Preserving History - Flickr Post #0001

Site link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/reidman/1405121363

Comment deleted by image poster:
:
: ...gah...what a horrible color scheme that is! Look here kiddo:
: www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Muses/Color_Theory...
:
: See if you can't learn yerself somethin. Further, if you can't tilt
: your images without making them look all jagged on their
: edges...don't. Also you got WAY too many fonts types goin on there.
: Seriously, pick two and then stop, anymore than that and you start
: looking like you were either confused about what direction you wanted
: to go with your style or you just got click happy in Photoshop after
: downloading a some font pack. Yes, look at all the pretty fonts, very
: nice, but you don't need to use them all at once. Less is more.
: Overall the design is very cookie cutter looking, it looks like the
: sort of $5.99 template job you'd buy off "Bob's Discount Web Designs"
: or whatever. There's no soul to it, no sense of style or
: individuality. One of the first things you should ask yourself is,
: "What does the design say about the company? What does it convey to
: visitors?" In this case...it says HALFASS with an extra helping of
: "couldn't give a shit".
:

It should probably also be noted that any such comments made on site
designs posted to Flickr that are censored by the original poster will
not only be reposted publicly to Usenet, but will also be forwarded to
the owner of the site in cases where the designer was contracted for
the work. ^_^

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: Preserving History - Flickr Post #0001

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:52:03 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:

>Site link:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/reidman/1405121363
>
>Comment deleted by image poster:
>:
>: ...gah...what a horrible color scheme that is! Look here kiddo:
>: www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Muses/Color_Theory...
>:
>: See if you can't learn yerself somethin. Further, if you can't tilt
>: your images without making them look all jagged on their
>: edges...don't. Also you got WAY too many fonts types goin on there.
>: Seriously, pick two and then stop, anymore than that and you start
>: looking like you were either confused about what direction you wanted
>: to go with your style or you just got click happy in Photoshop after
>: downloading a some font pack. Yes, look at all the pretty fonts, very
>: nice, but you don't need to use them all at once. Less is more.
>: Overall the design is very cookie cutter looking, it looks like the
>: sort of $5.99 template job you'd buy off "Bob's Discount Web Designs"
>: or whatever. There's no soul to it, no sense of style or
>: individuality. One of the first things you should ask yourself is,
>: "What does the design say about the company? What does it convey to
>: visitors?" In this case...it says HALFASS with an extra helping of
>: "couldn't give a shit".
>:
>
>It should probably also be noted that any such comments made on site
>designs posted to Flickr that are censored by the original poster will
>not only be reposted publicly to Usenet, but will also be forwarded to
>the owner of the site in cases where the designer was contracted for
>the work. ^_^

Here's a fixed link for the color theory image for those who haven't
seen it:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Muses/Color_Th eory.png

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: Preserving History - Flickr Post #0001

Sorry man, I've been running a forum for 9 years now -- I have a black
belt in troll-fu.

Re: Preserving History - Flickr Post #0001

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:14:55 -0700, reidman24
wrote:

>Sorry man, I've been running a forum for 9 years now -- I have a black
>belt in troll-fu.

Sorry kiddo, but I just emailed the following to your client:

: I just wanted to let you know how horrible I think your site design
: looks. First of all the palette used doesn't fall within the scope of
: professional color theory:
: http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Muses/Color_Th eory.png
:
: Here's a lovely quote for you:
:
: "When choosing colors for your design, remember a few rules for mixing
: colors. The human eye cannot focus on red and blue at the same time.
: Trying to read red type on a blue background or vice versa causes
: extreme eye fatigue. Your audience will not be receptive to your
: message if it hurts them to read it. Never, ever use blue type on a
: red background and even worse, is red type on a blue background."
:
: Another problem with your site is the over use of fonts. Generally
: speaking you want to stick with just two font styles, any more than
: that will create a jumbled, messy looking design that will make it
: hard for your viewers to focus on any one thing.
:
: Yet another problem with the site is that when the user scrolls down
: the page the navigation bar is lost. This is a VERY amateur level
: design structure. Professional level design teaches that you should
: NEVER lose the users ability to navigate through your site, because
: once you do the only navigation they have left is that great big back
: arrow at the top of their browser that's likely going to take them
: right off yer site...and they won't be back.
:
: The graphics on your site are also poorly done. Not only have they
: been improperly split apart and compressed, the tilting effect was
: done very poorly and has produced some very jagged, nasty looking
: edges that really stand out and practically scream "our site was
: designed by a 15 year old!"
:
: Overall the design the very plain, cliche, cookie cutter looking and
: doesn't really convey anything about your business. It's boring and
: annoying to browse at best. I'm not sure if you just got suckered
: into buying some $15 web template (or even worse got resold a $15 web
: template for 10 times the original price), but in either case your
: website at this point is only serving to hurt your business and you
: would be far better off without it. If you're not even going to take
: the bother to at least attempt to take the endeavor seriously and have
: an ACTUAL professional level site made...don't waste people's
: bandwidth.
:
: --
: Matthew Moulton
: http://www.backwater-productions.net

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:25:44 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:14:55 -0700, reidman24
>wrote:
>
>>Sorry man, I've been running a forum for 9 years now -- I have a black
>>belt in troll-fu.
>
>Sorry kiddo, but I just emailed the following to your client:
>
>: I just wanted to let you know how horrible I think your site design
>: looks. First of all the palette used doesn't fall within the scope of
>: professional color theory:
>: http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Muses/Color_Th eory.png
>:
>: Here's a lovely quote for you:
>:
>: "When choosing colors for your design, remember a few rules for mixing
>: colors. The human eye cannot focus on red and blue at the same time.
>: Trying to read red type on a blue background or vice versa causes
>: extreme eye fatigue. Your audience will not be receptive to your
>: message if it hurts them to read it. Never, ever use blue type on a
>: red background and even worse, is red type on a blue background."
>:
>: Another problem with your site is the over use of fonts. Generally
>: speaking you want to stick with just two font styles, any more than
>: that will create a jumbled, messy looking design that will make it
>: hard for your viewers to focus on any one thing.
>:
>: Yet another problem with the site is that when the user scrolls down
>: the page the navigation bar is lost. This is a VERY amateur level
>: design structure. Professional level design teaches that you should
>: NEVER lose the users ability to navigate through your site, because
>: once you do the only navigation they have left is that great big back
>: arrow at the top of their browser that's likely going to take them
>: right off yer site...and they won't be back.
>:
>: The graphics on your site are also poorly done. Not only have they
>: been improperly split apart and compressed, the tilting effect was
>: done very poorly and has produced some very jagged, nasty looking
>: edges that really stand out and practically scream "our site was
>: designed by a 15 year old!"
>:
>: Overall the design the very plain, cliche, cookie cutter looking and
>: doesn't really convey anything about your business. It's boring and
>: annoying to browse at best. I'm not sure if you just got suckered
>: into buying some $15 web template (or even worse got resold a $15 web
>: template for 10 times the original price), but in either case your
>: website at this point is only serving to hurt your business and you
>: would be far better off without it. If you're not even going to take
>: the bother to at least attempt to take the endeavor seriously and have
>: an ACTUAL professional level site made...don't waste people's
>: bandwidth.
>:
>: --
>: Matthew Moulton
>: http://www.backwater-productions.net

*froup line amended*

Look at what this kook Reid Young just emailed me after I posted the
last message:

: You've been sent a Flickr Mail from nateklaiber:
:
: ------------------------------------------------------------
:
: :: Threats
:
:
: Mr. Moulton,
: Please note both Flickr.com and the proper authorities have
: been notified as I have flagged you as:
:
: a) A potential pedophile
: b) A potential sexual predator
: c) Making unwarranted threats
:
: All information has been submitted to them, and any future
: communication will be directed to them as well.

ROTFLMAO...now THAT'S funny! `, D

I mean, do you think the nut job even has the capacity to appreciate
the sheer fucking irony of his own threats? *snicker* I wouldn't be
surprised if the n00b.job starts emailing Google and screaming at them
to remove my posts. LOL

Who knew Flickr-tards could be so much fun! ^_^

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:10:08 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:

>*froup line amended*
>
>Look at what this kook Reid Young just emailed me after I posted the
>last message:
>
>: You've been sent a Flickr Mail from nateklaiber:
>:
>: ------------------------------------------------------------
>:
>: :: Threats
>:
>:
>: Mr. Moulton,
>: Please note both Flickr.com and the proper authorities have
>: been notified as I have flagged you as:
>:
>: a) A potential pedophile
>: b) A potential sexual predator
>: c) Making unwarranted threats
>:
>: All information has been submitted to them, and any future
>: communication will be directed to them as well.
>
>ROTFLMAO...now THAT'S funny! `, D
>
>I mean, do you think the nut job even has the capacity to appreciate
>the sheer fucking irony of his own threats? *snicker* I wouldn't be
>surprised if the n00b.job starts emailing Google and screaming at them
>to remove my posts. LOL
>
>Who knew Flickr-tards could be so much fun! ^_^

And here's the response I just sent him back:

: LOL
:
: Boy I think ya broke the irony meter on that one, Kiddo. And unless
: you're now claiming to be underage (boy won't that be fun to tell your
: clients) I don't see where you're coming up with these random pedo
: accusations...well, I mean other than the whole angry, desperation
: thing you got goin.
:
: It's pretty typical with your type...you go around mouthing off, then
: ya get put in yer place by someone better, but oh no, yer from the lil
: Johnny Flunk school of education...passed along from one grade to the
: next, always getting an 'A' for having a positive 'Attitude', always
: having someone there to spoon feed you and wipe your ass for you,
: never once even tasting the bitterness of failure or
: inadequacy...well, until you reach the real world anyway, then ya meet
: someone like me who pretty much bitch slaps you eight ways to last
: Tuesday with yer own stupidity. And so really, what recourse do you
: have? I mean it's not like I'm wrong, it's not like you can actually
: counter any of the arguments or points I brought up in the email to
: your client...so what does lil Johnny Flunk do in a situation like
: that? Yeah, that's right...you lie...you slander...you fuck Jesus up
: the ass with the business end of a steel rake and you resort to the
: most pathetic, Hitler inspired, cliche of "attacks", couching your
: failed reasoning in the guise of, "Oh I read the accusation somewhere
: else by a doorknob just like me so it MUST be true!"
:
: Let me tell ya something child, I've seen yer lil song and dance many
: times over. I've been on the net even before you knew what the
: Internet was. I've been randomly accused of pretty much everything
: under the sun, from being a supposed pedophile, to the polar opposite
: contradiction of a pedophile (an adult baby), to even the full
: embodiment of the antichrist himself. Your flailing, blind
: accusations however hold no weight and unfortunately for you, you
: can't back lies up with bullshit.
:
: So you fail...and that makes you angrier...doesn't it? So you do it
: again...and again...and again...and eventually an interesting thing
: happens. You become what's known by many as a "Hatter Addict".
: Forever trying to "get back" at me for blistering your ass over my
: knee with reality, rather than simply own up to your failings. Little
: Johnny Flunk can NEVER admit to failure, can you? So you get caught
: in a vicious cycle, since, sad to say for you, nothing bothers
: me...ever. Hell, I once had a kook like you who went so far over the
: edge he actually hacked and defaced the Nambla home page with pictures
: and derogatory remarks about me. Now honestly child, if THAT didn't
: bother me, do you REALLY think your lil overcompensation is even going
: to give me anything more a bit of a chuckle?
:
: *snicker*
:
: You're WAY out of yer league on this one you cl00less Webbie and we
: Netters...well we don't ever go easy on yer type. Anything you
: censor, delete or try and hide will be reposted publicly on Usenet.
: And no, Sparkles, you can't get things taken off Usenet. Once
: posted...posts are permanent, they can't EVER be undone, they're
: FOREVER. And no amount of your bitching and whining to Flickr or any
: other entity that has nothing to do with Usenet at all is going to
: bother listening to you so long as I follow the rules on THEIR site.
:
: The key phrase being "their site". Anything that happens outside of
: their domain isn't their problem, no matter how much you would like to
: try and make it so. I can understand the need though, lil Johnny
: Flunk is looking for a new parent figure to bail him out and make him
: feel all warm, protected and special...hate to break it to ya, but I
: REALLY don't think the guys who own Flickr wanna take on THAT
: particular role in regards to your shitty britches. It's high time
: you put on some big girl panties and learn to wipe yer own ass, Kiddo.
: *nods*

I can't wait to see what my new toy does next! LOL

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:44:15 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:

>I can't wait to see what my new toy does next! LOL

Wait, back up, not the same kook as originally posted, the kook who
sent that "threat" email was the kook posting in this Flickr thread:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8810531@N04

That kooks name is Nate Klaiber. He's one of the original Jeff Croft
slurpers who was tryin to talk shit about me for saying Flash was the
future of web design. Needless to say...he's regrettin that decision.
LOL

I think I'll take this picture of his wife:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/theklaibers/230340940/in/set-72 157594262161752/

....and do a lil dick sucking animation. *snicker* He, he, he...I'll
make ya famous...all ya gotta do is mouth off and post some pictures
of yerself. `, )

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:59:03
GMT Onideus Mad Hatter scribed:

> That kooks name is Nate Klaiber. He's one of the original Jeff Croft
> slurpers who was tryin to talk shit about me for saying Flash was the
> future of web design. Needless to say...he's regrettin that decision.
> LOL

Hate to say it, O, but in the new Flash is the seed of its own demise.

As for the future, check this out:

http://www.neredbojias.com/_ugs/mugu.php

Now _anybody_ can have an online web page, and the design is the one
limiting factor. Increasing access to that design is _The Future_ of The
Web, which, of course, is via html and not Flash or its offshoots. Flash
definitely has its place, but Abode is typically and predictably
undermining that right on schedule.

--
Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Flash
> definitely has its place

Yes, where it is appropriate, it should be used and where it is
not appropriate it should not be used...

Perhaps Travis would care to gather with us for this motherhood
chorus to the Flash Anthem.

--
dorayme

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> As for the future, check this out:
>
> http://www.neredbojias.com/_ugs/mugu.php

Oy! I put up some tests on your facility. Can you make it so that
more than one pic at a time can be uploaded (or have I not
studied your facility enough?)

--
dorayme

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 19 Sep 2007
> 20:59:03 GMT Onideus Mad Hatter scribed:
>
>> That kooks name is Nate Klaiber. He's one of the original Jeff Croft
>> slurpers who was tryin to talk shit about me for saying Flash was the
>> future of web design. Needless to say...he's regrettin that
>> decision. LOL
>
> Hate to say it, O, but in the new Flash is the seed of its own demise.
>
> As for the future, check this out:
>
> http://www.neredbojias.com/_ugs/mugu.php
>
> Now _anybody_ can have an online web page, and the design is the one
> limiting factor. Increasing access to that design is _The Future_ of
> The Web, which, of course, is via html and not Flash or its
> offshoots. Flash definitely has its place, but Abode is typically
> and predictably undermining that right on schedule.

ugh
just what we need
anyone can have a web page

and that's the future of the web?
lol

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:57:23 -0700, "G" <.@.> wrote:

>Neredbojias wrote:
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 19 Sep 2007
>> 20:59:03 GMT Onideus Mad Hatter scribed:
>>
>>> That kooks name is Nate Klaiber. He's one of the original Jeff Croft
>>> slurpers who was tryin to talk shit about me for saying Flash was the
>>> future of web design. Needless to say...he's regrettin that
>>> decision. LOL
>>
>> Hate to say it, O, but in the new Flash is the seed of its own demise.
>>
>> As for the future, check this out:
>>
>> http://www.neredbojias.com/_ugs/mugu.php
>>
>> Now _anybody_ can have an online web page, and the design is the one
>> limiting factor. Increasing access to that design is _The Future_ of
>> The Web, which, of course, is via html and not Flash or its
>> offshoots. Flash definitely has its place, but Abode is typically
>> and predictably undermining that right on schedule.
>
>ugh
>just what we need
>anyone can have a web page
>
>and that's the future of the web?
>lol

You'll have to excuse the D00tchie, she's a bit off...by like TWO
DECADES. Apparently in the land 'o windmills they're only just now
starting to discover CSS and the wondrous joys of MS Frontpage...that
let's ANYONE have a web page! LOL, yeah I remember that tag line
from, what was it...1998 I think? So I guess she's more like a decade
off (although her site form certainly looks like pre-soviet web
coding).

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On 19 Sep 2007 21:44:20 GMT, Neredbojias
wrote:

>Hate to say it, O, but in the new Flash is the seed of its own demise.
>
>As for the future, check this out:
>
>http://www.neredbojias.com/_ugs/mugu.php
>
>Now _anybody_ can have an online web page,

Um, hello, where the fuck have you been for the past decade and a
half? Hell Angelfire and Geoshities started up like, what, in the mid
90s? LOL, don't tell me you're THAT far out of touch with reality!

