Question re ASP vs PHP

Further to my recent inquiries about server-side scripting, it seems that
the web host for my friend's business site doesn't have PHP installed but
does have ASP (which I understand to be the Microsoft equivalent).

My impression is that I can't install PHP myself -- it's something the web
host has to do, correct?

Second question: How much does ASP differ from PHP?

These questions may sound naive as I'm pretty murky about server-side stuff.
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M

Re: Question re ASP vs PHP

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>Further to my recent inquiries about server-side scripting, it seems that
>the web host for my friend's business site doesn't have PHP installed but
>does have ASP (which I understand to be the Microsoft equivalent).
>
>My impression is that I can't install PHP myself -- it's something the web
>host has to do, correct?

Correct.

>Second question: How much does ASP differ from PHP?

66.6% ...

A != P
S != H
P == P

SCNR

In fact, they are two entirely different languages, but of course both
can be useful if you know how to deal with them. If you can do something
in one language, you can do it in the other as well. It all depends on
what's available on the server and your personal preferences.

Micha

Re: Question re ASP vs PHP

M wrote:

> My impression is that I can't install PHP myself -- it's something the web
> host has to do, correct?

Thats right, the server side scripting language has to be enabled on the
webserver, or else the scripts are forwarded in plain text.


> Second question: How much does ASP differ from PHP?

As much as basic from a modula2 like language.
One of the major things is that PHP you cfan run on the majority of operating
system, while asp you are limited to microsft servers (with some exceptions),
so the day you think of switching to another host, you may have to start all
over again. I do suggest you take and select another host.


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//Aho

Re: Question re ASP vs PHP

Michael Fesser wrote:

> In fact, they are two entirely different languages, but of course both
> can be useful if you know how to deal with them.

Technically ASP is not a language: it is a framework within which
languages operate. The two most commonly used languages within ASP are
VBScript and JScript. Perl is also popular. PHP is, IIRC, a possibility,
though quite experimental.

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Re: Question re ASP vs PHP

M wrote:

> My impression is that I can't install PHP myself

If your host supports CGI, then it may be possible, but probably more
effort than it's worth. Get them to change hosts.

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Command Line Interfaces, Again
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Re: Question re ASP vs PHP

"M" writes:

> My impression is that I can't install PHP myself -- it's something the web
> host has to do, correct?

Correct?

> Second question: How much does ASP differ from PHP?

How much does English differ from Swahili? :-)

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Re: Question re ASP vs PHP

"M" wrote in message
news:QoJsi.25946$_d2.7711@pd7urf3no...
> Further to my recent inquiries about server-side scripting, it seems that
> the web host for my friend's business site doesn't have PHP installed but
> does have ASP (which I understand to be the Microsoft equivalent).

Yes, ASP came from Microsoft. I believe ports are available for Unix
platforms which means there is no reason why ASP can't be available for both
Unix and Windows hosts.

> My impression is that I can't install PHP myself -- it's something the web
> host has to do, correct?
>
> Second question: How much does ASP differ from PHP?
>
> These questions may sound naive as I'm pretty murky about server-side
> stuff.

I think others have covered most aspects of this. Just a couple of points:

1. PHP is available for both Unix and Windows hosts. Since its free for the
hosting company to install, there shouldn't be any reason why its not
available for all hosts. Might be worth asking them whether they could
supply PHP.

2. ASP has been superseeded by ASP.NET. This means in practise that ASP is
obsolete and (in my opinion) not worth learning.

If you are new to this then don't go the ASP route. (ASP.NET yes, but then
that limits you to Windows hosting which is more expensive.)
--
Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian

Re: Question re ASP vs PHP

On 5 aug, 18:58, "Brian Cryer"
wrote:
> "M" wrote in message
>
> news:QoJsi.25946$_d2.7711@pd7urf3no...
>
> > Further to my recent inquiries about server-side scripting, it seems that
> > the web host for my friend's business site doesn't have PHP installed but
> > does have ASP (which I understand to be the Microsoft equivalent).
>
> Yes, ASP came from Microsoft. I believe ports are available for Unix
> platforms which means there is no reason why ASP can't be available for both
> Unix and Windows hosts.
>
> > My impression is that I can't install PHP myself -- it's something the web
> > host has to do, correct?
>
> > Second question: How much does ASP differ from PHP?
>
> > These questions may sound naive as I'm pretty murky about server-side
> > stuff.
>
> I think others have covered most aspects of this. Just a couple of points:
>
> 1. PHP is available for both Unix and Windows hosts. Since its free for the
> hosting company to install, there shouldn't be any reason why its not
> available for all hosts. Might be worth asking them whether they could
> supply PHP.
>
> 2. ASP has been superseeded by ASP.NET. This means in practise that ASP is
> obsolete and (in my opinion) not worth learning.
>
> If you are new to this then don't go the ASP route. (ASP.NET yes, but then
> that limits you to Windows hosting which is more expensive.)
> --
> Brian Cryerwww.cryer.co.uk/brian

I assume you want to compare ASP.NET and PHP? They are actually
incomparable because ASP.NET is a framework and PHP is a programming
language. You should compare ASP.NET to a framework that uses PHP
(CakePhp for example).

I both used ASP.NET and PHP (not a framework though) extensively and I
both don't like them:
- PHP has no consistency and is insecure. The object oriented model of
PHP4 is really, very, very, very bad. Although they improved it since
version 5 I think. On the other hand PHP has a very low learning curve
and a very big community. It's also open source.
- ASP.NET is overly complex and you need a heavy, bloated IDE for it
(Visual Studio). ASP.NET also uses strongly typed languages which need
a lot of compile time before you want to see changes you made. This
makes development cumbersome although Microsoft is working on
scripting language support for .NET and thus ASP (Python and Ruby).
Another drawback is that the learning curve is quite hard but this is
actually the case with most frameworks (vs languages). positive note:
ASP.NET is driven by the .NET framework which, in my opinion, is
great.