PHP and .NET

Before I begin let me thank the many people in this group who have helped me
over the last few years. It has been greatly appreciated.

For the last several years I have been coding all server code in php. I
love the language. However, I live in an area (in the midlle of a triangle
formed by Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville) that seems to have companies that
use .NET and asp. I have done no work in these, so I have to learn them
quickly so that I can get a job/contract.

I have found a great site called www.w3schools.com, and am looking there to
study aspx (asp with .net). I have even installed IIS on my machine so
that I can proceed. I still use Dreamweaver as my editor/syntax indicator.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to the best way to proceed, great
tutorials other than this one, and a news group for aspx that is as good as
this one is for php?

Thanks.

--
Shelly

Re: PHP and .NET

Sheldon Glickler wrote:
> Before I begin let me thank the many people in this group who have helped me
> over the last few years. It has been greatly appreciated.
>
> For the last several years I have been coding all server code in php. I
> love the language. However, I live in an area (in the midlle of a triangle
> formed by Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville) that seems to have companies that
> use .NET and asp. I have done no work in these, so I have to learn them
> quickly so that I can get a job/contract.
>
> I have found a great site called www.w3schools.com, and am looking there to
> study aspx (asp with .net). I have even installed IIS on my machine so
> that I can proceed. I still use Dreamweaver as my editor/syntax indicator.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to the best way to proceed, great
> tutorials other than this one, and a news group for aspx that is as good as
> this one is for php?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Shelly
>
>

I wouldn't expect anyone in a PHP group to necessarily know anything
about asp.net. Why don't you try one of their newsgroups?

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JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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Re: PHP and .NET

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
news:3LydnRZnr7CnUEzbnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Sheldon Glickler wrote:
>> Before I begin let me thank the many people in this group who have helped
>> me over the last few years. It has been greatly appreciated.
>>
>> For the last several years I have been coding all server code in php. I
>> love the language. However, I live in an area (in the midlle of a
>> triangle formed by Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville) that seems to have
>> companies that use .NET and asp. I have done no work in these, so I have
>> to learn them quickly so that I can get a job/contract.
>>
>> I have found a great site called www.w3schools.com, and am looking there
>> to study aspx (asp with .net). I have even installed IIS on my machine
>> so that I can proceed. I still use Dreamweaver as my editor/syntax
>> indicator.
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to the best way to proceed, great
>> tutorials other than this one, and a news group for aspx that is as good
>> as this one is for php?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Shelly
>
> I wouldn't expect anyone in a PHP group to necessarily know anything about
> asp.net. Why don't you try one of their newsgroups?

That's why I love this group -- always helpful. That was a big "DUH" for
me. I should have thought of that first/.

Re: PHP and .NET

"Sheldon Glickler" ha scritto nel messaggio
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>
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to the best way to proceed, great
> tutorials other than this one, and a news group for aspx that is as good
> as this one is for php?

I'm a good c#/.Net programmer, but I hate asp.net (it's really complex to me
and difficult to make it run on some providers), that's why I'm trying php
(I begin looking/modify some CMS code).

But I can help you telling that you could try as IDE/debugger the Express
release of Microsoft VisualStudio (basic relative to the pro version, but
free and without license limits).

Web development Express 2005, .Net Fw 2.0
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/es-ar/express/aa974185.aspx


Web development Express 2008, .Net Fw 3.x (beta2)
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/es-ar/express/future/bb676747.asp x

Re: PHP and .NET

"Sheldon Glickler" wrote in message
news:13d3dlgooc9scff@corp.supernews.com...
> Before I begin let me thank the many people in this group who have helped
> me over the last few years. It has been greatly appreciated.
>
> For the last several years I have been coding all server code in php. I
> love the language. However, I live in an area (in the midlle of a
> triangle formed by Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville) that seems to have
> companies that use .NET and asp. I have done no work in these, so I have
> to learn them quickly so that I can get a job/contract.
>
> I have found a great site called www.w3schools.com, and am looking there
> to study aspx (asp with .net). I have even installed IIS on my machine
> so that I can proceed. I still use Dreamweaver as my editor/syntax
> indicator.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to the best way to proceed, great
> tutorials other than this one, and a news group for aspx that is as good
> as this one is for php?

Keep using the groups you know and love for PHP but also consider
subscribing to the usenet groups on .Net and ASP etc but also (probably
better) the freely available Microsoft newsgroups.

Microsoft has a newsgroup on practically ever one of their products and
dozens on each major subsystem for the large products like Windows Server
(AD, DNS, Routing, etc are all separate newsgroups) or even for Exchange
and SQL server.

You will find not only general groups on IIS but also specific groups on ASP
and .Net programming, security, etc.

nttp://msnews.microsoft.com

(No password, no user name required to read OR post.)

You can of course use Google Groups to search the archives of this as well.

On the Microsoft groups you will notice that some people have the "title"
MVP (Most Valued Professional) and while this doesn't guarantee correct
answers is DOES mean that the person has answered a LOT of questions and
that others have generally found those answers to be useful and respectful.

These groups are (slightly) moderated to remove offensive language or
spam posts (but not criticisms of MS or it's stuff if they are on topic) so
they
are not very noise like some usenet groups.

The general tone is also very much HELPFUL when someone asks a dumb
or FAQ question; generally you will get a suggestion on how to find the
answer
yourself NEXT TIME and the actual answer -- all done politely and with
respect for "noobies" and newcomers.