How does that saying go...the future is now...it's just not evenly
distributed. *snicker*

>and the design is the one limiting factor.

Well, DUH, hence the reason for using Flash. Why limit your design
using non-cross compatible HTML forms when you can create truly cross
compatible content in Flash using whatever kind of design you can
think of.

>Increasing access to that design is _The Future_ of The
>Web, which, of course, is via html and not Flash or its offshoots.

Sorry kid, but the real future is a Flash front end with an XML
backend that can be picked up by search engines and delivered to other
sites via RSS and other XML dialects. That backend increases the
access to the design far more efficiently than any HTML based form
could ever dream of and using Flash as a front end allows you to
create highly stylized, design rich environments that compliment and
enhance the content delivery.

>Flash
>definitely has its place, but Abode is typically and predictably
>undermining that right on schedule.

See, right there, you don't even know what the hell you're talking
about. Adobe has made much of the Flash development environment free
for the taking and are edging closer and closer to making it
completely open, allowing any third party to easily create their own
Flash content builders. As is the case with such programs like
SwishMax.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> On 19 Sep 2007 21:44:20 GMT, Neredbojias
> wrote:

> Sorry kid, but the real future is a Flash front end with an XML
> backend that can be picked up by search engines and delivered to other
> sites via RSS and other XML dialects. That backend increases the
> access to the design far more efficiently than any HTML based form
> could ever dream of and using Flash as a front end allows you to
> create highly stylized, design rich environments that compliment and
> enhance the content delivery.

I'm glad you finally caught up with XML! I told you it was fab :)

Personally I do NOT think Flash is the answer to everything; while 99%
of my work is now Flash based, that's for very specific projects,
clients and markets. Flash would truly be "the future" if you could
successfully replace, say, google.com with it and not loose any
functionality. Sadly, Flash just isn't that sort of platform (yet!).

The future is not about any one technology; it's about the application
of complimentary technologies, a mix and match of what best addresses
your needs, whether that is Flash+XML/Flex or DHTML+AJAX or WFP+VBS...
it doesn't really matter.

>> Flash
>> definitely has its place, but Abode is typically and predictably
>> undermining that right on schedule.
>
> See, right there, you don't even know what the hell you're talking
> about. Adobe has made much of the Flash development environment free
> for the taking and are edging closer and closer to making it
> completely open, allowing any third party to easily create their own
> Flash content builders. As is the case with such programs like
> SwishMax.

Adobe are moving in the right direction with the opening up of the
development platforms (specifically Flex, which is just amazing), but a
lot more needs to be done. It's not *truly* open, and it's not truly
cross platform.

--

x theSpaceGirl (miranda)

http://www.northleithmill.com

-.-

Kammy has a new home: http://www.bitesizedjapan.com

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> How does that saying go...the future is now...

the future is now...
the future, now...
no now
now
shit

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

SpaceGirl wrote:
> The future is not about any one technology; it's about the application
> of complimentary technologies, a mix and match of what best addresses
> your needs, whether that is Flash+XML/Flex or DHTML+AJAX or WFP+VBS...
> it doesn't really matter.

oh
i think im gonna pop!

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

In article <5ldmrdF7np7jU1@mid.individual.net>,
SpaceGirl wrote:

> Personally I do NOT think Flash is the answer to everything

You don't? Are you saying that it is good for where it is
appropriate and not for where it is not appropriate?

Well, I never!

Chorus Travis, Boji, Bergamot please...

--
dorayme

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:39:49 +0100, SpaceGirl
wrote:

>Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>> On 19 Sep 2007 21:44:20 GMT, Neredbojias
>> wrote:
>
>> Sorry kid, but the real future is a Flash front end with an XML
>> backend that can be picked up by search engines and delivered to other
>> sites via RSS and other XML dialects. That backend increases the
>> access to the design far more efficiently than any HTML based form
>> could ever dream of and using Flash as a front end allows you to
>> create highly stylized, design rich environments that compliment and
>> enhance the content delivery.
>
>I'm glad you finally caught up with XML! I told you it was fab :)

Well it was either XML or HTML, one of 'em had to go...so I threw out
the more derivative, deficient form of SGML and kept the better one.
There's simply no need for the both of them and you can do far more
with XML than you can with HTML.

>Personally I do NOT think Flash is the answer to everything; while 99%
>of my work is now Flash based, that's for very specific projects,
>clients and markets. Flash would truly be "the future" if you could
>successfully replace, say, google.com with it and not loose any
>functionality. Sadly, Flash just isn't that sort of platform (yet!).

....why not? I mean, recreating the Google site in Flash would be
exceeding simplistic, it would require almost no effort nor ingenuity
at all since you're pretty much designing it with no complex
interface. And the form would be VASTLY superior in that it could be
made perfect liquid in design, scaling the search result text and
properly anti-aliasing it to look its best on your monitor.

I don't understand why you and many others think that porting
something so uber simplistic as Google would even be anything more
than a sneeze of an effort. In fact...you know what...I think I will
actually. At one point I did create an alternate, customized Google
search site that ran queries on their server and then returned the
results to my custom page...I should just take that thing and
reconstruct it in Flash. LOL, it'll be great, I can use it to bitch
slap all the Flash nay-sayers in six or eight different directions.

Thanks for the great idea, Spacey! ^_^

>The future is not about any one technology; it's about the application
>of complimentary technologies, a mix and match of what best addresses
>your needs, whether that is Flash+XML/Flex or DHTML+AJAX or WFP+VBS...
>it doesn't really matter.

....it really, really, really, REALLY does matter though. I think its
been too long since you designed a DHTML+AJAX site, Spacey. I think
you ought to try one out just so you can remember why you started
using Flash for all your sites. Remember having to do all that
browser/OS checking? LOL

Compatibility is what makes it all matter. With Flash, you know it's
compatible, it simply is, it takes ALL the guess work out of the whole
process and speeds up creation time ten fold. Or did you forget how
much fun it was to get alpha transparent images to work with an
DHTML+AJAX form? Remember having to put in all kinds of browser/os
specific code? Remember having to juggle multiple versions of the
site for different browsers? Then again maybe you were the type who
simply said, "fuck it" and limited yourself to 16 and 24 bit flat,
bloated images (amongst a whole slew of other design compromises).
The bottom line is that ANYTHING that can be done with DHTML+AJAX can
be done BETTER with Flash (not to mention quicker)...if you know how.

>>> Flash
>>> definitely has its place, but Abode is typically and predictably
>>> undermining that right on schedule.
>>
>> See, right there, you don't even know what the hell you're talking
>> about. Adobe has made much of the Flash development environment free
>> for the taking and are edging closer and closer to making it
>> completely open, allowing any third party to easily create their own
>> Flash content builders. As is the case with such programs like
>> SwishMax.

>Adobe are moving in the right direction with the opening up of the
>development platforms (specifically Flex, which is just amazing), but a
>lot more needs to be done. It's not *truly* open, and it's not truly
>cross platform.

Well, it's open enough. One of the major downfalls of HTML is that it
was TOO open, which is where all the cross compatibility issues arose.
If Flash is ever made COMPLETELY open...it'll likely destroy itself in
the same way that HTML has destroyed itself...REAL slow...REAL
painful. *nods*

Oh and as for cross compatibility...sorry Cupcake, but that hole's
been filed since July 10th:
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/

"Adobe delivers Flash Player 9 for Solaris Sparc and Solaris x86
platforms."

LOL...maybe now you doorknobs will start griping that's it's not
compatible with Windows 3.11 or yer fuckin Commodore 64. *snicker*

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

dorayme wrote:
> In article <5ldmrdF7np7jU1@mid.individual.net>,
> SpaceGirl wrote:
>
>> Personally I do NOT think Flash is the answer to everything
>
> You don't? Are you saying that it is good for where it is
> appropriate and not for where it is not appropriate?
>
> Well, I never!
>
> Chorus Travis, Boji, Bergamot please...
>

hmmm...

--

x theSpaceGirl (miranda)

http://www.northleithmill.com

-.-

Kammy has a new home: http://www.bitesizedjapan.com

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:57:23 GMT
G scribed:

>> As for the future, check this out:
>>
>> http://www.neredbojias.com/_ugs/mugu.php
>>
>> Now _anybody_ can have an online web page, and the design is the one
>> limiting factor. Increasing access to that design is _The Future_ of
>> The Web, which, of course, is via html and not Flash or its
>> offshoots. Flash definitely has its place, but Abode is typically
>> and predictably undermining that right on schedule.
>
> ugh
> just what we need
> anyone can have a web page
>
> and that's the future of the web?
> lol

Of course it is; how can you doubt it? Limiting communication has never
proved a successful gambit in the entire history of mankind.

--
Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:03:19 GMT
Onideus Mad Hatter scribed:

> off (although her site form certainly looks like pre-soviet web
> coding).

I was going for the well-established look...

--
Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:55:20 GMT
dorayme scribed:

>> As for the future, check this out:
>>
>> http://www.neredbojias.com/_ugs/mugu.php
>
> Oy! I put up some tests on your facility. Can you make it so that
> more than one pic at a time can be uploaded (or have I not
> studied your facility enough?)

Yeah - at the risk of making it potentially more problematic.

Inc., I happened to be online watching you a coupla days ago add files to
your page. What happened to the black-and-what of the guy in the hat with
a beard looking away from the camera? I believe he was standing in the
sea. That was a good, artistic pic which you disappointed me greatly by
not retaining on the page. Oh, the sorrows of some proverbial grapes.

Now..., creating a page is supposed to be a pleasurable experience, like
eating or sex. Are you so advanced in years that you have forgotten such
benificences? Why rush things when the end is going to be the same,
nevertheless? Life is meant to be savored, not hurdled, and I just can't
understand your antipathy to single-file queueing where you can appreciate
the appearance of each graphic as it is created anew in the digital medium.

Anyway, I'm working on it.

--
Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:14:04
GMT Onideus Mad Hatter scribed:

> Sorry kid, but the real future is a Flash front end with an XML
> backend that can be picked up by search engines and delivered to other
> sites via RSS and other XML dialects. That backend increases the
> access to the design far more efficiently than any HTML based form
> could ever dream of and using Flash as a front end allows you to
> create highly stylized, design rich environments that compliment and
> enhance the content delivery.

Since you amazingly seem to disagree with my opinion, I will tell you the
source of the statement. Some time back, I used to infrequently choose
to peruse a Flash object of some sort or other, and, even more
infrequently, like it. On a whim, I might try to download the .swf for
my own personal use. Sometimes you could and sometimes you couldn't, but
if you could, it always worked, and Nerbo was a happy (if deluded)
camper.

Recently I accidently ran-across a new type Flash video which took my
fancy, so I transferred it to my 'puter. It was an .flv file, I believe.
Anyway, the damn thing refused to run no matter what I did, making it
virtually worthless to me and all my progeny. Ergo, my statement, and
furthermore, if your idea of the future is things that don't work, I can
see why you wear diapers.

>>Flash
>>definitely has its place, but Abode is typically and predictably
>>undermining that right on schedule.
>
> See, right there, you don't even know what the hell you're talking
> about. Adobe has made much of the Flash development environment free
> for the taking and are edging closer and closer to making it
> completely open, allowing any third party to easily create their own
> Flash content builders. As is the case with such programs like
> SwishMax.

Ah, Adobe is neither your friend nor mine; they're in it to make money,
period. If and when this new crap becomes as "open" as .jpg files, I
will concede they have wisdom beyond the tip of their noses which
currently seems to be missing from any probosci whatsoever. Until then,
my opinion stands.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:27:28 GMT
SpaceGirl scribed:

> dorayme wrote:
>> In article <5ldmrdF7np7jU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> SpaceGirl wrote:
>>
>>> Personally I do NOT think Flash is the answer to everything
>>
>> You don't? Are you saying that it is good for where it is
>> appropriate and not for where it is not appropriate?
>>
>> Well, I never!
>>
>> Chorus Travis, Boji, Bergamot please...
>>
>
> hmmm...

She gets that way after the morning toddy.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Sep 20, 12:23 am, Onideus Mad Hatter productions.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:39:49 +0100, SpaceGirl

> ...why not? I mean, recreating the Google site in Flash would be
> exceeding simplistic, it would require almost no effort nor ingenuity
> at all since you're pretty much designing it with no complex
> interface. And the form would be VASTLY superior in that it could be
> made perfect liquid in design, scaling the search result text and
> properly anti-aliasing it to look its best on your monitor.

Without sacrificing usability?

How do you use Google? I tend to shift click links that I'm interested
in so that they open in new tabs so that I can read them all when I've
trawled the first few results. I also quite often use the Google cache
(clicking cached results) so that google highlights the search terms
in the selected document. I also use the mousewheel to scroll through
results, and I sometimes right-click and save images found in google
images.

So, to go through this list:

1) Flash cannot open content in tabs. So you'd have to create your own
tabbing interface
2) As Flash cannot render HTML properly, there is no way it could
display cached results with the search term highlighted in them.
3) Mouse wheel only works in Windows, it's not supported in the other
players (so much for cross browser)
4) No right-click at all in Flash 9 player, on any platform.
5) Flash won't work on my cell phone - it only supports Flash Lite,
but is very basic. Flash is also very very slow on my phone. Google is
lightening fast.

Flash is great - it's what I do for a living - but it's not perfect
and not applicable to all sites. You could not replace Google with a
Flash UI without sacrificing usability on some level. However, you
could argue that you could add new functionality instead. Personally I
think Google Search is very very good at what it does; I'm not sure
what Flash could add to that.

> I don't understand why you and many others think that porting
> something so uber simplistic as Google would even be anything more
> than a sneeze of an effort. In fact...you know what...I think I will
> actually.

Because you've complete ignored how people actually use Google, and
that it works on everything (requiring no plug-in). It's not half as
simple as you think it is, for the reasons I listed earlier. Getting
search results IS easy, the rest of it is quite hard.

> At one point I did create an alternate, customized Google
> search site that ran queries on their server and then returned the
> results to my custom page...I should just take that thing and
> reconstruct it in Flash. LOL, it'll be great, I can use it to bitch
> slap all the Flash nay-sayers in six or eight different directions.

Put your money where your mouth is Matt - I really doubt this can be
done, but I'd be a very happy chick if someone managed WITHOUT loosing
any existing functionality. I'm a strong advocate of Flash as you
know, but I also have to temper my excitement over this technology
with the reality of the user market; for some things usability is far,
far more important than anything else. Google Search is a great
example of this.

> Thanks for the great idea, Spacey! ^_^

Good luck :)

> >The future is not about any one technology; it's about the application
> >of complimentary technologies, a mix and match of what best addresses
> >your needs, whether that is Flash+XML/Flex or DHTML+AJAX or WFP+VBS...
> >it doesn't really matter.
>
> ...it really, really, really, REALLY does matter though. I think its
> been too long since you designed a DHTML+AJAX site, Spacey. I think
> you ought to try one out just so you can remember why you started
> using Flash for all your sites. Remember having to do all that
> browser/OS checking? LOL

Oh I remember. For my sins I still have to maintain a few DHMTL sites,
which I hate. It's not so long ago that I was working through client
sites fixing them for IE7. Blah.

But this stuff only matters to us; designers and developers. Users
don't care at all what technology you are using, so long as it works.
Who cares if something is rendered in WFP or Flash? Chances are they
would look identical. The differences are all behind the scenes, and
the users never see that. So rather than being precious about how you
build a project, you use whatever technology best achieves the goal,
and the users machines can actually display. 99% of the time I use
Flash, because that best suits the sites we build, but we build all
our Admin tools and Content Management stuff in HTML.

Take BiteSizedJapan - the front end is a bleeding edge Flash 9 stuff,
packed with video and nice animation and stacks of lovely content. The
back end is WordPress (PHP), an in house content manager (ASP classic,
HTML, XML) and a .NET XML bridges (C#, XML). It would be a complete
nightmare to build all those tools in Flash - not worth the effort
when we can plug in free things like WP, or build our own server-side
stuff easily.

