Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

Hello,

I am a PHP newbie looking for a PHP editor I can use with a WYSIWYG
interface for HTML (e.g. like Dreamweaver or Frontpage). I'm running
Vista. I am having installation problems with both Dreamweaver and
FCKEditor, so those two seem out of the question, even though they do
what I want. Basically, I'm looking to make changes mostly to the HTML
content of a PHP website, and want to do so in the easiest way
possible, preferably without having to manually FTP my files to and
from my computer.

Any insights?

Thanks!

Rex

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

"Rex" wrote in message
news:1190352082.687632.118150@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com.. .
> Hello,
>
> I am a PHP newbie looking for a PHP editor I can use with a WYSIWYG
> interface for HTML (e.g. like Dreamweaver or Frontpage). I'm running
> Vista. I am having installation problems with both Dreamweaver and
> FCKEditor, so those two seem out of the question, even though they do
> what I want. Basically, I'm looking to make changes mostly to the HTML
> content of a PHP website, and want to do so in the easiest way
> possible, preferably without having to manually FTP my files to and
> from my computer.
>
> Any insights?
>
> Thanks!


not wysiwg, but...

winscp in conjunction with crimson editor. my winning combination anyway.

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

"Rex" wrote in message
news:1190352082.687632.118150@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com.. .
>
> I am a PHP newbie looking for a PHP editor I can use with a WYSIWYG
> interface for HTML (e.g. like Dreamweaver or Frontpage). I'm running
> Vista. I am having installation problems with both Dreamweaver and
> FCKEditor, so those two seem out of the question, even though they do
> what I want. Basically, I'm looking to make changes mostly to the HTML
> content of a PHP website, and want to do so in the easiest way
> possible, preferably without having to manually FTP my files to and
> from my computer.

Zend Studio does that for $99.

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

On 21 sep, 10:07, "Sanders Kaufman" wrote:
> "Rex" wrote in message
>
> news:1190352082.687632.118150@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com.. .
>
>
>
> > I am a PHP newbie looking for a PHP editor I can use with a WYSIWYG
> > interface for HTML (e.g. like Dreamweaver or Frontpage). I'm running
> > Vista. I am having installation problems with both Dreamweaver and
> > FCKEditor, so those two seem out of the question, even though they do
> > what I want. Basically, I'm looking to make changes mostly to the HTML
> > content of a PHP website, and want to do so in the easiest way
> > possible, preferably without having to manually FTP my files to and
> > from my computer.
>
> Zend Studio does that for $99.

You have a nice plugin for Eclipse: http://download.eclipse.org/tools/pdt/downloads/

Do you know Nvu/kompozer: http://www.kompozer.net/? Done by Mozilla's
foundation...

But, since I have tried Send Studio, I admit that it is the best IDE
I've worked with!

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

"Rex" wrote in message
news:1190352082.687632.118150@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com.. .
> Hello,
>
> I am a PHP newbie looking for a PHP editor I can use with a WYSIWYG
> interface for HTML (e.g. like Dreamweaver or Frontpage). I'm running
> Vista. I am having installation problems with both Dreamweaver and
> FCKEditor, so those two seem out of the question, even though they do
> what I want. Basically, I'm looking to make changes mostly to the HTML
> content of a PHP website, and want to do so in the easiest way
> possible, preferably without having to manually FTP my files to and
> from my computer.
>
> Any insights?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rex

I use Dreamweaver as my editor and ftp client. The HTNL is WYSIWYG, and the
php is nicely color-coded. I don't see the need for a WYSIWYG for the php
part.

Shelly

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

"Rex" wrote in message
news:1190352082.687632.118150@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com.. .
> Hello,
>
> I am a PHP newbie looking for a PHP editor I can use with a WYSIWYG
> interface for HTML (e.g. like Dreamweaver or Frontpage). I'm running
> Vista. I am having installation problems with both Dreamweaver and
> FCKEditor, so those two seem out of the question, even though they do
> what I want. Basically, I'm looking to make changes mostly to the HTML
> content of a PHP website, and want to do so in the easiest way
> possible, preferably without having to manually FTP my files to and
> from my computer.
>
> Any insights?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rex

While you are at it and beginning your PHP experience, consider the
structure that I finally adopted for myself. Any page I now write is
actually at least three files. The first file I call my template file. It
includes two other files. I goes something like this:

thePage.php:
-------------

session_start();
require("thePageProcess.php");
?>


......more lines down to where it gets specific to this page. This is the
general "look and feel".

