web 2.0 ??

hi,
more and more web sites are coming up with new features like those
frameless ( with frameless i mean those windows totally without browser
frame, not those generated by javascript/css ), transparent popup
windows with (dynamic) web content, e.g. ask.com.
sometimes they are generated by (top-text) services like intellitext
(vibrant technologies) or kontera.
how do those popups technology work (code-technically)?
does it belong to web 2.0 and where can i find www resources about such
technology?
any hints appreciated...

thanks

lester

Re: web 2.0 ??

lester psigal wrote:
> hi,
> more and more web sites are coming up with new features like those
> frameless ( with frameless i mean those windows totally without
> browser frame, not those generated by javascript/css ), transparent
> popup windows with (dynamic) web content, e.g. ask.com.
> sometimes they are generated by (top-text) services like intellitext
> (vibrant technologies) or kontera.
> how do those popups technology work (code-technically)?
> does it belong to web 2.0 and where can i find www resources about
> such technology?
> any hints appreciated...
>
> thanks
>
> lester

that's ad popups and new entries into text adverts.
nothing to do with 2.0
2.0 is really more about styling and efficient content delivery.

Re: web 2.0 ??

"lester psigal" wrote in message
news:46b2edac$0$3830$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net...
> hi,
> more and more web sites are coming up with new features like those
> frameless ( with frameless i mean those windows totally without browser
> frame, not those generated by javascript/css ), transparent popup
> windows with (dynamic) web content, e.g. ask.com.
> sometimes they are generated by (top-text) services like intellitext
> (vibrant technologies) or kontera.
> how do those popups technology work (code-technically)?
> does it belong to web 2.0 and where can i find www resources about such
> technology?
> any hints appreciated...

What?

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Re: web 2.0 ??

lester psigal wrote:
> hi,
> more and more web sites are coming up with new features like those
> frameless ( with frameless i mean those windows totally without browser
> frame, not those generated by javascript/css ), transparent popup
> windows with (dynamic) web content, e.g. ask.com.
> sometimes they are generated by (top-text) services like intellitext
> (vibrant technologies) or kontera.
> how do those popups technology work (code-technically)?
> does it belong to web 2.0 and where can i find www resources about such
> technology?
> any hints appreciated...
>
> thanks
>
> lester
>
>
hi,
thanks to all for answering my question, especially to michael fesser
and ben c, if i get you right, those 'popping up', 'frameless' windows
are not really window objects of their own in the sense of javascript,
they are more a kind of 'dynamic css' (that's what i've assumed) and are
triggered via javascript and dom in the already loaded window object and
just 'mimicking' the behaviour of a real popup window.
the reason i've asked was that i did not find a coding example or even
mentioning of the technology in my web programming literature and when
looking to the source code of e.g. ask.com it wasn't obvious to me how
it exactly works.

lester

Re: web 2.0 ??

lester psigal wrote:
> hi,
> more and more web sites are coming up with new features like those
> frameless ( with frameless i mean those windows totally without browser
> frame, not those generated by javascript/css ), transparent popup
> windows with (dynamic) web content, e.g. ask.com.
> sometimes they are generated by (top-text) services like intellitext
> (vibrant technologies) or kontera.
> how do those popups technology work (code-technically)?
> does it belong to web 2.0 and where can i find www resources about such
> technology?
> any hints appreciated...
>

pop-ups are so 90s. just forget about them (together with the frames you
mentioned). Sorry, but I didn't understand the rest of your question.
Web2.0 has nothing to do with what you described. Web2.0 is mainly a
buzzword and usually refers to user-content-generated sites and all the
involved collateral damage (mash-ups, x-site-content generation)

bernhard


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Re: web 2.0 ??

..oO(lester psigal)

>more and more web sites are coming up with new features like those
>frameless ( with frameless i mean those windows totally without browser
>frame, not those generated by javascript/css ), transparent popup
>windows with (dynamic) web content, e.g. ask.com.
>sometimes they are generated by (top-text) services like intellitext
>(vibrant technologies) or kontera.
>how do those popups technology work (code-technically)?

It's often just a 'div' with a semi-transparent background (PNG for
example), absolutely positioned with CSS on top of everything else.

>does it belong to web 2.0

"Web 2.0" is just a marketing gag, nothing special, nothing new.

Micha

Re: web 2.0 ??