> Compatibility is what makes it all matter. With Flash, you know it's
> compatible, it simply is, it takes ALL the guess work out of the whole
> process and speeds up creation time ten fold. Or did you forget how
> much fun it was to get alpha transparent images to work with an

Flash is not the same on all platforms sadly. There are slight
differences in the players which can make life difficult. Flash
suffers the same issue as browsers: different versions render things
differently. There are around 4 versions of the Flash 9 player, and
while the core language and rendering is the same in each, each also
has new features... and new bugs. The latest version of the Flash 9
player has new HD codecs in it, for example. If someone visits my site
with an older Flash player they will be prompted to download a newer
build of Flash. This, in a small way, is like telling someone "Hey, my
site does not work in Internet Explorer 7, you must download FireFox 2
before I can let you in". Forcing someone to download a new browser to
gain cross-platform compatibility is not really a good solution :)
Thankfully Flash is small, so it doesn't bother most people. But guess
what? If you are pushing Flash 9 to the edge, you will have to do all
that "browser check" stuff... checking what "build" of Flash 9 the
user has, what platform they are on... all the old Browser issues are
back :(

> >Adobe are moving in the right direction with the opening up of the
> >development platforms (specifically Flex, which is just amazing), but a
> >lot more needs to be done. It's not *truly* open, and it's not truly
> >cross platform.
>
> Well, it's open enough. One of the major downfalls of HTML is that it
> was TOO open, which is where all the cross compatibility issues arose.
> If Flash is ever made COMPLETELY open...it'll likely destroy itself in
> the same way that HTML has destroyed itself...REAL slow...REAL
> painful. *nods*
>
> Oh and as for cross compatibility...sorry Cupcake, but that hole's
> been filed since July 10th:http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/
>
> "Adobe delivers Flash Player 9 for Solaris Sparc and Solaris x86
> platforms."
>
> LOL...maybe now you doorknobs will start griping that's it's not
> compatible with Windows 3.11 or yer fuckin Commodore 64. *snicker*

It would be nice if *all* the features (mousewheel please!! the AS3
event is ignored!!) were supported in linux, and osx... which account
for 10% of all computers.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Sep 19, 5:52 pm, dorayme wrote:
> Yes, where it is appropriate, it should be used and where it is
> not appropriate it should not be used...
> Perhaps Travis would care to gather with us for this motherhood
> chorus to the Flash Anthem.

Sorry, it took so long to comment, I was working on Coke's new Flash
site (just the video sections). Coke found LOTS of appropriate places
on their new site.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Sep 19, 7:06 pm, dorayme wrote:
> > Personally I do NOT think Flash is the answer to everything
> You don't? Are you saying that it is good for where it is
> appropriate and not for where it is not appropriate?
> Well, I never!
> Chorus Travis, Boji, Bergamot please...

I like both appropriate and inappropriate sometimes.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Sep 20, 10:49 am, Travis Newbury wrote:
> On Sep 19, 7:06 pm, dorayme wrote:
>
> > > Personally I do NOT think Flash is the answer to everything
> > You don't? Are you saying that it is good for where it is
> > appropriate and not for where it is not appropriate?
> > Well, I never!
> > Chorus Travis, Boji, Bergamot please...
>
> I like both appropriate and inappropriate sometimes.

That was an inappropriate comment :p

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:03:19 GMT
> Onideus Mad Hatter scribed:
>
>> off (although her site form certainly looks like pre-soviet web
>> coding).
>
> I was going for the well-established look...

Seems to me like "pre-soviet web coding" would have to have been done
before 1922. I'm not convinced that Mosaic was even in alpha back then.
:)


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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Sep 20, 9:49 am, Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:14:04
> GMT Onideus Mad Hatter scribed:
>
> > Sorry kid, but the real future is a Flash front end with an XML
> > backend that can be picked up by search engines and delivered to other
> > sites via RSS and other XML dialects. That backend increases the
> > access to the design far more efficiently than any HTML based form
> > could ever dream of and using Flash as a front end allows you to
> > create highly stylized, design rich environments that compliment and
> > enhance the content delivery.
>
> Since you amazingly seem to disagree with my opinion, I will tell you the
> source of the statement. Some time back, I used to infrequently choose
> to peruse a Flash object of some sort or other, and, even more
> infrequently, like it. On a whim, I might try to download the .swf for
> my own personal use. Sometimes you could and sometimes you couldn't, but
> if you could, it always worked, and Nerbo was a happy (if deluded)
> camper.
>
> Recently I accidently ran-across a new type Flash video which took my
> fancy, so I transferred it to my 'puter. It was an .flv file, I believe.
> Anyway, the damn thing refused to run no matter what I did, making it
> virtually worthless to me and all my progeny. Ergo, my statement, and
> furthermore, if your idea of the future is things that don't work, I can
> see why you wear diapers.
>
> >>Flash
> >>definitely has its place, but Abode is typically and predictably
> >>undermining that right on schedule.
>
> > See, right there, you don't even know what the hell you're talking
> > about. Adobe has made much of the Flash development environment free
> > for the taking and are edging closer and closer to making it
> > completely open, allowing any third party to easily create their own
> > Flash content builders. As is the case with such programs like
> > SwishMax.
>
> Ah, Adobe is neither your friend nor mine; they're in it to make money,
> period. If and when this new crap becomes as "open" as .jpg files, I
> will concede they have wisdom beyond the tip of their noses which
> currently seems to be missing from any probosci whatsoever. Until then,
> my opinion stands.

Well you can't play MPEG movies, or AVI's, or WMVs without the correct
player either... open source or otherwise, you need the a player of
some sort to view them. Jpeg requires something that can display
jpegs. Flash Video (FLV) is no different. Also Flash Video can be
encoded without paying a penny to Adobe. There are actually several
open source FLV players (google it), so just download one. The same
way you'd download the DIVX codec to watch the vast majority of
downloadable (non-streamed) videos, which are DIVX encoded. BTW, I'm
pretty sure DIVX is not open source.

The only thing that is not open is Adobe's own Flash Player, but
that's no big deal.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

SpaceGirl wrote:
> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> > On 19 Sep 2007 21:44:20 GMT, Neredbojias
> > wrote:
>
> > Sorry kid, but the real future is a Flash front end with an XML
> > backend that can be picked up by search engines and delivered to other
> > sites via RSS and other XML dialects. That backend increases the
> > access to the design far more efficiently than any HTML based form
> > could ever dream of and using Flash as a front end allows you to
> > create highly stylized, design rich environments that compliment and
> > enhance the content delivery.
>
> I'm glad you finally caught up with XML! I told you it was fab :)
>
> Personally I do NOT think Flash is the answer to everything; while 99%
> of my work is now Flash based, that's for very specific projects,
> clients and markets. Flash would truly be "the future" if you could
> successfully replace, say, google.com with it and not loose any
> functionality. Sadly, Flash just isn't that sort of platform (yet!).
>
> The future is not about any one technology; it's about the application
> of complimentary technologies, a mix and match of what best addresses
> your needs, whether that is Flash+XML/Flex or DHTML+AJAX or WFP+VBS...
> it doesn't really matter.
>
That is very true, although it's safe to say that the good old static
HTML pages are gone for good replaced with database driven pages or
with page written from include files in my case.
--
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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:24:30
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>> off (although her site form certainly looks like pre-soviet web
>>> coding).
>>
>> I was going for the well-established look...
>
> Seems to me like "pre-soviet web coding" would have to have been done
> before 1922. I'm not convinced that Mosaic was even in alpha back
> then.
>:)

Uh, no, it probably wasn't. You have to make allowances for Onideus. His
enthusiasm "carries him away" sometimes. This can, nevertheless, be
surprisingly effective as a communicable aid when not diseased with a pox
of cusswords and/or allusions to the crotch or other areas common to the
human abdomen.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:57:23 GMT
> G scribed:
>
>>> As for the future, check this out:
>>>
>>> http://www.neredbojias.com/_ugs/mugu.php
>>>
>>> Now _anybody_ can have an online web page, and the design is the one
>>> limiting factor. Increasing access to that design is _The Future_ of
>>> The Web, which, of course, is via html and not Flash or its
>>> offshoots. Flash definitely has its place, but Abode is typically
>>> and predictably undermining that right on schedule.
>> ugh
>> just what we need
>> anyone can have a web page
>>
>> and that's the future of the web?
>> lol
>
> Of course it is; how can you doubt it? Limiting communication has never
> proved a successful gambit in the entire history of mankind.
>

Ever heard of TV? People without TV cannot watch TV shows.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:58:22
GMT SpaceGirl scribed:

>> Recently I accidently ran-across a new type Flash video which took my
>> fancy, so I transferred it to my 'puter. It was an .flv file, I
>> believe. Anyway, the damn thing refused to run no matter what I did,
>> making it virtually worthless to me and all my progeny. Ergo, my
>> statement, and furthermore, if your idea of the future is things that
>> don't work, I can see why you wear diapers.

> Well you can't play MPEG movies, or AVI's, or WMVs without the correct
> player either... open source or otherwise, you need the a player of
> some sort to view them. Jpeg requires something that can display
> jpegs. Flash Video (FLV) is no different. Also Flash Video can be
> encoded without paying a penny to Adobe. There are actually several
> open source FLV players (google it), so just download one. The same
> way you'd download the DIVX codec to watch the vast majority of
> downloadable (non-streamed) videos, which are DIVX encoded.

Really? I was under the impression that Flash Video (FLV) files were
playable in Flash 9, which I have. If it takes a certain player to play
them, I guess that's not too bad then. A little confusing, though.

> The only thing that is not open is Adobe's own Flash Player, but
> that's no big deal.

Perhaps that's why it doesn't play. I dunno...

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:58:22
> GMT SpaceGirl scribed:
>
>>> Recently I accidently ran-across a new type Flash video which took my
>>> fancy, so I transferred it to my 'puter. It was an .flv file, I
>>> believe. Anyway, the damn thing refused to run no matter what I did,
>>> making it virtually worthless to me and all my progeny. Ergo, my
>>> statement, and furthermore, if your idea of the future is things that
>>> don't work, I can see why you wear diapers.
>
>> Well you can't play MPEG movies, or AVI's, or WMVs without the correct
>> player either... open source or otherwise, you need the a player of
>> some sort to view them. Jpeg requires something that can display
>> jpegs. Flash Video (FLV) is no different. Also Flash Video can be
>> encoded without paying a penny to Adobe. There are actually several
>> open source FLV players (google it), so just download one. The same
>> way you'd download the DIVX codec to watch the vast majority of
>> downloadable (non-streamed) videos, which are DIVX encoded.
>
> Really? I was under the impression that Flash Video (FLV) files were
> playable in Flash 9, which I have. If it takes a certain player to play
> them, I guess that's not too bad then. A little confusing, though.

They are, if wrapped in a video player written inside Flash9. Flash 9 is
a Virtual Machine... it runs compiled code (AS3 and AS2), and has all
the mechanisms internally for all kinds of multimedia (including FLV
playback). Flash 9 on it's own does nothing at all. You need to load
something into it, such as a SWF containing a video player. This is how
the likes of YouTube works. They have their own little video player,
written in AS, that runs inside the Flash VM and loads & plays FLVs.

>> The only thing that is not open is Adobe's own Flash Player, but
>> that's no big deal.
>
> Perhaps that's why it doesn't play. I dunno...

Dunno either.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 20 Sep 2007
> 10:24:30 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>> off (although her site form certainly looks like pre-soviet web
>>>> coding).
>>>
>>> I was going for the well-established look...
>>
>> Seems to me like "pre-soviet web coding" would have to have been done
>> before 1922. I'm not convinced that Mosaic was even in alpha back
>> then.
>>:)
>
> Uh, no, it probably wasn't. You have to make allowances for Onideus.

I have. I've allowed him in my killfile since the first round of his
posts that I saw.


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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On 20 Sep 2007 08:49:53 GMT, Neredbojias
wrote:

>> Sorry kid, but the real future is a Flash front end with an XML
>> backend that can be picked up by search engines and delivered to other
>> sites via RSS and other XML dialects. That backend increases the
>> access to the design far more efficiently than any HTML based form
>> could ever dream of and using Flash as a front end allows you to
>> create highly stylized, design rich environments that compliment and
>> enhance the content delivery.

>Since you amazingly seem to disagree with my opinion, I will tell you the
>source of the statement. Some time back, I used to infrequently choose
>to peruse a Flash object of some sort or other, and, even more
>infrequently, like it. On a whim, I might try to download the .swf for
>my own personal use. Sometimes you could and sometimes you couldn't, but
>if you could, it always worked, and Nerbo was a happy (if deluded)
>camper.
>
>Recently I accidently ran-across a new type Flash video which took my
>fancy, so I transferred it to my 'puter. It was an .flv file, I believe.
>Anyway, the damn thing refused to run no matter what I did, making it
>virtually worthless to me and all my progeny. Ergo, my statement, and
>furthermore, if your idea of the future is things that don't work, I can
>see why you wear diapers.

....so because you're an ignorant fucking retard who was clinging to
antediluvian diapers you didn't bother to invest the, what, 58 seconds
worth of effort in Google to find out about, what was it your stupid
ass called it again, oh yes, "a new type of Flash video" (believe me,
all those in the know are laughing our asses off right now).

Here, let me take the time to educate you, because obviously Google is
just WAY too hard for you, innt? FLV is just a container format for
Flash video...that's it, nothin fancier than that. And it would not
have taken your stupid ass more than 23 seconds to go and download a
player capable of handling it. Here, try reading, Shortsighted:

"Flash Video is viewable on most operating systems, via the widely
available Adobe Flash Player and web browser plugin, or one of several
third-party programs such as MPlayer, VLC media player, or any player
which uses DirectShow filters (such as Media Player Classic, Windows
Media Player, and Windows Media Center) when the ffdshow filter is
installed."

....fuckin DUH!

>>>Flash
>>>definitely has its place, but Abode is typically and predictably
>>>undermining that right on schedule.
>>
>> See, right there, you don't even know what the hell you're talking
>> about. Adobe has made much of the Flash development environment free
>> for the taking and are edging closer and closer to making it
>> completely open, allowing any third party to easily create their own
>> Flash content builders. As is the case with such programs like
>> SwishMax.

>Ah, Adobe is neither your friend nor mine; they're in it to make mo

No, you're simply a fuckin retard. You get frustrated because
technology changes and you don't want to invest the five minutes worth
of effort to keep up, so instead you just sit there like a dumbfuck
and blame your lack of knowledge, understanding and IGNORANCE on the
company makin the product, rather than where the blame ACTUALLY
lies...which is ON YOU, Sparkles.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:01:52 -0700, SpaceGirl
wrote:

>> ...why not? I mean, recreating the Google site in Flash would be
>> exceeding simplistic, it would require almost no effort nor ingenuity
>> at all since you're pretty much designing it with no complex
>> interface. And the form would be VASTLY superior in that it could be
>> made perfect liquid in design, scaling the search result text and
>> properly anti-aliasing it to look its best on your monitor.

>Without sacrificing usability?

....huh?

>How do you use Google?

I type shit in the lil box I hit the lil button...how the fuck more
complicated do you need it to be? o_O

>I tend to shift click links that I'm interested
>in so that they open in new tabs so that I can read them all when I've
>trawled the first few results.

.....DUH!

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Spacey_ Duh.png

*shakes head*

I wish people would THINK more before they start typing...it would
make my life a lot easier.

>I also quite often use the Google cache
>(clicking cached results) so that google highlights the search terms
>in the selected document.

....and how exactly would that functionality be lost?

DUH!

Seriously Space, I don't know if you just woke up and took stupid
pills today or what, but I KNOW yer smarter than this.

>I also use the mousewheel to scroll through
>results,

....and how exactly would that functionality be lost?

DUH!

>and I sometimes right-click and save images found in google
>images.

....and how exactly would that functionality be lost?

DUH!

>So, to go through this list:
>
>1) Flash cannot open content in tabs. So you'd have to create your own
>tabbing interface

Flash doesn't need to, that should be the job of the browser.

>2) As Flash cannot render HTML properly, there is no way it could
>display cached results with the search term highlighted in them.

Oh ye of little brain. Maybe by DEFAULT Flash can't render HTML so
good...but then what the fuck is stopping you from doing it yourself?
A nice lil collection of CSS scripts and something to parse all the
tags is all you need. How the fuck do you think this works:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Forum_Te mplate/index.swf

What do you think that loaded message is coming out of the fuckin sky?

DUH!

>3) Mouse wheel only works in Windows, it's not supported in the other
>players (so much for cross browser)

http://blog.pixelbreaker.com/flash/swfmacmousewheel/

DUH!

....although really, who would waste the fuckin bother for, what, 5% of
Mac lusers? LOL

You know Spacey...just because no one feels that whatever piece of
shit you're running is important...yeah, that doesn't mean that it's
not possible, it just mean...where's the fuckin motivation?

>4) No right-click at all in Flash 9 player, on any platform.

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/captivate/articles/right_click.h tml

DUH!

>5) Flash won't work on my cell phone - it only supports Flash Lite,
>but is very basic. Flash is also very very slow on my phone. Google is
>lightening fast.

I never said the thing would be for your cell phone, or for your
fuckin toaster or for your gawd damn shitting vibrator or whatever the
fuck else they're trying franken-bitch into a computer these days.
Not that it matters, I'm more than confident that within the next five
years they'll have the full version of Flash for cell phones, toasters
and even yer lil vibrator, Honey Bunny.

>Flash is great - it's what I do for a living - but it's not perfect
>and not applicable to all sites.

