Kapersky Internet Suite

Can anyone give an unbiased view as to whether it is worth paying extra
for KIS over KAV (anti virus)

I currently use KAV + Spybot S&D + Adaware Personal-SE + Spybot

KAV is catching virus threats within emails (look like banking phishing
attempts).
Spybot + Adaware seem to be the ones everyone rates (nothing much coming
out there apart from Avenue something or other). Generally I use my
HOSTS file to block most ad sites
and the firewall is good for trapping any other beggars that may want to
connect to the internet

I like the way KAV updates its definitions frequently, and if the same
technology is used for spy/mal ware then it is probably worth paying the
extra, or do people think the above is sufficient
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Mike News

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

In message
at 17:28:05 on Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Mike
wrote
>
>I currently use KAV + Spybot S&D + Adaware Personal-SE + Spybot
>
This is supposed to read
I currently use KAV + Spybot S&D + Adaware Personal-SE + ZoneAlarm
--
Mike News

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

Mike wrote:

> Can anyone give an unbiased view as to whether it is worth paying extra
> for KIS over KAV (anti virus)
>
> I currently use KAV + Spybot S&D + Adaware Personal-SE + ZoneAlarm
>
> KAV is catching virus threats within emails (look like banking phishing
> attempts).


Virus threats within emails? Certainly, if a virus in an email is a real
threat to your system, then no virus scanner can protect you from that. And
since it makes SSL and TLS connections impossible, the virus scanner itself
it a threat.

Anyway, KAV is a well-known defective product which allows privilege
escalation and DoS attacks.

> Spybot + Adaware seem to be the ones everyone rates (nothing much coming
> out there apart from Avenue something or other).


Replace "everyone" with "every incompetent user", then you'll get it right.
Why do you think this extremely defective software which seems to report the
whistling in the woods could be any good?

> Generally I use my HOSTS file to block most ad sites


What a nonsense.

> and the firewall is good for trapping any other beggars that may want to
> connect to the internet


You'd wish. How should it accomplish that?

Beside that, this non-firewall (it's a host-based packet filter!) introduces
trivial remote DoS as well as privilege escalation and local DoS.


At total, it seems that your system is hosed, crapped, insecure,
misconfigured and that you have absolutely no clue what you're doing. And
now you want to invest money to make it even worse?

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"Mike" wrote in message
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>
> I currently use KAV
Most experts consider KAV a top-notch AV application.
>
> + Spybot S&D
Not really required; learn how to stay away from ad-ware in the first place.
Practice Safe-Hex
http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html
http://www.google.com/search?q=safe+hex&shva=1
>
> + Adaware Personal-SE
Same comment as for Spybot S&D
Also read this
http://www.rootkit.com/newsread.php?newsid=471
>
> + ZoneAlarm
You may wish to do some educational reading concerning phoney-baloney
software aka PFW's:)
Go to:
http://www.samspade.org/d/firewalls.html
And:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2006/05/S ecurityMyths/default.aspx
and scroll down to:
Myth: Host-Based Firewalls Must Filter Outbound Traffic to be Safe.
Then read this:
("...the typical form of outbound protection in client firewalls is just
security theater.)
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/V istaFirewall/default.aspx

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

"Mike" wrote in message
news:RxIV+5AVO7kGFwzc@turnpike.home...
> Can anyone give an unbiased view as to whether it is worth paying extra
> for KIS over KAV (anti virus)
>
> I currently use KAV + Spybot S&D + Adaware Personal-SE + Spybot
>
> KAV is catching virus threats within emails (look like banking phishing
> attempts).
> Spybot + Adaware seem to be the ones everyone rates (nothing much coming
> out there apart from Avenue something or other). Generally I use my HOSTS
> file to block most ad sites
> and the firewall is good for trapping any other beggars that may want to
> connect to the internet
>
> I like the way KAV updates its definitions frequently, and if the same
> technology is used for spy/mal ware then it is probably worth paying the
> extra, or do people think the above is sufficient

If the protection is adequate for you and you're happy with it, then go with
it. You only answer to yourself, and in particular, no one in this NG.

practice safe hex

http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html

try to secure the O/S as much as possible

http://labmice.techtarget.com/articles/winxpsecuritychecklis t.htm

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

Your daddy, if he was ever around when you were running around in your
Pamper, he should have beaten your little behind on a routine basis to bring
you in check.

He should have beaten your behind in your Pamper, so that you would know how
to treat people with respect, which you obviously were never taught.

You are a real expert's expert, and the only way you can show your expertise
is with obnoxious and rude behavior.

That's right you lunatic run the potential posters off with your lunacy. :(

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

"Mr. Arnold" on the disrespectful Sebastian:

> You are a real expert's expert, and the only way you can show your
> expertise is with obnoxious and rude behavior.