The answers tend to be excellent in most of these groups and are perhaps the
single best "unknown" resource for managing, learning, and developing
on Microsoft system.s


--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
http://www.LearnQuick.Com (phone on web site)

If you use LinkedIn then tell me where you know me from when linking:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/herbmartin

Re: PHP and .NET

"Herb Martin" wrote in message
news:46d4b2ca$0$32494$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> "Sheldon Glickler" wrote in message
> news:13d3dlgooc9scff@corp.supernews.com...
>> Before I begin let me thank the many people in this group who have helped
>> me over the last few years. It has been greatly appreciated.
>>
>> For the last several years I have been coding all server code in php. I
>> love the language. However, I live in an area (in the midlle of a
>> triangle formed by Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville) that seems to have
>> companies that use .NET and asp. I have done no work in these, so I have
>> to learn them quickly so that I can get a job/contract.
>>
>> I have found a great site called www.w3schools.com, and am looking there
>> to study aspx (asp with .net). I have even installed IIS on my machine
>> so that I can proceed. I still use Dreamweaver as my editor/syntax
>> indicator.
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to the best way to proceed, great
>> tutorials other than this one, and a news group for aspx that is as good
>> as this one is for php?
>
> Keep using the groups you know and love for PHP but also consider
> subscribing to the usenet groups on .Net and ASP etc but also (probably
> better) the freely available Microsoft newsgroups.
>
> Microsoft has a newsgroup on practically ever one of their products and
> dozens on each major subsystem for the large products like Windows Server
> (AD, DNS, Routing, etc are all separate newsgroups) or even for Exchange
> and SQL server.
>
> You will find not only general groups on IIS but also specific groups on
> ASP
> and .Net programming, security, etc.
>
> nttp://msnews.microsoft.com
>
> (No password, no user name required to read OR post.)
>
> You can of course use Google Groups to search the archives of this as
> well.
>
> On the Microsoft groups you will notice that some people have the "title"
> MVP (Most Valued Professional) and while this doesn't guarantee correct
> answers is DOES mean that the person has answered a LOT of questions and
> that others have generally found those answers to be useful and
> respectful.
>
> These groups are (slightly) moderated to remove offensive language or
> spam posts (but not criticisms of MS or it's stuff if they are on topic)
> so they
> are not very noise like some usenet groups.
>
> The general tone is also very much HELPFUL when someone asks a dumb
> or FAQ question; generally you will get a suggestion on how to find the
> answer
> yourself NEXT TIME and the actual answer -- all done politely and with
> respect for "noobies" and newcomers.
>
> The answers tend to be excellent in most of these groups and are perhaps
> the
> single best "unknown" resource for managing, learning, and developing
> on Microsoft system.s
>

I searched the news groups and didn't find what I want, but I didn't try the
microsoft groups. I will. So far I have downloaded the free web designer
express beta (and also the VB and C#). I started playing with it and it
seems that my php knowledge will be helpful in understanding. It doesn't
look all that hard and it has some nice controls (such as the grid control
for database results and a calendar control.

The big problems I have come across so far are that I cannot see how to
connect to a MySQL database (I need SQLServer or Oracle of even Access) and
my server doesn't seem to understand the aspx controls. This last one I
should be able to resolve by a call the GoDaddy.

Thanks for the suggestions.

--
Shelly

Re: PHP and .NET

"Sheldon Glickler" ha scritto nel messaggio
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> The big problems I have come across so far are that I cannot see how to
> connect to a MySQL database (I need SQLServer or Oracle of even Access)

This is an ado.net problem, not a asp.net one.

> my server doesn't seem to understand the aspx controls.

This is not understandable.


Ask to microsoft NG:

microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.aspnet

microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet

Re: PHP and .NET

>>
>> I wouldn't expect anyone in a PHP group to necessarily know anything
>> about asp.net. Why don't you try one of their newsgroups?
>
> That's why I love this group -- always helpful. That was a big "DUH" for
> me. I should have thought of that first/.

that said...you can download everything you need for asp dev from microsoft
for free including the ide...which indicates to me they don't have the
web-dev language market cornered. they used to charge for that shit. anyway,
any bookstore is your best bet since developing for the web is almost
identical to developing a desktop app. your learning curve will be more
steep unless you are familiar with VB and OOP. unlike php, .net cannot be
quickly learned from internet sources...newsgroups included.

i'd look for work outside of your physical location. consult. work from
home. it's a big world out there and companies don't need to have you in an
office all the time anymore.

Re: PHP and .NET

"Steve" wrote in message
news:urvBi.154$Xt6.133@newsfe06.lga...
>>>
>>> I wouldn't expect anyone in a PHP group to necessarily know anything
>>> about asp.net. Why don't you try one of their newsgroups?
>>
>> That's why I love this group -- always helpful. That was a big "DUH" for
>> me. I should have thought of that first/.
>
> that said...you can download everything you need for asp dev from
> microsoft for free including the ide...which indicates to me they don't
> have the web-dev language market cornered. they used to charge for that
> shit. anyway, any bookstore is your best bet since developing for the web
> is almost identical to developing a desktop app. your learning curve will
> be more steep unless you are familiar with VB and OOP. unlike php, .net
> cannot be quickly learned from internet sources...newsgroups included.
>
> i'd look for work outside of your physical location. consult. work from
> home. it's a big world out there and companies don't need to have you in
> an office all the time anymore.

I downloaded all the stuff from the Microsoft site (yes, I was surprised it
was free). I even downloaded SQLServer Compact 2005. (Now that took a
little learning to set up). I have already accessed that database on my
machine and am in the middle of duplicating a page I created using php. The
Web Designer IDE is pretty nice, and the aspx doesn't look all that hard.
Yes, I am familiar with VB and OOP.