WRONG! You're not perfect...but that's not really a short coming of
Flash so much as it is YOU. And trying to bitch that you can't use
Flash on your cell phone makes about as much sense as bitching that
you can't use Flash on your barbeque. Let me know when they manage to
turn any one of those into a REAL, actual computer with just as much
functionality as a desktop or laptop and maybe I'll suddenly develop
the urge to give a rats ass.

I deal in COMPUTERS...not fuckin lil handheld wannabe pieces of shit
(read fashion accessories).

>You could not replace Google with a
>Flash UI without sacrificing usability on some level.

Is that a challenge? He, he, he...

>However, you could argue that you could add new functionality instead.
>Personally I think Google Search is very very good at what it does;
>I'm not sure what Flash could add to that.

Believe me, I'm not surprised. I mean, you haven't even figured out
how to save yourself the effort of holding down the shift key when you
click a link fer Christ sake.

>> I don't understand why you and many others think that porting
>> something so uber simplistic as Google would even be anything more
>> than a sneeze of an effort. In fact...you know what...I think I will
>> actually.

>Because you've complete ignored how people actually use Google, and
>that it works on everything (requiring no plug-in). It's not half as
>simple as you think it is, for the reasons I listed earlier. Getting
>search results IS easy, the rest of it is quite hard.

*pats you on the head*

Think outside the Google box, Kiddo. Just because YOU can't do
something doesn't mean it can't be done.

>> At one point I did create an alternate, customized Google
>> search site that ran queries on their server and then returned the
>> results to my custom page...I should just take that thing and
>> reconstruct it in Flash. LOL, it'll be great, I can use it to bitch
>> slap all the Flash nay-sayers in six or eight different directions.

>Put your money where your mouth is Matt - I really doubt this can be
>done, but I'd be a very happy chick if someone managed WITHOUT loosing
>any existing functionality. I'm a strong advocate of Flash as you
>know, but I also have to temper my excitement over this technology
>with the reality of the user market; for some things usability is far,
>far more important than anything else. Google Search is a great
>example of this.

I think I'll go ahead and do it, I think it would be a good way to
establish myself as GOD of web development...and I kinda like the
sound of that. `, )

I mean, just think of the bragging rights alone!

>> Thanks for the great idea, Spacey! ^_^

>Good luck :)

*snicker* Like I'll need luck...more time would help, there's hardly
ever enough time...I kinda wish I didn't need to sleep.

>> >The future is not about any one technology; it's about the application
>> >of complimentary technologies, a mix and match of what best addresses
>> >your needs, whether that is Flash+XML/Flex or DHTML+AJAX or WFP+VBS...
>> >it doesn't really matter.

>> ...it really, really, really, REALLY does matter though. I think its
>> been too long since you designed a DHTML+AJAX site, Spacey. I think
>> you ought to try one out just so you can remember why you started
>> using Flash for all your sites. Remember having to do all that
>> browser/OS checking? LOL

>Oh I remember. For my sins I still have to maintain a few DHMTL sites,
>which I hate. It's not so long ago that I was working through client
>sites fixing them for IE7. Blah.

Yeah that's the other wondrous thing, every time a new browser version
comes out, oh, back to the drawing board, time to redo the whole damn
thing. LOL

>But this stuff only matters to us; designers and developers. Users
>don't care at all what technology you are using, so long as it works.
>Who cares if something is rendered in WFP or Flash? Chances are they
>would look identical.

Yeah, maybe if YOU were doing it, however in my lil project to port
Google to Flash...oh, oh I'm gonna exploit every last little thing
that makes Flash superior to other forms. Perfect liquid design baby,
gonna be awesome.

>The differences are all behind the scenes, and
>the users never see that. So rather than being precious about how you
>build a project, you use whatever technology best achieves the goal,
>and the users machines can actually display. 99% of the time I use
>Flash, because that best suits the sites we build, but we build all
>our Admin tools and Content Management stuff in HTML.

Yeah, but only because you don't know how to build them in Flash, or
you don't know how to build them WITH Flash in order to enhance what
they can do.

>Take BiteSizedJapan - the front end is a bleeding edge Flash 9 stuff,
>packed with video and nice animation and stacks of lovely content. The
>back end is WordPress (PHP), an in house content manager (ASP classic,
>HTML, XML) and a .NET XML bridges (C#, XML). It would be a complete
>nightmare to build all those tools in Flash - not worth the effort
>when we can plug in free things like WP, or build our own server-side
>stuff easily.

Like I said, use Flash as the front end, use other stuff for the
backend. But using antideluvian forms like HTML for your backend
instead of say XML...that's just fuckin retarded.

>> Compatibility is what makes it all matter. With Flash, you know it's
>> compatible, it simply is, it takes ALL the guess work out of the whole
>> process and speeds up creation time ten fold. Or did you forget how
>> much fun it was to get alpha transparent images to work with an

>Flash is not the same on all platforms sadly. There are slight
>differences in the players which can make life difficult. Flash
>suffers the same issue as browsers: different versions render things
>differently. There are around 4 versions of the Flash 9 player, and
>while the core language and rendering is the same in each, each also
>has new features... and new bugs. The latest version of the Flash 9
>player has new HD codecs in it, for example. If someone visits my site
>with an older Flash player they will be prompted to download a newer
>build of Flash. This, in a small way, is like telling someone "Hey, my
>site does not work in Internet Explorer 7, you must download FireFox 2
>before I can let you in". Forcing someone to download a new browser to
>gain cross-platform compatibility is not really a good solution :)

It's a good solution when the upgrade can be done automagically in
seconds with no real effort at all on the users part.

>Thankfully Flash is small, so it doesn't bother most people. But guess
>what? If you are pushing Flash 9 to the edge, you will have to do all
>that "browser check" stuff... checking what "build" of Flash 9 the
>user has, what platform they are on... all the old Browser issues are
>back :(

Not really, you just need to have it check for the latest Flash
version...no cross browser checking needed at all. Wouldn't take more
than a couple lines of code and that's it.

>> Oh and as for cross compatibility...sorry Cupcake, but that hole's
>> been filed since July 10th:http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/
>>
>> "Adobe delivers Flash Player 9 for Solaris Sparc and Solaris x86
>> platforms."
>>
>> LOL...maybe now you doorknobs will start griping that's it's not
>> compatible with Windows 3.11 or yer fuckin Commodore 64. *snicker*

>It would be nice if *all* the features (mousewheel please!! the AS3
>event is ignored!!) were supported in linux, and osx... which account
>for 10% of all computers.

Once again...
http://blog.pixelbreaker.com/flash/swfmacmousewheel/

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On 20 Sep 2007 08:18:42 GMT, Neredbojias
wrote:

>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:03:19 GMT
>Onideus Mad Hatter scribed:
>
>> off (although her site form certainly looks like pre-soviet web
>> coding).
>
>I was going for the well-established look...

....at this point "Web 2.0" esque designs would be the "well-establish
look". What you've got is...just laughable, at best.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:55:20 GMT
> dorayme scribed:
>
> >> As for the future, check this out:
> >>
> >> http://www.neredbojias.com/_ugs/mugu.php
> >
> > Oy! I put up some tests on your facility. Can you make it so that
> > more than one pic at a time can be uploaded (or have I not
> > studied your facility enough?)
>
> Yeah - at the risk of making it potentially more problematic.
>
> Inc., I happened to be online watching you a coupla days ago add files to
> your page. What happened to the black-and-what of the guy in the hat with
> a beard looking away from the camera? I believe he was standing in the
> sea. That was a good, artistic pic which you disappointed me greatly by
> not retaining on the page. Oh, the sorrows of some proverbial grapes.
>

Listen up, Mr Wise Guy, I do the watching where you are
concerned. There will be consequences for you snooping on me like
this. I have ordered Officer White back to duty.

> Now..., creating a page is supposed to be a pleasurable experience, like
> eating or sex. Are you so advanced in years that you have forgotten such
> benificences? Why rush things when the end is going to be the same,
> nevertheless? Life is meant to be savored, not hurdled, and I just can't
> understand your antipathy to single-file queueing where you can appreciate
> the appearance of each graphic as it is created anew in the digital medium.

You try having pleasurable experiences making picture pages with
50 billion pics on file and filing cabinets full of negs...
>
> Anyway, I'm working on it.

Good. You want good pictures on your server from me? Let's forget
flowers and woozy stuff like that, what about some that get down
and dirty like... like... pics of my car?

--
dorayme

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

In article
<1190283595.865082.148540@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
SpaceGirl wrote:

> On Sep 20, 10:49 am, Travis Newbury wrote:
> > On Sep 19, 7:06 pm, dorayme wrote:
> >
> > > > Personally I do NOT think Flash is the answer to everything
> > > You don't? Are you saying that it is good for where it is
> > > appropriate and not for where it is not appropriate?
> > > Well, I never!
> > > Chorus Travis, Boji, Bergamot please...
> >
> > I like both appropriate and inappropriate sometimes.
>
> That was an inappropriate comment :p

No it was quite appropriate; the truth is that T thinks some
inappropriate things are appropriate.

--
dorayme

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:01:52 -0700, SpaceGirl
> wrote:
>
>>> ...why not? I mean, recreating the Google site in Flash would be
>>> exceeding simplistic, it would require almost no effort nor ingenuity
>>> at all since you're pretty much designing it with no complex
>>> interface. And the form would be VASTLY superior in that it could be
>>> made perfect liquid in design, scaling the search result text and
>>> properly anti-aliasing it to look its best on your monitor.
>
>> Without sacrificing usability?
>
> ...huh?
>
>> How do you use Google?
>
> I type shit in the lil box I hit the lil button...how the fuck more
> complicated do you need it to be? o_O

That's not what I meant.

>> I tend to shift click links that I'm interested
>> in so that they open in new tabs so that I can read them all when I've
>> trawled the first few results.
>
> ....DUH!
>
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Spacey_ Duh.png

So you're asking the user to change the configuration of their browser
for just your site? What if they want it some other way for all
non-Flash sites? You've taken the option away from them if they are
"forced" to check that box.

> *shakes head*
>
> I wish people would THINK more before they start typing...it would
> make my life a lot easier.

....not to mention when they reply.

>> I also quite often use the Google cache
>> (clicking cached results) so that google highlights the search terms
>> in the selected document.
>
> ...and how exactly would that functionality be lost?

A function that I use (content being highlighted) is no longer
available. How many ways can you describe "functionality lost". LOL.

> DUH!
>
> Seriously Space, I don't know if you just woke up and took stupid
> pills today or what, but I KNOW yer smarter than this.

Explain to me how to achieve the effect I demonstrated would be lost, in
Flash. Given that Flash cannot re-render a web page... Now if we were
talking about AIR, it would be a different story as AIR can render full
HTML. So I could pull up someones web page, with the bits of text I'm
searching for highlighted, and their web page still be correctly
displayed. Not possible in Flash itself.

Again... functionality lost.

>> I also use the mousewheel to scroll through
>> results,
>
> ...and how exactly would that functionality be lost?
>
> DUH!

Because I can no longer scroll with my mousewheel... which is
functionality I have and expect with all scrollable content, such as
lists of search results.

>> and I sometimes right-click and save images found in google
>> images.
>
> ...and how exactly would that functionality be lost?

Lost the function to right-click and save the link, or to search on the
word I have selected, or to save the image...



>
> DUH!
>
>> So, to go through this list:
>>
>> 1) Flash cannot open content in tabs. So you'd have to create your own
>> tabbing interface
>
> Flash doesn't need to, that should be the job of the browser.

Only if you force all links to behave like that in the browser. You're
perfectly in your rights to demand that a user sets up their computer is
a specific way to use your site, but I would not actually expect them to
do it. The result? Loss of functionality.

>> 2) As Flash cannot render HTML properly, there is no way it could
>> display cached results with the search term highlighted in them.
>
> Oh ye of little brain. Maybe by DEFAULT Flash can't render HTML so
> good...but then what the fuck is stopping you from doing it yourself?
> A nice lil collection of CSS scripts and something to parse all the
> tags is all you need. How the fuck do you think this works:
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Forum_Te mplate/index.swf

Flash only supports about 10 CSS attributes... out of many hundreds. So
you'd have to write your own CSS parser from scratch... not to mention
and HTML parser to go along with it. Possible, but heck of an overhead.
You'd sacrifice a great deal of speed.

So, now we have to write our own web browser inside Flash, along with
CSS parsing, before we can even tackle the business of matching Google
Searches Cache view. Tell me how Flash can also support any JS that is
running on that page? It can't So you have to write your own JS engine
too. What if the page has video? You have to write your own video
engine... LOL. Flash cannot re-render external pages with all the content :)

In other words... not going to happen. Means we cannot match the
functionality of Googles Cache view. So we're up to three things now
Flash cannot duplicate that Google Search can do.

> What do you think that loaded message is coming out of the fuckin sky?
>
> DUH!
>
>> 3) Mouse wheel only works in Windows, it's not supported in the other
>> players (so much for cross browser)
>
> http://blog.pixelbreaker.com/flash/swfmacmousewheel/
>
> DUH!

Requires JavaScript to work, which is reliant on the client browser
supplying it. So much for Flash being cross platform...?

Hopefully Adobe have fixed this issue in the newer builds of the player
(there are lots of changes in it), because it IS a pain. I don't want my
Flash projects having to run JavaScript on some machines to get around a
bug in their player... that's back to the old coding for specific
browsers thing.

> ...although really, who would waste the fuckin bother for, what, 5% of
> Mac lusers? LOL

10%, of a market that is growing. Mostly home users, and home users with
money, who are more likely to buy products online (rather than users
with cheap PCs, lower tech, less money to spend or they would have got a
better computer... horrible generalization I know :P)

> You know Spacey...just because no one feels that whatever piece of
> shit you're running is important...yeah, that doesn't mean that it's
> not possible, it just mean...where's the fuckin motivation?
>
>> 4) No right-click at all in Flash 9 player, on any platform.
>
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/captivate/articles/right_click.h tml
>
> DUH!

That's Flash 8 honey. As far as I know, right click has been disabled in
Flash 9, all versions. There is again a JS trick to capture the event
from the browser and pass it back to Flash, but from what I've seen it's
very hit and miss (some browsers don't fire the event, or at least not
in a way the Flash player can understand). It's another Flash bug, and
I'm hoping they fix it in the up-coming builds of Flash 9 (I think 120
is in beta?). At least I hope it's a bug!

>> 5) Flash won't work on my cell phone - it only supports Flash Lite,
>> but is very basic. Flash is also very very slow on my phone. Google is
>> lightening fast.
>
> I never said the thing would be for your cell phone, or for your

Google Search works on my phone. Flash doesn't. That's another loss of
functionality (not to mention another blow for cross-platform support).

> fuckin toaster or for your gawd damn shitting vibrator or whatever the
> fuck else they're trying franken-bitch into a computer these days.
> Not that it matters, I'm more than confident that within the next five
> years they'll have the full version of Flash for cell phones, toasters
> and even yer lil vibrator, Honey Bunny.

Absolutely, we're not far off that at all. But for now all we have is
Flash Lite, which is pretty limited in functionality.

>> Flash is great - it's what I do for a living - but it's not perfect
>> and not applicable to all sites.
>
> WRONG! You're not perfect...

Of course I'm not!

> but that's not really a short coming of
> Flash so much as it is YOU.

Black and white limits of Flash won't change until they fix the player,
or release updates, and fix the cross platform glitches (which to be
fair they are getting to).

> And trying to bitch that you can't use
> Flash on your cell phone makes about as much sense as bitching that
> you can't use Flash on your barbeque. Let me know when they manage to

That wasn't the point. I don't expect Flash to work on my phone. My
phone is crap! But even a crap phone can display regular HTML pages, so
google works just fine as it is.

You claimed that Google can be recreated in Flash without loss of
functionality. I'm just pointing out why this is not possible.

> turn any one of those into a REAL, actual computer with just as much
> functionality as a desktop or laptop and maybe I'll suddenly develop
> the urge to give a rats ass.
>
> I deal in COMPUTERS...not fuckin lil handheld wannabe pieces of shit
> (read fashion accessories).

iPhone perhaps? It's running Unix (OSX) after all. With limited Flash
support...

Anyway once again that's not the point. You said Google can be recreated
without loss of functionality :) Now you are throwing in caveats! To
anyone who uses Google on a mobile device, being no longer able to use
it because it's in Flash sounds like a pretty large loss in functionality :P

>
>> You could not replace Google with a
>> Flash UI without sacrificing usability on some level.
>
> Is that a challenge? He, he, he...

Sure! Why not? I don't think it can be done at all, but as usual with
these things I'm very open minded. I really think Flash is The
technology right now, which is why I work with it so much. Anything that
proves it can replace HTML *and* be better at the task is a Good Thing
as far as I'm concerned.

If you crack the google cache trick, I'd be intrigued. I'm pretty
confident that until Flash gets a full HTML render, it's not possible
though.

