Hello
I'm getting BSOD's on a new PC on which I installed Kerio
2.1.5, like I do on the PC's I have. So I guess it's time to move on.
At this point, I tried Sunbelt Kerio, Outpost, Comodo, and Jetico:
None of them has the ease of use of Kerio :-/ They're a pain to
configure.
Are there others I should look at, or are those the best there are?
Thank you.
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:39:48 -0500, Casey
wrote:
> You might want to try Sygate firewall.
>http://www.savefile.com/projects/1045215
>I have used v5.5b2710 on my Win98 box for about 6_yrs. with
>excellent results--no virus or malware have gotten in.
Thanks for the link. Sygate was bought by Symantec in 2005, and
replaced by Symantecs Norton Internet Security.
Did you get to use it in 2000, XP, and Vista, and with good results? I
wouldn't want to leave Kerio 2.1.5 for something that also shows some
problems, sometimes.
Strange that no one copied Kerio's easy interface.
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Casey
> nospam@nospam.com says...
>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:39:48 -0500, Casey wrote:
>>> You might want to try Sygate firewall.
>>> http://www.savefile.com/projects/1045215
>>> I have used v5.5b2710 on my Win98 box for about 6_yrs. with
>>> excellent results--no virus or malware have gotten in.
>>
>> Thanks for the link. Sygate was bought by Symantec in 2005, and
>> replaced by Symantec?s Norton Internet Security.
>
> I was aware of this--too bad they got bought out.
>
>> Did you get to use it in 2000, XP, and Vista, and with good results? I
>> wouldn't want to leave Kerio 2.1.5 for something that also shows some
>> problems, sometimes.
>
> No, I just have a single computer running Win98
So you're running a PFW that is no longer supported on an operating
system that is no longer supported (and doesn't need a PFW to prevent
malware from getting in in the first place as long as you disable file
and printer sharing). I could tell you just how utterly stupid that is,
but since this already has been explained to you several times (and
you've actively ignored it just as many times) I won't bother.
cu
59cobalt
--
"If a software developer ever believes a rootkit is a necessary part of
their architecture they should go back and re-architect their solution."
--Mark Russinovich
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Casey wrote:
> In article
> says...
>> Casey
>>> nospam@nospam.com says...
>>>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:39:48 -0500, Casey wrote:
>>>>> You might want to try Sygate firewall.
>>>>> http://www.savefile.com/projects/1045215
>>>>> I have used v5.5b2710 on my Win98 box for about 6_yrs. with
>>>>> excellent results--no virus or malware have gotten in.
>>>> Thanks for the link. Sygate was bought by Symantec in 2005, and
>>>> replaced by Symantec?s Norton Internet Security.
>>> I was aware of this--too bad they got bought out.
>>>
>>>> Did you get to use it in 2000, XP, and Vista, and with good results? I
>>>> wouldn't want to leave Kerio 2.1.5 for something that also shows some
>>>> problems, sometimes.
>>> No, I just have a single computer running Win98
>> So you're running a PFW that is no longer supported on an operating
>> system that is no longer supported (and doesn't need a PFW to prevent
>> malware from getting in in the first place as long as you disable file
>> and printer sharing). I could tell you just how utterly stupid that is,
>> but since this already has been explained to you several times (and
>> you've actively ignored it just as many times) I won't bother.
>>
>> cu
>> 59cobalt
>>
> 59cobalt. Thank you so very, very much for point out the stupid use
> of my Sygate PFW. I don't know how I have gotten along without this
> "new" information all these years.
> My main purpose in using Sygate is that it has an outstanding traffic
> log--It keeps me informed on what is going on in my computer.
> Casey
BRAVO! What does "supported" mean? It means
BLOATED with numerous useless capabilities,
fixable by fewer real people, at fewer locations,
at a greater and greater cost to the poor sap who
thought he needed the newer SUPPORTED
hardware/software.
I've been running WindowsME with Kerio 2.1.5
for years and never had a single, invasive,
problem. NEVER. That machine will do anything you
ask a WindowsXP machine to do.If your smart enough
to practice safe hex, your smart enough not to
fall for the 'newer', 'supported' bullshit. (See:
Windows Vista).
Ed Mc
> Casey wrote:
>> usenet-2007@planetcobalt.net says...
>>> So you're running a PFW that is no longer supported on an operating
>>> system that is no longer supported (and doesn't need a PFW to prevent
>>> malware from getting in in the first place as long as you disable file
>>> and printer sharing). I could tell you just how utterly stupid that is,
>>> but since this already has been explained to you several times (and
>>> you've actively ignored it just as many times) I won't bother.
>>
>> 59cobalt. Thank you so very, very much for point out the stupid use
>> of my Sygate PFW. I don't know how I have gotten along without this
>> "new" information all these years.