Shelly

Re: PHP and .NET

On Aug 30, 6:22 am, "Shelly" wrote:
> "Steve" wrote in message
>
> news:urvBi.154$Xt6.133@newsfe06.lga...
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> I wouldn't expect anyone in a PHP group to necessarily know anything
> >>> about asp.net. Why don't you try one of their newsgroups?
>
> >> That's why I love this group -- always helpful. That was a big "DUH" for
> >> me. I should have thought of that first/.
>
> > that said...you can download everything you need for asp dev from
> > microsoft for free including the ide...which indicates to me they don't
> > have the web-dev language market cornered. they used to charge for that
> > shit. anyway, any bookstore is your best bet since developing for the web
> > is almost identical to developing a desktop app. your learning curve will
> > be more steep unless you are familiar with VB and OOP. unlike php, .net
> > cannot be quickly learned from internet sources...newsgroups included.
>
> > i'd look for work outside of your physical location. consult. work from
> > home. it's a big world out there and companies don't need to have you in
> > an office all the time anymore.
>
> I downloaded all the stuff from the Microsoft site (yes, I was surprised it
> was free). I even downloaded SQLServer Compact 2005. (Now that took a
> little learning to set up). I have already accessed that database on my
> machine and am in the middle of duplicating a page I created using php. The
> Web Designer IDE is pretty nice, and the aspx doesn't look all that hard.
> Yes, I am familiar with VB and OOP.
>
> Shelly

Not that I am advocating asp, but just to help:

did you notice microsofts asp.net domain and it's videos?
http://www.asp.net/learn/videos/

MS also has a course targeting PHP developers
https://www.microsoftelearning.com/eLearning/offerDetail.asp x?offerPriceId=122941

Re: PHP and .NET

On 30 Aug, 13:51, ELINTPimp wrote:
| did you notice microsofts asp.net domain and it's videos?http://
www.asp.net/learn/videos/
Or even "its videos"!

Re: PHP and .NET

On Aug 26, 1:21 pm, "Sheldon Glickler"
wrote:
> However, I live in an area (in the midlle of a triangle
> formed by Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville) that seems to have companies that
> use .NET and asp.

Move. Something seems very wrong here, PHP is supposed to be
undercutting these technologies. Are the people of the town acting
strangely in any way? Does there seem to be less emotional expression
that you've noticed. At nighttime, are there large groups of them
screaming and running?

HTH,
-r

Re: PHP and .NET

"ELINTPimp" wrote in message > Not that I am advocating
asp, but just to help:
>
> did you notice microsofts asp.net domain and it's videos?
> http://www.asp.net/learn/videos/
>
> MS also has a course targeting PHP developers
> https://www.microsoftelearning.com/eLearning/offerDetail.asp x?offerPriceId=122941
>

Wow! Any more? (XML, etc?)

Re: PHP and .NET

On Aug 30, 8:53 am, Captain Paralytic wrote:
> On 30 Aug, 13:51, ELINTPimp wrote:
> | did you notice microsofts asp.net domain and it's videos?http://www.asp.net/learn/videos/
> Or even "its videos"!

thank's =)
hehe

Re: PHP and .NET

On Aug 30, 9:21 am, r wrote:
> On Aug 26, 1:21 pm, "Sheldon Glickler"
> wrote:
>
> > However, I live in an area (in the midlle of a triangle
> > formed by Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville) that seems to have companies that
> > use .NET and asp.
>
> Move.


Awesome!

Re: PHP and .NET

On Aug 30, 9:51 am, "Shelly" wrote:
> "ELINTPimp" wrote in message > Not that I am advocating
>
> asp, but just to help:
>
>
>
> > did you notice microsofts asp.net domain and it's videos?
> >http://www.asp.net/learn/videos/
>
> > MS also has a course targeting PHP developers
> >https://www.microsoftelearning.com/eLearning/offerDetail.as px?offerPr...
>
> Wow! Any more? (XML, etc?)

Sorry, I came across those "resources" at a low point in my life and I
haven't come across any similar free offerings from MS since.

Hope it helped.

Re: PHP and .NET

"r" wrote in message
news:1188480100.545709.11520@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 26, 1:21 pm, "Sheldon Glickler"
> wrote:
>> However, I live in an area (in the midlle of a triangle
>> formed by Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville) that seems to have companies
>> that
>> use .NET and asp.
>
> Move. Something seems very wrong here, PHP is supposed to be
> undercutting these technologies. Are the people of the town acting
> strangely in any way? Does there seem to be less emotional expression
> that you've noticed. At nighttime, are there large groups of them
> screaming and running?
>
> HTH,
> -r

I live in the middle of a big triangle of Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville.
It is almost ALL .net.

Shelly

Re: PHP and .NET

"ELINTPimp" wrote in message
news:1188482689.572065.92770@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 30, 8:53 am, Captain Paralytic wrote:
>> On 30 Aug, 13:51, ELINTPimp wrote:
>> | did you notice microsofts asp.net domain and it's
>> videos?http://www.asp.net/learn/videos/
>> Or even "its videos"!
>
> thank's =)
> hehe
>

Wouldn't that have been 'Or even "ITs videos"!' ?

Shelly

Re: PHP and .NET

"ELINTPimp" wrote in message
news:1188482757.078122.98080@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 30, 9:21 am, r wrote:
>> On Aug 26, 1:21 pm, "Sheldon Glickler"
>> wrote:
>>
>> > However, I live in an area (in the midlle of a triangle
>> > formed by Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville) that seems to have companies
>> > that
>> > use .NET and asp.
>>
>> Move.
>
>
> Awesome!
>

NEVER! My next home is a 3ft x 7ft. x 2ft. Where I live is Paradise.