>> However, you could argue that you could add new functionality instead.
>> Personally I think Google Search is very very good at what it does;
>> I'm not sure what Flash could add to that.
>
> Believe me, I'm not surprised. I mean, you haven't even figured out
> how to save yourself the effort of holding down the shift key when you
> click a link fer Christ sake.

I dont always want links to open in new tabs. How stupid would that be?
I'd rather have the choice of when it happens. If I want a new tab, I
middle click a link and the link opens in a new tab. If I want it in a
new window I shift+click which opens a brand new window. if I'm casually
browsing I just click and it replaces the current window.

What you are suggesting is I loose all that functionality and force all
links to open in a specific way, which is exactly what we were discuss.
HOW can you build this WITHOUT loosing ANY functionality. Even if it's a
click, or a scrollwheel, or a cache display.

>>> I don't understand why you and many others think that porting
>>> something so uber simplistic as Google would even be anything more
>>> than a sneeze of an effort. In fact...you know what...I think I will
>>> actually.
>
>> Because you've complete ignored how people actually use Google, and
>> that it works on everything (requiring no plug-in). It's not half as
>> simple as you think it is, for the reasons I listed earlier. Getting
>> search results IS easy, the rest of it is quite hard.
>
> *pats you on the head*
>
> Think outside the Google box, Kiddo. Just because YOU can't do
> something doesn't mean it can't be done.

True, but just saying it CAN be done doesn't make it true either :) If
you can demonstrate any of the stuff we've discussed in this thread at
all in an actual working Flash movie, I'll believe you :)

If you can replicate just one set of google results I'll be impressed.

>> Put your money where your mouth is Matt - I really doubt this can be
>> done, but I'd be a very happy chick if someone managed WITHOUT loosing
>> any existing functionality. I'm a strong advocate of Flash as you
>> know, but I also have to temper my excitement over this technology
>> with the reality of the user market; for some things usability is far,
>> far more important than anything else. Google Search is a great
>> example of this.
>
> I think I'll go ahead and do it, I think it would be a good way to
> establish myself as GOD of web development...and I kinda like the
> sound of that. `, )
>
> I mean, just think of the bragging rights alone!

:) looking forwards to it!


>> Oh I remember. For my sins I still have to maintain a few DHMTL sites,
>> which I hate. It's not so long ago that I was working through client
>> sites fixing them for IE7. Blah.
>
> Yeah that's the other wondrous thing, every time a new browser version
> comes out, oh, back to the drawing board, time to redo the whole damn
> thing. LOL

I know :(

What if the next browser releases break the cludge code you have to use
to get mousescroll to work in Flash? :( That worries me. One of the
justifications on one of our large projects for Flash was that we had no
reliance at all on the browser (other than having the Flash Player
installed)... then we discovered the scrolling didn't work... and we had
to use JS to work around it... nightmare.

>> But this stuff only matters to us; designers and developers. Users
>> don't care at all what technology you are using, so long as it works.
>> Who cares if something is rendered in WFP or Flash? Chances are they
>> would look identical.
>
> Yeah, maybe if YOU were doing it, however in my lil project to port
> Google to Flash...oh, oh I'm gonna exploit every last little thing
> that makes Flash superior to other forms. Perfect liquid design baby,
> gonna be awesome.

We have a mini search engine in BSJ, and BSJ is 100% Flash. While it's
not pretending to be google, it seems to work okay. It'd be interesting
to share techniques.

>> The differences are all behind the scenes, and
>> the users never see that. So rather than being precious about how you
>> build a project, you use whatever technology best achieves the goal,
>> and the users machines can actually display. 99% of the time I use
>> Flash, because that best suits the sites we build, but we build all
>> our Admin tools and Content Management stuff in HTML.
>
> Yeah, but only because you don't know how to build them in Flash, or
> you don't know how to build them WITH Flash in order to enhance what
> they can do.

We *could* build them in Flash... Flash comes with some excellent
pre-built form components. We may eventually try integrate the admin
into the magazine itself, full editing in place... that would be
amazing. But time is an issue. Quick and dirty is sometimes perfectly
fine; allows us to focus on the magazine itself rather than admin tools
post people will never see.

It's pretty much impossible to do quick and dirty in Flash forms :)

>> Take BiteSizedJapan - the front end is a bleeding edge Flash 9 stuff,
>> packed with video and nice animation and stacks of lovely content. The
>> back end is WordPress (PHP), an in house content manager (ASP classic,
>> HTML, XML) and a .NET XML bridges (C#, XML). It would be a complete
>> nightmare to build all those tools in Flash - not worth the effort
>> when we can plug in free things like WP, or build our own server-side
>> stuff easily.
>
> Like I said, use Flash as the front end, use other stuff for the
> backend. But using antideluvian forms like HTML for your backend
> instead of say XML...that's just fuckin retarded.

?? Um. XML is a data container.

We have HTML admin pages (forms) that post all the content to the
database. Flash request the data from the database and gets and XML
stream in return... which is nice and easy for Flash to digest.

You really expect our writers and content providers to write XML!?
You're crazier than I thought :)

> It's a good solution when the upgrade can be done automagically in
> seconds with no real effort at all on the users part.

Yep. A rare luxury, most people will allow Flash to upgrade if it asks.

>> Thankfully Flash is small, so it doesn't bother most people. But guess
>> what? If you are pushing Flash 9 to the edge, you will have to do all
>> that "browser check" stuff... checking what "build" of Flash 9 the
>> user has, what platform they are on... all the old Browser issues are
>> back :(
>
> Not really, you just need to have it check for the latest Flash
> version...no cross browser checking needed at all. Wouldn't take more
> than a couple lines of code and that's it.

The current latest versions of Flash still have the mousescroll issue
(Macs/Linux) and no right-click (all versions). I *think* the latest
builds may have addressed some of this, but they are in beta. So I guess
yes; you do have to just make sure they have the latest version... and
then check they are not on a Mac or Linux...

>> It would be nice if *all* the features (mousewheel please!! the AS3
>> event is ignored!!) were supported in linux, and osx... which account
>> for 10% of all computers.
>
> Once again...
> http://blog.pixelbreaker.com/flash/swfmacmousewheel/

Requires JS... Flash itself is broken in this respect so have to rely on
browser technology. Plus... doesn't seem to work on my Mac even with
that... try again.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:45:50 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>> Seems to me like "pre-soviet web coding" would have to have been done
>>> before 1922. I'm not convinced that Mosaic was even in alpha back
>>> then.
>>>:)
>>
>> Uh, no, it probably wasn't. You have to make allowances for Onideus.
>
> I have. I've allowed him in my killfile since the first round of his
> posts that I saw.

Yes, he does seem to often have that effect on people. But we still should
be kindly and generous. Perhaps his mother dropped him on his head when he
was a child. Or perhaps he's Australian, who knows.

--
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Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:08:30
GMT Onideus Mad Hatter scribed:

>>> off (although her site form certainly looks like pre-soviet web
>>> coding).
>>
>>I was going for the well-established look...
>
> ...at this point "Web 2.0" esque designs would be the "well-establish
> look". What you've got is...just laughable, at best.

I take it that means you don't like it?

Come on, O, gimme a break. It's functional, it's readable, it's
accessible, and the colors don't glare you outta the room. Okay, so it
don't look like the Taj Mahal, big deal. If I wanted to be Arabesque or
something I'd wear pants that were tight in the crotch and dabble my thingy
with a lace handerchief post-piss.

--
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Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:26:03
GMT SpaceGirl scribed:

>> Of course it is; how can you doubt it? Limiting communication has
>> never proved a successful gambit in the entire history of mankind.
>>
>
> Ever heard of TV? People without TV cannot watch TV shows.

Yes, the opiate of the masses - post 40s. I watch about, oh, 1/2 hour of
TV per year so I do know what you're referring to.

--
Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 20 Sep 2007
> 17:45:50 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>> Seems to me like "pre-soviet web coding" would have to have been
>>>> done before 1922. I'm not convinced that Mosaic was even in alpha
>>>> back then.
>>>>:)
>>>
>>> Uh, no, it probably wasn't. You have to make allowances for
>>> Onideus.
>>
>> I have. I've allowed him in my killfile since the first round of his
>> posts that I saw.
>
> Yes, he does seem to often have that effect on people. But we still
> should be kindly and generous. Perhaps his mother dropped him on his
> head when he

Why? That is a rhetorical question; you'll probably say something about
your infatuation with dorayme, too. The musical syllables are spelled
"re" and "mi", in the civilized world, of course.

> was a child. Or perhaps he's Australian, who knows.

Who cares? That is a rhetorical question; you obviously do. But I filter
on quality or lack of signal.


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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:48:07
GMT dorayme scribed:

>> Inc., I happened to be online watching you a coupla days ago add
>> files to your page. What happened to the black-and-what of the guy
>> in the hat with a beard looking away from the camera? I believe he
>> was standing in the sea. That was a good, artistic pic which you
>> disappointed me greatly by not retaining on the page. Oh, the
>> sorrows of some proverbial grapes.
>>
>
> Listen up, Mr Wise Guy, I do the watching where you are
> concerned. There will be consequences for you snooping on me like
> this. I have ordered Officer White back to duty.

Hey, it was purely coincidental, I assure you. Besides, whattsa matter,
don't like being watched?

> Good. You want good pictures on your server from me? Let's forget
> flowers and woozy stuff like that, what about some that get down
> and dirty like... like... pics of my car?

Sure. I haven't seen a galaxy since the Nixon years. And what about the
guy in the hat? That pic was truly artistic. Not a secret lover, I
presume...?

Still working on the multi thing. There are security issues involved
(really). But my forte is crappy coding and decrepit programs (-'cause
that's all I ever get to work with.) I can see why the elitests want xml.

--
Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> Perhaps his mother dropped him on his head when he
> was a child. Or perhaps he's Australian, who knows.

Oy!

--
dorayme

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

In article
,
Neredbojias wrote:

> > Good. You want good pictures on your server from me? Let's forget
> > flowers and woozy stuff like that, what about some that get down
> > and dirty like... like... pics of my car?
>
> Sure. I haven't seen a galaxy since the Nixon years. And what about the
> guy in the hat? That pic was truly artistic. Not a secret lover, I
> presume...?

I have always been very fond of that guy - secretly - of course.

Now ok, where is that facility of yours? For my car? Maybe I will
tell you the story of how the poor thing was parked one day and a
no good lowdown truck, probably a garbo truck, ripped off the
front side and it was repaired, disgracefully, as befits my car,
by larrikins in a backyard somewhere. Got room for an MPG of
where we had to tie a chain to the guard and pull it with a car
to get it a bit straighter so it could be panel beat a bit?

--
dorayme

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:45:36
GMT SpaceGirl scribed:

>> Really? I was under the impression that Flash Video (FLV) files were
>> playable in Flash 9, which I have. If it takes a certain player to
>> play them, I guess that's not too bad then. A little confusing,
>> though.
>
> They are, if wrapped in a video player written inside Flash9. Flash 9
> is a Virtual Machine... it runs compiled code (AS3 and AS2), and has
> all the mechanisms internally for all kinds of multimedia (including
> FLV playback). Flash 9 on it's own does nothing at all. You need to
> load something into it, such as a SWF containing a video player. This
> is how the likes of YouTube works. They have their own little video
> player, written in AS, that runs inside the Flash VM and loads & plays
> FLVs.

Well, er, this .flv I d-loaded doesn't play, so that means what I saved
does _not_ include the player?? So what was the point of having it
downloadable? -Just a come-on, something close to .wma files? Yeah,
that's real advancement, all right.

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all
the time, but...

--
Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:25:28
GMT Onideus Mad Hatter scribed:

>>Recently I accidently ran-across a new type Flash video which took my
>>fancy, so I transferred it to my 'puter. It was an .flv file, I
>>believe. Anyway, the damn thing refused to run no matter what I did,
>>making it virtually worthless to me and all my progeny. Ergo, my
>>statement, and furthermore, if your idea of the future is things that
>>don't work, I can see why you wear diapers.
>
> ...so because you're an ignorant fucking retard who was clinging to
> antediluvian diapers you didn't bother to invest the, what, 58 seconds
> worth of effort in Google to find out about, what was it your stupid
> ass called it again, oh yes, "a new type of Flash video" (believe me,
> all those in the know are laughing our asses off right now).
>
> Here, let me take the time to educate you, because obviously Google is
> just WAY too hard for you, innt? FLV is just a container format for
> Flash video...that's it, nothin fancier than that. And it would not
> have taken your stupid ass more than 23 seconds to go and download a
> player capable of handling it. Here, try reading, Shortsighted:
>
> "Flash Video is viewable on most operating systems, via the widely
> available Adobe Flash Player and web browser plugin, or one of several
> third-party programs such as MPlayer, VLC media player, or any player
> which uses DirectShow filters (such as Media Player Classic, Windows
> Media Player, and Windows Media Center) when the ffdshow filter is
> installed."
>
> ...fuckin DUH!

Well, I _said_ I already have Flash 9. So, _you_ are apparently saying
that Flash 9 is not capable of rendering .flv container files at the same
time you are saying that it is. Talk about schizophrenic!

>>>>Flash
>>>>definitely has its place, but Abode is typically and predictably
>>>>undermining that right on schedule.
>>>
>>> See, right there, you don't even know what the hell you're talking
>>> about. Adobe has made much of the Flash development environment
>>> free for the taking and are edging closer and closer to making it
>>> completely open, allowing any third party to easily create their own
>>> Flash content builders. As is the case with such programs like
>>> SwishMax.
>
>>Ah, Adobe is neither your friend nor mine; they're in it to make
>>mo
>
> No, you're simply a fuckin retard. You get frustrated because
> technology changes and you don't want to invest the five minutes worth
> of effort to keep up, so instead you just sit there like a dumbfuck
> and blame your lack of knowledge, understanding and IGNORANCE on the
> company makin the product, rather than where the blame ACTUALLY
> lies...which is ON YOU, Sparkles.

Well, you're right in the sense that I don't feel as if I should have to
spend inordinate amounts of time "keeping up" with all the new crap that
comes out which will eventually end up in the trash bin, anyway.

There will always be some demand for animation and other related
dynamics. Whether Flash will ultimately fulfill that need remains to be
seen, but I think it's taken a step backwards with this so-called "new
technology" which certainly don't seem to be worth a shit as far as I can
see.

--
Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Sep 20, 5:52 pm, dorayme wrote:
> > > I like both appropriate and inappropriate sometimes.
> > That was an inappropriate comment :p
> No it was quite appropriate; the truth is that T thinks some
> inappropriate things are appropriate.

One man's appropriate is another's inappropriate

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Sep 20, 1:31 pm, Neredbojias wrote:
> Really? I was under the impression that Flash Video (FLV) files were
> playable in Flash 9, which I have. If it takes a certain player to play
> them, I guess that's not too bad then. A little confusing, though.

The Flash player has the ability to play an FLV, but you must have a
video player in the SWF

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Sep 20, 11:49 pm, Neredbojias wrote:
> Well, er, this .flv I d-loaded doesn't play, so that means what I saved
> does _not_ include the player?? So what was the point of having it
> downloadable?

I see no point in having it downloadable without making a player
available for download too.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Sep 21, 4:27 am, Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:26:03
> GMT SpaceGirl scribed:
>
> >> Of course it is; how can you doubt it? Limiting communication has
> >> never proved a successful gambit in the entire history of mankind.
>
> > Ever heard of TV? People without TV cannot watch TV shows.
>
> Yes, the opiate of the masses - post 40s. I watch about, oh, 1/2 hour of
> TV per year so I do know what you're referring to.

TV is very successful, but it limited to those with TVs. Just as the
Internet is limited to those with Internet access. Limited
communication can be successful :)

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:28:11 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>> I have. I've allowed him in my killfile since the first round of his
>>> posts that I saw.
>>
>> Yes, he does seem to often have that effect on people. But we still
>> should be kindly and generous. Perhaps his mother dropped him on his
>> head when he
>
> Why? That is a rhetorical question; you'll probably say something about
> your infatuation with dorayme, too. The musical syllables are spelled
> "re" and "mi", in the civilized world, of course.
>
>> was a child. Or perhaps he's Australian, who knows.
>
> Who cares? That is a rhetorical question; you obviously do. But I filter
> on quality or lack of signal.

Geez, Blinky, you sound bitter. The world is filled with all kinds of
characters, and dealing with them is part of life. I'm on this newsgroup
to, basically, have fun, and if I can learn a few things in the process, so
much the better. But if I pull a few chains in the process, I hardly feel
like I've committed a crime or something for doing so.

