other
possibility was right on the head, which didn't seem particularly likely
for a first attempt.

> I will ask you again, I want a sample of your brain for a few
> tests that I have been perfecting in my office lab. Just a scoop
> from near the lobes.

It will do you no good because brain cells are not transferable. Try some
antioxidants while breathing from a cannister of 70% O2 and take plenty of
vitamin E.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:

> That clarifies it beautifully except for the question of whether the
> soft-rayed portions of the Perciformes' posterior fins were partially or
> completely separated.

Mmmmmmm...posterior fins completely separated. I so horny. ;)


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:02:54 GMT
dorayme scribed:

> In article
> ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> Anyway, I give up. Oh, it's a good puzzle and all that, but some of us
>> don't have the time to while away on it between sheep shearings.
>
> Well, it is a bit hard. I won't give you the url to my best stab
> at it because you would not have the time or patience to read it.
> it is a bit long.

That's okay. I expected nothing less perverse from the mistress of
miscogenation, anyway.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:23:48 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>> Band name! Modicum of Decorum
>>>
>>>:)
>>
>> My all-time fav band name is "Garbage". But don't trash it!
>
> And there was a band in the '60s called The Trashmen.

The Trashmen... I _believe_ they did a song called "The Bird is the Word",
-a repetitous affair which nevertheless was catchy and became quite
popular. Wait - let me Google...

Yep, "The Bird's The Word", and some others. You're pretty old for a fish
(-although sharks live a long time, don't they?)

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:23:48 GMT
> Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>> Band name! Modicum of Decorum
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>
>>> My all-time fav band name is "Garbage". But don't trash it!
>>
>> And there was a band in the '60s called The Trashmen.
>
> The Trashmen... I _believe_ they did a song called "The Bird is the Word",

I remember it as "Surfin' Bird" -- the rock and roll band I and some
friends started up played it. In practice -- before we could get
presentable some of us (not me) flunked/dropped out of school and got
drafted.

> -a repetitous affair which nevertheless was catchy and became quite
> popular. Wait - let me Google...
>
> Yep, "The Bird's The Word", and some others. You're pretty old for a fish

I remember that as a refrain in "Surfin' Bird".

My Billboard Top 40 Book credits them with two on the chart:

1. Surfin' Bird late 1963 Reached # 4
2. Bird Dance Beat early 1964 Reached #30

> (-although sharks live a long time, don't they?)

I turned 60 last month.

New photo in the Misc album at the Yahoo AFCA thing; its relevance is that
it was taken in 1967. These kids got nuthin' on me. :)


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Neredbojias wrote:

>> (-although sharks live a long time, don't they?)
>
> I turned 60 last month.
>
> New photo in the Misc album at the Yahoo AFCA thing; its relevance is that
> it was taken in 1967. These kids got nuthin' on me. :)

Ignore that Yahoo ref -- I thought I was posting to another group. :)

But here's the photo, if I gotcher curiosity up:

http://blinkynet.net/stuff/summer67.jpg


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On 2007-07-09, dorayme wrote:
> In article
>,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:23:54 GMT
>> Ben C scribed:
>>
>> >> So all that means exactly what with regard to my number?
>> >
>> > It's too big. I can do better than 2000.
>>
>> I have no doubt you are correct, but how? I worked on this until I got
>> migraine of the medulla and now I need some constructive assistance.
>
> Ben, I am begging you not to! You have already given him the clue
> that it is a lower figure (something I was not prepared to do).

I don't know the answer anyway, I just stumbled on something lower than
2000. But I shall say no more about it.

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:34:12
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>>> I was born with gills that didn't function in any direction so they
>>>> atrophied.
>>>
>>> Once more, ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.
>>
>> That's what I always say.
>
> Yeah? Well, I have the tattoo. :)

I never saw a tattooed shark,
I never 'spect to see one,
But I can tell you, anyhow,
I'd rather see than be one.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:18:44
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> That clarifies it beautifully except for the question of whether the
>> soft-rayed portions of the Perciformes' posterior fins were partially
>> or completely separated.
>
> Mmmmmmm...posterior fins completely separated. I so horny. ;)

The law of the sea is clear. Better stick to your own kind or you might
end up in a can...

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:16:48
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

> Neredbojias wrote:
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007
>> 02:22:56 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>
>>>>>> Don't forget, a Grouper is a kind of fish, too. Who knows, this
>>>>>> guy could be your second cousin...
>>>>>
>>>>> You misspelled "dinner". :)
>>>>
>>>> You mean you'd actually eat a relative? For shame, Blinkadocious!
>>>
>>> Like there are no cannibal cultures in humandom. :)
>>
>> Yes, but we've civilized the tradition in ways too profound to
>> mention in casual company.
>
> You misspelled "But most of us are in denial about them." ;)

Only in prudish company.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:58:25
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>> The Trashmen... I _believe_ they did a song called "The Bird is the
>> Word",
>
> I remember it as "Surfin' Bird" -- the rock and roll band I and some
> friends started up played it. In practice -- before we could get
> presentable some of us (not me) flunked/dropped out of school and got
> drafted.

I got drafted, too, but drifted back.

>> -a repetitous affair which nevertheless was catchy and became quite
>> popular. Wait - let me Google...
>>
>> Yep, "The Bird's The Word", and some others. You're pretty old for a
>> fish
>
> I remember that as a refrain in "Surfin' Bird".
>
> My Billboard Top 40 Book credits them with two on the chart:
>
> 1. Surfin' Bird late 1963 Reached # 4
> 2. Bird Dance Beat early 1964 Reached #30

Surfin' bird?? Don't recall anything about surfing in the song. It was
actually referring to "the" finger.

>> (-although sharks live a long time, don't they?)
>
> I turned 60 last month.

Gawd! You must be almost as prehistoric as dorayme. Hey, is that why
you're a fish? No dry land around when you were born?

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:04:18
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>>> (-although sharks live a long time, don't they?)
>>
>> I turned 60 last month.
>>
>> New photo in the Misc album at the Yahoo AFCA thing; its relevance is
>> that it was taken in 1967. These kids got nuthin' on me. :)
>
> Ignore that Yahoo ref -- I thought I was posting to another group. :)
>
> But here's the photo, if I gotcher curiosity up:
>
> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/summer67.jpg

He he, skateboard and all. And is that a beard under your chin or just
shadowing? Well, to be honest, I remember them halcyon days with great
halcyonity. Wouldn't want to live through them again, mind you, but they
were...different. It was the beginning of the loss of simplicity. Good
thing there are some Australians around to preserve it.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> John Hosking wrote:
>> Bergamot wrote:
>>> If you show some aptitude for learning, you'll get a better response
>>> from the regulars. Leaving any (undeserved) superior attitude at the
>>> door goes a long way, too.
>> For me, the "undeserved" is extraneous. I don't enjoy a superior
>> attitude no matter what. _Knowledgable_ is fine, _superior_ turns me off
>> (including from Finns or those who have fins :-) ).
>
> Right. Now drop and give me forty. :)

Sir! I mean, Shark! Yes, Shark!

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>>> (-although sharks live a long time, don't they?)
>> I turned 60 last month.
>>
>
> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/summer67.jpg

Neat! I mean, cool, man! That's boss!

A real skateboard, with real wheels! Are those the metal ones?

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:34:12
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>>> I was born with gills that didn't function in any direction so they
>>>>> atrophied.
>>>>
>>>> Once more, ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.
>>>
>>> That's what I always say.
>>
>> Yeah? Well, I have the tattoo. :)
>
> I never saw a tattooed shark,
> I never 'spect to see one,
> But I can tell you, anyhow,
> I'd rather see than be one.

One of my favorite tats (for humans):

http://www.thehumorarchives.com/attachment/421/rude007.jpg

(No, I don't know if it's real.)

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:58:25
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>> The Trashmen... I _believe_ they did a song called "The Bird is the
>>> Word",
>>
>> I remember it as "Surfin' Bird" -- the rock and roll band I and some
>> friends started up played it. In practice -- before we could get
>> presentable some of us (not me) flunked/dropped out of school and got
>> drafted.
>
> I got drafted, too, but drifted back.
>
>>> -a repetitous affair which nevertheless was catchy and became quite
>>> popular. Wait - let me Google...
>>>
>>> Yep, "The Bird's The Word", and some others. You're pretty old for a
>>> fish
>>
>> I remember that as a refrain in "Surfin' Bird".
>>
>> My Billboard Top 40 Book credits them with two on the chart:
>>
>> 1. Surfin' Bird late 1963 Reached # 4
>> 2. Bird Dance Beat early 1964 Reached #30
>
> Surfin' bird?? Don't recall anything about surfing in the song. It was
> actually referring to "the" finger.

Nothing about surfing required. name =/= lyrics

"59th Street Bridge" does not appear in the lyrics of "59th Street
Bridge Song", either.

>>> (-although sharks live a long time, don't they?)
>>
>> I turned 60 last month.
>
> Gawd! You must be almost as prehistoric as dorayme. Hey, is that why
> you're a fish? No dry land around when you were born?

Sometime I'll tell you about when we all crawled out and started growing
legs.


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:04:18
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>
>>>> (-although sharks live a long time, don't they?)
>>>
>>> I turned 60 last month.
>>>
>>> New photo in the Misc album at the Yahoo AFCA thing; its relevance is
>>> that it was taken in 1967. These kids got nuthin' on me. :)
>>
>> Ignore that Yahoo ref -- I thought I was posting to another group. :)
>>
>> But here's the photo, if I gotcher curiosity up:
>>
>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/summer67.jpg
>
> He he, skateboard and all. And is that a beard under your chin or just
> shadowing? Well, to be honest, I remember them halcyon days with great

Shadow.

