Leaving computers on after work?

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In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> Just change your browser setting to any public Tor
> entry server, and you are good to go.

And when the connection is found by the IT department in a network that
is not properly secured - they will be disciplined for company policy
violations. In the case of a properly secured company network your "just
change your settings... " would not work, as they would not be permitted
access to non-company approved websites.

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"Chilly8" wrote in message
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> "Leythos" wrote in message
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>> In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>>> Just change your browser setting to any public Tor
>>> entry server, and you are good to go.
>>
>> And when the connection is found by the IT department in a network that
>> is not properly secured - they will be disciplined for company policy
>> violations. In the case of a properly secured company network your "just
>> change your settings... " would not work, as they would not be permitted
>> access to non-company approved websites.
>
>
> Well, I will say this. We are covering the WTA Zurich tennis tournamant
> this week, and I am seeing connections from corporate networks all over
> Europe. I have 136 on my message board right now, and I would say
> about 90 percent of them are coming from corporate networks all over
> Europe.
>
> When doing sports and talk programming, there are other feeds I turn
> on, and between that, and the message boards, I am pulling about 9.6
> megabits transfer rate right now, and nearly allow it from corporate
> networks in Europe, and some users on corporate networks in the
> Eastern USA are conecting now, as the workday is just about to
> begin there. The number of people connecting from coroprate
> networks in Europe to various forms of our coverage right now,
> is staggering.
>
> As the workday begins for you there, someone could be tuned in
> to one of the various forms of our coverage, right now, and you
> might not spot it right away, if they are using the message forums.


I have a bloke from England in one of my chat rooms dedicated to
coverage who is using encrypted tunnel to his residential DSL
line on these new 25 megabit lines they have in England, and the
he is tunneling out from there to my server, and he this guy is
even BOASTING in my chat room right now that the boss
will NEVER catch him, and he may well be right, if he is
using strong enough encryption.

Re: Leaving computers on after work?

In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> Well, I will say this. We are covering the WTA Zurich tennis tournamant
> this week, and I am seeing connections from corporate networks all over
> Europe. I have 136 on my message board right now, and I would say
> about 90 percent of them are coming from corporate networks all over
> Europe.

Which proves my point - there are a lot of improperly secured networks,
and that's the only reason you are able to make a dime off your
unethical manner.

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In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> I have a bloke from England in one of my chat rooms dedicated to
> coverage who is using encrypted tunnel to his residential DSL
> line on these new 25 megabit lines they have in England, and the
> he is tunneling out from there to my server, and he this guy is
> even BOASTING in my chat room right now that the boss
> will NEVER catch him, and he may well be right, if he is
> using strong enough encryption.

Like you, there are a lot of DUMB people out there.

If his employer has a firewall that can provide real-time monitoring,
the tunnel is very easy to spot and will get the chap booted. Tunnels
are the easiest things to see/detect.

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In article <1192463519.586090.101340@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> My server is on a 100 meg pipe,
> but Windows starts to become unstable with a fraction of that load.

So, besides supporting unethical behavior you don't know how to setup
servers either.

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"Chilly8" wrote in message
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>> On Oct 15, 7:49 am, Leythos wrote:
>>> In article , chil...@hotmail.com says...
>>>
>>> > Well, I will say this. We are covering the WTA Zurich tennis
>>> > tournamant
>>> > this week, and I am seeing connections from corporate networks all
>>> > over
>>> > Europe. I have 136 on my message board right now, and I would say
>>> > about 90 percent of them are coming from corporate networks all over
>>> > Europe.
>>
>> And that was just for "small fry" in tennis. I am just wondering what
>> will happen when the Big Guns of tennis take the court later on this
>> week. WTA Zurich is the unofficial European championships of tennis,
>> and there European players in the top 10. Jenin, Jankovic, and
>
> And I was right. I have a 17.8 megabit load, nearly twice what I had
> yesterday, almost all of it coming from corporate networks all over
> Europe. And a 798K video feed we are offering as well, European
> corporate network admins will be wondering where all the bandwidth
> is going today.
>
> And for American admins, if you see a huge spike in bandwidth
> usage, that suddenly drops off about 2PM US Eastern time, that
> will have been people on your network watching our video feed of
> the WTA Zurich tennis tournament.


And the strains on coporate networks could go even higher, There
one match coming up with one of the top tennis players in Europe,
so that might slow down a a lot of coroprate networks in Europe
as people tune in to watch from work

Re: Leaving computers on after work?