--
Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:30:10
GMT SpaceGirl scribed:

>> >> Of course it is; how can you doubt it? Limiting communication has
>> >> never proved a successful gambit in the entire history of mankind.
>>
>> > Ever heard of TV? People without TV cannot watch TV shows.
>>
>> Yes, the opiate of the masses - post 40s. I watch about, oh, 1/2
>> hour of TV per year so I do know what you're referring to.
>
> TV is very successful, but it limited to those with TVs. Just as the
> Internet is limited to those with Internet access. Limited
> communication can be successful :)

Sure. But why can't I view my .flv file with Flash 9? Do I need another
player or not? Do I need another "package file"? That's what I'm trying
to find out in a straight, unambiguous manner.

--
Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:47:53
GMT dorayme scribed:

>> Sure. I haven't seen a galaxy since the Nixon years. And what about
>> the guy in the hat? That pic was truly artistic. Not a secret
>> lover, I presume...?
>
> I have always been very fond of that guy - secretly - of course.
>
> Now ok, where is that facility of yours? For my car? Maybe I will
> tell you the story of how the poor thing was parked one day and a
> no good lowdown truck, probably a garbo truck, ripped off the
> front side and it was repaired, disgracefully, as befits my car,
> by larrikins in a backyard somewhere. Got room for an MPG of
> where we had to tie a chain to the guard and pull it with a car
> to get it a bit straighter so it could be panel beat a bit?

It's up. 10-at-a-crack. I tried it; it worked. Er, once.

What I really wanna do is provide the ability for the user to submit
his/her own thumb. Sometimes one wants to crop or trim the representations
of images for, if nothing else, dramatic effect. That'll be next.

--
Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:56:55 GMT
Travis Newbury scribed:

> On Sep 20, 11:49 pm, Neredbojias wrote:
>> Well, er, this .flv I d-loaded doesn't play, so that means what I saved
>> does _not_ include the player?? So what was the point of having it
>> downloadable?
>
> I see no point in having it downloadable without making a player
> available for download too.

Exactly my point. So where's the player? Why doesn't it play straight-
away in Flash 9? Everybody says how simple it is yet I haven't read a
straight answer as to how to view the damn thing so far. Oh, sure, "Google
for it..." Google this, bro.

--
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Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:55:08 GMT
Travis Newbury scribed:

> On Sep 20, 1:31 pm, Neredbojias wrote:
>> Really? I was under the impression that Flash Video (FLV) files were
>> playable in Flash 9, which I have. If it takes a certain player to play
>> them, I guess that's not too bad then. A little confusing, though.
>
> The Flash player has the ability to play an FLV, but you must have a
> video player in the SWF

So...the .flv which packages the .swf which doesn't have a video player is
playable on Flash 9 but the .swf doesn't come thru because it has no
player. Wonderful. That's just peachy - what I always wanted in my poor,
humble life - something else that works like shit.

--
Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:25:28 -0700
Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

[severed]
>
> Here, let me take the time to educate you, because obviously Google is
> just WAY too hard for you, innt? FLV is just a container format for
> Flash video...that's it, nothin fancier than that. And it would not
> have taken your stupid ass more than 23 seconds to go and download a
> player capable of handling it. Here, try reading, Shortsighted:
>
> "Flash Video is viewable on most operating systems, via the widely
> available Adobe Flash Player and web browser plugin, or one of several
> third-party programs such as MPlayer, VLC media player, or any player
> which uses DirectShow filters (such as Media Player Classic, Windows
> Media Player, and Windows Media Center) when the ffdshow filter is
> installed."
>
> ...fuckin DUH!


Figures you'd use flash, maddie.
REAL MEN print out their porn and then make a flip book out of it.

FYI

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:55:08 GMT
> Travis Newbury scribed:
>
>> On Sep 20, 1:31 pm, Neredbojias wrote:
>>> Really? I was under the impression that Flash Video (FLV) files were
>>> playable in Flash 9, which I have. If it takes a certain player to play
>>> them, I guess that's not too bad then. A little confusing, though.
>> The Flash player has the ability to play an FLV, but you must have a
>> video player in the SWF
>
> So...the .flv which packages the .swf which doesn't have a video player is
> playable on Flash 9 but the .swf doesn't come thru because it has no
> player. Wonderful. That's just peachy - what I always wanted in my poor,
> humble life - something else that works like shit.
>

Grrr.


Look, you cannot play an MPEG without a video player, right? Well you
cannot play FLV without a video player either. Flash is not a video
player - it's a virtual machine for running applications written in
actionscript. While a video play can be written in Flash (it supports
the codecs) it doesn't have a player right there read for you to use. No
different than any other player.

What you need in life is a less dismissive attitude.


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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:37:25 +0100, SpaceGirl
wrote:

>Neredbojias wrote:
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:55:08 GMT
>> Travis Newbury scribed:
>>
>>> On Sep 20, 1:31 pm, Neredbojias wrote:
>>>> Really? I was under the impression that Flash Video (FLV) files were
>>>> playable in Flash 9, which I have. If it takes a certain player to play
>>>> them, I guess that's not too bad then. A little confusing, though.
>>> The Flash player has the ability to play an FLV, but you must have a
>>> video player in the SWF
>>
>> So...the .flv which packages the .swf which doesn't have a video player is
>> playable on Flash 9 but the .swf doesn't come thru because it has no
>> player. Wonderful. That's just peachy - what I always wanted in my poor,
>> humble life - something else that works like shit.
>>
>
>Grrr.
>
>
>Look, you cannot play an MPEG without a video player, right? Well you
>cannot play FLV without a video player either. Flash is not a video
>player - it's a virtual machine for running applications written in
>actionscript. While a video play can be written in Flash (it supports
>the codecs) it doesn't have a player right there read for you to use. No
>different than any other player.
>
>What you need in life is a less dismissive attitude.

Or less stupidity. I mean, have you SEEN their website? *shakes
head* Apparently that's all the better you can produce with an
attitude like theirs.

Well, I'm off to work now, I'll reply to some other posts when I get
off work if I've got some time.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:56:55 GMT
> Travis Newbury scribed:
>
>> On Sep 20, 11:49 pm, Neredbojias wrote:
>>> Well, er, this .flv I d-loaded doesn't play, so that means what I saved
>>> does _not_ include the player?? So what was the point of having it
>>> downloadable?
>> I see no point in having it downloadable without making a player
>> available for download too.
>
> Exactly my point. So where's the player? Why doesn't it play straight-
> away in Flash 9? Everybody says how simple it is yet I haven't read a
> straight answer as to how to view the damn thing so far. Oh, sure, "Google
> for it..." Google this, bro.
>

If you download a java applet and don't have Java installed... it's the
same thing. Flash 9 is a virtual machine. Without giving it something to
run it does nothing at all except eat a little disk space.

If you have a Windows machine, chances are you have .NET installed. Same
thing again... .NET is just a series of libraries that let you run
things. It doesn't do anything on its own.

Would you like me to upload a player somewhere for you? I can create a
FLV player in Flash 9 in about five minutes flat.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:28:11 GMT
> Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>>> I have. I've allowed him in my killfile since the first round of his
>>>> posts that I saw.
>>>
>>> Yes, he does seem to often have that effect on people. But we still
>>> should be kindly and generous. Perhaps his mother dropped him on his
>>> head when he
>>
>> Why? That is a rhetorical question; you'll probably say something about
>> your infatuation with dorayme, too. The musical syllables are spelled
>> "re" and "mi", in the civilized world, of course.
>>
>>> was a child. Or perhaps he's Australian, who knows.
>>
>> Who cares? That is a rhetorical question; you obviously do. But I filter
>> on quality or lack of signal.
>
> Geez, Blinky, you sound bitter. The world is filled with all kinds of
> characters, and dealing with them is part of life. I'm on this newsgroup

Avoiding is dealing with.


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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Neredbojias wrote:
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007
>> 03:28:11 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>
>>>>> I have. I've allowed him in my killfile since the first round of
>>>>> his posts that I saw.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, he does seem to often have that effect on people. But we
>>>> still should be kindly and generous. Perhaps his mother dropped
>>>> him on his head when he
>>>
>>> Why? That is a rhetorical question; you'll probably say something
>>> about your infatuation with dorayme, too. The musical syllables
>>> are spelled "re" and "mi", in the civilized world, of course.
>>>
>>>> was a child. Or perhaps he's Australian, who knows.
>>>
>>> Who cares? That is a rhetorical question; you obviously do. But I
>>> filter on quality or lack of signal.
>>
>> Geez, Blinky, you sound bitter. The world is filled with all kinds
>> of characters, and dealing with them is part of life. I'm on this
>> newsgroup
>
> Avoiding is dealing with.

pussy

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

G wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007
>>> 03:28:11 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>>
>>>>>> I have. I've allowed him in my killfile since the first round of
>>>>>> his posts that I saw.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, he does seem to often have that effect on people. But we
>>>>> still should be kindly and generous. Perhaps his mother dropped
>>>>> him on his head when he
>>>>
>>>> Why? That is a rhetorical question; you'll probably say something
>>>> about your infatuation with dorayme, too. The musical syllables
>>>> are spelled "re" and "mi", in the civilized world, of course.
>>>>
>>>>> was a child. Or perhaps he's Australian, who knows.
>>>>
>>>> Who cares? That is a rhetorical question; you obviously do. But I
>>>> filter on quality or lack of signal.
>>>
>>> Geez, Blinky, you sound bitter. The world is filled with all kinds
>>> of characters, and dealing with them is part of life. I'm on this
>>> newsgroup
>>
>> Avoiding is dealing with.
>
> pussy

1. There's no glory in hanging out with kooks, ass holes and trolls.

2. The purpose of computers is to do work for us. One example of utilizing
computers to do our work is the killfile.


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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> G wrote:
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007
>>>> 03:28:11 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I have. I've allowed him in my killfile since the first round
>>>>>>> of his posts that I saw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, he does seem to often have that effect on people. But we
>>>>>> still should be kindly and generous. Perhaps his mother dropped
>>>>>> him on his head when he
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? That is a rhetorical question; you'll probably say something
>>>>> about your infatuation with dorayme, too. The musical syllables
>>>>> are spelled "re" and "mi", in the civilized world, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>>> was a child. Or perhaps he's Australian, who knows.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who cares? That is a rhetorical question; you obviously do. But I
>>>>> filter on quality or lack of signal.
>>>>
>>>> Geez, Blinky, you sound bitter. The world is filled with all kinds
>>>> of characters, and dealing with them is part of life. I'm on this
>>>> newsgroup
>>>
>>> Avoiding is dealing with.
>>
>> pussy
>
> 1. There's no glory in hanging out with kooks, ass holes and trolls.
>
> 2. The purpose of computers is to do work for us. One example of
> utilizing computers to do our work is the killfile.

you still hang/swim with em
all you're doing is just wearing blinders

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

G wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> G wrote:
>>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>>>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007
>>>>> 03:28:11 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have. I've allowed him in my killfile since the first round
>>>>>>>> of his posts that I saw.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, he does seem to often have that effect on people. But we
>>>>>>> still should be kindly and generous. Perhaps his mother dropped
>>>>>>> him on his head when he
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why? That is a rhetorical question; you'll probably say
>>>>>> something about your infatuation with dorayme, too. The musical
>>>>>> syllables are spelled "re" and "mi", in the civilized world, of
>>>>>> course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> was a child. Or perhaps he's Australian, who knows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who cares? That is a rhetorical question; you obviously do. But
>>>>>> I filter on quality or lack of signal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Geez, Blinky, you sound bitter. The world is filled with all
>>>>> kinds of characters, and dealing with them is part of life. I'm
>>>>> on this newsgroup
>>>>
>>>> Avoiding is dealing with.
>>>
>>> pussy
>>
>> 1. There's no glory in hanging out with kooks, ass holes and trolls.
>>
>> 2. The purpose of computers is to do work for us. One example of
>> utilizing computers to do our work is the killfile.
>
> you still hang/swim with em all you're doing is just wearing blinders

Works for me. Similarly, I can't remove the cow shit from a field, but
that doesn't mean I have to eat it. You're welcome to consume it by the
ton, of course; there's no accounting for taste.


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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> of course; there's no accounting for taste.

my thoughts exactly

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

G wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> of course; there's no accounting for taste.

> my thoughts exactly

Bon appetit, then, in your shitfield. I'll still pass.


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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On 2007-09-20, Neredbojias wrote:
....
> Recently I accidently ran-across a new type Flash video which took my
> fancy, so I transferred it to my 'puter. It was an .flv file, I believe.
> Anyway, the damn thing refused to run no matter what I did, making it
> virtually worthless to me and all my progeny.

I've had no problem playing .flv files using ffplay or mplayer.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:55:58
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>> Geez, Blinky, you sound bitter. The world is filled with all kinds
>> of characters, and dealing with them is part of life. I'm on this
>> newsgroup
>
> Avoiding is dealing with.

Well, yes, but... I think you're implying that I'm too gregarious. And,
hmm, maybe you're right. Perhaps I'll try the shark-approach for awhile
and see how it fits. I can get fed up, too, you know.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:37:25
GMT SpaceGirl scribed:

>>> The Flash player has the ability to play an FLV, but you must have a
>>> video player in the SWF
>>
>> So...the .flv which packages the .swf which doesn't have a video
>> player is playable on Flash 9 but the .swf doesn't come thru because
>> it has no player. Wonderful. That's just peachy - what I always
>> wanted in my poor, humble life - something else that works like shit.
>>
>
> Grrr.
>
>
> Look, you cannot play an MPEG without a video player, right? Well you
> cannot play FLV without a video player either. Flash is not a video
> player - it's a virtual machine for running applications written in
> actionscript. While a video play can be written in Flash (it supports
> the codecs) it doesn't have a player right there read for you to use.
> No different than any other player.

Okay, and thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally, somebody said
something that makes sense. "Flash is _not_ a video player." _Now_ I
think I understand it: you need your own extra-Flash-9 player to play the
files on your own computer. Apparently web sites can embed or provide a
player "on the fly" so to speak.

See, that's the trouble with "discussing" something with someone like
Onideus. There may be some accurate little amoebas of truth in his
otherwise disdaining sputum, but there're so overwhelmed by the
extraneous ego-stroking effluvia that anything of value within is
obfuscated beyond redemption. He really is a sad little man, pudgy or
not, and the proof is right there in the sub-sig crap he persists in
posting.

> What you need in life is a less dismissive attitude.

I tried it once but dismissed it as ineffectual. :)

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:15:26
GMT Chris F.A. Johnson scribed:

> On 2007-09-20, Neredbojias wrote:
> ...
>> Recently I accidently ran-across a new type Flash video which took my
>> fancy, so I transferred it to my 'puter. It was an .flv file, I
>> believe. Anyway, the damn thing refused to run no matter what I did,
>> making it virtually worthless to me and all my progeny.
>
> I've had no problem playing .flv files using ffplay or mplayer.

Okay, I shall try one of those at my earliest opportunity.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:44:43
GMT SpaceGirl scribed:

> If you have a Windows machine, chances are you have .NET installed.
> Same thing again... .NET is just a series of libraries that let you
> run things. It doesn't do anything on its own.

Partially - I don't update it.

> Would you like me to upload a player somewhere for you? I can create a
> FLV player in Flash 9 in about five minutes flat.

....Or recommend one you think is good.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:55:58
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>> Geez, Blinky, you sound bitter. The world is filled with all kinds
>>> of characters, and dealing with them is part of life. I'm on this
>>> newsgroup
>>
>> Avoiding is dealing with.
>
> Well, yes, but... I think you're implying that I'm too gregarious. And,
> hmm, maybe you're right. Perhaps I'll try the shark-approach for awhile
> and see how it fits. I can get fed up, too, you know.

One wouldn't know it. ;)

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007
> 17:44:43 GMT SpaceGirl scribed:
>
>> If you have a Windows machine, chances are you have .NET installed.
>> Same thing again... .NET is just a series of libraries that let you
>> run things. It doesn't do anything on its own.
>
> Partially - I don't update it.

I have a laptop with XP. It's not important to me, so I let MS update
it about once a month. It always tells me I need this particular .NET
update, and after I okay that along with the other shit, it tells me it
can't do the .NET upgrade. Been doing that for as long as I can
remember (I bought it in January of last year).


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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:29:55 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

> Neredbojias wrote:
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007
>> 17:44:43 GMT SpaceGirl scribed:
>>
>>> If you have a Windows machine, chances are you have .NET installed.
>>> Same thing again... .NET is just a series of libraries that let you
>>> run things. It doesn't do anything on its own.
>>
>> Partially - I don't update it.
>
> I have a laptop with XP. It's not important to me, so I let MS update
> it about once a month. It always tells me I need this particular .NET
> update, and after I okay that along with the other shit, it tells me it
> can't do the .NET upgrade. Been doing that for as long as I can
> remember (I bought it in January of last year).

Well, ya know, Microsoft _is_ frustrated. People just don't do things
right. What they do do screws up their excellently-working software which
would work excellently if people would just use it the way they're supposed
to. You must have done _something_ inimical to the system - loaded a gif
or reset your screen resolution, or something! It's quite a syndrome.