> halcyonity. Wouldn't want to live through them again, mind you, but they
> were...different. It was the beginning of the loss of simplicity. Good
> thing there are some Australians around to preserve it.

I think I would, given the opportunity.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

John Hosking wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>
>>>> (-although sharks live a long time, don't they?)
>>> I turned 60 last month.
>>>
>>
>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/summer67.jpg
>
> Neat! I mean, cool, man! That's boss!
>
> A real skateboard, with real wheels! Are those the metal ones?

We built our own; they hadn't yet appeared in the stores when I started
skateboarding. That one had a mahogany top inlaid with center
stripe/stringer of a light wood the type of which I don't remember. We
got the trucks and wheels from the local roller rink -- they were from
cast-off rental skate boots. The wheels were sort of a flesh-colored
vinyl. I don't undertand the miniwheels the kids use today. Seems like
one little pebble would grind them to a halt. I guess that's the
difference between boarding then and now. We used the streets and
dogded pot holes. We didn't use them - ever - as sidewalk
transporation. We looked for big hills and rode them to show our
cojones.

The local Big Hill was a short steep footpath from the local community
college to its parking lot below. One of us was clocked on that hill,
from a bike with a speedometer, at 35MPH. And the path was rough, so
the vibrations once you got up to speed tended to shake-slide your feet
right off the front end of the board. The college was right next to the
hospital where I was born, and the ER saw some of the injuries from that
hill. Yes, I rode that one successfully once - of scores of tries -
and, having proved myself (I had a witness), never again. :)


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:25:24
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
> >> Perhaps dorayme is thinking about the third flavour, as in:
> >
> > Perhaps, once again, dorayme isn't thinking at all.
>
> That would be my guess.

Which just shows how stupid you and Blinky really are. My problem
is not not thinking. It is inappropriate thinking at times. It is
stupidity, haste of observation, a motor mouth, and many other
things, but never not thinking.

So you two, get stuffed!

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Interesting to note, however, that the female blue groper is
> colored a rather faded orange.

As I said, the females I see are more a greeny colour, not so
nice. My god how lovely is the male though.

Come down for a snorkel. I would like to see the fear on your
face as we both jumped into the bay, knowing all the horrid
things you have said to me for ages and knowing that under the
water, I might have fitted out Officer Bud White in Navy Seals
operational gear (complete with weaponry) with certain
instructions and none of them as gentle as css ones.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> ell, Duh!, it could hardly be higher now, could it? The only other
> possibility was right on the head, which didn't seem particularly likely
> for a first attempt.

Look here, what is the matter with you. Read my words carefully.
Go back and see how I said it could be higher, how you might have
made a mistake in reasoning or figuring. Is that not possible at
all (in the absence of any knowledge of the true solution)?

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> > Well, it is a bit hard. I won't give you the url to my best stab
> > at it because you would not have the time or patience to read it.
> > it is a bit long.
>
> That's okay. I expected nothing less perverse from the mistress of
> miscogenation, anyway.

Don't be like that. I know, Boji, you _would_ like to take a peek
at a set piece of my foolish ravings. Think of it, not just a few
remarks here and there but a whole tract of it. How the hell can
you resist?

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:03:16 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>> Yeah? Well, I have the tattoo. :)
>>
>> I never saw a tattooed shark,
>> I never 'spect to see one,
>> But I can tell you, anyhow,
>> I'd rather see than be one.
>
> One of my favorite tats (for humans):
>
> http://www.thehumorarchives.com/attachment/421/rude007.jpg
>
> (No, I don't know if it's real.)

Here's my fav (-again, for humans.)

http://tinyurl.com/3bf27k

I really admire the needle work...

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:10:35 GMT
dorayme scribed:

> In article
> ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:25:24
>> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>
>> >> Perhaps dorayme is thinking about the third flavour, as in:
>> >
>> > Perhaps, once again, dorayme isn't thinking at all.
>>
>> That would be my guess.
>
> Which just shows how stupid you and Blinky really are. My problem
> is not not thinking. It is inappropriate thinking at times. It is
> stupidity, haste of observation, a motor mouth, and many other
> things, but never not thinking.
>
> So you two, get stuffed!

Yes, ma'am!

(I like it when you're feisty. Brings out the woman in you.)

Just to clarify, I don't think you're stupid at all. Hasty and motor
mouthy perhaps, but lack of brains is hardly a problem. Could be you just
need a visit from Luigi to set you back on the, uh, straight and narrow.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:16:58 GMT
dorayme scribed:

> In article
> ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> Interesting to note, however, that the female blue groper is
>> colored a rather faded orange.
>
> As I said, the females I see are more a greeny colour, not so
> nice. My god how lovely is the male though.

He's blue. If you like blue, hold your breath and look in a mirror.

> Come down for a snorkel. I would like to see the fear on your
> face as we both jumped into the bay, knowing all the horrid
> things you have said to me for ages and knowing that under the
> water, I might have fitted out Officer Bud White in Navy Seals
> operational gear (complete with weaponry) with certain
> instructions and none of them as gentle as css ones.

I've already got a snorkel. Nevertheless, thanks for extending the invite
but aeroplanes and me don't get along. It's not fear of, it's the oxygen-
deprivation factor. Taking a schooner is an option but that's slow,
expensive, and I might run into Blinky on the way when he's in a bad mood.

Btw, what "horrid things"? I feel like I've been the perfect gentleman at
all times except when certain female critters are trying to hornswaggle me
with their vile, deceptive ways.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:21:01
GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article
> ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> ell, Duh!, it could hardly be higher now, could it? The only other
>> possibility was right on the head, which didn't seem particularly
>> likely for a first attempt.
>
> Look here, what is the matter with you. Read my words carefully.
> Go back and see how I said it could be higher, how you might have
> made a mistake in reasoning or figuring. Is that not possible at
> all (in the absence of any knowledge of the true solution)?

How could it possibly be higher when my calculations proved a maximum of
2000? I would not have posted the figure if there were any chance at all
of it being erroneous (-as a maximum.) Do you think I'm a ditz or what?

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:23:54 GMT
dorayme scribed:

> In article
> ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> > Well, it is a bit hard. I won't give you the url to my best stab
>> > at it because you would not have the time or patience to read it.
>> > it is a bit long.
>>
>> That's okay. I expected nothing less perverse from the mistress of
>> miscogenation, anyway.
>
> Don't be like that. I know, Boji, you _would_ like to take a peek
> at a set piece of my foolish ravings. Think of it, not just a few
> remarks here and there but a whole tract of it. How the hell can
> you resist?

You're just trying to throw me, uh, off tract. Well, I'm not *that* easy,
babe! ('Cept sometimes when I'm drunk.)

I have a whole sequence of logic, too, for my solution which would be
pretty difficult to render comprehensive on paper (or -line.) Bet you
wouldn't mind taking a gander at that yourself, m'dame. Now, being of a
intrinsically forgiving nature, I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:08:12
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>> He he, skateboard and all. And is that a beard under your chin or
>> just shadowing? Well, to be honest, I remember them halcyon days
>> with great
>
> Shadow.

Aww... Hell, I couldn't grow a decent beard to save my soul in them days.
Always envied men like Rutherford B. Hayes and King Vultan.

>> halcyonity. Wouldn't want to live through them again, mind you, but
>> they were...different. It was the beginning of the loss of
>> simplicity. Good thing there are some Australians around to preserve
>> it.
>
> I think I would, given the opportunity.

Things seem simpler in youth. I don't think the *times* were particularly
better than they are now but the asymmetrical curve of good-and-evil may
have wavered a bit.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:07:23
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>> Surfin' bird?? Don't recall anything about surfing in the song. It
>> was actually referring to "the" finger.
>
> Nothing about surfing required. name =/= lyrics
>
> "59th Street Bridge" does not appear in the lyrics of "59th Street
> Bridge Song", either.

Well, the context-differential of each is arguable, but - groovy.

>>>> (-although sharks live a long time, don't they?)
>>>
>>> I turned 60 last month.
>>
>> Gawd! You must be almost as prehistoric as dorayme. Hey, is that
>> why you're a fish? No dry land around when you were born?
>
> Sometime I'll tell you about when we all crawled out and started
> growing legs.

Great. I have a few growing-leg stories of my own I could narrate.

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Taking a schooner is an option but that's slow,
> expensive,

Depends on how fast you drink it and if you made it yourself or
not.

> I feel like I've been the perfect gentleman at
> all times except when certain female critters are trying to hornswaggle me
> with their vile, deceptive ways.

You are never the perfect gent. I think you should stop babbling
and strutting about with all this male/female stuff. You need
more to do: if you cannot concentrate any longer on the desert,
try the silly non-puzzle puzzle called The Young Trader.

--
dorayme

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> How could it possibly be higher when my calculations proved a maximum of
> 2000? I would not have posted the figure if there were any chance at all
> of it being erroneous (-as a maximum.) Do you think I'm a ditz or what?

Of course not. I assume a ditz is something to do with
intelligence below a certain level, unlike schmuck which has more
to do with character? I know you are a schmuck.

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:03:16 GMT
> Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>> Yeah? Well, I have the tattoo. :)
>>>
>>> I never saw a tattooed shark,
>>> I never 'spect to see one,
>>> But I can tell you, anyhow,
>>> I'd rather see than be one.
>>
>> One of my favorite tats (for humans):
>>
>> http://www.thehumorarchives.com/attachment/421/rude007.jpg
>>
>> (No, I don't know if it's real.)
>
> Here's my fav (-again, for humans.)
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3bf27k
>
> I really admire the needle work...

Yeah. :)

I bailed about a minute into the unweildy-sized download.