Re: PHP and .NET

On Aug 30, 1:04 pm, "Shelly" wrote:
> "ELINTPimp" wrote in message
>
> news:1188482757.078122.98080@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Aug 30, 9:21 am, r wrote:
> >> On Aug 26, 1:21 pm, "Sheldon Glickler"
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > However, I live in an area (in the midlle of a triangle
> >> > formed by Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville) that seems to have companies
> >> > that
> >> > use .NET and asp.
>
> >> Move.
> >
>
> > Awesome!
>
> NEVER! My next home is a 3ft x 7ft. x 2ft. Where I live is Paradise.

Well it is Zend's responsibility to make sure .NET doesn't happen to
entire communities...they need to build a remote project management
office there.

Re: PHP and .NET

"Sheldon Glickler" wrote in message
news:13d9l6544kpf855@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Herb Martin" wrote in message
> news:46d4b2ca$0$32494$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> "Sheldon Glickler" wrote in message
>> news:13d3dlgooc9scff@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Before I begin let me thank the many people in this group who have
>>> helped me over the last few years. It has been greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> For the last several years I have been coding all server code in php. I
>>> love the language. However, I live in an area (in the midlle of a
>>> triangle formed by Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville) that seems to have
>>> companies that use .NET and asp. I have done no work in these, so I
>>> have to learn them quickly so that I can get a job/contract.
>>>
>>> I have found a great site called www.w3schools.com, and am looking there
>>> to study aspx (asp with .net). I have even installed IIS on my machine
>>> so that I can proceed. I still use Dreamweaver as my editor/syntax
>>> indicator.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to the best way to proceed, great
>>> tutorials other than this one, and a news group for aspx that is as good
>>> as this one is for php?
>>
>> Keep using the groups you know and love for PHP but also consider
>> subscribing to the usenet groups on .Net and ASP etc but also (probably
>> better) the freely available Microsoft newsgroups.
>>
>> Microsoft has a newsgroup on practically ever one of their products and
>> dozens on each major subsystem for the large products like Windows Server
>> (AD, DNS, Routing, etc are all separate newsgroups) or even for Exchange
>> and SQL server.
>>
>> You will find not only general groups on IIS but also specific groups on
>> ASP
>> and .Net programming, security, etc.
>>
>> nttp://msnews.microsoft.com
>>
>> (No password, no user name required to read OR post.)
>>
>> You can of course use Google Groups to search the archives of this as
>> well.
>>
>> On the Microsoft groups you will notice that some people have the "title"
>> MVP (Most Valued Professional) and while this doesn't guarantee correct
>> answers is DOES mean that the person has answered a LOT of questions and
>> that others have generally found those answers to be useful and
>> respectful.
>>
>> These groups are (slightly) moderated to remove offensive language or
>> spam posts (but not criticisms of MS or it's stuff if they are on topic)
>> so they
>> are not very noise like some usenet groups.
>>
>> The general tone is also very much HELPFUL when someone asks a dumb
>> or FAQ question; generally you will get a suggestion on how to find the
>> answer
>> yourself NEXT TIME and the actual answer -- all done politely and with
>> respect for "noobies" and newcomers.
>>
>> The answers tend to be excellent in most of these groups and are perhaps
>> the
>> single best "unknown" resource for managing, learning, and developing
>> on Microsoft system.s
>>
>
> I searched the news groups and didn't find what I want, but I didn't try
> the microsoft groups. I will

In general the Microsoft groups are well worth the effort and attention to
see what is there. (I keep 15-25 of them subscribed on the Microsoft
server, about 2/3 all the time and the other third rotating according to my
current interests.)

>. So far I have downloaded the free web designer express beta (and also
>the VB and C#). I started playing with it and it seems that my php
>knowledge will be helpful in understanding.

Learning C# just to supplement your PHP is a BIG chunk (not that you
cannot do it but it isn't going to happen overnight even if you already
program in a dozen languages, unless one of THOSE is C++.)

Going the other way is MUCH easier (from C++/C# to PHP -- I hope
)

VB is a smaller chunk but you really need to consider how much functionality
you will give up by just using PHP without .NET etc.

Using .Net isn't bad, but it's another, usually separate, strategy.

> It doesn't look all that hard and it has some nice controls (such as the
> grid control for database results and a calendar control.

And maybe you need those badly enough and cannot get them from straight
PHP, but maybe not.

> The big problems I have come across so far are that I cannot see how to
> connect to a MySQL database (I need SQLServer or Oracle of even Access)

This MAY be a weakness of the MICROSOFT .Net groups as the people
there will not TEND to be using MySql as much as SQL Server or Access,
but they will have ODBC experience galore if you connect through the
ODBC database drivers etc.

> and my server doesn't seem to understand the aspx controls. This last one
> I should be able to resolve by a call the GoDaddy.

I have not understanding of your actual problem or what GoDaddy would have
to do with it.

--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
http://www.LearnQuick.Com (phone on web site)

If you use LinkedIn then tell me where you know me from when linking:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/herbmartin

[OT] Re: PHP and .NET

Shelly wrote:
> "r" wrote in message

>> Move. Something seems very wrong here, PHP is supposed to be
>> undercutting these technologies. Are the people of the town acting
>> strangely in any way? Does there seem to be less emotional expression
>> that you've noticed. At nighttime, are there large groups of them
>> screaming and running?
>
> I live in the middle of a big triangle of Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville.
> It is almost ALL .net.

