Session or browser problem??

Hi all,

I have a news website tat is developed on joomla 1.5.Login facility is
done thru a login component.On each page,ther s a 'Log In' link that
redirects them to a login page.On successful login,user details are
set in session as well as cookies and then redirected back to d
referring page.The 'Log In' section changes to 'Welcome user',along
wid a 'Log Out' link.All this works d same in IE 6 as well as in FF
2.The difference comes durin log out action.

In FF,on clickin 'Log Out',the required session vars are set '' as
well as cookies in d component and then redirected back to referring
page.The login bar changes back to 'Log in'.But in IE,once redirected
from the component,the page still shows the login bar as 'Welcome
user'.Only if i manually click the refresh button (of IE), the page
gets refreshed and the login bar shows logged out status.

Any help wud be highly appreciated...

Re: Session or browser problem??

sw@bglore wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a news website tat is developed on joomla 1.5.Login facility is
> done thru a login component.On each page,ther s a 'Log In' link that
> redirects them to a login page.On successful login,user details are
> set in session as well as cookies and then redirected back to d
> referring page.The 'Log In' section changes to 'Welcome user',along
> wid a 'Log Out' link.All this works d same in IE 6 as well as in FF
> 2.The difference comes durin log out action.
>
> In FF,on clickin 'Log Out',the required session vars are set '' as
> well as cookies in d component and then redirected back to referring
> page.The login bar changes back to 'Log in'.But in IE,once redirected
> from the component,the page still shows the login bar as 'Welcome
> user'.Only if i manually click the refresh button (of IE), the page
> gets refreshed and the login bar shows logged out status.
>
> Any help wud be highly appreciated...
>
>

And your PHP programming question is?

Try the Joomla support groups.

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Re: Session or browser problem??

Hi,

Try using session_cache_limiter('nocache') before session_start. This
will tell the browser not to cache the page.

Regards,
John Peters

On Oct 28, 5:21 am, "sw@bglore" wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a news website tat is developed on joomla 1.5.Login facility is
> done thru a login component.On each page,ther s a 'Log In' link that
> redirects them to a login page.On successful login,user details are
> set in session as well as cookies and then redirected back to d
> referring page.The 'Log In' section changes to 'Welcome user',along
> wid a 'Log Out' link.All this works d same in IE 6 as well as in FF
> 2.The difference comes durin log out action.
>
> In FF,on clickin 'Log Out',the required session vars are set '' as
> well as cookies in d component and then redirected back to referring
> page.The login bar changes back to 'Log in'.But in IE,once redirected
> from the component,the page still shows the login bar as 'Welcome
> user'.Only if i manually click the refresh button (of IE), the page
> gets refreshed and the login bar shows logged out status.
>
> Any help wud be highly appreciated...

Re: Session or browser problem??

Thanks 4 d help..but tat dint help.
I found tis particulr code in the application wher d sessions wher
restartd.


session_cache_limiter('none');
session_start();

// Send modified header for IE 6.0 Security Policy
header('P3P: CP="NOI ADM DEV PSAi COM NAV OUR OTRo STP IND DEM"');

I tried commentin out d header..but dint help.I wud like to know
whethr the abov header s correct.

Re: Session or browser problem??

petersprc wrote:
> On Oct 28, 5:21 am, "sw@bglore" wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a news website tat is developed on joomla 1.5.Login facility is
>> done thru a login component.On each page,ther s a 'Log In' link that
>> redirects them to a login page.On successful login,user details are
>> set in session as well as cookies and then redirected back to d
>> referring page.The 'Log In' section changes to 'Welcome user',along
>> wid a 'Log Out' link.All this works d same in IE 6 as well as in FF
>> 2.The difference comes durin log out action.
>>
>> In FF,on clickin 'Log Out',the required session vars are set '' as
>> well as cookies in d component and then redirected back to referring
>> page.The login bar changes back to 'Log in'.But in IE,once redirected
>> from the component,the page still shows the login bar as 'Welcome
>> user'.Only if i manually click the refresh button (of IE), the page
>> gets refreshed and the login bar shows logged out status.
>>
>> Any help wud be highly appreciated...
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Try using session_cache_limiter('nocache') before session_start. This
> will tell the browser not to cache the page.
>
> Regards,
> John Peters
>

(Top posting fixed)

Which the browser can ignore, unfortunately. And even if the browser
doesn't ignore the cache, any of the systems between the client and the
server could cache it.