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[OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007
> 19:08:12 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>> He he, skateboard and all. And is that a beard under your chin or
>>> just shadowing? Well, to be honest, I remember them halcyon days
>>> with great
>>
>> Shadow.
>
> Aww... Hell, I couldn't grow a decent beard to save my soul in them
> days. Always envied men like Rutherford B. Hayes and King Vultan.

My beard came later, in the early '70s. One of them was continuous for
22 years. And the day after I finally removed it, then, I started
growing it back and kept it for another several years. Today I'm down
to moustache and goatee.


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[OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:07:23
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>> Surfin' bird?? Don't recall anything about surfing in the song. It
>>> was actually referring to "the" finger.
>>
>> Nothing about surfing required. name =/= lyrics
>>
>> "59th Street Bridge" does not appear in the lyrics of "59th Street
>> Bridge Song", either.
>
> Well, the context-differential of each is arguable, but - groovy.
>
>>>>> (-although sharks live a long time, don't they?)
>>>>
>>>> I turned 60 last month.
>>>
>>> Gawd! You must be almost as prehistoric as dorayme. Hey, is that
>>> why you're a fish? No dry land around when you were born?
>>
>> Sometime I'll tell you about when we all crawled out and started
>> growing legs.
>
> Great. I have a few growing-leg stories of my own I could narrate.

No JPG! No JPG!


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On 2007-07-11, Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:03:16 GMT
> Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>> Yeah? Well, I have the tattoo. :)
>>>
>>> I never saw a tattooed shark,
>>> I never 'spect to see one,
>>> But I can tell you, anyhow,
>>> I'd rather see than be one.
>>
>> One of my favorite tats (for humans):
>>
>> http://www.thehumorarchives.com/attachment/421/rude007.jpg
>>
>> (No, I don't know if it's real.)
>
> Here's my fav (-again, for humans.)
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3bf27k

Much of Royo's work is compared to Renoir's, but that is closer to
Vargas!

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============================================================ =======
Author:
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:33:07
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>> One of my favorite tats (for humans):
>>>
>>> http://www.thehumorarchives.com/attachment/421/rude007.jpg
>>>
>>> (No, I don't know if it's real.)
>>
>> Here's my fav (-again, for humans.)
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/3bf27k
>>
>> I really admire the needle work...
>
> Yeah. :)
>
> I bailed about a minute into the unweildy-sized download.

Somehow the idea of a shark bailing strikes me as wierd.

--
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A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:26:33
GMT Chris F.A. Johnson scribed:

>> Here's my fav (-again, for humans.)
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/3bf27k
>
> Much of Royo's work is compared to Renoir's, but that is closer to
> Vargas!

Yep, I agree. I never considered him particularly "Renoiresque" but
perhaps the poses favored by the 2 artists are similar.

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:10:50
GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article
> ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> Taking a schooner is an option but that's slow,
>> expensive,
>
> Depends on how fast you drink it and if you made it yourself or
> not.

Hah hah.
<Groan>

>> I feel like I've been the perfect gentleman at
>> all times except when certain female critters are trying to
>> hornswaggle me with their vile, deceptive ways.
>
> You are never the perfect gent. I think you should stop babbling
> and strutting about with all this male/female stuff. You need
> more to do: if you cannot concentrate any longer on the desert,
> try the silly non-puzzle puzzle called The Young Trader.

I should try it knowing ahead of time that you won't provide any useful
feedback regarding my efforts? Yeah, right.

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:14:32
GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article
> ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> How could it possibly be higher when my calculations proved a maximum
>> of 2000? I would not have posted the figure if there were any chance
>> at all of it being erroneous (-as a maximum.) Do you think I'm a
>> ditz or what?
>
> Of course not. I assume a ditz is something to do with
> intelligence below a certain level, unlike schmuck which has more
> to do with character? I know you are a schmuck.

I gotta tell you this honestly and plain-out because you use that word so
freely. In Jewish circles, at least American Jewish circles, a schmuck
means a cocksucker. I trust that isn't what you mean because I believe you
have more class than that.

--
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A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:45:50 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>>> He he, skateboard and all. And is that a beard under your chin or
>>>> just shadowing? Well, to be honest, I remember them halcyon days
>>>> with great
>>>
>>> Shadow.
>>
>> Aww... Hell, I couldn't grow a decent beard to save my soul in them
>> days. Always envied men like Rutherford B. Hayes and King Vultan.
>
> My beard came later, in the early '70s. One of them was continuous for
> 22 years. And the day after I finally removed it, then, I started
> growing it back and kept it for another several years. Today I'm down
> to moustache and goatee.

Aw, hell, then you're nothing but a catfish with great expectations.
Wonder if you'd be any good fried?

--
Neredbojias
A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:26:33
> GMT Chris F.A. Johnson scribed:
>
> >> Here's my fav (-again, for humans.)
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/3bf27k
> >
> > Much of Royo's work is compared to Renoir's, but that is closer to
> > Vargas!
>
> Yep, I agree. I never considered him particularly "Renoiresque" but
> perhaps the poses favored by the 2 artists are similar.

Lots of artists like drawing and painting the backs of women. The
last I watched happening was when Greg Kinnear drew Helen Hunt's
in As Good as It Gets.

There are some fine studies of backs in photography too. The
one's that come to mind, apart from my modest collection, is one
of Man Ray's

&handle=li>

And a few others by him with some abstract qualities, via
solarization.

--
dorayme

Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:45:50 GMT
> Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>>> He he, skateboard and all. And is that a beard under your chin or
>>>>> just shadowing? Well, to be honest, I remember them halcyon days
>>>>> with great
>>>>
>>>> Shadow.
>>>
>>> Aww... Hell, I couldn't grow a decent beard to save my soul in them
>>> days. Always envied men like Rutherford B. Hayes and King Vultan.
>>
>> My beard came later, in the early '70s. One of them was continuous for
>> 22 years. And the day after I finally removed it, then, I started
>> growing it back and kept it for another several years. Today I'm down
>> to moustache and goatee.
>
> Aw, hell, then you're nothing but a catfish with great expectations.
> Wonder if you'd be any good fried?

Bring it on. Consider grilling, too!

Then die! :)


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article ,
Neredbojias wrote:

> >> I feel like I've been the perfect gentleman at
> >> all times except when certain female critters are trying to
> >> hornswaggle me with their vile, deceptive ways.
> >
> > You are never the perfect gent. I think you should stop babbling
> > and strutting about with all this male/female stuff. You need
> > more to do: if you cannot concentrate any longer on the desert,
> > try the silly non-puzzle puzzle called The Young Trader.
>
> I should try it knowing ahead of time that you won't provide any useful
> feedback regarding my efforts? Yeah, right.

No, I promise, I will give you as much feedback as you like if
you have trouble with that one. What trouble you would have is
hard to even imagine.

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:14:32
> GMT dorayme scribed:
>
> > In article
> > ,
> > Neredbojias wrote:
> >
> >> How could it possibly be higher when my calculations proved a maximum
> >> of 2000? I would not have posted the figure if there were any chance
> >> at all of it being erroneous (-as a maximum.) Do you think I'm a
> >> ditz or what?
> >
> > Of course not. I assume a ditz is something to do with
> > intelligence below a certain level, unlike schmuck which has more
> > to do with character? I know you are a schmuck.
>
> I gotta tell you this honestly and plain-out because you use that word so
> freely. In Jewish circles, at least American Jewish circles, a schmuck
> means a cocksucker. I trust that isn't what you mean because I believe you
> have more class than that.

Well now, it is not quite the meaning I had in mind. I suppose
you look at words from some rigid standard, you hear this word,
and you ferret out some information about some strict use of it
in some particular community and that is it for you.

But it is not how it is used generally by Jewish comedians, and
every one but the most boring and ignorant goy has a Jewish
comedian in them. Your interpretation and take on this is
ridiculous. So please don't be so honest with me. I beg you.

O and by the way, I have no class at all. And I know what Travis
would like me to say. But I resist. Being without class does not
mean there are no inhibitions at all.

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> I gotta tell you this honestly and plain-out because you use that word so
> freely. In Jewish circles, at least American Jewish circles, ...

Just a further thought.. if it really _does_ upset you, I won't
call you this. I have no desire to insult you too much. Can I
every now and again call you a schmuck... if I am careful to
limit the occasions?

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:49:30 GMT
dorayme scribed:

>> > Much of Royo's work is compared to Renoir's, but that is closer to
>> > Vargas!
>>
>> Yep, I agree. I never considered him particularly "Renoiresque" but
>> perhaps the poses favored by the 2 artists are similar.
>
> Lots of artists like drawing and painting the backs of women. The
> last I watched happening was when Greg Kinnear drew Helen Hunt's
> in As Good as It Gets.
>
> There are some fine studies of backs in photography too. The
> one's that come to mind, apart from my modest collection, is one
> of Man Ray's
>
> > &handle=li>
>
> And a few others by him with some abstract qualities, via
> solarization.

That was an interesting pic. ('Course the best part is the ass-crack.)

Never heard of Man Ray before. Wonder if he has anything in common with
Blinky?

You have a collection of backs? Also interesting... Any mirrored shots?

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:54:18 GMT
dorayme scribed:

>> > You are never the perfect gent. I think you should stop babbling
>> > and strutting about with all this male/female stuff. You need
>> > more to do: if you cannot concentrate any longer on the desert,
>> > try the silly non-puzzle puzzle called The Young Trader.
>>
>> I should try it knowing ahead of time that you won't provide any useful
>> feedback regarding my efforts? Yeah, right.
>
> No, I promise, I will give you as much feedback as you like if
> you have trouble with that one. What trouble you would have is
> hard to even imagine.