Go for it Duane. You tell the nasty man!

> That's right you lunatic run the potential posters off with your lunacy. :(

They're not afraid of Sebastian "what a bullshit" Gottschalk!

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

Mr. Arnold,

I read your post with interest.
Your reference
http://labmice.techtarget.com/articles/winxpsecuritychecklis t.htm
is really quite specific for WinXP. Do you know of a similar one written for
Win2k?

Thank you
GR.


"Mr. Arnold" wrote in message
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>
> "Mike" wrote in message
> news:RxIV+5AVO7kGFwzc@turnpike.home...
> > Can anyone give an unbiased view as to whether it is worth paying extra
> > for KIS over KAV (anti virus)
> >
> > I currently use KAV + Spybot S&D + Adaware Personal-SE + Spybot
> >
> > KAV is catching virus threats within emails (look like banking phishing
> > attempts).
> > Spybot + Adaware seem to be the ones everyone rates (nothing much coming
> > out there apart from Avenue something or other). Generally I use my
HOSTS
> > file to block most ad sites
> > and the firewall is good for trapping any other beggars that may want to
> > connect to the internet
> >
> > I like the way KAV updates its definitions frequently, and if the same
> > technology is used for spy/mal ware then it is probably worth paying the
> > extra, or do people think the above is sufficient
>
> If the protection is adequate for you and you're happy with it, then go
with
> it. You only answer to yourself, and in particular, no one in this NG.
>
> practice safe hex
>
> http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html
>
> try to secure the O/S as much as possible
>
> http://labmice.techtarget.com/articles/winxpsecuritychecklis t.htm
>

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

"NoSpam" wrote in message
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>
> http://labmice.techtarget.com/articles/winxpsecuritychecklis t.htm
> is really quite specific for WinXP. Do you know of a similar one written
> for
> Win2k?
>
http://www.shebeen.com/w2k/
(Google is your friend)

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"Kayman" wrote in message
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> "NoSpam" wrote in message
> news:NTWki.43807$z64.9805@trnddc07...
>>
>> http://labmice.techtarget.com/articles/winxpsecuritychecklis t.htm
>> is really quite specific for WinXP. Do you know of a similar one written
>> for
>> Win2k?
>>
> http://www.shebeen.com/w2k/
> (Google is your friend)
> http://www.google.com/search?q=win+2k+hardening

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

"NoSpam" wrote in message
news:NTWki.43807$z64.9805@trnddc07...
> Mr. Arnold,
>
> I read your post with interest.
> Your reference
> http://labmice.techtarget.com/articles/winxpsecuritychecklis t.htm
> is really quite specific for WinXP. Do you know of a similar one written
> for
> Win2k?

Right in the opening paragraph, there is a link pointing to the *popular
Windows 2000 Security Check List*, click on it.

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

Mr. Arnold,

Thank you. This is just what the doctor ordered.

GR.


"Mr. Arnold" wrote in message
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>
> "NoSpam" wrote in message
> news:NTWki.43807$z64.9805@trnddc07...
> > Mr. Arnold,
> >
> > I read your post with interest.
> > Your reference
> > http://labmice.techtarget.com/articles/winxpsecuritychecklis t.htm
> > is really quite specific for WinXP. Do you know of a similar one written
> > for
> > Win2k?
>
> Right in the opening paragraph, there is a link pointing to the *popular
> Windows 2000 Security Check List*, click on it.
>

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Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

nailer wrote:

> so, what is YOUR recommendation, Sebastian?


First you should fix your quoting.

> Any working solution?


Next would be flattening the system, it's hopelessly lost. Next... uhm...
well, actually you don't need anything special. Configure the system
correctly, shut down unnecessary services, use non-broken software, and
never start harassing the system with pseudo security software again.

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

On 11/07/2007 1:58 pm, Sebastian G. wrote:

> nailer wrote:
>
>> so, what is YOUR recommendation, Sebastian?
>
>
> First you should fix your quoting.
>
>> Any working solution?
>
>
> Next would be flattening the system, it's hopelessly lost. Next... uhm...
> well, actually you don't need anything special. Configure the system
> correctly, shut down unnecessary services, use non-broken software, and
> never start harassing the system with pseudo security software again.

I love lurking in this forum. You never learn anything at all from
Sebastian G.; you learn that everything is a load of rubbish and
everyone is an idiot, but he never tells you what that Godly expert
would do instead. Probably because he hasn't got a clue what to do
instead but just like the sound of his own loud voice (or the sight of
his own typing). "You don't want to do this", "You don't want to do
that". S.G. You're not related to Harry Enfield by any chance, are you?