Leythos wrote:
> In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>> I have a bloke from England in one of my chat rooms dedicated to
>> coverage who is using encrypted tunnel to his residential DSL
>> line on these new 25 megabit lines they have in England, and the
>> he is tunneling out from there to my server, and he this guy is
>> even BOASTING in my chat room right now that the boss
>> will NEVER catch him, and he may well be right, if he is
>> using strong enough encryption.
>
> Like you, there are a lot of DUMB people out there.
>
> If his employer has a firewall that can provide real-time monitoring,
> the tunnel is very easy to spot and will get the chap booted. Tunnels
> are the easiest things to see/detect.
>
mmm can you give me some pointers on how to detect tunnels
or encapsulated traffic (don't know if they are called tunnels as well)
but with
this i mean for instance icmp packets carrying application headers (eg:
http)

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chilly8@hotmail.com wrote:
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> On Oct 15, 7:49 am, Leythos wrote:
>> In article , chil...@hotmail.com says...
>>
>>> Well, I will say this. We are covering the WTA Zurich tennis tournamant
>>> this week, and I am seeing connections from corporate networks all over
>>> Europe. I have 136 on my message board right now, and I would say
>>> about 90 percent of them are coming from corporate networks all over
>>> Europe.
>
> And that was just for "small fry" in tennis. I am just wondering what
> will happen when the Big Guns of tennis take the court later on this
> week. WTA Zurich is the unofficial European championships of tennis,
> and there European players in the top 10. Jenin, Jankovic, and
> Sharapova are expected to take the court later on this week. And when
> the various P2P TV services also get into the picture, I think
> corporate network admins in Europe better stock up on their supply of
> headache pills, they are going to NEED them, it looks like. I can just
> imagine the strain on corporate networks all over Europe when these
> three young ladies take the court in Zurich later on this week.
>
wtf ... iirc WTA Zurich is not even a grand slam and in general
the big guns only go to these things to prepare for the grand slams
like wimbledon. And who the hell is Jenin if you mean henin than shame
on you
for mistyping the nr 1 female tennis player and co-belgian justin henin

> I saw enough hits on my public Tor entrance proxy, that it actually
> started spitting out all kinds of strange errors that I had to have my
> server reboot to solve the problem. My server is on a 100 meg pipe,
> but Windows starts to become unstable with a fraction of that load. A
> mere 183 people on my message board at once started to slow the server
> down. For machines running either vBulletin or phpBB BBS software,
> Windows starts to slow down when the user load gets up around 200.
> Figure Skating Universe, which uses vBulletin, starts to become very
> unstable at about 500 users and their server will actually crash when
> the user load gets up around 1,000 users. The trouble is that MySQL,
> which phpBB and vBulletin both need, is ONLY available for Windows
> machines. Also, Live 365, my primary stream connection, ONLY supports
> Windows machines, so I am stuck using Windoze on my server.
>

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chilly8@hotmail.com wrote:
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> On Oct 15, 7:49 am, Leythos wrote:
>> In article , chil...@hotmail.com says...
>>
>>> Well, I will say this. We are covering the WTA Zurich tennis tournamant
>>> this week, and I am seeing connections from corporate networks all over
>>> Europe. I have 136 on my message board right now, and I would say
>>> about 90 percent of them are coming from corporate networks all over
>>> Europe.
>
> And that was just for "small fry" in tennis. I am just wondering what
> will happen when the Big Guns of tennis take the court later on this
> week. WTA Zurich is the unofficial European championships of tennis,
> and there European players in the top 10. Jenin, Jankovic, and
> Sharapova are expected to take the court later on this week. And when
> the various P2P TV services also get into the picture, I think
> corporate network admins in Europe better stock up on their supply of
> headache pills, they are going to NEED them, it looks like. I can just
> imagine the strain on corporate networks all over Europe when these
> three young ladies take the court in Zurich later on this week.
>
> I saw enough hits on my public Tor entrance proxy, that it actually
> started spitting out all kinds of strange errors that I had to have my
> server reboot to solve the problem. My server is on a 100 meg pipe,
> but Windows starts to become unstable with a fraction of that load. A
> mere 183 people on my message board at once started to slow the server
> down. For machines running either vBulletin or phpBB BBS software,
> Windows starts to slow down when the user load gets up around 200.
> Figure Skating Universe, which uses vBulletin, starts to become very
> unstable at about 500 users and their server will actually crash when
> the user load gets up around 1,000 users. The trouble is that MySQL,

MySQL is a windows only program hahahahahahaa
fucking idiot it's an opensource SQL server, same goes for
phpBB.

if you were talking about MSSQL than yes Microsoft SQL server
is Windows only.