Well... 'Course I might find it more felicitous if *somebody* had posted a
link like *somebody* is always bossing other people to do. However, I hate
to mention uncapitalized names.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:32:20
GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article
> ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> I gotta tell you this honestly and plain-out because you use that
>> word so freely. In Jewish circles, at least American Jewish circles,
>> ...
>
> Just a further thought.. if it really _does_ upset you, I won't
> call you this. I have no desire to insult you too much. Can I
> every now and again call you a schmuck... if I am careful to
> limit the occasions?

When I was a kid, I was pretty - wild. I lived to have fun in the insane,
deranged way that many kids do. I used to go around saying "Nigger" all
the time. Not in malice and not even to black kids (-we didn't have any
black kids in our school.) It was just a thing our group did in mock
aggression.

One day I was walking home from school with a Jewish friend and I happened
to use the word schmuck. He told me then what it meant and he got pretty
serious. I hadn't called him it, I'd just used it in conversion but that
still affected him. He was usually a light-hearted, very easy-going guy.
Anyway, it was then that I started to realize slur words weren't funny to a
lot of people whether rendered comedically or not. Discrimination isn't
funny and words like "nigger" and "schmuck" were often used in real
spiteful malice, however misplaced. Well right then and there I started
consciously avoiding such words, and from that day to this, I doubt if I've
used the word "nigger" as an epithet more than twice. I've never so-used
"schmuck". So when I hear it or see it written, I remember.

What's kinda funny is the (hippish) blacks call themselves "nigger" these
days. But let a white man try it...

--
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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:50:23
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>> My beard came later, in the early '70s. One of them was continuous
>>> for 22 years. And the day after I finally removed it, then, I
>>> started growing it back and kept it for another several years.
>>> Today I'm down to moustache and goatee.
>>
>> Aw, hell, then you're nothing but a catfish with great expectations.
>> Wonder if you'd be any good fried?
>
> Bring it on. Consider grilling, too!
>
> Then die! :)

Uh, you remember what happened to your albino cousin in "Jaws", don't you?
There was fish goulash all along the New Jersey coast. Tasty, too. Ergo,
you may find it behooves you not to mess with your evolutionary superiors.

--
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A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On 2007-07-11, Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:50:23
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
[...]
> Uh, you remember what happened to your albino cousin in "Jaws", don't you?
> There was fish goulash all along the New Jersey coast. Tasty, too. Ergo,
> you may find it behooves you not to mess with your evolutionary superiors.

Sharks don't really have evolutionary superiors. They are a well
optimized design that has stayed basically the same for thousands of
millions of years.

Humans on the other hand still get bad backs from walking upright and
frequently choke to death because they eat with their windpipes.

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:54:18 GMT
> dorayme scribed:

> > No, I promise, I will give you as much feedback as you like if
> > you have trouble with that one. What trouble you would have is
> > hard to even imagine.
>
> Well... 'Course I might find it more felicitous if *somebody* had posted a
> link like *somebody* is always bossing other people to do.

When have I ever bossed anyone to do this where it was not
necessary. I would say I am somewhere between Ben C, who is very
tolerant and JK who is very strict about this sort of thing. With
me, you will see the perfect balance always. Ben C is tolerant
because he has a good nature. I regard this as admirable but a
poor excuse! JK does his because it is a matter of principle and
this is admirable too, but again, I think principles have to have
exceptions (yes, I know Blinky, so too do you think this one has.
But you have not demonstrated it).

No, with me, and I have no tabs on myself, no pretensions, you
will find that when I call for a URL, it is particularly needed
to help the OP. I say this without arrogance.

Now where were we? O yes, your bleating about a particular url.
You already have it. When you looked at the desert, was there no
menu on the left in your browser, do you have left floats turned
off?

--
dorayme

Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:50:23
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>> My beard came later, in the early '70s. One of them was continuous
>>>> for 22 years. And the day after I finally removed it, then, I
>>>> started growing it back and kept it for another several years.
>>>> Today I'm down to moustache and goatee.
>>>
>>> Aw, hell, then you're nothing but a catfish with great expectations.
>>> Wonder if you'd be any good fried?
>>
>> Bring it on. Consider grilling, too!
>>
>> Then die! :)
>
> Uh, you remember what happened to your albino cousin in "Jaws", don't you?

Nope. Never saw it.

> There was fish goulash all along the New Jersey coast. Tasty, too. Ergo,
> you may find it behooves you not to mess with your evolutionary superiors.

If there was survival pressure to evolve beyond where we are, we would
have.

Mmmmmmmmm......long pig sushi.


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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Ben C wrote:
> On 2007-07-11, Neredbojias wrote:
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:50:23
>> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
> [...]
>> Uh, you remember what happened to your albino cousin in "Jaws", don't you?
>> There was fish goulash all along the New Jersey coast. Tasty, too. Ergo,
>> you may find it behooves you not to mess with your evolutionary superiors.
>
> Sharks don't really have evolutionary superiors. They are a well
> optimized design that has stayed basically the same for thousands of
> millions of years.

Thank you...thank you very much.

> Humans on the other hand still get bad backs from walking upright and
> frequently choke to death because they eat with their windpipes.

And look at how poorly most of them write on Usenet.


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> One day I was walking home from school with a Jewish friend and I happened
> to use the word schmuck. He told me then what it meant and he got pretty
> serious. I hadn't called him it, I'd just used it in conversion but that
> still affected him. He was usually a light-hearted, very easy-going guy.
> Anyway, it was then that I started to realize slur words weren't funny to a
> lot of people whether rendered comedically or not.

What a load of hypocritical bullshit. You have felt no compulsion
to make the most outrageous slurs, time and time again, to engage
in language and aspersions that must be quite offensive to many
people and here you confounding all sorts of issues and
associations and personal experiences to get on some moral soap
box.

You have it wrong about schmuck. Simple as that.

It is most common in American comedic talk as mentioned in

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck

Remember, it is 2007. Study the idea of the vernacular. I was not
calling people here generally. I was calling you a schmuck.

--
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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On 2007-07-11, Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Ben C wrote:
>> On 2007-07-11, Neredbojias wrote:
>>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:50:23
>>> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>> [...]
>>> Uh, you remember what happened to your albino cousin in "Jaws", don't you?
>>> There was fish goulash all along the New Jersey coast. Tasty, too. Ergo,
>>> you may find it behooves you not to mess with your evolutionary superiors.
>>
>> Sharks don't really have evolutionary superiors. They are a well
>> optimized design that has stayed basically the same for thousands of
>> millions of years.
>
> Thank you...thank you very much.

Of course not really thousands of millions, hundreds of millions. I was
forgetting that a billion is only a thousand million.

They go back 450 million years according to Wikipedia, with "modern"
sharks going back 100 million, which isn't all that old.

Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Ben C wrote:
> On 2007-07-11, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Ben C wrote:
>>> On 2007-07-11, Neredbojias wrote:
>>>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:50:23
>>>> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>> [...]
>>>> Uh, you remember what happened to your albino cousin in "Jaws", don't you?
>>>> There was fish goulash all along the New Jersey coast. Tasty, too. Ergo,
>>>> you may find it behooves you not to mess with your evolutionary superiors.
>>>
>>> Sharks don't really have evolutionary superiors. They are a well
>>> optimized design that has stayed basically the same for thousands of
>>> millions of years.
>>
>> Thank you...thank you very much.
>
> Of course not really thousands of millions, hundreds of millions. I was
> forgetting that a billion is only a thousand million.
>
> They go back 450 million years according to Wikipedia, with "modern"
> sharks going back 100 million, which isn't all that old.

It is compared to Usenet. ;)


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

dorayme wrote:
> In article
> ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> One day I was walking home from school with a Jewish friend and I happened
>> to use the word schmuck. He told me then what it meant and he got pretty
>> serious. I hadn't called him it, I'd just used it in conversion but that
>> still affected him. He was usually a light-hearted, very easy-going guy.
>> Anyway, it was then that I started to realize slur words weren't funny to a
>> lot of people whether rendered comedically or not.
>
> What a load of hypocritical bullshit. You have felt no compulsion
> to make the most outrageous slurs, time and time again, to engage
> in language and aspersions that must be quite offensive to many
> people and here you confounding all sorts of issues and
> associations and personal experiences to get on some moral soap
> box.
>
> You have it wrong about schmuck. Simple as that.
>
> It is most common in American comedic talk as mentioned in
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck
>
> Remember, it is 2007. Study the idea of the vernacular. I was not
> calling people here generally. I was calling you a schmuck.
>

Would that translate into "dick head"?

--
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www.glenmeadows.us
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:59:01
GMT dorayme scribed:

>> > No, I promise, I will give you as much feedback as you like if
>> > you have trouble with that one. What trouble you would have is
>> > hard to even imagine.
>>
>> Well... 'Course I might find it more felicitous if *somebody* had
>> posted a link like *somebody* is always bossing other people to do.
>
> When have I ever bossed anyone to do this where it was not
> necessary. I would say I am somewhere between Ben C, who is very
> tolerant and JK who is very strict about this sort of thing. With
> me, you will see the perfect balance always. Ben C is tolerant
> because he has a good nature. I regard this as admirable but a
> poor excuse! JK does his because it is a matter of principle and
> this is admirable too, but again, I think principles have to have
> exceptions (yes, I know Blinky, so too do you think this one has.
> But you have not demonstrated it).

Somehow the idea of a connection between you and any rational state of
balance never occurred to me.

> No, with me, and I have no tabs on myself, no pretensions, you
> will find that when I call for a URL, it is particularly needed
> to help the OP. I say this without arrogance.
>
> Now where were we? O yes, your bleating about a particular url.
> You already have it. When you looked at the desert, was there no
> menu on the left in your browser, do you have left floats turned
> off?