On 2007-08-03, lester psigal wrote:
> hi,
> more and more web sites are coming up with new features like those
> frameless ( with frameless i mean those windows totally without browser
> frame, not those generated by javascript/css ), transparent popup
> windows with (dynamic) web content, e.g. ask.com.
> sometimes they are generated by (top-text) services like intellitext
> (vibrant technologies) or kontera.
> how do those popups technology work (code-technically)?

They are probably not actual windows in the way that a traditional popup
is, but absolutely-positioned divs with opacity set on them that are
toggled from visibility: hidden to visibility: visible by JS/DOM. Their
contents can be updated dynamically just like any other part of the
document from JS using the DOM.

You can style them how you like, including not giving them borders.

> does it belong to web 2.0 and where can i find www resources about such
> technology?

Web 2.0 is just a buzzword but yes this kind of thing is associated with
it. If you want to try out things like this, read about the DOM and
JavaScript. If you want the page to be able to refresh parts of its
contents with data from the server without reloading completely, use the
XMLHttpRequest object.

Whether the result counts as Web 2.0 is done on a scoring system where
you get points for using XMLHttpRequest, having a blog, excessive use of
lowercase, opacity effects, cool limegreen colour scheme, dashed
borders, etc. :)

Re: web 2.0 ??

While the city slept, Ben C (spamspam@spam.eggs) feverishly typed...
[...]

> Whether the result counts as Web 2.0 is done on a scoring system where
> you get points for using XMLHttpRequest, having a blog, excessive use
> of lowercase, opacity effects, cool limegreen colour scheme, dashed
> borders, etc. :)

LOL! Probably one of the finest explanations of "Web 2.0" I've ever read ;-)

Might I also suggest "having a name that makes little sense" (eg, "flickr",
"bebo" etc)

Cheers,
Nige

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Re: web 2.0 ??

Ben C wrote:

> Whether the result counts as Web 2.0 is done on a scoring system where
> you get points for using XMLHttpRequest, having a blog, excessive use of
> lowercase, opacity effects, cool limegreen colour scheme, dashed
> borders, etc. :)

http://validator.buzzword.org.uk

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Re: web 2.0 ??

On 2007-08-03, lester psigal wrote:
> lester psigal wrote:
>> hi,
>> more and more web sites are coming up with new features like those
>> frameless ( with frameless i mean those windows totally without browser
>> frame, not those generated by javascript/css ), transparent popup
>> windows with (dynamic) web content, e.g. ask.com.
>> sometimes they are generated by (top-text) services like intellitext
>> (vibrant technologies) or kontera.
>> how do those popups technology work (code-technically)?
>> does it belong to web 2.0 and where can i find www resources about such
>> technology?
>> any hints appreciated...
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> lester
>>
>>
> hi,
> thanks to all for answering my question, especially to michael fesser
> and ben c, if i get you right, those 'popping up', 'frameless' windows
> are not really window objects of their own in the sense of javascript,
> they are more a kind of 'dynamic css' (that's what i've assumed) and are
> triggered via javascript and dom in the already loaded window object and
> just 'mimicking' the behaviour of a real popup window.

Yes I think that's how they're done.

> the reason i've asked was that i did not find a coding example or even
> mentioning of the technology in my web programming literature and when
> looking to the source code of e.g. ask.com it wasn't obvious to me how
> it exactly works.

I tried an example, you can look at the source, it should be quite
simple. Don't know if it works in IE but Firefox should be OK.

http://www.tidraso.co.uk/misc/popup.html

Re: web 2.0 ??

In article
<46b380b7$0$97250$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,
"nice.guy.nige" wrote:

> While the city slept, Ben C (spamspam@spam.eggs) feverishly typed...
> [...]
>
> > Whether the result counts as Web 2.0 is done on a scoring system where
> > you get points for ... excessive use
> > of lowercase...

This makes me feel 'Web 2.0'y. It feels modern and progressive
and young...

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Re: web 2.0 ??

Ben C wrote:

> I tried an example, you can look at the source, it should be quite
> simple. Don't know if it works in IE but Firefox should be OK.
>
> http://www.tidraso.co.uk/misc/popup.html

Nothing happened here, with Firefox. Of course, JavaScript is stripped
by my corporate firewall.

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Re: CSS/js "popups" was Re: web 2.0 ??