......more trailing stuff to finish up.


------------

The thePageInclude.php file has the rest of the html stuff (and might have
some embedded pieces as well. All the submittal processing and the
iniitalization stuff is done in the thePageProcess.php file. This greatly
speeds up development of multiple pages for a site and having a common look
and feel. It also reduced the testing time for look and feel and
centralizes it for easier modification (less errors). I also like to break
down other areas with appropriate "require"s as needed. Specifically, I
like to put my constants and common functions in separate files so that I
need to change things in only one place.

I am currently studying aspx.net. I was surprised to learn that they do
exactly the same thing. The have what they call a master page file (my
thePage.php), a page file for specific page that has all the html kind of
stuff (my thePageInclude.php) and a code-behind file that handles all the
submittal stuff (my thePageProcess.php).

Proper organization and design at the beginning save a tremendous amount of
time later on.

Shelly

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

"panda31" wrote in message
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> But, since I have tried Send Studio, I admit that it is the best IDE
> I've worked with!

It should be - Zend calls themselves "The PHP Company" for a very good
reason.
Much of the PHP development was actually done by Zend.

Now, they've got this cool little utility called "Zend Core" to make sure
your production and development servers have all the software and
configurations they need to make sure apps work well.

If it wasn't for Zend - I'd still be stuck trying to develop MS stuff.

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

Use notepad++. It's great. Also dreamweaver is a great app for codin

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

abhisek wrote:
> Use notepad++. It's great. Also dreamweaver is a great app for codin
>
Dreamwaver is very good for 'artistic' layout of HTML, but its useless
when you have to put PHP in there,

FWIW I use Smultron on the Mac, and ConTEXT on the PC for writing code in.

Both are smart editors that use highlights and color to emphasise the
elements of the language they think you are writing in, and both are free.



On Linux there is always bloody EMACS, which persists, like Sendmail,
because it has always been there..and people get suckered into it..

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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> abhisek wrote:
>> Use notepad++. It's great. Also dreamweaver is a great app for codin
>>
> Dreamwaver is very good for 'artistic' layout of HTML, but its useless
> when you have to put PHP in there,
>
> FWIW I use Smultron on the Mac, and ConTEXT on the PC for writing code in.
>
> Both are smart editors that use highlights and color to emphasise the
> elements of the language they think you are writing in, and both are free.
>
> On Linux there is always bloody EMACS, which persists, like Sendmail,
> because it has always been there..and people get suckered into it..

Those are fine general purpose utilities, but they're really only useful to
folks who already are expert in their field.

For a beginner - or someone in transition :) - nothing beats having an
editor with "code-completion" - like Zend.
It's also great because it has context sensitive help.
This is especially true if you work alone, and can't just turn around and
tap an expert on the shoulder.

For example, I never remember the proper usage for all the mysql commands.
But by simply typing "mysql" a whole list of 'em pops up, and I can select
which one I want. Then, if I'm not sure how to USE the damn thing, I just
right click on the word I want to know about and select the go-to-help
option. My web browser pops up, goes to the help site, and automatically
gives me the full documentation on the command.

Come to think of it - that's even *better* than having to annoy an "expert"
with dumb questions.

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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> abhisek wrote:
>> Use notepad++. It's great. Also dreamweaver is a great app for codin
>>
> Dreamwaver is very good for 'artistic' layout of HTML, but its useless
> when you have to put PHP in there,
>
> FWIW I use Smultron on the Mac, and ConTEXT on the PC for writing code in.
>
> Both are smart editors that use highlights and color to emphasise the
> elements of the language they think you are writing in, and both are free.
>
>
>
> On Linux there is always bloody EMACS, which persists, like Sendmail,
> because it has always been there..and people get suckered into it..

Much be than vi !!!!

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

"Shelly" wrote in message
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>
> "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
> news:1190388311.7316.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
>> abhisek wrote:
>>> Use notepad++. It's great. Also dreamweaver is a great app for codin
>>>
>> Dreamwaver is very good for 'artistic' layout of HTML, but its useless
>> when you have to put PHP in there,
>>
>> FWIW I use Smultron on the Mac, and ConTEXT on the PC for writing code
>> in.
>>
>> Both are smart editors that use highlights and color to emphasise the
>> elements of the language they think you are writing in, and both are
>> free.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Linux there is always bloody EMACS, which persists, like Sendmail,
>> because it has always been there..and people get suckered into it..
>
> Much be than vi !!!!

sweet jesus! and do you notice what happens when you dare mention to a vi
professional when you suggest that, perhaps, it is antiquated as a
programming editor?