Btw, you know anything about all these new certificate warnings I'm all-of-
a-sudden getting all the time? Methinks it might have something to do with
one of MS's latest security updates.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:29:55 GMT
> Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 21 Sep 2007
>>> 17:44:43 GMT SpaceGirl scribed:
>>>
>>>> If you have a Windows machine, chances are you have .NET installed.
>>>> Same thing again... .NET is just a series of libraries that let you
>>>> run things. It doesn't do anything on its own.
>>>
>>> Partially - I don't update it.
>>
>> I have a laptop with XP. It's not important to me, so I let MS update
>> it about once a month. It always tells me I need this particular .NET
>> update, and after I okay that along with the other shit, it tells me it
>> can't do the .NET upgrade. Been doing that for as long as I can
>> remember (I bought it in January of last year).
>
> Well, ya know, Microsoft _is_ frustrated. People just don't do things
> right. What they do do screws up their excellently-working software which
> would work excellently if people would just use it the way they're supposed
> to. You must have done _something_ inimical to the system - loaded a gif
> or reset your screen resolution, or something! It's quite a syndrome.

I have committed those sins from time to time. Worse, I've been known
to use non-MS (there! I said it!) programs.

> Btw, you know anything about all these new certificate warnings I'm all-of-
> a-sudden getting all the time? Methinks it might have something to do with
> one of MS's latest security updates.

Haven't seen 'em.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:00:15
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

>> Well, ya know, Microsoft _is_ frustrated. People just don't do
>>things
>> right. What they do do screws up their excellently-working software
>> which would work excellently if people would just use it the way
>> they're supposed to. You must have done _something_ inimical to the
>> system - loaded a gif or reset your screen resolution, or something!
>> It's quite a syndrome.
>
> I have committed those sins from time to time. Worse, I've been known
> to use non-MS (there! I said it!) programs.

Hey, I've used progs from before Microsoft and the IBM-type PC box.
'Course, gave me a heck of a case of PMS.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:00:15
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>>> Well, ya know, Microsoft _is_ frustrated. People just don't do
>>>things
>>> right. What they do do screws up their excellently-working software
>>> which would work excellently if people would just use it the way
>>> they're supposed to. You must have done _something_ inimical to the
>>> system - loaded a gif or reset your screen resolution, or something!
>>> It's quite a syndrome.
>>
>> I have committed those sins from time to time. Worse, I've been known
>> to use non-MS (there! I said it!) programs.
>
> Hey, I've used progs from before Microsoft and the IBM-type PC box.
> 'Course, gave me a heck of a case of PMS.

So have I. :) 1965.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On 21 Sep 2007 03:27:55 GMT, Neredbojias
wrote:

>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:26:03
>GMT SpaceGirl scribed:
>
>>> Of course it is; how can you doubt it? Limiting communication has
>>> never proved a successful gambit in the entire history of mankind.
>>>
>>
>> Ever heard of TV? People without TV cannot watch TV shows.
>
>Yes, the opiate of the masses - post 40s. I watch about, oh, 1/2 hour of
>TV per year so I do know what you're referring to.

Yeesh, it's no wonder your web site looks the way it does. No TV
equals no imagination as far as I'm concerned (unless maybe all you
watch is daytime trash and reality bullshit).

It's not TV that's bad, it's what you do when you watch it. If you
watch TV just to "zone out" then yeah, yer probably not getting much,
but if yer like me you watch TV in order to be inspired with new
ideas, concepts, characters, stories, etc.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:19:31
GMT Onideus Mad Hatter scribed:

>>> Ever heard of TV? People without TV cannot watch TV shows.
>>
>>Yes, the opiate of the masses - post 40s. I watch about, oh, 1/2 hour
>>of TV per year so I do know what you're referring to.
>
> Yeesh, it's no wonder your web site looks the way it does. No TV
> equals no imagination as far as I'm concerned (unless maybe all you
> watch is daytime trash and reality bullshit).

We agree on the reality bullshit.

> It's not TV that's bad, it's what you do when you watch it. If you
> watch TV just to "zone out" then yeah, yer probably not getting much,
> but if yer like me you watch TV in order to be inspired with new
> ideas, concepts, characters, stories, etc.

That's a reasonable argument. TV doesn't inspire me at all; I even have
trouble getting enthused over most movies but it's hard to deny that some
TV shows can be beneficially stimulating to some people some of the time.
As for myself, I get "kicks" from stuff like programming, doing markup and
css well, and even just bsing here on the newsgroup. I used to derive
quite a bit of pleasure from books, but even those lately have seemed
rather mundane and passe. -Old age creeping in, I guess.

I can't understand why you don't like my website. I consider it the
pinnacle of design excellence. Okay, maybe the "Make your own
webpage" pages are a bit basic, but certainly the home page is a "Star
Wars"-flavoured extravaganza. And what they both do is, in my opinion,
quite unique. Anyway, one man's oolong tea is another's chicken noodle
soup. Hasta.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sun, 23 Sep 2007 06:11:34 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

>>> I have committed those sins from time to time. Worse, I've been known
>>> to use non-MS (there! I said it!) programs.
>>
>> Hey, I've used progs from before Microsoft and the IBM-type PC box.
>> 'Course, gave me a heck of a case of PMS.
>
> So have I. :) 1965.

I didn't get into it until '73. Radio Shack Model One. What a great
computer! The tape i/o even had a volume control! When the model 4 came
out available with 2 disk drives (-for about 2 grand), I was in heaven.
Ah, those were the daze.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Travis Newbury wrote:
> On Sep 19, 5:52 pm, dorayme wrote:
>> Yes, where it is appropriate, it should be used and where it is
>> not appropriate it should not be used...
>> Perhaps Travis would care to gather with us for this motherhood
>> chorus to the Flash Anthem.
>
> Sorry, it took so long to comment, I was working on Coke's new Flash
> site (just the video sections). Coke found LOTS of appropriate places
> on their new site.

Cool, I worked for Coke for a year too, doing UI design (also using
Flash!! :))


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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Sep 21, 1:44 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter productions.net> wrote:
> Well, I'm off to work now, I'll reply to some other posts when I get
> off work if I've got some time.

I shall inform the media...

Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:05:53 +0100, SpaceGirl
wrote:

>> I type shit in the lil box I hit the lil button...how the fuck more
>> complicated do you need it to be? o_O

>That's not what I meant.

Well, you should say what you mean.

>>> I tend to shift click links that I'm interested
>>> in so that they open in new tabs so that I can read them all when I've
>>> trawled the first few results.
>>
>> ....DUH!
>>
>> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Usenet/Spacey_ Duh.png

>So you're asking the user to change the configuration of their browser
>for just your site?

No, Sparkles, I'm asking them to change the configuration of their
browser for the function they want...I mean either you want stuff
opened in tabs or you don't. It doesn't make any sense to sit there
hittin an extra button every time you click a link...unless you're an
idiot.

It figures though, I mean dribblers like yourself whine on end about
the wondrous achievement of fuckin tabs, whining and snitting about
IE6 every chance you get because it doesn't have tabs...and then you
start fuckin whining about having to use the tabs all the time.
There's just no pleasing snits and that truly is the bottom line.
Snits are snits, they're unhappy, they're unpleasant and all they
really like doing is bitching. If things are one way, they want 'em
the other. If things are the other way, they want 'em back the way
they were.

>What if they want it some other way for all
>non-Flash sites? You've taken the option away from them if they are
>"forced" to check that box.

You do realize that ctrl+click will work in reverse when that box is
checked, right? Won't work in reverse with Flash stuff, but it will
with everything else, so you're not really losing any
"functionality"...and by that I mean snitting, because honestly, I
don't think I've heard a more absurd complaint since that idiot woman
outside of Wal*Mart started bitching to me about the fuckin bench
being too close to the bike rack (in her opinion).

>> *shakes head*
>>
>> I wish people would THINK more before they start typing...it would
>> make my life a lot easier.

>...not to mention when they reply.

I'm pretty sure that's what I said, Kiddo. Take notes if you can't
keep up.

>>> I also quite often use the Google cache
>>> (clicking cached results) so that google highlights the search terms
>>> in the selected document.

>> ...and how exactly would that functionality be lost?

>A function that I use (content being highlighted) is no longer
>available. How many ways can you describe "functionality lost". LOL.

The function is only "lost" if they don't bother to program it in.
Honestly Spacey, if you think something so utterly basic as a Flash
based HTML parser would anything more than child's play you're not
even half the Flash developer I imagined you as.

Ooo...that's another great project though...a Flash based HTML
browser. I'm likin that idea.

>Explain to me how to achieve the effect I demonstrated would be lost, in
>Flash. Given that Flash cannot re-render a web page...

Fuckin DUH! Just because it can't do it by default doesn't mean you
can't code yer own Flash based HTML rendering engine. Just have it
import the HTML as plain text and then have it split the text apart
based on the tags and rebuilt as Flash constructs. As I said, just
like the test XML entry on my forum prototype:

Only a bit more advanced to handle more complex tags.

>Now if we were
>talking about AIR, it would be a different story as AIR can render full
>HTML. So I could pull up someones web page, with the bits of text I'm
>searching for highlighted, and their web page still be correctly
>displayed. Not possible in Flash itself.

Not possible for YOU maybe. Don't confuse YOUR deficiency with a
deficiency of the language. Actionscript is capable of far more than
you can even begin to try and imagine.

>Lost the function to right-click and save the link, or to search on the
>word I have selected, or to save the image...

All of which is easily recreated in Flash. Again, not by default,
there's no fuckin hand holding, cookie cutter, wipe yer ass wizard to
do it for you. YOU have to code that functionality in if you want it
and it CAN be done...so long as you've got the skill...which you
obviously don't.

>Only if you force all links to behave like that in the browser.

And yet that's the way it works anyway...fuckin DUH, all the link are
going to behave in either one way or the other, the only exception is
when using a ctrl+click and even that gets reversed if you switch the
setting.

>>> 2) As Flash cannot render HTML properly, there is no way it could
>>> display cached results with the search term highlighted in them.
>>
>> Oh ye of little brain. Maybe by DEFAULT Flash can't render HTML so
>> good...but then what the fuck is stopping you from doing it yourself?
>> A nice lil collection of CSS scripts and something to parse all the
>> tags is all you need. How the fuck do you think this works:
>> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Forum_Te mplate/index.swf

>Flash only supports about 10 CSS attributes... out of many hundreds. So
>you'd have to write your own CSS parser from scratch... not to mention
>and HTML parser to go along with it. Possible, but heck of an overhead.
>You'd sacrifice a great deal of speed.

Not really considering that once you made it you would be able to
reuse it for pretty much any and all future sites...not to mention you
could sell usage and make a shit load of money.

>So, now we have to write our own web browser inside Flash, along with
>CSS parsing, before we can even tackle the business of matching Google
>Searches Cache view.

Oh I'm sorry, is that too complicated for you? LOL, I thought you
were good, Spacey, not some dribbling flunkie. If you're on my level
you know damn well that wouldn't take more than a week or two of
concentrated effort to complete. And again, you'd be able to reuse it
on any and all future sites.

>Tell me how Flash can also support any JS that is
>running on that page? It can't So you have to write your own JS engine
>too. What if the page has video? You have to write your own video
>engine... LOL. Flash cannot re-render external pages with all the content :)

Um, neither can Google's cache search, Sparkles

>In other words... not going to happen. Means we cannot match the
>functionality of Googles Cache view.

Sure we can, Google's cache view is practically limited to only the
plain text of an old site. Very rarely is much else still left
intact, maybe some pictures. The point of Google's cache search is
the TEXT of the site, not a cache of the site itself you bumbling
idiot. I swear, I'm really starting to wonder if you've ever even
used Google's cache search before.

>>> 3) Mouse wheel only works in Windows, it's not supported in the other
>>> players (so much for cross browser)

>> http://blog.pixelbreaker.com/flash/swfmacmousewheel/
>>
>> DUH!

>Requires JavaScript to work, which is reliant on the client browser
>supplying it. So much for Flash being cross platform...?

That's "javascript", do note the lack of capitals. And javascript
works on all major browsers on all major operating systems and is
enabled on all of them by default, so I don't know what the fuck yer
babbling about.

>> ...although really, who would waste the fuckin bother for, what, 5% of
>> Mac lusers? LOL

>10%, of a market that is growing.

Yeah, keep dreamin, Sunshine. I've been hearing that 'ol line for
fuckin DECADES now. You doorknob zealots really do need to learn to
give it a fuckin rest already. I mean, yer revolution didn't happen,
it just didn't. It didn't happen, it's not going to happen and quit
fuckin jackin yerself off to the fantasy until it comes true (which
will be never).

>Mostly home users, and home users with
>money, who are more likely to buy products online (rather than users
>with cheap PCs, lower tech, less money to spend or they would have got a
>better computer... horrible generalization I know :P)

Pretty much as backwards as it gets really. The only thing Macs are
good for is Mac Trendies...Gavin wannabes, suckin down lattes, dreamin
about bigger logos and typin along on their lil prefab, cookie cutter
web blogs about how "hip" and "mainstream" they think are...totally
outside the box, totally non-conformist. *nods*

Most home users buy their computers at Staples and Wal*Mart. They're
cheap, they're easy and best of all they're disposable. If something
goes wrong with it in a few years, hey, just go get another. To your
average computer user a Mac is more of a burden than anything and
nearly every new, first time, Mac buyer out there will wind up buying
a PC as their second system once they learn that the Mac hype isn't
all it's cracked up to be. The number of FORMER Mac users is just
fuckin staggering. The number of FORMER PC users is...practically
nonexistent. The ONLY people who stick with Macs are Mac Zealots.

>>> 4) No right-click at all in Flash 9 player, on any platform.

>> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/captivate/articles/right_click.h tml
>>
>> DUH!

>That's Flash 8 honey. As far as I know, right click has been disabled in
>Flash 9, all versions.

First I've heard that. Not that it matters. You do realize you're
not actually restricted to any particular version of Flash when
exporting, right?

>>> 5) Flash won't work on my cell phone - it only supports Flash Lite,
>>> but is very basic. Flash is also very very slow on my phone. Google is
>>> lightening fast.
>>
>> I never said the thing would be for your cell phone, or for your

>Google Search works on my phone. Flash doesn't. That's another loss of
>functionality (not to mention another blow for cross-platform support).

Google Search for you phone isn't even the same fucking site for your
computer you idiot fuck!

http://www.google.mobi

Fuckin DUH!

You're essentially trying to argue apples and oranges. Google, the
Google you use to search on your computer is NOT COMPATIBLE with yer
cell phone you fuckin retard.

>> fuckin toaster or for your gawd damn shitting vibrator or whatever the
>> fuck else they're trying franken-bitch into a computer these days.
>> Not that it matters, I'm more than confident that within the next five
>> years they'll have the full version of Flash for cell phones, toasters
>> and even yer lil vibrator, Honey Bunny.

>Absolutely, we're not far off that at all. But for now all we have is
>Flash Lite, which is pretty limited in functionality.

As is the current Google mobile search engine.

>> And trying to bitch that you can't use
>> Flash on your cell phone makes about as much sense as bitching that
>> you can't use Flash on your barbeque. Let me know when they manage to

>That wasn't the point. I don't expect Flash to work on my phone. My
>phone is crap! But even a crap phone can display regular HTML pages, so
>google works just fine as it is.

No, you idiot fuck, your crap ass cell phone CANNOT DISPLAY REGULAR
HTML PAGES. It can display a bastardized, limited, botched together,
hobble of HTML that simply won't work on any fuckin site that wasn't
specifically designed for cell phones and 10 times out of 10 on a
..mobi domain.

>You claimed that Google can be recreated in Flash without loss of
>functionality. I'm just pointing out why this is not possible.

And I'm just pointing out why you're an idiot.

>> Is that a challenge? He, he, he...

>Sure! Why not? I don't think it can be done at all, but as usual with
>these things I'm very open minded. I really think Flash is The
>technology right now, which is why I work with it so much. Anything that
>proves it can replace HTML *and* be better at the task is a Good Thing
>as far as I'm concerned.
>
>If you crack the google cache trick, I'd be intrigued. I'm pretty
>confident that until Flash gets a full HTML render, it's not possible
>though.

Yes, because it'll be *SO* complicated to build a parse engine that
can extract all the text out of an HTML page. *rolls eyes*

Again, I really don't think you've ever even used Google's cache
search before, because the only fuckin thing it does most of the time
and the only fuckin thing it was even designed for in the first place
is to cache the text content...nothing more than that.

>>> However, you could argue that you could add new functionality instead.
>>> Personally I think Google Search is very very good at what it does;
>>> I'm not sure what Flash could add to that.
>>
>> Believe me, I'm not surprised. I mean, you haven't even figured out
>> how to save yourself the effort of holding down the shift key when you
>> click a link fer Christ sake.