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed lester psigal
writing in news:46b2edac$0$3830$9b4e6d93
@newsspool4.arcor-online.net:

> hi,
> more and more web sites are coming up with new features like those
> frameless ( with frameless i mean those windows totally without browser
> frame, not those generated by javascript/css ), transparent popup
> windows with (dynamic) web content, e.g. ask.com.
> sometimes they are generated by (top-text) services like intellitext
> (vibrant technologies) or kontera.
> how do those popups technology work (code-technically)?

Personally, I think these things are worse than "real" popups because you
can't move them out of the way. One of the worst offenders is
http://www.tek-tips.com. It ##$$$%%% thing drops down from the top of
the screen and places itself right where you want, or more likely
started, to read - you have to close it.

Please, if you're thinking about doing this, don't. At least use regular
popups that my browser can block. Thanks!


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Re: CSS/js "popups" was Re: web 2.0 ??

Adrienne Boswell wrote:
>
> Personally, I think these things are worse than "real" popups because you
> can't move them out of the way. One of the worst offenders is
> http://www.tek-tips.com.

Now there's a great example of why I browse with JS disabled by default.
You might consider doing that, too.

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Re: web 2.0 ??

Ben C wrote:
> On 2007-08-03, lester psigal wrote:
>> lester psigal wrote:
>>> hi,
>>> more and more web sites are coming up with new features like those
>>> frameless ( with frameless i mean those windows totally without browser
>>> frame, not those generated by javascript/css ), transparent popup
>>> windows with (dynamic) web content, e.g. ask.com.
>>> sometimes they are generated by (top-text) services like intellitext
>>> (vibrant technologies) or kontera.
>>> how do those popups technology work (code-technically)?
>>> does it belong to web 2.0 and where can i find www resources about such
>>> technology?
>>> any hints appreciated...
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> lester
>>>
>>>
>> hi,
>> thanks to all for answering my question, especially to michael fesser
>> and ben c, if i get you right, those 'popping up', 'frameless' windows
>> are not really window objects of their own in the sense of javascript,
>> they are more a kind of 'dynamic css' (that's what i've assumed) and are
>> triggered via javascript and dom in the already loaded window object and
>> just 'mimicking' the behaviour of a real popup window.
>
> Yes I think that's how they're done.
>
>> the reason i've asked was that i did not find a coding example or even
>> mentioning of the technology in my web programming literature and when
>> looking to the source code of e.g. ask.com it wasn't obvious to me how
>> it exactly works.
>
> I tried an example, you can look at the source, it should be quite
> simple. Don't know if it works in IE but Firefox should be OK.
>
> http://www.tidraso.co.uk/misc/popup.html

thanks for the coding example, works perfectly with my browser
(firefox). surely there are pages out there which are abusing such
capabilities for their aggressive advertising campaigns (as usually)
but i think it's not a bad thing on its own.
there are cases where it could be very useful to have
such dynamic popups not opening in a separate browser windows, for
example i'm planning to implement those popups for help functionality on
form fields.

Re: web 2.0 ??

Ben C wrote:
>
> Whether the result counts as Web 2.0 is done on a scoring system where
> you get points for using XMLHttpRequest, having a blog, excessive use of
> lowercase, opacity effects, cool limegreen colour scheme, dashed
> borders, etc. :)

and using glass-effects on every single logo... I get so fed up with
those, and what amazes me most is that many big companies started to
redesign their logos in a 'web2.0' manner (e.g. ford). wonder how long
this trend will last. (if you want to create your *own* web2.0-logo:
http://creatr.cc/creatr/ :-)

cheers
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Re: web 2.0 ??

On 2007-08-06, lester psigal wrote:
> Ben C wrote:
[...]
>> I tried an example, you can look at the source, it should be quite
>> simple. Don't know if it works in IE but Firefox should be OK.
>>
>> http://www.tidraso.co.uk/misc/popup.html
>
> thanks for the coding example, works perfectly with my browser
> (firefox). surely there are pages out there which are abusing such
> capabilities for their aggressive advertising campaigns (as usually)

Probably, but if a page is too annoying people just stop reading it so
that aggressive approach can easily backfire.

> but i think it's not a bad thing on its own.
> there are cases where it could be very useful to have
> such dynamic popups not opening in a separate browser windows, for
> example i'm planning to implement those popups for help functionality on
> form fields.

I don't see why not, although you should bear in mind that some people
turn off JavaScript or even get it stripped out by their firewall.