Wow - the one place that's even *more* republican than Texas.
God help you.

Re: PHP and .NET

"Herb Martin" wrote in message
news:46d73af0$0$19618$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> "Sheldon Glickler" wrote in message
> news:13d9l6544kpf855@corp.supernews.com...

>>. So far I have downloaded the free web designer express beta (and also
>>the VB and C#). I started playing with it and it seems that my php
>>knowledge will be helpful in understanding.
>
> Learning C# just to supplement your PHP is a BIG chunk (not that you
> cannot do it but it isn't going to happen overnight even if you already
> program in a dozen languages, unless one of THOSE is C++.)

I have programmed in Java, so c# shouldn't be a problem. The syntax isn't
all that different and the OOP is the same concept.

> Going the other way is MUCH easier (from C++/C# to PHP -- I hope
> )

True! If you don't try to OOP PHP, but treat is as procedural, then all you
really need is C experience.

> VB is a smaller chunk but you really need to consider how much
> functionality
> you will give up by just using PHP without .NET etc.
>
> Using .Net isn't bad, but it's another, usually separate, strategy.

.....but MARKETABLE!

>
>> It doesn't look all that hard and it has some nice controls (such as the
>> grid control for database results and a calendar control.
>
> And maybe you need those badly enough and cannot get them from straight
> PHP, but maybe not.

Looking further into it since I posted this, there are quite a few controls
that are there that I have had to spend time in PHP to accomplish. For
example, I often have had to do a validation section of multiple inputs and
then echo messages if there were missing items, etc. They have a control to
do it and all you need do is drag and drop and set a few things in the
properties box (like which object it validates and the error message
associated with it). There is also a range control. The grid control is
also very nice as it does all the DB access and putting to the screen --
with paging. All of these took time when I did them in php, so maybe it is
not so bad :-) ?

>
>> The big problems I have come across so far are that I cannot see how to
>> connect to a MySQL database (I need SQLServer or Oracle of even Access)
>
> This MAY be a weakness of the MICROSOFT .Net groups as the people
> there will not TEND to be using MySql as much as SQL Server or Access,
> but they will have ODBC experience galore if you connect through the
> ODBC database drivers etc.

Yeah, that should be possible. However, it would be nice if it went
directly to MySQL. Of course that would mean that they might lose on their
big moneymaker -- SQLServer.

>
>> and my server doesn't seem to understand the aspx controls. This last
>> one I should be able to resolve by a call the GoDaddy.
>
> I have not understanding of your actual problem or what GoDaddy would have
> to do with it.

They are the server that the MySQL db and the web site that I just developed
are located on. The asp controls didn't appear when I put the file there.
No big deal. This is a learning exercise for me. I am trying to duplicate
that site using .NET and ASP. So, I installed SQLServer Compact on my local
machine (THAT was an experience!) and hook up to that. I simply exported
the tables from the MySQL and put them in SQLServer. Now I can go to town
with my learning and try to redo that site on my local machine.

Shelly

Shelly

Re: [OT] Re: PHP and .NET

"Sanders Kaufman" wrote in message
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> Shelly wrote:
>> "r" wrote in message
>
>>> Move. Something seems very wrong here, PHP is supposed to be
>>> undercutting these technologies. Are the people of the town acting
>>> strangely in any way? Does there seem to be less emotional expression
>>> that you've noticed. At nighttime, are there large groups of them
>>> screaming and running?
>>
>> I live in the middle of a big triangle of Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville.
>> It is almost ALL .net.
>
> Wow - the one place that's even *more* republican than Texas.
> God help you.

Tell me about it! I lived in Massachusetts for 37 uears. I was billing the
customers for 55 hours a week. 50 weeks a year from 1990 until 2000 when the
Bush depression hit that area. I was doing application development throught
the temp agencies for 6-18 month assignments. Then, for the first time in
my life I was out of work for 17 of the next 26 months. I finally took a
job in southeast Florida teaching high school math for 1/3 what I had been
making. I also picked up PHP and web development on the side (self-taught,
as with everything else). Now I live here in a fantastic place called The
Villages (www.thevillages.com). However, there is no work here for me, so
I have to learn new skills (just as I did many times before). The one
immutable fact is that I will not move from here -- even though I am a
Libertarian.

Shelly

Re: PHP and .NET

Shelly wrote:
> "Herb Martin" wrote in message
>>
>> Using .Net isn't bad, but it's another, usually separate, strategy.
>
> ....but MARKETABLE!
>

Depends. I find a lot more for PHP and Perl (OS/Webserver independent
languages) than I do for anything MS-centric.

>
> Looking further into it since I posted this, there are quite a few controls
> that are there that I have had to spend time in PHP to accomplish. For
> example, I often have had to do a validation section of multiple inputs and
> then echo messages if there were missing items, etc. They have a control to
> do it and all you need do is drag and drop and set a few things in the
> properties box (like which object it validates and the error message
> associated with it). There is also a range control. The grid control is
> also very nice as it does all the DB access and putting to the screen --
> with paging. All of these took time when I did them in php, so maybe it is
> not so bad :-) ?
>

Of you want the bloat, fine. But I find it pretty easy to do validation
in PHP. And more efficient, also. But then I grew up programming when
efficiency meant something.

> Yeah, that should be possible. However, it would be nice if it went
> directly to MySQL. Of course that would mean that they might lose on their
> big moneymaker -- SQLServer.
>

Works fine with ODBC. But MS doesn't WANT you to connect to non-MS
databases.