>> My main purpose in using Sygate is that it has an outstanding traffic
>> log--It keeps me informed on what is going on in my computer.
As long as no program tinkers with it or simply disables it. Which is
exactly no problem on Windows 9x. But who am I telling this?
> BRAVO! What does "supported" mean? It means BLOATED with numerous
> useless capabilities, fixable by fewer real people, at fewer
> locations, at a greater and greater cost to the poor sap who thought
> he needed the newer SUPPORTED hardware/software.
Nope. It means you have a non-zero chance to get updates when a
vulnerability is discovered.
> I've been running WindowsME with Kerio 2.1.5 for years and never
> had a single, invasive, problem. NEVER.
Well, none that you were aware of, that is.
> That machine will do anything you ask a WindowsXP machine to do.
Yeah, right. Except for being able to create restricted users. Or being
able to restrict access to files/folders. Or the registry. Or having
reasonable logging. Or anything else that will provide at least *some*
security.
> If your smart enough to practice safe hex, your smart enough not to
> fall for the 'newer', 'supported' bullshit.
Apparently you aren't exactly smart enough to understand the real
problem with "no longer supported". And about "practicing safe hex",
mmm... let's see:
| 2. Keep your operating system and programs patched
| You are strongly advised to apply all security-related patches for
| your software as they become available.
[http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html#2]
So tell me, wiseguy, how do you "practice safe hex" when you can't get
security-related patches because your software IS NOT SUPPORTED ANYMORE?
cu
59cobalt
--
"If a software developer ever believes a rootkit is a necessary part of
their architecture they should go back and re-architect their solution."
--Mark Russinovich
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"Ed Mc"
news:cfKdnSFqSs_jTFjbnZ2dnUVZ_ualnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Casey wrote:
>> In article
>> says...
>>> Casey
>>>> nospam@nospam.com says...
>>>>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:39:48 -0500, Casey wrote:
>>>>>> You might want to try Sygate firewall.
>>>>>> http://www.savefile.com/projects/1045215
>>>>>> I have used v5.5b2710 on my Win98 box for about 6_yrs. with
>>>>>> excellent results--no virus or malware have gotten in.
>>>>> Thanks for the link. Sygate was bought by Symantec in 2005, and
>>>>> replaced by Symantec?s Norton Internet Security.
>>>> I was aware of this--too bad they got bought out.
>>>>
>>>>> Did you get to use it in 2000, XP, and Vista, and with good results? I
>>>>> wouldn't want to leave Kerio 2.1.5 for something that also shows some
>>>>> problems, sometimes.
>>>> No, I just have a single computer running Win98
>>> So you're running a PFW that is no longer supported on an operating
>>> system that is no longer supported (and doesn't need a PFW to prevent
>>> malware from getting in in the first place as long as you disable file
>>> and printer sharing). I could tell you just how utterly stupid that is,
>>> but since this already has been explained to you several times (and
>>> you've actively ignored it just as many times) I won't bother.
>>>
>>> cu
>>> 59cobalt
>>>
>> 59cobalt. Thank you so very, very much for point out the stupid use
>> of my Sygate PFW. I don't know how I have gotten along without this
>> "new" information all these years. My main purpose in using Sygate is
>> that it has an outstanding traffic
>> log--It keeps me informed on what is going on in my computer.
>> Casey
> BRAVO! What does "supported" mean? It means BLOATED with numerous
> useless capabilities, fixable by fewer real people, at fewer locations, at
> a greater and greater cost to the poor sap who thought he needed the newer
> SUPPORTED hardware/software.
> I've been running WindowsME with Kerio 2.1.5 for years and never had
> a single, invasive, problem. NEVER. That machine will do anything you ask
> a WindowsXP machine to do.If your smart enough to practice safe hex, your
> smart enough not to fall for the 'newer', 'supported' bullshit. (See:
> Windows Vista).
LOL!!!!!!
I have used all the MS O/S(s) including Vista too. I didn't and don't have
a problem using any of them.
I guess it all depends upon who is sitting behind the keyboard and mouse
doing the typing and clicking.
Oh, I did have to dump Windows ME that crash prone piece of crap that
crashed and rebooted itself on my laptop that was wireless every time a car
or truck drove by putting out heavy frequencies.
I replaced ME on the laptop with Win 2K and then XP and never had another
problem on the wireless after that. :)
I am even running Vista on this HP dv9000 Entertainment laptop that's got
wireless and no problems using Vista.
And I'll tell you right now that the ME O/S cannot do everything a NT
classed O/S can do. Maybe, from your standpoint of being home user that you
think that the Windows ME O/S is in the class of a NT class O/S. It's no
where in the ballpark.
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BoB
> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:25:58 +0200, Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers wrote:
>> So tell me, wiseguy, how do you "practice safe hex" when you can't
>> get security-related patches because your software IS NOT SUPPORTED
>> ANYMORE?