>I dont always want links to open in new tabs. How stupid would that be?

About as stupid as complaining that IE6 doesn't support tabs. Again,
yer a snit, so yer just not happy either way. I mean people like you
just need a continual online tampon so you can keep bitching without
interruption.

>I'd rather have the choice of when it happens. If I want a new tab, I
>middle click a link and the link opens in a new tab.

Middle click, huh? So now you're claiming that all computer mice have
a middle button, eh? Uh oh, did I spot some hypocrisy in your snit
fit? I think that I did. The same worthless, idiot "arguments" you
had about the option setting can just as easily be applied to your
ASSumption that every person on the planet has a middle mouse button.

>If I want it in a
>new window I shift+click which opens a brand new window. if I'm casually
>browsing I just click and it replaces the current window.

Why wouldn't you just do it all in tabs?

>What you are suggesting is I loose all that functionality

No, see stupid, YOUR the one whose losing functionality. The GAINED
functionality, the "UPGRADE" from IE6 was TABS. The whole basis of
the argument was that tabs are superior in every way to new windows.
So really, all your middle click is doing (or lack of middle click
depending on how you have it setup) is LOSING the functionality gained
through tabs. Essentially, what you're complaining about is the
inability to lose functionality...which makes no fuckin sense at all
unless yer just some dumb fuckin snit bitch lookin to bellyache about
shit.

>>> Take BiteSizedJapan - the front end is a bleeding edge Flash 9 stuff,
>>> packed with video and nice animation and stacks of lovely content. The
>>> back end is WordPress (PHP), an in house content manager (ASP classic,
>>> HTML, XML) and a .NET XML bridges (C#, XML). It would be a complete
>>> nightmare to build all those tools in Flash - not worth the effort
>>> when we can plug in free things like WP, or build our own server-side
>>> stuff easily.

>> Like I said, use Flash as the front end, use other stuff for the
>> backend. But using antideluvian forms like HTML for your backend
>> instead of say XML...that's just fuckin retarded.

>?? Um. XML is a data container.

Um, so is HTML. HTML isn't a programming language, it's a MARKUP
language.

>We have HTML admin pages (forms) that post all the content to the
>database. Flash request the data from the database and gets and XML
>stream in return... which is nice and easy for Flash to digest.
>
>You really expect our writers and content providers to write XML!?
>You're crazier than I thought :)

No, I expect a Flash front end form to send the data to a PHP script
which will then convert it into an XML document and save it to the
server.

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Re: Flickr Kook Has Been Caught!

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>> So you're asking the user to change the configuration of their browser
>> for just your site?
>
> No, Sparkles, I'm asking them to change the configuration of their
> browser for the function they want...I mean either you want stuff
> opened in tabs or you don't. It doesn't make any sense to sit there
> hittin an extra button every time you click a link...unless you're an
> idiot.

But relying on a user to alter the default configuration of a product
just to support something that only takes up a small part of the WWW? I
understand your point - but you cannot expect users to modify their
browsers to work around a functionality issue of Flash. Just because
they CAN do it doesn't mean they will.

I like the choice, Flash removes that choice.

> It figures though, I mean dribblers like yourself whine on end about
> the wondrous achievement of fuckin tabs, whining and snitting about
> IE6 every chance you get because it doesn't have tabs...and then you
> start fuckin whining about having to use the tabs all the time.

?

> There's just no pleasing snits and that truly is the bottom line.
> Snits are snits, they're unhappy, they're unpleasant and all they
> really like doing is bitching. If things are one way, they want 'em
> the other. If things are the other way, they want 'em back the way
> they were.
>
>> What if they want it some other way for all
>> non-Flash sites? You've taken the option away from them if they are
>> "forced" to check that box.
>
> You do realize that ctrl+click will work in reverse when that box is
> checked, right? Won't work in reverse with Flash stuff, but it will
> with everything else, so you're not really losing any
> "functionality"...and by that I mean snitting, because honestly, I
> don't think I've heard a more absurd complaint since that idiot woman
> outside of Wal*Mart started bitching to me about the fuckin bench
> being too close to the bike rack (in her opinion).

It may not be a big deal to you and I, but to folks who are used to
working a particular way?


>> A function that I use (content being highlighted) is no longer
>> available. How many ways can you describe "functionality lost". LOL.
>
> The function is only "lost" if they don't bother to program it in.



> Honestly Spacey, if you think something so utterly basic as a Flash
> based HTML parser would anything more than child's play you're not
> even half the Flash developer I imagined you as.

You do realise how much code you're talking about? Even the smallest of
opensource HTML parsers runs into tens of thousands of lines of code.

> Ooo...that's another great project though...a Flash based HTML
> browser. I'm likin that idea.

I think if it were realistic, Adobe would have already done it. Instead
they brought in WebKit and added it to AIR. It's much larger than Flash,
partly because you have several Mb of code inside it to render HTML/CSS.

>> Explain to me how to achieve the effect I demonstrated would be lost, in
>> Flash. Given that Flash cannot re-render a web page...
>
> Fuckin DUH! Just because it can't do it by default doesn't mean you
> can't code yer own Flash based HTML rendering engine. Just have it
> import the HTML as plain text and then have it split the text apart
> based on the tags and rebuilt as Flash constructs. As I said, just
> like the test XML entry on my forum prototype:

You could, of course, write a full HTML parser in Flash. But the effort
would be HUGE.

Think of the nightmare of parsing DIV tags, floats, borders, in-line
styles, multiple external CSS.... brrr.

Anyway I did hear today there IS a project out there trying to do just this!

> Only a bit more advanced to handle more complex tags.

Just a bit :)

>> Now if we were
>> talking about AIR, it would be a different story as AIR can render full
>> HTML. So I could pull up someones web page, with the bits of text I'm
>> searching for highlighted, and their web page still be correctly
>> displayed. Not possible in Flash itself.
>
> Not possible for YOU maybe. Don't confuse YOUR deficiency with a
> deficiency of the language. Actionscript is capable of far more than
> you can even begin to try and imagine.

Hmm. I'm not AS3 expert :) I'm learning as I'm going!

>> Lost the function to right-click and save the link, or to search on the
>> word I have selected, or to save the image...
>
> All of which is easily recreated in Flash.

There's no right click in Flash. No amount of coding inside AS is going
to get around the fact that the player does not support that event :)
You have to rely on external code (JS), and hope that the browser
handles events correctly so that they can be passed to Flash (several
browsers do not do this).

>> Flash only supports about 10 CSS attributes... out of many hundreds. So
>> you'd have to write your own CSS parser from scratch... not to mention
>> and HTML parser to go along with it. Possible, but heck of an overhead.
>> You'd sacrifice a great deal of speed.
>
> Not really considering that once you made it you would be able to
> reuse it for pretty much any and all future sites...not to mention you
> could sell usage and make a shit load of money.

And nobody has done this because...? Think about it.

>> So, now we have to write our own web browser inside Flash, along with
>> CSS parsing, before we can even tackle the business of matching Google
>> Searches Cache view.
>
> Oh I'm sorry, is that too complicated for you? LOL, I thought you
> were good, Spacey, not some dribbling flunkie. If you're on my level
> you know damn well that wouldn't take more than a week or two of
> concentrated effort to complete. And again, you'd be able to reuse it
> on any and all future sites.
>
>> Tell me how Flash can also support any JS that is
>> running on that page? It can't So you have to write your own JS engine
>> too. What if the page has video? You have to write your own video
>> engine... LOL. Flash cannot re-render external pages with all the content :)
>
> Um, neither can Google's cache search, Sparkles

It manages a pretty good job of it.

>> In other words... not going to happen. Means we cannot match the
>> functionality of Googles Cache view.
>
> Sure we can, Google's cache view is practically limited to only the
> plain text of an old site. Very rarely is much else still left

True, but as this covers almost all web pages, this is a somewhat moot
point.

> intact, maybe some pictures. The point of Google's cache search is
> the TEXT of the site, not a cache of the site itself you bumbling
> idiot. I swear, I'm really starting to wonder if you've ever even
> used Google's cache search before.

Yes it indexes the text. It highlights the text. It displays the
highlighted text in a fairly accurate re-rendering of the site the
results are on, with the good cache header included at the top.

Extremely hard to do in Flash, hard enough to probably not be
realistically possible.

>>>> 3) Mouse wheel only works in Windows, it's not supported in the other
>>>> players (so much for cross browser)
>
>>> http://blog.pixelbreaker.com/flash/swfmacmousewheel/
>>>
>>> DUH!
>
>> Requires JavaScript to work, which is reliant on the client browser
>> supplying it. So much for Flash being cross platform...?
>
> That's "javascript", do note the lack of capitals. And javascript

Actually it IS JavaScript.. as per ECMA (the standards behind JS), not
to mention pretty much every official reference, and all of the
documentation. It's only lower case when quoting as a MIME
("text/javascript"). Try googling before you open your mouth :D

> works on all major browsers on all major operating systems and is
> enabled on all of them by default, so I don't know what the fuck yer
> babbling about.

Yes, but not identically on all browsers, so your point is irrelevant.
It's more to do with the way the Flash object works inside a browser,
rather than JavaScript in particular; JS passing things to Flash doesn't
work quite the same on all browser so you have to watch your step.

>>> ...although really, who would waste the fuckin bother for, what, 5% of
>>> Mac lusers? LOL
>
>> 10%, of a market that is growing.
>
> Yeah, keep dreamin, Sunshine. I've been hearing that 'ol line for
> fuckin DECADES now. You doorknob zealots really do need to learn to
> give it a fuckin rest already. I mean, yer revolution didn't happen,
> it just didn't. It didn't happen, it's not going to happen and quit
> fuckin jackin yerself off to the fantasy until it comes true (which
> will be never).

:D different argument! But Apple's share is growing at a slow but steady
pace as people see the light :P

>> Mostly home users, and home users with
>> money, who are more likely to buy products online (rather than users
>> with cheap PCs, lower tech, less money to spend or they would have got a
>> better computer... horrible generalization I know :P)
>
> Pretty much as backwards as it gets really. The only thing Macs are
> good for is Mac Trendies...Gavin wannabes, suckin down lattes, dreamin
> about bigger logos and typin along on their lil prefab, cookie cutter
> web blogs about how "hip" and "mainstream" they think are...totally
> outside the box, totally non-conformist. *nods*

Personally I don't care what computers folks use, unless I get a client
moaning at me because Windows has choked again. I'm not really
interested. We use Macs because they are very fast, very reliable, and
easy to use. The rest is meaningless.

> Most home users buy their computers at Staples and Wal*Mart. They're
> cheap, they're easy and best of all they're disposable. If something

Yep. Most people don't need anything more than that. Plus I'm all for
personal choice. Most folks know someone who can fix a Windows machine
if/when it pops, so it's not THAT much of an issue the reliability
things. Everyone should have a pet geek :)

> goes wrong with it in a few years, hey, just go get another. To your
> average computer user a Mac is more of a burden than anything and
> nearly every new, first time, Mac buyer out there will wind up buying
> a PC as their second system once they learn that the Mac hype isn't
> all it's cracked up to be. The number of FORMER Mac users is just
> fuckin staggering. The number of FORMER PC users is...practically
> nonexistent. The ONLY people who stick with Macs are Mac Zealots.

Having fun there in your dream world? :D

>> That's Flash 8 honey. As far as I know, right click has been disabled in
>> Flash 9, all versions.
>
> First I've heard that.

That'll be because you have no clue what you are talking about, no
experience, and no skill. Same as usual then :D ... and then you kindly
go on to prove my point:

> Not that it matters. You do realize you're
> not actually restricted to any particular version of Flash when
> exporting, right?

AS3 only works in Flash 9!

>>>> 5) Flash won't work on my cell phone - it only supports Flash Lite,
>>>> but is very basic. Flash is also very very slow on my phone. Google is
>>>> lightening fast.
>>> I never said the thing would be for your cell phone, or for your
>
>> Google Search works on my phone. Flash doesn't. That's another loss of
>> functionality (not to mention another blow for cross-platform support).
>
> Google Search for you phone isn't even the same fucking site for your
> computer you idiot fuck!
>
> http://www.google.mobi

Regular google.com works on my phone "you idiot fuck". That was the
whole point :)

> You're essentially trying to argue apples and oranges. Google, the
> Google you use to search on your computer is NOT COMPATIBLE with yer
> cell phone you fuckin retard.

Yes it is, unless I imagine using it! :) Won't your Flash version be?

>>> fuckin toaster or for your gawd damn shitting vibrator or whatever the
>>> fuck else they're trying franken-bitch into a computer these days.
>>> Not that it matters, I'm more than confident that within the next five
>>> years they'll have the full version of Flash for cell phones, toasters
>>> and even yer lil vibrator, Honey Bunny.
>
>> Absolutely, we're not far off that at all. But for now all we have is
>> Flash Lite, which is pretty limited in functionality.
>
> As is the current Google mobile search engine.
>
>>> And trying to bitch that you can't use
>>> Flash on your cell phone makes about as much sense as bitching that
>>> you can't use Flash on your barbeque. Let me know when they manage to
>
>> That wasn't the point. I don't expect Flash to work on my phone. My
>> phone is crap! But even a crap phone can display regular HTML pages, so
>> google works just fine as it is.
>
> No, you idiot fuck, your crap ass cell phone CANNOT DISPLAY REGULAR
> HTML PAGES. It can display a bastardized, limited, botched together,
> hobble of HTML that simply won't work on any fuckin site that wasn't
> specifically designed for cell phones and 10 times out of 10 on a
> .mobi domain.

My phone renders XHTML perfectly fine thanks, although the browser is
horribly sluggish and chokes on a lot of CSS... and has no JS. It's an
old phone though.

>
> And I'm just pointing out why you're an idiot.

You've not actually provided a legitimate reply to anything yet. Insults
are a lot easier for a small brain I suppose.

>>> Is that a challenge? He, he, he...
>
>> Sure! Why not? I don't think it can be done at all, but as usual with
>> these things I'm very open minded. I really think Flash is The
>> technology right now, which is why I work with it so much. Anything that
>> proves it can replace HTML *and* be better at the task is a Good Thing
>> as far as I'm concerned.
>>
>> If you crack the google cache trick, I'd be intrigued. I'm pretty
>> confident that until Flash gets a full HTML render, it's not possible
>> though.
>
> Yes, because it'll be *SO* complicated to build a parse engine that
> can extract all the text out of an HTML page. *rolls eyes*

Extracting the text is relatively easy. Recreating the page so that it
is almost identical, with text highlighted... if it's that easy why have
you not done it yet to prove me wrong?

>> I'd rather have the choice of when it happens. If I want a new tab, I
>> middle click a link and the link opens in a new tab.
>
> Middle click, huh? So now you're claiming that all computer mice have
> a middle button, eh? Uh oh, did I spot some hypocrisy in your snit

Nope. But those that do aren't supported in Flash.

> fit? I think that I did. The same worthless, idiot "arguments" you
> had about the option setting can just as easily be applied to your
> ASSumption that every person on the planet has a middle mouse button.

I'm not assuming that at all. I use a laptop a lot of the time. It
doesn't even have a mouse, let alone middle clicking or a scrollwheel!
When I am on a computer with a scrollwheel, I like to use it. I want to
be able to use that in Flash.

>> If I want it in a
>> new window I shift+click which opens a brand new window. if I'm casually
>> browsing I just click and it replaces the current window.
>
> Why wouldn't you just do it all in tabs?

Sometimes I do, mostly I don't. I like the choice. Don't you? I'm sure
you'd find it very irritating if you're told you MUST use something in a
particular way, when it clearly works perfectly another way too. Don't
take choice away from your users, they won't love you.

>> What you are suggesting is I loose all that functionality
>
> No, see stupid, YOUR the one whose losing functionality. The GAINED
> functionality, the "UPGRADE" from IE6 was TABS. The whole basis of

I don't use IE6... not sure where all these UE6-centric arguments of
yours are coming from. I use Safari on my Macs (doesn't have tabbing at
all) and FireFox (which does) and IE7 on the PC (which does). The
default setup for IE, Opera and Fx is to open a link in the same tab...

> the argument was that tabs are superior in every way to new windows.

Agreed.

> So really, all your middle click is doing (or lack of middle click
> depending on how you have it setup) is LOSING the functionality gained
> through tabs.

Middle click opens a link in a tab. Otherwise, regular click opens in
current window. I don't see what I'm loosing there?

> Essentially, what you're complaining about is the
> inability to lose functionality...which makes no fuckin sense at all
> unless yer just some dumb fuckin snit bitch lookin to bellyache about
> shit.

Umm... are you okay over there?

> Um, so is HTML. HTML isn't a programming language, it's a MARKUP
> language.

No, HTML contains some presentation & lots of layout stuff as well.
There are no or or