>>> and my server doesn't seem to understand the aspx controls. This last
>
> They are the server that the MySQL db and the web site that I just developed
> are located on. The asp controls didn't appear when I put the file there.
> No big deal. This is a learning exercise for me. I am trying to duplicate
> that site using .NET and ASP. So, I installed SQLServer Compact on my local
> machine (THAT was an experience!) and hook up to that. I simply exported
> the tables from the MySQL and put them in SQLServer. Now I can go to town
> with my learning and try to redo that site on my local machine.
>

Get a real website. They're not that expensive.


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Re: [OT] Re: PHP and .NET

Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> Shelly wrote:
>> "r" wrote in message
>
>>> Move. Something seems very wrong here, PHP is supposed to be
>>> undercutting these technologies. Are the people of the town acting
>>> strangely in any way? Does there seem to be less emotional expression
>>> that you've noticed. At nighttime, are there large groups of them
>>> screaming and running?
>>
>> I live in the middle of a big triangle of Orlando, Tampa and
>> Gainesville. It is almost ALL .net.
>
> Wow - the one place that's even *more* republican than Texas.
> God help you.

Not a chance. Republicans know better.

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Re: [OT] Re: PHP and .NET

Shelly wrote:
> "Sanders Kaufman" wrote in message
> news:pcHBi.51367$YL5.18678@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>> Shelly wrote:
>>> "r" wrote in message
>>>> Move. Something seems very wrong here, PHP is supposed to be
>>>> undercutting these technologies. Are the people of the town acting
>>>> strangely in any way? Does there seem to be less emotional expression
>>>> that you've noticed. At nighttime, are there large groups of them
>>>> screaming and running?
>>> I live in the middle of a big triangle of Orlando, Tampa and Gainesville.
>>> It is almost ALL .net.
>> Wow - the one place that's even *more* republican than Texas.
>> God help you.
>
> Tell me about it! I lived in Massachusetts for 37 uears. I was billing the
> customers for 55 hours a week. 50 weeks a year from 1990 until 2000 when the
> Bush depression hit that area.


Sounds like a democrat. Billing 55 hours even though you only work 20 :-)

> I was doing application development throught
> the temp agencies for 6-18 month assignments. Then, for the first time in
> my life I was out of work for 17 of the next 26 months. I finally took a
> job in southeast Florida teaching high school math for 1/3 what I had been
> making. I also picked up PHP and web development on the side (self-taught,
> as with everything else). Now I live here in a fantastic place called The
> Villages (www.thevillages.com). However, there is no work here for me, so
> I have to learn new skills (just as I did many times before). The one
> immutable fact is that I will not move from here -- even though I am a
> Libertarian.
>
> Shelly
>
>

Gee, I haven't had a problem like this at all. In fact, I'm turning
away work.

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Re: [OT] Re: PHP and .NET

Shelly wrote:
> "Sanders Kaufman" wrote in message

>> Wow - the one place that's even *more* republican than Texas.
>> God help you.
>
> Tell me about it! I lived in Massachusetts for 37 uears. I was billing the
> customers for 55 hours a week. 50 weeks a year from 1990 until 2000 when the
> Bush depression hit that area. I was doing application development throught
> the temp agencies for 6-18 month assignments. Then, for the first time in
> my life I was out of work for 17 of the next 26 months. I finally took a
> job in southeast Florida teaching high school math for 1/3 what I had been
> making. I also picked up PHP and web development on the side (self-taught,
> as with everything else). Now I live here in a fantastic place called The
> Villages (www.thevillages.com). However, there is no work here for me, so
> I have to learn new skills (just as I did many times before). The one
> immutable fact is that I will not move from here -- even though I am a
> Libertarian.

[Cross-Posted to alt.politics.republicans]

Up until that last word, you could have been my doppleganger.

I was makin' bacon until 1999. I got my MCSD in 2000, and was ready to
make a leap in my career - then the Bush bomb hit. A bunch of clients
refused to pay, and no new Microsoft ones were coming along - except for
some churches and porn sites. (And who wants to work on *those*?!)

Then 9/11 hit, and the "civilian contractors" took the last of the vc
money. Now, the best IT jobs around here are with PATRIOT ACT
contractors and NGO's (non-governmental organizations).

There's also a lot of Microsoft IT work with the churches (although
that's drying up) and with the faith-based prisons that have sprouted up
around here - but I'd rather teach children how to color in the lines.

My girlfriend is IT director for a company that provides telecom
services to prisons while I'm *hoping* to make my bills by substituting
at Dallas Schools, and am at a the point where development is just a
semi-profitable hobby.

When she talks about what's going on at work, I feel like a 1950's
housewife who can only say "Wow, I wanna do stuff like that" - even
though her husband is a bio-warfare researcher.

Still - I think, that choosing this economic depression to pick up
Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP was a good thing.

There's a huge sucking sound coming from the market in Political Action
Committees and from individuals who want to sell their tchotchkies on
the web. Ideas like EggsByMail.com won't fly anymore, but
GrammaBrownsAfghans.com will. Similarly, political bloggers are
learning how to monetize their sermons through advertising.

Setting up a Microsoft solution (with ActiveDirectory, .NET and all the
hardware) would be a seriously expensive overkill for ole' Gramma Brown
or the local Union Hall, but a little PHP thing that lets them upload
photos and articles, and download PayPal cash would be just about right.

Small business. PHP.