Out amongst the moons and stars
There floats a little ball called Mars,
And though quite cold and dimly lit,
It is a land where nitwits fit.

My rocket strayed and went off course
While I was screwing with The Force.
Crash landing in a hellish pit,
I found myself where nitwits fit.

I left the ship and took a leak.
A fem approached to have a peek.
But when she spoke, the sad truth hit
That I had whizzed where nitwits fit.

Her drivel nearly drove me mad,
And streams of babble worse than bad
Abraided me like wind-blown grit
In tempests spawned where nitwits fit.

I knew I ought to take to wing
Lest I become a ding-a-ling.
I tried to fix the ship, but it
Was now just shit where nitwits fit.

The story's o'er; there is no hope;
I shall devolve into a dope
As I repent, repine, and sit
Within the realm where nitwits fit.

--
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A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:11:10
GMT dorayme scribed:


>> One day I was walking home from school with a Jewish friend and I
>> happened to use the word schmuck. He told me then what it meant and
>> he got pretty serious. I hadn't called him it, I'd just used it in
>> conversion but that still affected him. He was usually a
>> light-hearted, very easy-going guy. Anyway, it was then that I
>> started to realize slur words weren't funny to a lot of people
>> whether rendered comedically or not.
>
> What a load of hypocritical bullshit. You have felt no compulsion
> to make the most outrageous slurs, time and time again, to engage
> in language and aspersions that must be quite offensive to many
> people and here you confounding all sorts of issues and
> associations and personal experiences to get on some moral soap
> box.

When your mother birthed you, she was late, right? The reason I know is
that God must've stored your brain in a pickle jar while He was waiting.

You fail to grasp the "subtle" difference between innuendo and name-
calling. How would you like it if I called you a "Beachball-Butted Bone
Bitch"? That's a comedic way of saying a "Fat-Assed Cock Cruiser". Hah!
Hah! Hah! -Pretty funny, ain't it?

> You have it wrong about schmuck. Simple as that.
>
> It is most common in American comedic talk as mentioned in
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck
>
> Remember, it is 2007. Study the idea of the vernacular. I was not
> calling people here generally. I was calling you a schmuck.

Oh, that makes all the difference in the world! Why didn't you say so?
I'm soooooooooo relieved.

--
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A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007 02:13:22
GMT wayne scribed:

>> Remember, it is 2007. Study the idea of the vernacular. I was not
>> calling people here generally. I was calling you a schmuck.
>>
>
> Would that translate into "dick head"?

Oh, no, not at all. It's just some mild epithet which means dufus or
something.

--
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A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Somehow the idea of a connection between you and any rational state of
> balance never occurred to me.

I suspected as much. But when I get a sample of your brain, I
will know more about why. You pass over too quickly my
applications of Aristotle, the master of the subject of balance.

Anyway, Boji, I can see we are not getting on well at the moment.
Perhaps you would care to slip into something comfortable for me.
For example, a coma.

--
dorayme

Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:25:37
GMT Ben C scribed:

> On 2007-07-11, Neredbojias wrote:
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007
>> 08:50:23 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
> [...]
>> Uh, you remember what happened to your albino cousin in "Jaws", don't
>> you? There was fish goulash all along the New Jersey coast. Tasty,
>> too. Ergo, you may find it behooves you not to mess with your
>> evolutionary superiors.
>
> Sharks don't really have evolutionary superiors. They are a well
> optimized design that has stayed basically the same for thousands of
> millions of years.

Exhausting the limits of a primitive design hardly renders that design
superior or equal to more advanced formulations.

> Humans on the other hand still get bad backs from walking upright and
> frequently choke to death because they eat with their windpipes.

And they rule the world unchallenged. Go figure.

--
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A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> When your mother birthed you, she was late, right? The reason I know is
> that God must've stored your brain in a pickle jar while He was waiting.

Boji, this cannot be a reason. It is not the sort of thing that
can be a reason. The "must've" mucks it all up. Anyway, I have no
parents, it is not like that with me.

Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their
shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and
you have their shoes.

--
dorayme

Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:09:55
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>> Uh, you remember what happened to your albino cousin in "Jaws", don't
>> you?
>
> Nope. Never saw it.

You saw it... You're just being doraymeish.

>> There was fish goulash all along the New Jersey coast. Tasty, too.
>> Ergo, you may find it behooves you not to mess with your evolutionary
>> superiors.
>
> If there was survival pressure to evolve beyond where we are, we would
> have.

Well, in a million years of so when awareness of such pressure might
hypothetically dawn, there may be no sharks.

--
Neredbojias
A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007 02:13:22
> GMT wayne scribed:
>
> >> Remember, it is 2007. Study the idea of the vernacular. I was not
> >> calling people here generally. I was calling you a schmuck.
> >>
> >
> > Would that translate into "dick head"?
>
> Oh, no, not at all. It's just some mild epithet which means dufus or
> something.

O Boji... don't get upset and bitter. I didn't mean 'nuthin...

Time to go meet Mr Groper, it is a beautiful day here, it is avo
and I can only be inefficient in work from now on...

--
dorayme

Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:09:55
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>> Uh, you remember what happened to your albino cousin in "Jaws", don't
>>> you?
>>
>> Nope. Never saw it.
>
> You saw it... You're just being doraymeish.

Nope. I've never seen "Jaws". Which does kind of disconnect me from the
PS2 game I've been playing lately -- "Jaws Unleashed", which is at least
loosely based on the film.

>>> There was fish goulash all along the New Jersey coast. Tasty, too.
>>> Ergo, you may find it behooves you not to mess with your evolutionary
>>> superiors.
>>
>> If there was survival pressure to evolve beyond where we are, we would
>> have.
>
> Well, in a million years of so when awareness of such pressure might
> hypothetically dawn, there may be no sharks.

We will probably evolve to meet that pressure.

--
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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Ben C wrote:
> On 2007-07-11, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Ben C wrote:
>>> On 2007-07-11, Neredbojias wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> you may find it behooves you not to mess with your evolutionary superiors.
>>> Sharks don't really have evolutionary superiors. They are a well
>>> optimized design that has stayed basically the same for thousands of
>>> millions of years.
>> Thank you...thank you very much.
>
>
> They go back 450 million years according to Wikipedia, with "modern"
> sharks going back 100 million, which isn't all that old.

Yeah, for the first 350 million years, the sharks ran on steam. (And
they were analog, not digital.)

--
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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

dorayme wrote:
>
> Anyway, Boji, I can see we are not getting on well at the moment.
> Perhaps you would care to slip into something comfortable for me.
> For example, a coma.

ROFLMAO!

--
John

Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

John Hosking wrote:
> Ben C wrote:

>> They go back 450 million years according to Wikipedia, with "modern"
>> sharks going back 100 million, which isn't all that old.
>
> Yeah, for the first 350 million years, the sharks ran on steam. (And
> they were analog, not digital.)

And now people steam sharks. And sharks are steamed about it.


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007 04:13:03 GMT
dorayme scribed:

> Anyway, Boji, I can see we are not getting on well at the moment.
> Perhaps you would care to slip into something comfortable for me.
> For example, a coma.

Now *that* was funny.

--
Neredbojias
A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007 04:17:27
GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article
> ,
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> When your mother birthed you, she was late, right? The reason I know
>> is that God must've stored your brain in a pickle jar while He was
>> waiting.
>
> Boji, this cannot be a reason. It is not the sort of thing that
> can be a reason. The "must've" mucks it all up. Anyway, I have no
> parents, it is not like that with me.
>
> Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their
> shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and
> you have their shoes.

If you did that in Holland it would be a handicap.

--
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A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007 04:56:23 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>> Nope. Never saw it.
>>
>> You saw it... You're just being doraymeish.
>
> Nope. I've never seen "Jaws". Which does kind of disconnect me from the
> PS2 game I've been playing lately -- "Jaws Unleashed", which is at least
> loosely based on the film.

Really? Why not, because of the, um, moniker? It's a good movie (-the
first one.) Dolphins especially like it.

>>> If there was survival pressure to evolve beyond where we are, we would
>>> have.
>>
>> Well, in a million years of so when awareness of such pressure might
>> hypothetically dawn, there may be no sharks.
>
> We will probably evolve to meet that pressure.

Let's see, in a million years the Earth's resources will be depleted,
everything will be polluted, and chances are the weather will be f---ed up.
So what will you evolve into, a garbage disposal?

--
Neredbojias
A self-made man who worships his creator

Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007
> 04:56:23 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>> Nope. Never saw it.
>>>
>>> You saw it... You're just being doraymeish.
>>
>> Nope. I've never seen "Jaws". Which does kind of disconnect me from
>> the PS2 game I've been playing lately -- "Jaws Unleashed", which is
>> at least loosely based on the film.
>
> Really? Why not, because of the, um, moniker? It's a good movie
> (-the first one.) Dolphins especially like it.

1. The concept seemed stupid.

2. The hype turned me off.

I've also never seen "Rocky" or "Titanic".

Don't get me wrong; I enjoy films and I love my Netflix membership.

Last few:

The Thief Of Bagdad
The Misfits
The Asphalt Jungle

Coming next:

Cool Hand Luke
Blood Alley

>>>> If there was survival pressure to evolve beyond where we are, we
>>>> would have.
>>>
>>> Well, in a million years of so when awareness of such pressure might
>>> hypothetically dawn, there may be no sharks.
>>
>> We will probably evolve to meet that pressure.
>
> Let's see, in a million years the Earth's resources will be depleted,
> everything will be polluted, and chances are the weather will be
> f---ed up. So what will you evolve into, a garbage disposal?