How I wish it did work properly.

P.S. Please don't top post.

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Re: Session or browser problem??

Try using 'nocache' instead of 'none'. This will set the Cache-
Control, Expires, and Pragma headers as below. The 'none' value won't
define any additional cache headers.

Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT
Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, post-check=0,
pre-check=0
Pragma: no-cache

On Oct 29, 5:29 am, "sw@bglore" wrote:
> Thanks 4 d help..but tat dint help.
> I found tis particulr code in the application wher d sessions wher
> restartd.
>
> session_cache_limiter('none');
> session_start();
>
> // Send modified header for IE 6.0 Security Policy
> header('P3P: CP="NOI ADM DEV PSAi COM NAV OUR OTRo STP IND DEM"');
>
> I tried commentin out d header..but dint help.I wud like to know
> whethr the abov header s correct.

Re: Session or browser problem??

On Oct 29, 9:58 pm, petersprc wrote:
> Try using 'nocache' instead of 'none'. This will set the Cache-
> Control, Expires, and Pragma headers as below. The 'none' value won't
> define any additional cache headers.
>
> Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT
> Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, post-check=0,
> pre-check=0
> Pragma: no-cache
>
> On Oct 29, 5:29 am, "sw@bglore" wrote:
>
> > Thanks 4 d help..but tat dint help.
> > I found tis particulr code in the application wher d sessions wher
> > restartd.
>
> > session_cache_limiter('none');
> > session_start();
>
> > // Send modified header for IE 6.0 Security Policy
> > header('P3P: CP="NOI ADM DEV PSAi COM NAV OUR OTRo STP IND DEM"');
>
> > I tried commentin out d header..but dint help.I wud like to know
> > whethr the abov header s correct.

I am not kind of sure as to whethr it is a cache problem.Because wen a
user clicks on 'Log In',he s redirected to login page.If he has
successfully logged in,requird sessions 'n cookies r set and then
redirected back to referring page.At this point,the referrin page
shows the correct user name from session/cookie.
Wen clickin 'Log Out',the control goes to login function,sessions 'n
cookies r reset and then redirectd back to referrin page.At this
point,the referrin page still shows the username 'n not d logged out
status.Y does d cache comes in2 picture durin log out action 'n not
durin login action?

Re: Session or browser problem??

The login request is submitting a form.

On Oct 30, 12:41 am, "sw@bglore" wrote:
> On Oct 29, 9:58 pm, petersprc wrote:
>
>
>
> > Try using 'nocache' instead of 'none'. This will set the Cache-
> > Control, Expires, and Pragma headers as below. The 'none' value won't
> > define any additional cache headers.
>
> > Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT
> > Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, post-check=0,
> > pre-check=0
> > Pragma: no-cache
>
> > On Oct 29, 5:29 am, "sw@bglore" wrote:
>
> > > Thanks 4 d help..but tat dint help.
> > > I found tis particulr code in the application wher d sessions wher
> > > restartd.
>
> > > session_cache_limiter('none');
> > > session_start();
>
> > > // Send modified header for IE 6.0 Security Policy
> > > header('P3P: CP="NOI ADM DEV PSAi COM NAV OUR OTRo STP IND DEM"');
>
> > > I tried commentin out d header..but dint help.I wud like to know
> > > whethr the abov header s correct.
>
> I am not kind of sure as to whethr it is a cache problem.Because wen a
> user clicks on 'Log In',he s redirected to login page.If he has
> successfully logged in,requird sessions 'n cookies r set and then
> redirected back to referring page.At this point,the referrin page
> shows the correct user name from session/cookie.
> Wen clickin 'Log Out',the control goes to login function,sessions 'n
> cookies r reset and then redirectd back to referrin page.At this
> point,the referrin page still shows the username 'n not d logged out
> status.Y does d cache comes in2 picture durin log out action 'n not
> durin login action?

Re: Session or browser problem??

This combination of headers will be honored by most hosts/proxies. In
a situation where it's not, you can try using URL-based sessions or
putting your site under https.