Re: [OT] Re: PHP and .NET

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Re: [OT] Re: PHP and .NET

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Shelly wrote:

>> Tell me about it! I lived in Massachusetts for 37 uears. I was
>> billing the customers for 55 hours a week. 50 weeks a year from 1990
>> until 2000 when the Bush depression hit that area.
>
> Sounds like a democrat. Billing 55 hours even though you only work 20 :-)

That's a very pre-9/11 perspective on a post-9/11 world. You must be a
Republican/Libertarian.

TODAY, Republican "civilian contractors" and "non-governmental
organizations" are the ones scamming taxpayer dollars. And they're
doing a *far* better job of it than any Democrat, Libertarian or
Socialist ever *dreamed*.

> Gee, I haven't had a problem like this at all. In fact, I'm turning
> away work.

It's a morality thing. If you're a pornographer, religious zealot,
white separatist, gun-runner or drug-dealer - the Bush Economy *rocks*.

Re: [OT] Re: PHP and .NET

Gary L. Burnore wrote:

> Even though? Heck, its the perfect reason to stay there. Drive the
> neocon dupes nutzz just by telling then the truth.

It's not the NeoCons who will be driven crazy in that pursuit.
They LONG for someone to evangelize to, outside of The Family.

Re: [OT] Re: PHP and .NET

Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Shelly wrote:
>
>>> Tell me about it! I lived in Massachusetts for 37 uears. I was
>>> billing the customers for 55 hours a week. 50 weeks a year from 1990
>>> until 2000 when the Bush depression hit that area.
>>
>> Sounds like a democrat. Billing 55 hours even though you only work 20
>> :-)
>
> That's a very pre-9/11 perspective on a post-9/11 world. You must be a
> Republican/Libertarian.
>

ROFLMAO!

> TODAY, Republican "civilian contractors" and "non-governmental
> organizations" are the ones scamming taxpayer dollars. And they're
> doing a *far* better job of it than any Democrat, Libertarian or
> Socialist ever *dreamed*.
>

And the socialistic democrats are giving my hard earned money away to
anyone who wants it.

The best thing that happened since the fall of the Soviet Empire was
Bush's tax cuts. They put money in my pocket - and the pockets of those
around me. And that helped the economy grow.

Unlike the Democrats who want to raise my taxes, take my money and give
it to some bum who only wants to sit around and drink beer all day. And
maybe find out how many women he can get knocked up.

And of course those women who have all the kids they can so they can
collect more money from the government.

>> Gee, I haven't had a problem like this at all. In fact, I'm turning
>> away work.
>
> It's a morality thing. If you're a pornographer, religious zealot,
> white separatist, gun-runner or drug-dealer - the Bush Economy *rocks*.
>

Not at all. Unlike some here, I'm a competent programmer. The economy
*rocks*. But it doesn't for those who can't make it without government
help.


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Re: [OT] Re: PHP and .NET

Jerry Stuckle wrote:

>
> Not at all. Unlike some here, I'm a competent programmer. The economy
> *rocks*. But it doesn't for those who can't make it without government
> help.
>
>

.....amazing how many good programmers are political morons.

Re: [OT] Re: PHP and .NET

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Sanders Kaufman wrote:

>> That's a very pre-9/11 perspective on a post-9/11 world. You must be
>> a Republican/Libertarian.
>
>> TODAY, Republican "civilian contractors" and "non-governmental
>> organizations" are the ones scamming taxpayer dollars. And they're
>> doing a *far* better job of it than any Democrat, Libertarian or
>> Socialist ever *dreamed*.
>
> And the socialistic democrats are giving my hard earned money away to
> anyone who wants it.

That's a very 19th century perspective of the 21st century world.


> The best thing that happened since the fall of the Soviet Empire was
> Bush's tax cuts. They put money in my pocket - and the pockets of those
> around me. And that helped the economy grow.

That's a very short-sighted perspective of a very long-term situation.
It was a loan, not a paycheck. The debt must still be paid.

Re: [OT] Re: PHP and .NET

foogow wrote:

> ....amazing how many good programmers are political morons.

It's not a matter of intellect, but rather one of character.

He's probably right - as with the drug dealers, pornographers, arms
traffickers and televangelists - the Bush economy has probably been
very, very goooood to him.

Re: [OT] Re: PHP and .NET

foogow wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>>
>> Not at all. Unlike some here, I'm a competent programmer. The
>> economy *rocks*. But it doesn't for those who can't make it without
>> government help.
>>
>>
>
> ....amazing how many good programmers are political morons.

I never heard anyone say you were a good programmer.

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Re: [OT] Re: PHP and .NET

Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> foogow wrote:
>
>> ....amazing how many good programmers are political morons.
>
> It's not a matter of intellect, but rather one of character.
>
> He's probably right - as with the drug dealers, pornographers, arms
> traffickers and televangelists - the Bush economy has probably been
> very, very goooood to him.

If what you say were true, you should be a billionaire.

But you're just a clueless troll. And a stupid one, also.

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Re: [OT] Re: PHP and .NET

Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Sanders Kaufman wrote:
>
>>> That's a very pre-9/11 perspective on a post-9/11 world. You must be
>>> a Republican/Libertarian.
>>
>>> TODAY, Republican "civilian contractors" and "non-governmental
>>> organizations" are the ones scamming taxpayer dollars. And they're
>>> doing a *far* better job of it than any Democrat, Libertarian or
>>> Socialist ever *dreamed*.
>>
>> And the socialistic democrats are giving my hard earned money away to
>> anyone who wants it.
>
> That's a very 19th century perspective of the 21st century world.
>

No, it's a DEMOCRATIC view. But the "democrats" want to take my money
and give it to others. That's not democracy. That's the definition of
SOCIALISM. And we already know how well Socialism works. Just look at
the Soviet Union.

