font size= vs h1, h2, etc

font size= vs h1, h2, etc

am 07.09.2007 00:44:34 von Phillip Mann

Does it make any difference to the search engines if I use "font
size=" or "h's" in my html?

Phil

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Re: font size= vs h1, h2, etc

am 07.09.2007 01:05:10 von a.nony.mous

Phillip Mann wrote:

> Does it make any difference to the search engines if I use "font
> size=" or "h's" in my html?

Heading elements are given more weight by the search engines than common
text, regardless of size.

Size them with CSS.
http://k75s.home.att.net/fontsize.html

BTW, you will want to get rid of all the animated stuff and moving
marquees on your site. In the opinion of many, that is almost as
annoying as unsolicited music or sound.

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Re: font size= vs h1, h2, etc

am 07.09.2007 04:19:10 von Sherm Pendley

Phillip Mann writes:

> Does it make any difference to the search engines if I use "font
> size=" or "h's" in my html?

Google keeps their algorithms secret, but it's pretty well-known that key-
words found in headings rank higher than those found in ordinary text.

That said, why on earth would you *want* to use presentational markup? This
is 2007, not 1997. The use of symantically meaningful markup should be a
no-brainer at this point.

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Re: font size= vs h1, h2, etc

am 07.09.2007 08:51:03 von Neredbojias

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:44:34
GMT Phillip Mann scribed:

> Does it make any difference to the search engines if I use "font
> size=" or "h's" in my html?

It depends on whether you're trying to spell it or use it.

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Re: font size= vs h1, h2, etc

am 07.09.2007 09:19:35 von Blinky the Shark

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:44:34
> GMT Phillip Mann scribed:
>
>> Does it make any difference to the search engines if I use "font
>> size=" or "h's" in my html?
>
> It depends on whether you're trying to spell it or use it.

HTML *needs* H's. Without them, you're only coding TML.


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Re: font size= vs h1, h2, etc

am 07.09.2007 12:51:14 von jkorpela

Scripsit Sherm Pendley:

> Google keeps their algorithms secret, but it's pretty well-known that
> key- words found in headings rank higher than those found in ordinary
> text.

Well, it's at least a reasonable assumption. But beware that this is
probably just relative to the rest of the document's content. That is, your
h1 and h2 content might matter much more than your copy text, but not more
than someone else's text.

> That said, why on earth would you *want* to use presentational
> markup? This is 2007, not 1997. The use of symantically meaningful
> markup should be a no-brainer at this point.

Even in 1997, heading markup was a good idea.

The real question is why this would matter to anyone. Surely if someone is
wondering whether to use or

, he needs a crash course on web
design and should not write any HTML (more) before he has got a clue. If he
needed to ask, there are lots of fundamental questions he should ask but
probably doesn't unless we point out that he is now completely lost.

Yet, if you are working with existing pages, perhaps spat out by poor
"wysiwyg" tools, containg markup where headings should appear, then
this is one of the cases where it _might_ be useful to modify existing
markup (which is usually waste of time). If you have such pages and you have
no time to rewrite them (which is what they really need), then, yes,
replacing markup by heading markup and some simple CSS would make
sense. It might still be futile, if the pages as a whole are very poorly
written, in terms of markup.

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Re: font size= vs h1, h2, etc

am 07.09.2007 13:49:04 von Phillip Mann

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:05:10 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
wrote:

>Phillip Mann wrote:
>
>> Does it make any difference to the search engines if I use "font
>> size=" or "h's" in my html?
>
>Heading elements are given more weight by the search engines than common
>text, regardless of size.
>
>Size them with CSS.
>http://k75s.home.att.net/fontsize.html
>
>BTW, you will want to get rid of all the animated stuff and moving
>marquees on your site. In the opinion of many, that is almost as
>annoying as unsolicited music or sound.

Thanks, Beauregard!

Phil

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Re: font size= vs h1, h2, etc

am 08.09.2007 02:02:23 von nigel_moss

While the city slept, Jukka K. Korpela (jkorpela@cs.tut.fi) feverishly
typed...

> The real question is why this would matter to anyone. Surely if
> someone is wondering whether to use or

, he needs a crash
> course on web design and should not write any HTML (more) before he
> has got a clue. If he needed to ask, there are lots of fundamental
> questions he should ask but probably doesn't unless we point out that
> he is now completely lost.

The sad situation is that many places -- educational establishments
(colleges, universities etc) included -- teach the bad HTML that was
prevalant in the late 90's. I worked at a local university a few years ago,
in the admin department for a network of training outlets that they ran. I
saw the course notes for the web design part of one of the courses they ran.
It actually suggested using a higher font size for text that was a heading,
instead of suggesting using the appropriate heading element. This was (I
think) 2003...

A few weeks ago I was interviewing people for a web dev role in the company
I worked for then (I've moved since then). One of the guys I interviewed
showed me some stuff he had done for his course which was good old fashioned
presentational HTML. I asked him if he had been taught this at uinversity
and he said "yes". The rest of his interview was spent re-teaching him...
:-s

Cheers,
Nige


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Re: font size= vs h1, h2, etc

am 08.09.2007 02:50:06 von a.nony.mous

nice.guy.nige wrote:

> ..I saw the course notes for the web design part of one of the courses
> they ran. It actually suggested using a higher font size for text
> that was a heading, instead of suggesting using the appropriate
> heading element. This was (I think) 2003...

Same here, at my local community college. The professor had no idea what
CSS was, and a course prerequisite was you had to own FrontPage.

I tried to explain, tastefully, but he wouldn't listen.

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Re: font size= vs h1, h2, etc

am 08.09.2007 19:16:52 von Neredbojias

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:19:35 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>> Does it make any difference to the search engines if I use "font
>>> size=" or "h's" in my html?
>>
>> It depends on whether you're trying to spell it or use it.
>
> HTML *needs* H's. Without them, you're only coding TML.

Well, maybe the guy's extremely nervous and wants to avoid the "hyper"...

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