On Oct 29, 6:24 am, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> petersprc wrote:
> > On Oct 28, 5:21 am, "sw@bglore" wrote:
> >> Hi all,
>
> >> I have a news website tat is developed on joomla 1.5.Login facility is
> >> done thru a login component.On each page,ther s a 'Log In' link that
> >> redirects them to a login page.On successful login,user details are
> >> set in session as well as cookies and then redirected back to d
> >> referring page.The 'Log In' section changes to 'Welcome user',along
> >> wid a 'Log Out' link.All this works d same in IE 6 as well as in FF
> >> 2.The difference comes durin log out action.
>
> >> In FF,on clickin 'Log Out',the required session vars are set '' as
> >> well as cookies in d component and then redirected back to referring
> >> page.The login bar changes back to 'Log in'.But in IE,once redirected
> >> from the component,the page still shows the login bar as 'Welcome
> >> user'.Only if i manually click the refresh button (of IE), the page
> >> gets refreshed and the login bar shows logged out status.
>
> >> Any help wud be highly appreciated...
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Try using session_cache_limiter('nocache') before session_start. This
> > will tell the browser not to cache the page.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Peters
> >
>
> (Top posting fixed)
>
> Which the browser can ignore, unfortunately. And even if the browser
> doesn't ignore the cache, any of the systems between the client and the
> server could cache it.
>
> How I wish it did work properly.
>
> P.S. Please don't top post.
>
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Re: Session or browser problem??

petersprc wrote:
> On Oct 29, 6:24 am, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> petersprc wrote:
>> >
>> > Try using session_cache_limiter('nocache') before session_start. This
>> > will tell the browser not to cache the page.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > John Peters
>> >
>>
>> (Top posting fixed)
>>
>> Which the browser can ignore, unfortunately. And even if the browser
>> doesn't ignore the cache, any of the systems between the client and the
>> server could cache it.
>>
>> How I wish it did work properly.
>>
>> P.S. Please don't top post.
>>
> This combination of headers will be honored by most hosts/proxies. In
> a situation where it's not, you can try using URL-based sessions or
> putting your site under https.
>

(Top posting fixed - again).

Not necessarily. Some do, some don't. And in some cases it depends on
the browser settings. The same is true with https:.

But this should be discussed in alt.html - this is not a PHP problem.

And again - please don't top post. This group uses bottom posting or
interwoven posting.

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Re: Session or browser problem??

There are no clients in widespread use that behave the way you
describe. This is an http issue, not html.

On Oct 30, 8:32 am, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> petersprc wrote:
> > On Oct 29, 6:24 am, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> >> petersprc wrote:
>
> >> > Try using session_cache_limiter('nocache') before session_start. This
> >> > will tell the browser not to cache the page.
>
> >> > Regards,
> >> > John Peters
>
> >> (Top posting fixed)
>
> >> Which the browser can ignore, unfortunately. And even if the browser
> >> doesn't ignore the cache, any of the systems between the client and the
> >> server could cache it.
>
> >> How I wish it did work properly.
>
> >> P.S. Please don't top post.
>
> > This combination of headers will be honored by most hosts/proxies. In
> > a situation where it's not, you can try using URL-based sessions or
> > putting your site under https.
> >
>
> (Top posting fixed - again).
>
> Not necessarily. Some do, some don't. And in some cases it depends on
> the browser settings. The same is true with https:.
>
> But this should be discussed in alt.html - this is not a PHP problem.
>
> And again - please don't top post. This group uses bottom posting or
> interwoven posting.
>
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Re: Session or browser problem??

petersprc wrote:
> On Oct 30, 8:32 am, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> petersprc wrote:
>>> On Oct 29, 6:24 am, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> petersprc wrote:
>>>> > Try using session_cache_limiter('nocache') before session_start. This
>>>> > will tell the browser not to cache the page.
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > John Peters
>>>> (Top posting fixed)
>>>> Which the browser can ignore, unfortunately. And even if the browser
>>>> doesn't ignore the cache, any of the systems between the client and the
>>>> server could cache it.
>>>> How I wish it did work properly.
>>>> P.S. Please don't top post.
>> > This combination of headers will be honored by most hosts/proxies. In
>> > a situation where it's not, you can try using URL-based sessions or
>> > putting your site under https.
>> >
>>
>> (Top posting fixed - again).
>>
>> Not necessarily. Some do, some don't. And in some cases it depends on
>> the browser settings. The same is true with https:.
>>
>> But this should be discussed in alt.html - this is not a PHP problem.
>>
>> And again - please don't top post. This group uses bottom posting or
>> interwoven posting.
>>
> There are no clients in widespread use that behave the way you
> describe. This is an http issue, not html.
>

From someone who can't learn not to top post.