No, just something that can live in extreme heat and live on the only
other remaining creatures -- the roaches.


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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

"Blinky the Shark" wrote in message
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>>> Nope. I've never seen "Jaws"

I once visited the set where Jaws was "made" (if you can believe backlots at
Universal Studios) where the bus drives through the lake (the one where
where the biblical waters part, with perspex) and suddenly a SHARK leaps up.
Yep. Your mechanical mate, trying to scare little girls and such. Is that
still there? It *was* 20 or so years ago for me :-)

> I've also never seen "Rocky" or "Titanic".

It sunk. No sharks.

> Don't get me wrong; I enjoy films and I love my Netflix membership.

Saving Nemo?

There is a very very scary shark in that movie! Name's Bruce. Very big and
grey. A grey nurse IIRC. Keeps that hammerhead in line. Blinks a lot :-)

--
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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:11:23
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>> Nope. I've never seen "Jaws". Which does kind of disconnect me from
>>> the PS2 game I've been playing lately -- "Jaws Unleashed", which is
>>> at least loosely based on the film.
>>
>> Really? Why not, because of the, um, moniker? It's a good movie
>> (-the first one.) Dolphins especially like it.
>
> 1. The concept seemed stupid.
>
> 2. The hype turned me off.
>
> I've also never seen "Rocky" or "Titanic".

Titanic you can have but Rocky I've seen half-a-dozen times.

> Don't get me wrong; I enjoy films and I love my Netflix membership.
>
> Last few:
>
> The Thief Of Bagdad
> The Misfits
> The Asphalt Jungle

All classics though top honors arguably goes to Asphalt Jungle.

> Coming next:
>
> Cool Hand Luke
> Blood Alley

Cool Hand Luke is one of my favs. Don't remember Blood Alley but have
seen it.

I've got "Apache" on order and have recently bought a bunch of semi-
oldies/oldies from Amazon. Predator, Ghost, The Score, *The Jungle Book
(Korda)*, Shane, Donovan's Reef, Robin Hood (Curtiz), and Sin City just
to name a few.

>>>>> If there was survival pressure to evolve beyond where we are, we
>>>>> would have.
>>>>
>>>> Well, in a million years of so when awareness of such pressure might
>>>> hypothetically dawn, there may be no sharks.
>>>
>>> We will probably evolve to meet that pressure.
>>
>> Let's see, in a million years the Earth's resources will be depleted,
>> everything will be polluted, and chances are the weather will be
>> f---ed up. So what will you evolve into, a garbage disposal?
>
> No, just something that can live in extreme heat and live on the only
> other remaining creatures -- the roaches.

That would probably do it. Course there'd probably be an ugly, hideous
predator there to persecute you, just the same. -Doraymeanies or
something equally repulsive...

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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

rf wrote:
> "Blinky the Shark" wrote in message
> news:slrnf9bvh2.lpo.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net...
>
>
>
>>>> Nope. I've never seen "Jaws"
>
> I once visited the set where Jaws was "made" (if you can believe backlots at
> Universal Studios) where the bus drives through the lake (the one where

Living about three miles from Universal and having shot some stuff there, I can
very easily believe that. ;)

> where the biblical waters part, with perspex) and suddenly a SHARK leaps up.



> Yep. Your mechanical mate, trying to scare little girls and such. Is that
> still there? It *was* 20 or so years ago for me :-)

I doubt that they still have that "show" any more.

>> I've also never seen "Rocky" or "Titanic".
>
> It sunk. No sharks.

:)

>> Don't get me wrong; I enjoy films and I love my Netflix membership.
>
> Saving Nemo?

In fact, I saw that about a month ago.

> There is a very very scary shark in that movie! Name's Bruce. Very big and
> grey. A grey nurse IIRC. Keeps that hammerhead in line. Blinks a lot :-)

Hammerheads are ugly. Hammerheads are what you get when the mother does
drugs while she's pregnant. :)


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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:11:23
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>> Don't get me wrong; I enjoy films and I love my Netflix membership.
>>
>> Last few:
>>
>> The Thief Of Bagdad
>> The Misfits
>> The Asphalt Jungle
>
> All classics though top honors arguably goes to Asphalt Jungle.
>
>> Coming next:
>>
>> Cool Hand Luke
>> Blood Alley
>
> Cool Hand Luke is one of my favs. Don't remember Blood Alley but have
> seen it.

John Wayne and Lauren Bacall. Just saw "To Have And Have Not" last
weekend, again.

> I've got "Apache" on order and have recently bought a bunch of semi-
> oldies/oldies from Amazon. Predator, Ghost, The Score, *The Jungle Book
> (Korda)*, Shane, Donovan's Reef, Robin Hood (Curtiz), and Sin City just
> to name a few.

Of those I've seen "Donovan's Reef", "Robin Hood" (just a couple months
ago) and "Sin City".

>>>>>> If there was survival pressure to evolve beyond where we are, we
>>>>>> would have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, in a million years of so when awareness of such pressure might
>>>>> hypothetically dawn, there may be no sharks.
>>>>
>>>> We will probably evolve to meet that pressure.
>>>
>>> Let's see, in a million years the Earth's resources will be depleted,
>>> everything will be polluted, and chances are the weather will be
>>> f---ed up. So what will you evolve into, a garbage disposal?
>>
>> No, just something that can live in extreme heat and live on the only
>> other remaining creatures -- the roaches.
>
> That would probably do it. Course there'd probably be an ugly, hideous
> predator there to persecute you, just the same. -Doraymeanies or
> something equally repulsive...

Giant radioactive Google Groupers seeking their revenge.

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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

"Blinky the Shark" wrote in message
news:slrnf9c2s7.qe3.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net...
> rf wrote:

>> Living about three miles from Universal

Do tell. I thought you were in LA proper. I Like that area up there, C'ept
for that Hollywood stuff. Stayed once over in the Valley, having drifted
down the coast from SF. Nice. Stayed once down at Anaheim. Didn't like that
much.

>> Saving Nemo?

> Hammerheads are ugly. Hammerheads are what you get when the mother does
> drugs while she's pregnant. :)

ROFLMBAO.

You mean when she bumps right up into,say, a naval frigate and squashes her
unborn right up into her sternum? Ouch.

Must be a bummer to give birth to those hammerheads! Like pulling nails?

--
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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

John Hosking wrote:
> Ben C wrote:
>> On 2007-07-11, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>> Ben C wrote:
>>>> On 2007-07-11, Neredbojias wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>> you may find it behooves you not to mess with your evolutionary
>>>>> superiors.
>>>> Sharks don't really have evolutionary superiors. They are a well
>>>> optimized design that has stayed basically the same for thousands of
>>>> millions of years.
>>> Thank you...thank you very much.
>>
>>
>> They go back 450 million years according to Wikipedia, with "modern"
>> sharks going back 100 million, which isn't all that old.
>
> Yeah, for the first 350 million years, the sharks ran on steam. (And
> they were analog, not digital.)
>

And nowadays, the latest in high tech computer games also run on steam.
And these games are digital.


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On Jul 8, 8:19 am, dorayme wrote:
> In article <5fbgq8F3atmd...@mid.individual.net>,
> "J.O. Aho" wrote:
>
>
>
> > GreatArtist wrote:
> > > I have internet explorer 7 and firefox 2.
> > > I set my web page to be XHTML 1.0 transitional.
> > > I put the alt attribute in my image tags but they were only displayed
> > > in firefox, not IE7.
> > > So I changed all the alt attributes to title instead. That works in
> > > both IE7 and Firefox.
> > > But now when I use the W3C xhtml validator, it tells me I should have
> > > alt for all the image tags.
> > > Should I include both title and alt in each image tag?
> > > Why doesn't alt work in IE7? Didn't alt work in previous versions of
> > > IE?
>
> > Yes, you should have both.
> > As far as I can recall, the alt is meant to be displayed when the image is
> > missing, while the title is shown when you hover with the mouse pointer over
> > the image.
>
> > Alt has worked as title in earlier versions of MSIE, there can be two reasons
> > why alt don't generate a "pop-up", the most likely is that MS has a bug in
> > the
> > code (which is quite common), or they wanted to follow the standard more
> > closely.
>
> I don't think you _should_ have both. You should have the alt.
> You may have the title if you want the tool-tip. But you are
> perfectly entitled not to want this.
>
> In Witness, John Book asks what is wrong with buttons when trying
> on a suit that Rachel has modified for his size. He asks if there
> is something wrong with buttons, there being no buttons. The
> reply is that no buttons is plain and good. In fact, Amish
> authors are forbidden by their church to have title attributes.
>
> --
> dorayme

You should have both. IE6 displays alt tags as hovering tool tips,
which may not be relevant to most visitors. Title tags are supposed to
be visible. Alts aren't.

Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

rf wrote:
>
> "Blinky the Shark" wrote in message
> news:slrnf9c2s7.qe3.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net...
>> rf wrote:
>
>>> Living about three miles from Universal
>
> Do tell. I thought you were in LA proper. I Like that area up there,
> C'ept for that Hollywood stuff. Stayed once over in the Valley, having
> drifted down the coast from SF. Nice. Stayed once down at Anaheim.
> Didn't like that much.

I live in North Hollywood (which is on the south edge of the Valley),
and Universal is between here and Hollywood. Neither North Hollywood
nor Hollywood are actually cities, so addresses in either are Los
Angeles addresses. Sure -- we use "North Hollywood" when we address
mail, and it's delivered; it's just that those are districts of L.A.
The Hollywood Hills separate NoHo from Hollywood.