--
Wilf

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

"Sebastian G." schrieb
Mike wrote:

> Virus threats within emails? Certainly, if a virus in an email is
> a real
> threat to your system, then no virus scanner can protect you from
> that.
> And since it makes SSL and TLS connections impossible, the virus
> scanner itself it a threat.
>
> At total, it seems that your system is hosed, crapped, insecure,
> misconfigured and that you have absolutely no clue what you're
> doing.
> And now you want to invest money to make it even worse?

Typical seppi answer. Instead of giving advice he disseminates his
standard shit and feels good. How can a person end up like that?

Andy

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

> I love lurking in this forum. You never learn anything at all from
> Sebastian G.;
> ..."You don't want to do this", "You don't want to do that".

LOL! He's so predictable I haven't even bothered to kill-file him.

Bud

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

"Andy Prelignat" wrote in message
news:af71e$46964ccd$5449b89a$31150@news.hispeed.ch...
> "Sebastian G." schrieb
> Mike wrote:
>
>> Virus threats within emails? Certainly, if a virus in an email is a real
>> threat to your system, then no virus scanner can protect you from that.
>> And since it makes SSL and TLS connections impossible, the virus
>> scanner itself it a threat.
>>
>> At total, it seems that your system is hosed, crapped, insecure,
>> misconfigured and that you have absolutely no clue what you're doing.
>> And now you want to invest money to make it even worse?
>
> Typical seppi answer...
Yes but his second response was pretty much spot-on.
Quote
Next would be flattening the system, it's hopelessly lost. Next... uhm...
well, actually you don't need anything special. Configure the system
correctly, shut down unnecessary services, use non-broken software, and
never start harassing the system with pseudo security software again.
Unquote
(Though not everybody is experienced enough to run without an AV
application).

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

Kayman wrote:


> (Though not everybody is experienced enough to run without an AV
> application).

You're kidding, right? An AV application does absolutely nothing to secure
the system. It merely solves as an intrusion detection system of pretty low
quality. And I'd say it creates an illusion of security that makes the user
act more risky.

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

"Sebastian G." wrote in message
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> Kayman wrote:
>
>> (Though not everybody is experienced enough to run without an AV
>> application).
>
> You're kidding, right?
>
No, I wasn't. Read again!
You're not suggesting that *everybody* is in fact is running without an AV
application, are you?
>
> An AV application does absolutely nothing to secure
> the system. It merely solves as an intrusion detection system of pretty
> low
> quality. And I'd say it creates an illusion of security that makes the
> user
> act more risky.
>
I don't disagree at all - prevention is the key. Many users including
myself however do not have the same know-how and pc configuration you have.
Heck, it took me quite some time to harden my pc & what not and convince
myself to do without PFW; My goal is to eventually go without AV and A-S
applications, but I am just not ready as yet. So, calm down, come down from
your high throne and try to be more helpful.

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Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

Kaspersky is great whether you get the AV or the full package, I have
used both before and really i found I have fewer problems using spybot
s&d adaware pro and a good firewall software the only thing i liked
better about kaspersky Internet suite is that the spyware protection
is realtime so that it will keep alot of different spyware from
infecting your system where as spybot and adaware are post-infection
removal tools (although spybot does have an immunize feature in my
experience it doesn't work very well, i've seen many systems infected
with spyware that is in the immunize list). KIS firewall is fairly top
notch as well, really verging on linux like paranoia which there is
nothing wrong with that either.
personally on my main machine that goes out via various protocols to
connect to work etc. i use KIS and still use spybot, adaware and about
a dozen other tools to keep the machines secure but on most of my
machines just kaspersky and spybot, etc.

It really comes down to how much security do you want/need for what
you are doing with your system personally i perfer the free software
and take the time to edit the services and such that system is using
to ensure security that way and I also have made sure to have a
firewall at the router level and at the system level.

Hope this helps

Brett
suraku@gmail.com

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

suraku@gmail.com wrote:

> Kaspersky is great whether you get the AV or the full package,


The bluescreen you get when calling
NtCreateProcess(NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL) rather looks like it's pure crap.

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

"Sebastian G." wrote in message
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> suraku@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Kaspersky is great whether you get the AV or the full package,
>
>
> The bluescreen you get when calling
> NtCreateProcess(NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL) rather looks like it's pure
> crap.

What business is this of yours as to what this person is posting?

It's to the point that you are misusing and abusing that no one is paying
attention to you anymore. And it's sad man it really is.

Are you no better than this?

Is this what you want?

Can you change or are you this messed up?

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

On 15/07/2007 8:41 pm, Sebastian G. wrote:

> suraku@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Kaspersky is great whether you get the AV or the full package,
>
>
> The bluescreen you get when calling
> NtCreateProcess(NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL) rather looks like it's pure crap.

What is this supposed to mean? Is it Martian, or something?