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

"Steve" wrote in message
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>
> "Shelly" wrote in message
> news:13f7plcf5rj3h38@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
>> news:1190388311.7316.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
>>> abhisek wrote:
>>>> Use notepad++. It's great. Also dreamweaver is a great app for codin
>>>>
>>> Dreamwaver is very good for 'artistic' layout of HTML, but its useless
>>> when you have to put PHP in there,
>>>
>>> FWIW I use Smultron on the Mac, and ConTEXT on the PC for writing code
>>> in.
>>>
>>> Both are smart editors that use highlights and color to emphasise the
>>> elements of the language they think you are writing in, and both are
>>> free.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Linux there is always bloody EMACS, which persists, like Sendmail,
>>> because it has always been there..and people get suckered into it..
>>
>> Much be than vi !!!!
>
> sweet jesus! and do you notice what happens when you dare mention to a vi
> professional when you suggest that, perhaps, it is antiquated as a
> programming editor?

I meant to say "Much better than vi !!!!" vi sucks!

What is this "sweet jesus!" coming from YOU?

Shelly

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

Shelly wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
> news:1190388311.7316.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
>> abhisek wrote:
>>> Use notepad++. It's great. Also dreamweaver is a great app for codin
>>>
>> Dreamwaver is very good for 'artistic' layout of HTML, but its useless
>> when you have to put PHP in there,
>>
>> FWIW I use Smultron on the Mac, and ConTEXT on the PC for writing code in.
>>
>> Both are smart editors that use highlights and color to emphasise the
>> elements of the language they think you are writing in, and both are free.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Linux there is always bloody EMACS, which persists, like Sendmail,
>> because it has always been there..and people get suckered into it..
>
> Much be than vi !!!!
>
>
as long as you don't edit linked system files with it...and end up with
the REAL file called sendmail.cf~ and another one called sendmail.cf in
the wrong directory which now has random replacements of newlines with
CR/LFs, tabs with spaces and lord knows what else, according to teh whim
of whoever set that particular EMACS up.
Spawn of the Devil, Emacs.

At least vi never does anything other that what you tell it to.

I have a theory that te MS WORD and its paperclip was invented by
someone who decided that anything Emacs could fuck up, Word would be
able to fuck up ten times more comprehensively with even less control by
the user..

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

"Shelly" wrote in message
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> "Steve" wrote in message
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>> "Shelly" wrote in message
>> news:13f7plcf5rj3h38@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
>>> news:1190388311.7316.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
>>>> abhisek wrote:
>>>>> Use notepad++. It's great. Also dreamweaver is a great app for codin
>>>>>
>>>> Dreamwaver is very good for 'artistic' layout of HTML, but its useless
>>>> when you have to put PHP in there,
>>>>
>>>> FWIW I use Smultron on the Mac, and ConTEXT on the PC for writing code
>>>> in.
>>>>
>>>> Both are smart editors that use highlights and color to emphasise the
>>>> elements of the language they think you are writing in, and both are
>>>> free.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Linux there is always bloody EMACS, which persists, like Sendmail,
>>>> because it has always been there..and people get suckered into it..
>>>
>>> Much be than vi !!!!
>>
>> sweet jesus! and do you notice what happens when you dare mention to a vi
>> professional when you suggest that, perhaps, it is antiquated as a
>> programming editor?
>
> I meant to say "Much better than vi !!!!" vi sucks!
>
> What is this "sweet jesus!" coming from YOU?

lol. i had to stop myself in the other thread from going, 'OMG'. just notice
all the spots where i just left it at 'wow'.

;^)

Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG editor for PHP + HTML

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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> I have a theory that te MS WORD and its paperclip was invented by someone
> who decided that anything Emacs could fuck up, Word would be able to fuck
> up ten times more comprehensively with even less control by the user..

You can call your theory a fact.
Microsoft's Word strategy was one of their first "embrace and extend"
programs.

The idea behind that strategy is that there's no need to just think out the
feature set when Da Community has already done so.