You're right, http is involved. But the nocache command is an html tag
and governs how the browser and hosts operate.

And you really should learn about clients and hosts.

A. Maybe because they're too lazy to go to the end of the message before
posting.
Q. So why do they do it?
A. Because it upsets the flow of the conversation
Q. Why is top posting bad?
A. People who top post.
Q. Who are the most annoying people on usenet?


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Re: Session or browser problem??

This is incorrect. The no-cache keyword is an http directive not an
html tag. See the spec:

http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14 .9.1
http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/1.0/spec.html#Pragma

You may be thinking of the meta tag which can be used to accomplish
roughly the same thing but is not as reliable.

> You're right, http is involved. But the nocache command is an html tag
> and governs how the browser and hosts operate.
>
> And you really should learn about clients and hosts.
>
> A. Maybe because they're too lazy to go to the end of the message before
> posting.
> Q. So why do they do it?
> A. Because it upsets the flow of the conversation
> Q. Why is top posting bad?
> A. People who top post.
> Q. Who are the most annoying people on usenet?
>
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Re: Session or browser problem??

petersprc wrote:
>> You're right, http is involved. But the nocache command is an html tag
>> and governs how the browser and hosts operate.
>>
>> And you really should learn about clients and hosts.
>>
>> A. Maybe because they're too lazy to go to the end of the message before
>> posting.
>> Q. So why do they do it?
>> A. Because it upsets the flow of the conversation
>> Q. Why is top posting bad?
>> A. People who top post.
>> Q. Who are the most annoying people on usenet?
>>
> This is incorrect. The no-cache keyword is an http directive not an
> html tag. See the spec:
>
> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14 .9.1
> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/1.0/spec.html#Pragma
>
> You may be thinking of the meta tag which can be used to accomplish
> roughly the same thing but is not as reliable.
>


If you can't learn not to top post, I'm not going to discuss this with
you any further.

As I said before. The standard for this newsgroup is bottom or
interwoven posting. You will get few people to talk to you here if you
continue to top post.

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Re: Session or browser problem??

there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's a
matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic. this has
nothing to do with the OP's question.

--Jackie S

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote
> As I said before. The standard for this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven
> posting. You will get few people to talk to you here if you continue to
> top post.

Re: Session or browser problem??

On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com> Jackie Silva
wrote:

>there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
>understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's a
>matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic. this
>has nothing to do with the OP's question.

It would be more accurate to say that relative newcomers are unaware of
the conventions, or the reasons for them.

Try a Google for 'netiquette'.


>--Jackie S

There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet that
either.

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Re: Session or browser problem??

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:55:43 +0100, Jackie Silva
wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote
>> As I said before. The standard for this newsgroup is bottom or
>> interwoven
>> posting. You will get few people to talk to you here if you continue to
>> top post.
> there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
> understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's a
> matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic. this
> has
> nothing to do with the OP's question.

Argument has been done over and over again. Do you use OE Quotefix? If
not: install that thingy, it will whip MSOE in shape, acting more like a
standard newsreader, and a lot will become clear.
--
Rik Wasmus

Re: Session or browser problem??

Jackie Silva wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote
>> As I said before. The standard for this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven
>> posting. You will get few people to talk to you here if you continue to
>> top post.
>
>
>
> there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
> understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's a
> matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic.
this has
> nothing to do with the OP's question.
>
> --Jackie S
>

(Top posting fixed)

Yes, there is, and you have to look at each newsgroup. The standard in
this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven posting.

It's a matter of *group* preference, not *individual* preference.

But continue top posting - you won't get a lot of response.

And your comment added absolutely nothing to the conversation - except
to show you don't understand what you're doing.

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Re: Session or browser problem??