> which phpBB and vBulletin both need, is ONLY available for Windows
> machines. Also, Live 365, my primary stream connection, ONLY supports
> Windows machines, so I am stuck using Windoze on my server.
>

Re: Leaving computers on after work?

Leythos wrote:
> In article <1192463519.586090.101340@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>> My server is on a 100 meg pipe,
>> but Windows starts to become unstable with a fraction of that load.
>
> So, besides supporting unethical behavior you don't know how to setup
> servers either.
>

where was there any indication he did anything unethical?
i'm sure i just missed it but his broken english doesn't make it
easy to, nor does it give you the incentive to read his whole post

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In message <1192463519.586090.101340@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
chilly8@hotmail.com wrote:

>The trouble is that MySQL,
>which phpBB and vBulletin both need, is ONLY available for Windows
>machines.

Someone smack me, I've got to be dreaming, he can't be THAT dumb...

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In message <47154336$0$22313$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> goarilla <"kevin
DOT paulus AT skynet DOT be"> wrote:

>mmm can you give me some pointers on how to detect tunnels
>or encapsulated traffic (don't know if they are called tunnels as well)
>but with
>this i mean for instance icmp packets carrying application headers (eg:
>http)

I'd be worried about *any* machine emitting a large amount of ICMP
traffic, either the packet count or the overall bandwidth associated
with ICMP being too high would set off flags as being a likely
participant in a DDoS.

I might not catch 2MB of data, but then 2MB of data won't adversely
affect a corporate network either.

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In article <47154336$0$22313$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>, goarilla <"kevin
DOT paulus AT skynet DOT be"> says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> >> I have a bloke from England in one of my chat rooms dedicated to
> >> coverage who is using encrypted tunnel to his residential DSL
> >> line on these new 25 megabit lines they have in England, and the
> >> he is tunneling out from there to my server, and he this guy is
> >> even BOASTING in my chat room right now that the boss
> >> will NEVER catch him, and he may well be right, if he is
> >> using strong enough encryption.
> >
> > Like you, there are a lot of DUMB people out there.
> >
> > If his employer has a firewall that can provide real-time monitoring,
> > the tunnel is very easy to spot and will get the chap booted. Tunnels
> > are the easiest things to see/detect.
> >
> mmm can you give me some pointers on how to detect tunnels
> or encapsulated traffic (don't know if they are called tunnels as well)
> but with
> this i mean for instance icmp packets carrying application headers (eg:
> http)

Since the tunnel doesn't change IP's source/destination, it's easy
enough to find - just look for anything that maintains a connection.

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In message Leythos
wrote:

>> mmm can you give me some pointers on how to detect tunnels
>> or encapsulated traffic (don't know if they are called tunnels as well)
>> but with
>> this i mean for instance icmp packets carrying application headers (eg:
>> http)
>
>Since the tunnel doesn't change IP's source/destination, it's easy
>enough to find - just look for anything that maintains a connection.

Data tunneled through an ICMP connection doesn't "maintain" a connection
(nor does UDP, unless you understand the application layer protocol)

However, the spike of ICMP traffic itself would set of flags.

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DevilsPGD wrote:
> chilly8@hotmail.com wrote:
>> The trouble is that MySQL, which phpBB and vBulletin both need, is
>> ONLY available for Windows machines.
>
> Someone smack me, I've got to be dreaming, he can't be THAT dumb...

He is, so could you please stop feeding that idiot?

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On Oct 16, 4:06 pm, goarilla <"kevin DOT paulus AT skynet DOT be">
wrote:
> chil...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > On Oct 15, 7:49 am, Leythos wrote:
> >> In article , chil...@hotmail.com says...
>
> >>> Well, I will say this. We are covering the WTA Zurich tennis tournamant
> >>> this week, and I am seeing connections from corporate networks all over
> >>> Europe. I have 136 on my message board right now, and I would say
> >>> about 90 percent of them are coming from corporate networks all over
> >>> Europe.
>
> > And that was just for "small fry" in tennis. I am just wondering what
> > will happen when the Big Guns of tennis take the court later on this
> > week. WTA Zurich is the unofficial European championships of tennis,
> > and there European players in the top 10. Jenin, Jankovic, and
> > Sharapova are expected to take the court later on this week. And when
> > the various P2P TV services also get into the picture, I think
> > corporate network admins in Europe better stock up on their supply of
> > headache pills, they are going to NEED them, it looks like. I can just
> > imagine the strain on corporate networks all over Europe when these
> > three young ladies take the court in Zurich later on this week.
>
> wtf ... iirc WTA Zurich is not even a grand slam and in general
> the big guns only go to these things to prepare for the grand slams
> like wimbledon. And who the hell is Jenin if you mean henin than shame
> on you
> for mistyping the nr 1 female tennis player and co-belgian justin henin

Sorry about that, but I am the WORST proofreader there ever was.