>>> Saving Nemo?
>
>> Hammerheads are ugly. Hammerheads are what you get when the mother
>> does drugs while she's pregnant. :)
>
> ROFLMBAO.
>
> You mean when she bumps right up into,say, a naval frigate and
> squashes her unborn right up into her sternum? Ouch.

That, too.

> Must be a bummer to give birth to those hammerheads! Like pulling
> nails?

Like pushing nails through the wood, wide head and all.


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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:12:49
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>> Cool Hand Luke is one of my favs. Don't remember Blood Alley but
>> have seen it.
>
> John Wayne and Lauren Bacall. Just saw "To Have And Have Not" last
> weekend, again.

Still can't recall "Blood Alley". Probably didn't like it. Regarding
the other, I also HAVE seen that but HAVE NOT it in my collection.

>> I've got "Apache" on order and have recently bought a bunch of semi-
>> oldies/oldies from Amazon. Predator, Ghost, The Score, *The Jungle
>> Book (Korda)*, Shane, Donovan's Reef, Robin Hood (Curtiz), and Sin
>> City just to name a few.
>
> Of those I've seen "Donovan's Reef", "Robin Hood" (just a couple
> months ago) and "Sin City".

Can't believe you've just seen Robin Hood. They used to show that on TV
every other week when I was a kid. Did you live in a fishbowl or what?

>>>>>>> If there was survival pressure to evolve beyond where we are, we
>>>>>>> would have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, in a million years of so when awareness of such pressure
>>>>>> might hypothetically dawn, there may be no sharks.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will probably evolve to meet that pressure.
>>>>
>>>> Let's see, in a million years the Earth's resources will be
>>>> depleted, everything will be polluted, and chances are the weather
>>>> will be f---ed up. So what will you evolve into, a garbage
>>>> disposal?
>>>
>>> No, just something that can live in extreme heat and live on the
>>> only other remaining creatures -- the roaches.
>>
>> That would probably do it. Course there'd probably be an ugly,
>> hideous predator there to persecute you, just the same.
>> -Doraymeanies or something equally repulsive...
>
> Giant radioactive Google Groupers seeking their revenge.

Ah, you've seen too many movies...

Btw, referring to:

> I live in North Hollywood (which is on the south edge of the Valley),
> and Universal is between here and Hollywood. Neither North Hollywood
> nor Hollywood are actually cities, so addresses in either are Los
> Angeles addresses. Sure -- we use "North Hollywood" when we address
> mail, and it's delivered; it's just that those are districts of L.A.
> The Hollywood Hills separate NoHo from Hollywood.

.... I visited/briefly-stayed-in that area many moons ago. Was familiar
with Van Nuys H.S., Studio City as well as North Hollywood, and a few of
the homes on Mulholland drive. Was pursuing this broad whose pants I
admired, but, alas, couldn't work it out.

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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007
> 11:12:49 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>> Cool Hand Luke is one of my favs. Don't remember Blood Alley but
>>> have seen it.
>>
>> John Wayne and Lauren Bacall. Just saw "To Have And Have Not" last
>> weekend, again.
>
> Still can't recall "Blood Alley". Probably didn't like it. Regarding
> the other, I also HAVE seen that but HAVE NOT it in my collection.

With the advent of Netflix, my "collection" stopped growing; it was
never large. I don't need to see many movies more than once.

>>> I've got "Apache" on order and have recently bought a bunch of semi-
>>> oldies/oldies from Amazon. Predator, Ghost, The Score, *The Jungle
>>> Book (Korda)*, Shane, Donovan's Reef, Robin Hood (Curtiz), and Sin
>>> City just to name a few.
>>
>> Of those I've seen "Donovan's Reef", "Robin Hood" (just a couple
>> months ago) and "Sin City".
>
> Can't believe you've just seen Robin Hood. They used to show that on
> TV every other week when I was a kid. Did you live in a fishbowl or
> what?

No. There are scores of thousands of movies in the world. Also how do
you know that my having seen it just a couple of months ago means I
never saw it before? *I* don't know if I've seen it before -- I don't
remember every film I've seen in my 60 years. Also the sound is pretty
bad under water...

>> Giant radioactive Google Groupers seeking their revenge.
>
> Ah, you've seen too many movies...

No, I've seen too many Google Groupers.

> Btw, referring to:
>
>> I live in North Hollywood (which is on the south edge of the Valley),
>> and Universal is between here and Hollywood. Neither North Hollywood
>> nor Hollywood are actually cities, so addresses in either are Los
>> Angeles addresses. Sure -- we use "North Hollywood" when we address
>> mail, and it's delivered; it's just that those are districts of L.A.
>> The Hollywood Hills separate NoHo from Hollywood.
>
> ... I visited/briefly-stayed-in that area many moons ago. Was
> familiar with Van Nuys H.S., Studio City as well as North Hollywood,

I'm in the south side of NoHo, close to Studio City. Actually, a few
years ago my part of NoHo became Valley Village, but that's such a local
name I rarely bother using it.

> and a few of the homes on Mulholland drive. Was pursuing this broad
> whose pants I admired, but, alas, couldn't work it out.

So you had to work it out by yourself... ;)


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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article ,
"rf" wrote:

> > I've also never seen "Rocky" or "Titanic".
>
> It sunk. No sharks.

But Rocky rose and how. The first was fun, have not seen any of
the sequels.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
<1184243130.472013.68120@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
SpaceGirl wrote:

> On Jul 8, 8:19 am, dorayme wrote:
> > In article <5fbgq8F3atmd...@mid.individual.net>,
> > "J.O. Aho" wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, you should have both [alt and title in images].
> >
> > I don't think you _should_ have both. You should have the alt.
> > You may have the title if you want the tool-tip. But you are
> > perfectly entitled not to want this.
> >
> > In Witness, John Book asks what is wrong with buttons when trying
> > on a suit that Rachel has modified for his size. He asks if there
> > is something wrong with buttons, there being no buttons. The
> > reply is that no buttons is plain and good. In fact, Amish
> > authors are forbidden by their church to have title attributes.
> >
> > --
> > dorayme
>
> You should have both. IE6 displays alt tags as hovering tool tips,
> which may not be relevant to most visitors. Title tags are supposed to
> be visible. Alts aren't.

You need to say why in more detail. You did not understand my
argument from hollywood? Why _should_ you have a title? It is
generaly understood why an alt is needed. But why must an author
organise, effectively, for a tooltip on all images?

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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:30:16
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

> With the advent of Netflix, my "collection" stopped growing; it was
> never large. I don't need to see many movies more than once.

Really? Most of what I consider good movies I've seen more than once.
Some, like the original "King Kong", probably 50 times or more.

>> Can't believe you've just seen Robin Hood. They used to show that on
>> TV every other week when I was a kid. Did you live in a fishbowl or
>> what?
>
> No. There are scores of thousands of movies in the world. Also how do
> you know that my having seen it just a couple of months ago means I
> never saw it before?

Oh, I thought that's what you meant by that. We -are- talking about the
Errol Flynn version, right?

> *I* don't know if I've seen it before -- I don't
> remember every film I've seen in my 60 years. Also the sound is pretty
> bad under water...

Water in the ears makes the brain soggy, too. However, the mind is the
_second_ thing to go.

I remember most movies I've seen, even obscure gems like "Bosom Babes
from Addis Ababa".

>>> Giant radioactive Google Groupers seeking their revenge.
>>
>> Ah, you've seen too many movies...
>
> No, I've seen too many Google Groupers.

Well, ya gotta admit, they make everyone else look good.

>> ... I visited/briefly-stayed-in that area many moons ago. Was
>> familiar with Van Nuys H.S., Studio City as well as North Hollywood,
>
> I'm in the south side of NoHo, close to Studio City. Actually, a few
> years ago my part of NoHo became Valley Village, but that's such a
local
> name I rarely bother using it.

Can't recall the street or area of Studio City I stayed in, but it was a
house-behind-a-house on the same (fairly large) lot. 'Probably worth a
couple mill today.

>> and a few of the homes on Mulholland drive. Was pursuing this broad
>> whose pants I admired, but, alas, couldn't work it out.
>
> So you had to work it out by yourself... ;)

"Redirection" is a more standards-compliant way of putting it.


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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:

> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007
> 20:30:16 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>> With the advent of Netflix, my "collection" stopped growing; it
>> was never large. I don't need to see many movies more than
>> once.
>
> Really? Most of what I consider good movies I've seen more than
> once. Some, like the original "King Kong", probably 50 times or
> more.

Some of them, sure. But except for "Animal House" I doubt that
there's any film I've ever seen more than three or four times and
even the three-or-four-timers are pretty rare.

>>> Can't believe you've just seen Robin Hood. They used to show
>>> that on TV every other week when I was a kid. Did you live in
>>> a fishbowl or what?
>>
>> No. There are scores of thousands of movies in the world.
>> Also how do you know that my having seen it just a couple of
>> months ago means I never saw it before?
>
> Oh, I thought that's what you meant by that. We -are- talking
> about the Errol Flynn version, right?

I am.

>> *I* don't know if I've seen it before -- I don't
>> remember every film I've seen in my 60 years. Also the sound
>> is pretty bad under water...
>
> Water in the ears makes the brain soggy, too. However, the mind
> is the _second_ thing to go.

I've heard that.

> I remember most movies I've seen, even obscure gems like "Bosom
> Babes from Addis Ababa".
>
>>>> Giant radioactive Google Groupers seeking their revenge.
>>>
>>> Ah, you've seen too many movies...
>>
>> No, I've seen too many Google Groupers.
>
> Well, ya gotta admit, they make everyone else look good.

That's probably debatable WRT WebTVheads.