On Oct 31, 2:17 pm, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Jackie Silva wrote:
> > "Jerry Stuckle" wrote
> >> As I said before. The standard for this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven
> >> posting. You will get few people to talk to you here if you continue to
> >> top post.
>
> > there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
> > understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's a
> > matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic.
> this has
> > nothing to do with the OP's question.
> >
> > --Jackie S
> >
>
> (Top posting fixed)
>
> Yes, there is, and you have to look at each newsgroup. The standard in
> this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven posting.
>
> It's a matter of *group* preference, not *individual* preference.
>
> But continue top posting - you won't get a lot of response.
>
> And your comment added absolutely nothing to the conversation - except
> to show you don't understand what you're doing.
>
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I think tat my problem has gone way out of d picture here.

Anyways, somehow got the problem solved just by including few lines of
code at the point of logout.The IE browser was always takin the copy
of d referrin page frm the cache after logout and not frm the
server.Hence,to bypass d cache,i always appended a parameter to the
referring URL tat has a random values.Tis tuk care tat the browser
always sends a new request to the server for the referring page and ll
display the logged out status.

References : http://www.rgagnon.com/jsdetails/js-0014.html
http://www.crackajax.net/cachebust.php

Re: Session or browser problem??

there are multiple posting conventions used on usenet. read up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style

your arguments against one posting style are based on the original techical
limitations of usenet.

"Jeff Gaines" wrote in message
news:xn0fd3igc2joqxj000@news.individual.net...
> On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com> Jackie Silva
> wrote:
>
>>there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
>>understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's a
>>matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic. this
>>has nothing to do with the OP's question.
>
> It would be more accurate to say that relative newcomers are unaware of
> the conventions, or the reasons for them.
>
> Try a Google for 'netiquette'.
>
>
>>--Jackie S
>
> There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet that
> either.
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
> This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it

Re: Session or browser problem??

"Rik Wasmus" wrote
> Argument has been done over and over again.

true, it is a favorite flamewar topic. like emacs vs. vi, or 2 spaces vs. 4
spaces indentation.

Re: Session or browser problem??

you mis-quoted me in your response! a professional editor would cry at the
amateurish way you cut-and-paste quotes together.

there are plenty of posters who use top style in this ng. do you really
think you can convince anyone to use your personal preference, especially
when you can't even quote properly yourself?

--Jackie S

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote
> Yes, there is, and you have to look at each newsgroup. The standard in
> this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven posting.

Re: Session or browser problem??

On 31 Oct, 15:56, "Jackie Silva" wrote:
> there are plenty of posters who use top style in this ng.
No there are only a few others as ignorant as you who do his. The vast
majority of posters here are sensible.

Re: Session or browser problem??

Greetings, Jackie Silva.
In reply to Your message dated Wednesday, October 31, 2007, 18:48:30,

> there are multiple posting conventions used on usenet. read up:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style

> your arguments against one posting style are based on the original techical
> limitations of usenet.

Please don't top-post.
It is hard to read and understand.
Period.


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Re: Session or browser problem??

what kind of reading problems are you having?

"AnrDaemon" wrote
> Please don't top-post.
> It is hard to read and understand.
> Period.

Re: Session or browser problem??

you misspelled "this" and should have a comma after "No". do you spell check
your posts?

"Captain Paralytic" wrote
> No there are only a few others as ignorant as you who do his. The vast
> majority of posters here are sensible.

Re: Session or browser problem??

Jackie Silva wrote:
> "Jeff Gaines" wrote in message
> news:xn0fd3igc2joqxj000@news.individual.net...
>> On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com> Jackie Silva
>> wrote:
>>
>>> there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
>>> understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's a
>>> matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic. this
>>> has nothing to do with the OP's question.
>> It would be more accurate to say that relative newcomers are unaware of
>> the conventions, or the reasons for them.
>>
>> Try a Google for 'netiquette'.
>>
>>
>>> --Jackie S
>> There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet that
>> either.
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
>> This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it
>
>
>
> there are multiple posting conventions used on usenet. read up:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>
> your arguments against one posting style are based on the original
techical
> limitations of usenet.
>

(Top posting fixed)

No, my arguments are based on the STANDARDS OF THIS GROUP.

And idiots who refuse to follow standards don't get many responses in
this group.

Your arguments for top posting are based on being too lazy to scroll to
the bottom of the page before you start posting.