But then you're probably one of those guys too lazy to get a job and
wants to just sit around all day, drink beer and let the government give
you money. Personally, I have higher standards for myself.

>
>> The best thing that happened since the fall of the Soviet Empire was
>> Bush's tax cuts. They put money in my pocket - and the pockets of
>> those around me. And that helped the economy grow.
>
> That's a very short-sighted perspective of a very long-term situation.
> It was a loan, not a paycheck. The debt must still be paid.
>

And as the economy has bounced back, the tax revenue is UP. And as a
whole, people are better off because they have more money to spend. But
you ignore both of those, don't you?

History has proved time and time again that tax increases only work for
a short time. They boost the income immediately, but hurt the economy
because people have less money to spend. And eventually tax revenue
falls to less than it would have been with no tax increase.

Tax cuts, to a certain point at least, have a short term hit, but create
a stronger economy, eventually raising tax income.

You really try some economics courses.

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Re: PHP and .NET

On Aug 30, 7:54 pm, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> annoying irrelevant off topic right wing extremist propaganda having nothing to
> do with php programming
>

I wouldn't expect anyone in a PHP group to necessarily know anything
about libertarian ideology. Why don't you try one of their
newsgroups?

Re: PHP and .NET

"salmobytes" wrote in message
news:1188563824.894797.148610@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 30, 7:54 pm, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> annoying irrelevant off topic right wing extremist propaganda having
>> nothing to
>> do with php programming
>>
>
> I wouldn't expect anyone in a PHP group to necessarily know anything
> about libertarian ideology. Why don't you try one of their
> newsgroups?
>

Libertarian is something between the two. It combines the human rights
aspect of Democrats amd the fiscal policy of Republicans. In a nutshell, it
calls for an absolute minimum of government and then only when really
necessary (armed forces, roads, courts, etc.). It calls for individual
liberties -- something that Bush and company with the un-patriot act seems
to want to do away with.

Shelly

Re: PHP and .NET

Shelly wrote:
> "salmobytes" wrote in message
> news:1188563824.894797.148610@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 30, 7:54 pm, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> annoying irrelevant off topic right wing extremist propaganda having
>>> nothing to
>>> do with php programming
>>>
>> I wouldn't expect anyone in a PHP group to necessarily know anything
>> about libertarian ideology. Why don't you try one of their
>> newsgroups?
>>
>
> Libertarian is something between the two. It combines the human rights
> aspect of Democrats amd the fiscal policy of Republicans. In a nutshell, it
> calls for an absolute minimum of government and then only when really
> necessary (armed forces, roads, courts, etc.). It calls for individual
> liberties -- something that Bush and company with the un-patriot act seems
> to want to do away with.
>
> Shelly
>
>
That's what its SUPPOSED to be about: In practice its a convenient
ideology for 'let big business do what it likes, and the devil take the
hindmost'

One man's freedom is usually another man's death sentence. You only need
look into Iraq.

Re: PHP and .NET

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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> Shelly wrote:
>> "salmobytes" wrote in message
>> news:1188563824.894797.148610@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Aug 30, 7:54 pm, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> annoying irrelevant off topic right wing extremist propaganda having
>>>> nothing to
>>>> do with php programming
>>>>
>>> I wouldn't expect anyone in a PHP group to necessarily know anything
>>> about libertarian ideology. Why don't you try one of their
>>> newsgroups?
>>>
>>
>> Libertarian is something between the two. It combines the human rights
>> aspect of Democrats amd the fiscal policy of Republicans. In a nutshell,
>> it calls for an absolute minimum of government and then only when really
>> necessary (armed forces, roads, courts, etc.). It calls for individual
>> liberties -- something that Bush and company with the un-patriot act
>> seems to want to do away with.
>>
>> Shelly
> That's what its SUPPOSED to be about: In practice its a convenient
> ideology for 'let big business do what it likes, and the devil take the
> hindmost'
>
> One man's freedom is usually another man's death sentence. You only need
> look into Iraq.

No, it is more than that. It is warrantless searches (a violation against
the illegal search and siezer in the Bill of Rights). It is about denial of
habeus (sp?) corpus. They can grab you, lock you up for six months because
they suspect you of being a "terrorist", deny you legal counsel and not even
let anyone (family included) know where you are (or even THAT you are)
detained. Bush is trampling on the very constitution that he swore an oath
to uphold. It's not about big business. It is about "we don't need no
civil rights for anyone but us".

Shelly
Bush-hater (and his damn father, too).

PS - I was a Republican all my life until it was captured by the Immoral
Minority.
P.P.S. Where is John Galt?

Re: PHP and .NET

I believe you are in the wrong group to be discussing these issues. I
keep clicking on this to make sure the original problem was resolved
and Shelly doesn't have any additional questions...

Re: PHP and .NET

Yes, it has been solved. This tread took on a life of its own.

"ELINTPimp" wrote in message
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>I believe you are in the wrong group to be discussing these issues. I
> keep clicking on this to make sure the original problem was resolved
> and Shelly doesn't have any additional questions...
>

Re: PHP and .NET

So.... who's in favor of an abortion API for PHP?
How about a flag-burning framework?
Does religion have any place in project management?
Since PHP is open source, does that make us all socialists?

:):):) :):):)







Shelly wrote:
> Yes, it has been solved. This tread took on a life of its own.
>
> "ELINTPimp" wrote in message
> news:1188584346.879494.97750@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> I believe you are in the wrong group to be discussing these issues. I
>> keep clicking on this to make sure the original problem was resolved
>> and Shelly doesn't have any additional questions...
>>
>
>