>
> When you practice CORRECT safe hex, MS updates are not necessary. This
> includes of course, do not use OE, IE, and other MS programs.
ORLY? So what you're trying to tell me is that somehow you're magically
running Windows without running Windows? I'd like to see how that trick
works. Or do you for some exotic reason actually believe an operating
system would never require updates?
> My present '02 version of 98SE has never been updated and I've never
> had an infection.
Or maybe you just never noticed? Who knows.
> And Kerio 2.1.5 is working just fine.
Without any updates since December 31, 2005. So much for "safe hex".
If only I got one nickel for every idiot ...
cu
59cobalt
--
"If a software developer ever believes a rootkit is a necessary part of
their architecture they should go back and re-architect their solution."
--Mark Russinovich
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Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
> ORLY? So what you're trying to tell me is that somehow you're magically
> running Windows without running Windows? I'd like to see how that trick
> works. Or do you for some exotic reason actually believe an operating
> system would never require updates?
No he said running Windows OS without MS bloatware (IE + OE etc.). Actually
I'm jumping in here because I've got a '98 desktop still running fine using
Firefox and Pine. I need a legit Windows desktop and I'm damned if I'm
_ever_ paying MS for a license.. no way.
>> My present '02 version of 98SE has never been updated and I've never
>> had an infection.
> Or maybe you just never noticed? Who knows.
>> And Kerio 2.1.5 is working just fine.
> Without any updates since December 31, 2005. So much for "safe hex".
Are you absolutely sure that all software must be updated to be safe? Since
the majority of vulnerabilities posted are found in new-ish versions of sw
and '98 was updated to death before MS decided they'd rather sell XP/2003,
I think the guys setup is better than a Vista box with "the latest
updates". I don't think the blackhats are spending sleepless nights trying
to break into 98SE, it's been done to death. And Kerio does it's job. No
it's not perfect and I wouldn't trust it with my life. But for a home
browsing/email system it's fine and dandy.
Badly configured Linux boxes are much more of a target for misuse.. for a
start 98 really doesn't have any decent tools to exploit anything else.
> If only I got one nickel for every idiot ...
....you'd sell software updates? :^)
--
Jamin @ Home: Chester UK -
Jamin Davis
> Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
>> ORLY? So what you're trying to tell me is that somehow you're
>> magically running Windows without running Windows? I'd like to see
>> how that trick works. Or do you for some exotic reason actually
>> believe an operating system would never require updates?
>
> No he said running Windows OS without MS bloatware (IE + OE etc.).
Who exactly was the manufacturer of Windows again?
[...]
>>> And Kerio 2.1.5 is working just fine.
>>
>> Without any updates since December 31, 2005. So much for "safe hex".
>
> Are you absolutely sure that all software must be updated to be safe?
Umm... yes? Unless you can explain how to "practice safe hex" without
actually implementing its principles.
> Since the majority of vulnerabilities posted are found in new-ish
> versions of sw and '98 was updated to death before MS decided they'd
> rather sell XP/2003, I think the guys setup is better than a Vista box
> with "the latest updates".
Then you think wrong. Plain and simple.
> I don't think the blackhats are spending sleepless nights trying to
> break into 98SE, it's been done to death. And Kerio does it's job.
Unfortunately the blackhats don't really care that much about what you
think.
> it's not perfect and I wouldn't trust it with my life. But for a home
> browsing/email system it's fine and dandy.
No.
cu
59cobalt
--
"If a software developer ever believes a rootkit is a necessary part of
their architecture they should go back and re-architect their solution."
--Mark Russinovich
Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
>
>> I don't think the blackhats are spending sleepless nights trying to
>> break into 98SE, it's been done to death. And Kerio does it's job.
> Unfortunately the blackhats don't really care that much about what you
> think.
I stand by what I say - nobody is going to waste time breaking a 98 box for
whatever reason. Maybe you do - just to prove your point ;-|
>> it's not perfect and I wouldn't trust it with my life. But for a home
>> browsing/email system it's fine and dandy.
> No.
OK your opinion. If you've got lots of money to throw at MS be my guest.
Upgrades are available from isohunt.com or microsoft.com.
--
Jamin @ Home: Chester UK -
Jamin Davis
> Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
>>> it's not perfect and I wouldn't trust it with my life. But for a home
>>> browsing/email system it's fine and dandy.
>>
>> No.
>
> OK your opinion.
Nope. We were talking about security and safe hex. And you still failed
to explain how to practice safe hex without implementing its principles.
> If you've got lots of money to throw at MS be my guest.
> Upgrades are available from isohunt.com or microsoft.com.
Another case of entirely missing the point.
*sigh*
cu
59cobalt
--
"If a software developer ever believes a rootkit is a necessary part of
their architecture they should go back and re-architect their solution."
--Mark Russinovich