Also, I have seen enough load on my server to slow it down. While I
have the bandwidth to handle the load, the server tends to slow down
if a lot of people come onto the message boards or chat rooms. Today,
it slowed the server enough where the connection to Live 365 dropped
off several times. The Live 365 broadcasting tool shows the CPU
efficiency in real time, and the CPU efficiency, at one point, had
dropped to 8.1 percent. There was quiite a load on my server this
morning, and coming almost entirely from corporate network addresses
in Europe.

Re: Leaving computers on after work?

Chilly8 wrote:

>I thought virtually any employer around would require you to turn your
>work PC off at the end of the day.

That isn't true in the case of networks that need the workstations
left on in order to perform maintenance on them after hours - patches,
updates, etc... Requiring that the users log off the network is
normally the case.

> I find that some of the Tor relay
>nodes are on corporate networks, and some employees have Tor
>relay nodes running on them all weekend.


Those networks either have very liberal policies in place or very poor
policy enforcement.

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In message <47168715.85220031@gynecology.msu.edu> Sharky
wrote:

>That isn't true in the case of networks that need the workstations
>left on in order to perform maintenance on them after hours - patches,
>updates, etc... Requiring that the users log off the network is
>normally the case.

AV scans, even defragmentation, backups, etc. also come to mind.

I don't think I've ever worked or consulted anywhere that had a request
to turn workstations off overnight.

I've seen various policies, 1) lock or logout, 2) logout, 3) reboot
(leaving the machine logged out), or 4) no policy at all.

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DevilsPGD wrote:

>In message <1192463519.586090.101340@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
>chilly8@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>The trouble is that MySQL,
>>which phpBB and vBulletin both need, is ONLY available for Windows
>>machines.
>
>Someone smack me, I've got to be dreaming, he can't be THAT dumb...

Alas, he is. Chilly8's previous posting history is full of
ignorant conjecture about information systems and data communication
technology.

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DevilsPGD wrote:

>In message <47168715.85220031@gynecology.msu.edu> Sharky
> wrote:
>
>>That isn't true in the case of networks that need the workstations
>>left on in order to perform maintenance on them after hours - patches,
>>updates, etc... Requiring that the users log off the network is
>>normally the case.
>
>AV scans, even defragmentation, backups, etc. also come to mind.
>
>I don't think I've ever worked or consulted anywhere that had a request
>to turn workstations off overnight.
>
>I've seen various policies, 1) lock or logout, 2) logout, 3) reboot
>(leaving the machine logged out), or 4) no policy at all.

Yep, a good network security environment will set network access times
for users and enforce it through network server policy.

Re: Leaving computers on after work?

In message <47199435.88581078@gynecology.msu.edu> Sharky
wrote:

>Yep, a good network security environment will set network access times
>for users and enforce it through network server policy.

I'm not sure I'd go that far, if I was working on something and my
machine logged itself off, that work would be discarded and lost
forever, until the customer called back.

The customer would then get forwarded to the VP to explain the
situation, and that network policy would no longer exist the next night.

However, that depends on the type of network and type of user base.

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Re: Leaving computers on after work?

DevilsPGD wrote:

>In message <47199435.88581078@gynecology.msu.edu> Sharky
> wrote:
>
>>Yep, a good network security environment will set network access times
>>for users and enforce it through network server policy.
>
>I'm not sure I'd go that far, if I was working on something and my
>machine logged itself off, that work would be discarded and lost
>forever, until the customer called back.
>
>The customer would then get forwarded to the VP to explain the
>situation, and that network policy would no longer exist the next night.
>
>However, that depends on the type of network and type of user base.

There needs to be an understanding of what times are acceptable for
users to be logged into a network. If you're dealing with say a
remote sales force, that may need access to the network for 18 hours a
day, then you set their access times appropriately. A worker that has
no remote access and can only be on premisses between 8am and 5pm
would have their network access privileges set accordingly. The real
problem with setting such policies is sticking to them and not
allowing users to gain more access than they need. Granted it is not
necessarily needed in an organization that has few information systems
assets that need protection, but if security is paramount then it's
certainly a useful precaution.