I am not the only one......

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Re: I am not the only one......

In article <1193324791.955283.102290@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> I am only the only one out there that advocates listening to radio,
> either online or over the air, in defiance of the boss.

You are the only person I know that Advocates VIOLATING COMPANY POLICY -
and that makes you dishonorable and unethical.


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Re: I am not the only one......

chilly8@hotmail.com wrote:
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> I am only the only one out there that advocates listening to radio,
> either online or over the air, in defiance of the boss. I was driving
> today through the eastern USA, tuning through the local stations, and
> I actually heard one radio station advocate listening to their online
> simulcast, in defiance of one's boss. And one DJ even said to use a
> proxy server to cover your tracks. There is nothing in the FCC regs.
> that prohibit a station from advocating listening from work in
> defiance of the boss or giving info on how to do it. So neither the
> station, nor the DJ, were violating any laws broadcasting such
> information, as there is no FCC rule against it.
>
> And he's not the first over-the-air personality I have hears advocate
> that. Some years ago on the West Coast, there was one sports
> personality working two jobs. One of them was his sports talk show in
> the evening, the other was an office job during the day. This
> personality some years ago advocated using open proxies, becuase he
> was doing this from his other job, to look at sports websites and get
> ready for what he was going to talk about on his radio job that night,
> and he once boasted that the boss as his OTHER job would NEVER catch
> him, becuase he was tunnelling out to his cable modem connection, on
> what was then known as @Home, to get to the sites he needed to access
> to get ready to go on the air that evening. He boasted some years ago
> that by using an encrypted tunnel, the boss at his day job would NEVER
> know what he was up to becuase the traffic outbound to his @Home cable
> modem service was encrypted, and, therefore, could not be interecepted
> by the network admins at his day job, and they would never know he was
> looking at sports sites, in defiance of company filtering policy.
>
> IN short, there are others out there that advocate listening from work
> in defiance of the boss. I am not the first, and will likely not be
> the last.
>
you do know that if you sign a workcontract you agree with the company
policy
and if you do this ... you breach contract and thus are a target for
judicial punishment. and if you are a USA citizen that's usually very costly

Re: I am not the only one......

goarilla wrote:

> chilly8@hotmail.com wrote:
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>> I am only the only one out there that advocates listening to radio,
>> either online or over the air, in defiance of the boss. I was driving
>> today through the eastern USA, tuning through the local stations, and
>> I actually heard one radio station advocate listening to their online
>> simulcast, in defiance of one's boss. And one DJ even said to use a
>> proxy server to cover your tracks. There is nothing in the FCC regs.
>> that prohibit a station from advocating listening from work in
>> defiance of the boss or giving info on how to do it. So neither the
>> station, nor the DJ, were violating any laws broadcasting such
>> information, as there is no FCC rule against it.
>>
>> And he's not the first over-the-air personality I have hears advocate
>> that. Some years ago on the West Coast, there was one sports
>> personality working two jobs. One of them was his sports talk show in
>> the evening, the other was an office job during the day. This
>> personality some years ago advocated using open proxies, becuase he
>> was doing this from his other job, to look at sports websites and get
>> ready for what he was going to talk about on his radio job that night,
>> and he once boasted that the boss as his OTHER job would NEVER catch
>> him, becuase he was tunnelling out to his cable modem connection, on
>> what was then known as @Home, to get to the sites he needed to access
>> to get ready to go on the air that evening. He boasted some years ago
>> that by using an encrypted tunnel, the boss at his day job would NEVER
>> know what he was up to becuase the traffic outbound to his @Home cable
>> modem service was encrypted, and, therefore, could not be interecepted
>> by the network admins at his day job, and they would never know he was
>> looking at sports sites, in defiance of company filtering policy.
>>
>> IN short, there are others out there that advocate listening from work
>> in defiance of the boss. I am not the first, and will likely not be
>> the last.
>>
> you do know that if you sign a workcontract you agree with the company
> policy and if you do this ... you breach contract and thus are a target for
> judicial punishment. and if you are a USA citizen that's usually very costly


At least in Germany the work contract doesn't even need to explicitly cover
this. For slight violate of the implicit trust agreement to do your work
properly you receive a warning, and the next time you get busted you're
fired. For strong violations the warning can be omitted.

Just in recent case at a building company the computer of a worker was found
to contain a lot of pornography. But not just that, he used paid overtime to
do the work that should have done in his normal time. He never got any
explicit introduction to the computer, and neither any policy regarding
computer usage. And Germany in quite lax in that way, it is commonly agreed
that unless it has been explicitly forbidden, a small amount of time on the
net for purely personal stuff has to be tolerated.
Now what he did was strong violating the trust, and thus his firing without
any warning was judged as legal.

Re: I am not the only one......

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> I am only the only one out there that advocates listening to radio,
> either online or over the air, in defiance of the boss. I was driving

There are many people in this world who advocate breaking the law or
violating company policy. That does not excuse the act itself, or advocating
the act.
If you violate company policy, you deserve to be fired. If you steal from
the till, that is still stelaing even if somebody advocates it, and even if
you can not be detected. If you waste your time when you should be working,
that is stealing, in a different form. If you prepare for job #2 on hours
you are paid for job #1, that is stealing.

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> IN short, there are others out there that advocate listening from work
> in defiance of the boss. I am not the first, and will likely not be
> the last.
>
There will always be dishonest people in the world. None of them would last
a week working for me. I don't need policies and filtering to make dishonest
people less dishonest. I simple know what my employees are doing hour to
hour, and I know how much work to expect of them in a shift. If they exceed
expectations, they can have time to play.( I prefer they go home early to be
with their families rather than do something at work which they won't/can't
do at home) If they play first and don't produce, I would know very quickly
and they would be gone.

On the matter of firing for cause, minor violations require 2 warnings, and
firing on the 3rd offence. Major items allow for instant dismissal.

Doesn't matter if you can do it undetected, it is still wrong.

Stuart