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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:34:28
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>> With the advent of Netflix, my "collection" stopped growing; it
>>> was never large. I don't need to see many movies more than
>>> once.
>>
>> Really? Most of what I consider good movies I've seen more than
>> once. Some, like the original "King Kong", probably 50 times or
>> more.
>
> Some of them, sure. But except for "Animal House" I doubt that
> there's any film I've ever seen more than three or four times and
> even the three-or-four-timers are pretty rare.

Ah, Animal House! One of the great classics of all time. Not surprising
you have "salty" taste.

Regarding your film-perusing habits, ya know what it is? Human brains
are more developed and thus capable of absorbing subtle data they might
have missed the first time or reliving a sublime experience stimulated by
an especially meaningful cinematic scene. Sharks, on the other hand, are
rather blunt and tend to be less interested in things they can't eat.

>>>> Can't believe you've just seen Robin Hood. They used to show
>>>> that on TV every other week when I was a kid. Did you live in
>>>> a fishbowl or what?
>>>
>>> No. There are scores of thousands of movies in the world.
>>> Also how do you know that my having seen it just a couple of
>>> months ago means I never saw it before?
>>
>> Oh, I thought that's what you meant by that. We -are- talking
>> about the Errol Flynn version, right?
>
> I am.

Well, did you like it? It's considered a classic by most critics.

>>> No, I've seen too many Google Groupers.
>>
>> Well, ya gotta admit, they make everyone else look good.
>
> That's probably debatable WRT WebTVheads.

Er, true. Furthermore, there's *some* people, even right here on this
newsgroup, that wouldn't look good standing next to an unpainted pig pen.
Have you ever thought of going to Australia for lunch?

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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Furthermore, there's *some* people, even right here on this
> newsgroup, that wouldn't look good standing next to an unpainted pig pen.
> Have you ever thought of going to Australia for lunch?

See what I mean? As I say, you are a schmuck.

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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:

> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 13 Jul 2007
> 04:34:28 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>> With the advent of Netflix, my "collection" stopped growing;
>>>> it was never large. I don't need to see many movies more
>>>> than once.
>>>
>>> Really? Most of what I consider good movies I've seen more
>>> than once. Some, like the original "King Kong", probably 50
>>> times or more.
>>
>> Some of them, sure. But except for "Animal House" I doubt that
>> there's any film I've ever seen more than three or four times
>> and even the three-or-four-timers are pretty rare.
>
> Ah, Animal House! One of the great classics of all time. Not
> surprising you have "salty" taste.
>
> Regarding your film-perusing habits, ya know what it is? Human
> brains are more developed and thus capable of absorbing subtle
> data they might have missed the first time or reliving a sublime
> experience stimulated by an especially meaningful cinematic
> scene. Sharks, on the other hand, are rather blunt and tend to
> be less interested in things they can't eat.
>
>>>>> Can't believe you've just seen Robin Hood. They used to
>>>>> show that on TV every other week when I was a kid. Did you
>>>>> live in a fishbowl or what?
>>>>
>>>> No. There are scores of thousands of movies in the world.
>>>> Also how do you know that my having seen it just a couple of
>>>> months ago means I never saw it before?
>>>
>>> Oh, I thought that's what you meant by that. We -are- talking
>>> about the Errol Flynn version, right?
>>
>> I am.
>
> Well, did you like it? It's considered a classic by most
> critics.

1. Sure. 2. That's why I rented it.

Ditto "The Sea Hawk".

>>>> No, I've seen too many Google Groupers.
>>>
>>> Well, ya gotta admit, they make everyone else look good.
>>
>> That's probably debatable WRT WebTVheads.
>
> Er, true. Furthermore, there's *some* people, even right here
> on this newsgroup, that wouldn't look good standing next to an
> unpainted pig pen. Have you ever thought of going to Australia
> for lunch?

Nah. I just killfile the irrational. Saves mileage.


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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:42:00 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>>> Oh, I thought that's what you meant by that. We -are- talking
>>>> about the Errol Flynn version, right?
>>>
>>> I am.
>>
>> Well, did you like it? It's considered a classic by most
>> critics.
>
> 1. Sure. 2. That's why I rented it.
>
> Ditto "The Sea Hawk".

Er, how did you know you would like it if you hadn't seen it yet?

Oh wait... Never mind - maybe.

>>>>> No, I've seen too many Google Groupers.
>>>>
>>>> Well, ya gotta admit, they make everyone else look good.
>>>
>>> That's probably debatable WRT WebTVheads.
>>
>> Er, true. Furthermore, there's *some* people, even right here
>> on this newsgroup, that wouldn't look good standing next to an
>> unpainted pig pen. Have you ever thought of going to Australia
>> for lunch?
>
> Nah. I just killfile the irrational. Saves mileage.

You're an admirably pragmatic piscene. However, irrationality can be fun
if the dementee has a good sense of humor.

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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On Jul 12, 10:31 pm, dorayme wrote:
> In article
> <1184243130.472013.68...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> SpaceGirl wrote:
> > On Jul 8, 8:19 am, dorayme wrote:
> > > In article <5fbgq8F3atmd...@mid.individual.net>,
> > > "J.O. Aho" wrote:
>
> > > > Yes, you should have both [alt and title in images].
>
> > > I don't think you _should_ have both. You should have the alt.
> > > You may have the title if you want the tool-tip. But you are
> > > perfectly entitled not to want this.
>
> > > In Witness, John Book asks what is wrong with buttons when trying
> > > on a suit that Rachel has modified for his size. He asks if there
> > > is something wrong with buttons, there being no buttons. The
> > > reply is that no buttons is plain and good. In fact, Amish
> > > authors are forbidden by their church to have title attributes.
>
> > > --
> > > dorayme
>
> > You should have both. IE6 displays alt tags as hovering tool tips,
> > which may not be relevant to most visitors. Title tags are supposed to
> > be visible. Alts aren't.
>
> You need to say why in more detail. You did not understand my
> argument from hollywood? Why _should_ you have a title? It is
> generaly understood why an alt is needed. But why must an author
> organise, effectively, for a tooltip on all images?
>
> --
> dorayme

You should have a title on all images to prevent IE stupidly
displaying your alt tags.

:)

I honestly don't think it matters, but IE's instance on displaying
alts as tooltips is... stupid!

Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

SpaceGirl wrote:
> On Jul 12, 10:31 pm, dorayme wrote:
>> In article
>> <1184243130.472013.68...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>> SpaceGirl wrote:

> You should have a title on all images to prevent IE stupidly
> displaying your alt tags.

Hey they're using IE, make every image have an ALT value then they can
be pestered by little balloons popping up everywhere!

MS has a balloon fetish, just love going on default configure WinXP
system and try to log out and that damn hint balloon covers the log out
button...GRR I guess that's why my WinXPPro CD still sits on the shelf
and Win2K is on my system.

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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Neredbojias wrote:

> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 13 Jul 2007
> 08:42:00 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>>> Oh, I thought that's what you meant by that. We -are-
>>>>> talking about the Errol Flynn version, right?
>>>>
>>>> I am.
>>>
>>> Well, did you like it? It's considered a classic by most
>>> critics.
>>
>> 1. Sure. 2. That's why I rented it.
>>
>> Ditto "The Sea Hawk".
>
> Er, how did you know you would like it if you hadn't seen it
> yet?

I didn't know. But it was a good bet, knowing the type of film
that it was. This is how one generally views movies for the first
time.

> Oh wait... Never mind - maybe.
>
>>>>>> No, I've seen too many Google Groupers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, ya gotta admit, they make everyone else look good.
>>>>
>>>> That's probably debatable WRT WebTVheads.
>>>
>>> Er, true. Furthermore, there's *some* people, even right here
>>> on this newsgroup, that wouldn't look good standing next to an
>>> unpainted pig pen. Have you ever thought of going to
>>> Australia for lunch?
>>
>> Nah. I just killfile the irrational. Saves mileage.
>
> You're an admirably pragmatic piscene. However, irrationality
> can be fun if the dementee has a good sense of humor.

True or not, I didn't judge that to be the case; the overall
picture said "kill".


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Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

In article
<1184320760.159472.25960@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
SpaceGirl wrote:

> > You need to say why in more detail. You did not understand my
> > argument from hollywood? Why _should_ you have a title? It is
> > generaly understood why an alt is needed. But why must an author
> > organise, effectively, for a tooltip on all images?
> >
> > --
> > dorayme
>
> You should have a title on all images to prevent IE stupidly
> displaying your alt tags.

So the deal is you sit having to make up a title with words that
are more useful than in the alt for tooltip display and have them
show up in lots and lots of browsers just to get better words in
IE bubbles. I don't think this is such a good deal. Let IE do
what it wants, maybe just be careful of writing a decent text
that will do the job generally and be not all that inappropriate
in IE.

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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:42:26 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

>> Er, how did you know you would like it if you hadn't seen it
>> yet?
>
> I didn't know. But it was a good bet, knowing the type of film
> that it was. This is how one generally views movies for the first
> time.

Oh, sure. Like I kinda knew I would like "Predator" (which I really did)
and that "Terms of Endearment" would suck the big one. Sometimes it's
obvious.

>>> Nah. I just killfile the irrational. Saves mileage.
>>
>> You're an admirably pragmatic piscene. However, irrationality
>> can be fun if the dementee has a good sense of humor.
>
> True or not, I didn't judge that to be the case; the overall
> picture said "kill".

Very sharkesque of you. (Not saying you're wrong.)

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Re: [OT] Re: alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:25:37 -0500, Ben C wrote:

>Sharks don't really have evolutionary superiors. They are a well
>optimized design that has stayed basically the same for thousands of
>millions of years.

If they're so superior, how come they still need our help for the
frickin' laser beams on their heads ?