--
Wilf

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Wilf wrote:

> On 15/07/2007 8:41 pm, Sebastian G. wrote:
>
>> suraku@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Kaspersky is great whether you get the AV or the full package,
>>
>> The bluescreen you get when calling
>> NtCreateProcess(NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL) rather looks like it's pure crap.
>
> What is this supposed to mean? Is it Martian, or something?

It is absolutely normal C code. The one you write and compile to audit the
security of the kernel drivers installed by a software that claims to
provide security.

As for the above, it allows a non-admin user to crash the a system with KAV
or KIS installed. Some other known defects are claimed to provide privilege
escalation.

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

On 16/07/2007 12:47 pm, Sebastian G. wrote:

> Wilf wrote:
>
>> On 15/07/2007 8:41 pm, Sebastian G. wrote:
>>
>>> suraku@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kaspersky is great whether you get the AV or the full package,
>>> The bluescreen you get when calling
>>> NtCreateProcess(NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL) rather looks like it's pure crap.
>> What is this supposed to mean? Is it Martian, or something?
>
> It is absolutely normal C code. The one you write and compile to audit the
> security of the kernel drivers installed by a software that claims to
> provide security.
>
> As for the above, it allows a non-admin user to crash the a system with KAV
> or KIS installed. Some other known defects are claimed to provide privilege
Now, that explains it. Many thanks.

--
Wilf

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

In message <1184528152.519582.33620@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
at 19:35:52 on Sun, 15 Jul 2007, "suraku@gmail.com"
wrote
>personally on my main machine that goes out via various protocols to
>connect to work etc. i use KIS and still use spybot, adaware and about
>a dozen other tools to keep the machines secure but on most of my
>machines just kaspersky and spybot, etc.
>
>It really comes down to how much security do you want/need for what
>you are doing with your system personally i perfer the free software
>and take the time to edit the services and such that system is using
>to ensure security that way and I also have made sure to have a
>firewall at the router level and at the system level.
>
Thanks for your informative reply. I am running the trial of KIS at the
moment, and really like it, although I really would like to see password
protection when a new program it hasn't seen before wants to connect to
the internet
--
Mike News

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On 16/07/2007 9:54 pm, Mike wrote:

> In message <1184528152.519582.33620@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
> at 19:35:52 on Sun, 15 Jul 2007, "suraku@gmail.com"
> wrote
>> personally on my main machine that goes out via various protocols to
>> connect to work etc. i use KIS and still use spybot, adaware and about
>> a dozen other tools to keep the machines secure but on most of my
>> machines just kaspersky and spybot, etc.
>>
>> It really comes down to how much security do you want/need for what
>> you are doing with your system personally i perfer the free software
>> and take the time to edit the services and such that system is using
>> to ensure security that way and I also have made sure to have a
>> firewall at the router level and at the system level.
> >
> Thanks for your informative reply. I am running the trial of KIS at the
> moment, and really like it, although I really would like to see password
> protection when a new program it hasn't seen before wants to connect to
> the internet
Not sure what you mean by this, but if you have the firewall
(antihacker) section set to run in Training Mode it certainly detects
and warns of attempts by new programs to access the internet.

--
Wilf

Re: Kapersky Internet Suite

In message <469BE06D.2090402@wilf45728.com>
at 22:17:33 on Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Wilf wrote
>> Thanks for your informative reply. I am running the trial of KIS at
>>the moment, and really like it, although I really would like to see
>>password protection when a new program it hasn't seen before wants to
>>connect to the internet
>Not sure what you mean by this, but if you have the firewall
>(antihacker) section set to run in Training Mode it certainly detects
>and warns of attempts by new programs to access the internet.
>
Yes I am in training mode, but you can accept the connection without
knowing the Kapersky password. This stems back from when the Mrs
downloaded a sort of virus, then she told ZoneAlarm to allow this new
program that appeared to access the internet. You can do a similar
thing in KIS as far as I can tell
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Mike News

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On 16/07/2007 10:51 pm, Mike wrote:

> In message <469BE06D.2090402@wilf45728.com>
> at 22:17:33 on Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Wilf wrote
>>> Thanks for your informative reply. I am running the trial of KIS at
>>> the moment, and really like it, although I really would like to see
>>> password protection when a new program it hasn't seen before wants to
>>> connect to the internet
>> Not sure what you mean by this, but if you have the firewall
>> (antihacker) section set to run in Training Mode it certainly detects
>> and warns of attempts by new programs to access the internet.
> >
> Yes I am in training mode, but you can accept the connection without
> knowing the Kapersky password. This stems back from when the Mrs
> downloaded a sort of virus, then she told ZoneAlarm to allow this new
> program that appeared to access the internet. You can do a similar
> thing in KIS as far as I can tell
Yes, I think you are right. Not aware that the password protection
extends to this. You could ask on the Kaspersky forum where the folks
are very responsive and will certainly be able to answer this question.

http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showforum=4

--
Wilf