web programming in perl

Hi

I have been out of the perl web programming sphere for a long time, so I
have a couple of quick question just to point me in the right direction.

- is perl used as much for web programming compared to f.ex php, ruby, java?
- what are the primary forums for dicussing perl web programming these days?
- what are the most used web frameworks for perl? I have found out about
Catalyst, and it seems to be used on some known sites

links to articles discussing modern perl programming techniques and
frameworks would also be appreciated.

regards

tom

Re: web programming in perl

Tom Forsmo wrote:
>
> - what are the primary forums for dicussing perl web programming these
> days?

I don't know. I do know that it's not this group... And the dedicated
group "comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi" has been out of order for
almost a year now.

> - what are the most used web frameworks for perl? I have found out about
> Catalyst, and it seems to be used on some known sites

The "CGI/Web Programming and Administration" links at
http://www.perl.org/app.html should be of interest to you.

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Re: web programming in perl

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Tom Forsmo (spam@nospam.net) wrote on VCXV September MCMXCIII in
:
\\ Hi
\\
\\ I have been out of the perl web programming sphere for a long time, so I
\\ have a couple of quick question just to point me in the right direction.
\\
\\ - is perl used as much for web programming compared to f.ex php, ruby, java?

No. It will used more than some other languages, and less than some others.

\\ - what are the primary forums for dicussing perl web programming these days?
\\ - what are the most used web frameworks for perl? I have found out about
\\ Catalyst, and it seems to be used on some known sites

I doubt anyone knows. The majority of the website has been made by people
and companies with no interest at all in "the community", and are unlikely
to report to some central authority what frame work they use.

Oh, and if I can make a guess, my guess is that the majority of the web
sites doesn't use a "frame work".



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Re: web programming in perl

Gunnar Hjalmarsson writes:

> Tom Forsmo wrote:
>>
>> - what are the primary forums for dicussing perl web programming
>> these days?
>
> I don't know. I do know that it's not this group...

If a question is *really* about Perl, and not about HTML, CSS, SQL, or some
other technology, then it's perfectly on-topic here. A basic rule-of-thumb
that I use is to ask myself if the question would be substantially different
if a different server-side language were involved, or if the relevant content
were being served directly from static files.

If the answer to that is "no," then odds are good that the question is in
fact about HTML, CSS, or whatever. In that case, more and better answers to
it could be found in a more appropriate forum.

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Re: web programming in perl

Sherm Pendley wrote:
> Gunnar Hjalmarsson writes:
>> Tom Forsmo wrote:
>>> - what are the primary forums for dicussing perl web programming
>>> these days?
>> I don't know. I do know that it's not this group...
>
> If a question is *really* about Perl, and not about HTML, CSS, SQL, or some
> other technology, then it's perfectly on-topic here.

Yeah, it wasn't my intent to claim otherwise. But it's my feeling that
many web programming issues are of a multi-discipline nature, and hence
considered off-topic here by some regulars.

Btw, this reminds me of this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.perl.misc/browse_fr m/thread/463c4e90b6dbc2ea

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Re: web programming in perl

Sherm Pendley wrote:
> If a question is *really* about Perl, and not about HTML, CSS, SQL, or some
> other technology, then it's perfectly on-topic here. A basic rule-of-thumb
> that I use is to ask myself if the question would be substantially different
> if a different server-side language were involved, or if the relevant content
> were being served directly from static files.
>
> If the answer to that is "no," then odds are good that the question is in
> fact about HTML, CSS, or whatever. In that case, more and better answers to
> it could be found in a more appropriate forum.

Well, since I said "perl web programming", chances are I mean "how and
what web technologies integrate with perl"... not "how to use a non perl
technology" in web programming.

tom

Re: web programming in perl

Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
> But it's my feeling that
> many web programming issues are of a multi-discipline nature, and hence
> considered off-topic here by some regulars.

The reason I asked was that the traffic on this group is not very high,
when you remove the perlfaq automated posts, so I assumed there were
other more high traffic forums.

Re: web programming in perl

Tom Forsmo wrote:
> The reason I asked was that the traffic on this group is not very
> high, when you remove the perlfaq automated posts, so I assumed there
> were other more high traffic forums.

Excuse me? Just for August I got over 1800 postings even _after_ filtering
some very verbose trolls. If an average of 60 postings a day isn't enough
traffic for you then I don't know what.

jue

Re: web programming in perl

wrote:
> Tom Forsmo wrote:
>> The reason I asked was that the traffic on this group is not very
>> high, when you remove the perlfaq automated posts, so I assumed there
>> were other more high traffic forums.
>
> Excuse me? Just for August I got over 1800 postings even _after_ filtering
> some very verbose trolls. If an average of 60 postings a day isn't enough
> traffic for you then I don't know what.

Maybe its my ISP's news server then, my view shows me about 5-10 posts
per day in this group, thats including automated posts.

tom

Re: web programming in perl

> I have been out of the perl web programming sphere for a long time, so I
> have a couple of quick question just to point me in the right direction.
>
> - is perl used as much for web programming compared to f.ex php, ruby,
> java?

It depends on many reasons - in companies where perl is used for years -
yes - it is still in use. But it is more about perl at all compared to
other langs, companies politics etc.

> - what are the primary forums for dicussing perl web programming these
> days?
> - what are the most used web frameworks for perl? I have found out about
> Catalyst, and it seems to be used on some known sites

Catalyst is probably the most popular and extensible MVC framework in
perl. There are many "real business" projects made or in development
using Catalyst. However it can take some time to be in production level
in Cata. Check catalyst mail-list, irc; the documentation can a little
suck but framework and community around it is really great.

There are also other modern frameworks like Jifty (people say: faster
start-up compared to Catalyst) or kind of glue like CGI::App.

> links to articles discussing modern perl programming techniques and
> frameworks would also be appreciated.

google for "MVC my_favourite_language"

mold