A. Because they're arrogant jerks.
Q. Why do they continue doing it?
A. Because it upsets the normal flow of the conversation.
Q. Why is top posting bad?
A. People who top post.
Q. Why are the most annoying people on usenet?


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Re: Session or browser problem??

Jackie Silva wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote
>> Yes, there is, and you have to look at each newsgroup. The standard in
>> this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven posting.
>
>
>

> you mis-quoted me in your response! a professional editor would cry
at the
> amateurish way you cut-and-paste quotes together.
>
> there are plenty of posters who use top style in this ng. do you really
> think you can convince anyone to use your personal preference,
especially
> when you can't even quote properly yourself?
>
> --Jackie S
>

Read again. There are very few top posters in this newsgroup. Most
people follow the newsgroup standards.

Right now we have two. And guess who's one of them?
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Re: Session or browser problem??

Captain Paralytic wrote:
> On 31 Oct, 15:56, "Jackie Silva" wrote:
>> there are plenty of posters who use top style in this ng.
> No there are only a few others as ignorant as you who do his. The vast
> majority of posters here are sensible.
>
>

Paul, I have now come to the conclusion he's a troll.

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Re: Session or browser problem??

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:09:26 +0100, Jeff Gaines
wrote:

> On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com> Jackie
> Silva wrote:
>
>> there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
>> understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's a
>> matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic. this
>> has nothing to do with the OP's question.
>
> It would be more accurate to say that relative newcomers are unaware of
> the conventions, or the reasons for them.
>
> Try a Google for 'netiquette'.
>
>
>> --Jackie S
>
> There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet that
> either.

Actually, by the grace of his broken sig seperator I can still easily
quote his quotes. If it wouldn't be for that I'd have to jump through some
hoops, as his whole quote qould be considered one big signature :)
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Re: Session or browser problem??

Top posting is preferable in many instances. However, the top posting vs. bottom posting debate is as old as Usenet itself and to this day continues to incite religious wars with each side claiming ultimate supremacy. A better question is why is this debate taking place in a php group?

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Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com> Jackie Silva
> wrote:
>
>>there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
>>understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's a
>>matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic. this
>>has nothing to do with the OP's question.
>
> It would be more accurate to say that relative newcomers are unaware of
> the conventions, or the reasons for them.
>
> Try a Google for 'netiquette'.
>
>
>>--Jackie S
>
> There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet that
> either.
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

why do you insist on misquoting people when you respond?

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
news:apKdndXjGeYPKbXanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Jackie Silva wrote:
>> "Jeff Gaines" wrote in message
>> news:xn0fd3igc2joqxj000@news.individual.net...
>>> On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com> Jackie
>>> Silva wrote:
>>>
>>>> there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
>>>> understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's a
>>>> matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic. this
>>>> has nothing to do with the OP's question.
>>> It would be more accurate to say that relative newcomers are unaware of
>>> the conventions, or the reasons for them.
>>>
>>> Try a Google for 'netiquette'.
>>>
>>>
>>>> --Jackie S
>>> There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet that
>>> either.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
>>> This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it
>>
>>
>> there are multiple posting conventions used on usenet. read up:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
> >
> > your arguments against one posting style are based on the original
> techical
> > limitations of usenet.
> >
>
> (Top posting fixed)
>
> No, my arguments are based on the STANDARDS OF THIS GROUP.
>
> And idiots who refuse to follow standards don't get many responses in this
> group.
>
> Your arguments for top posting are based on being too lazy to scroll to
> the bottom of the page before you start posting.
>
> A. Because they're arrogant jerks.
> Q. Why do they continue doing it?
> A. Because it upsets the normal flow of the conversation.
> Q. Why is top posting bad?
> A. People who top post.
> Q. Why are the most annoying people on usenet?
>
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstucklex@attglobal.net
> ==================
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

try a quick google for stuckle, you might find it interesting.

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
news:apKdndfjGeZ1KbXanZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@comcast.com...
> Captain Paralytic wrote:
>> On 31 Oct, 15:56, "Jackie Silva" wrote:
>>> there are plenty of posters who use top style in this ng.
>> No there are only a few others as ignorant as you who do his. The vast
>> majority of posters here are sensible.
>>
>>
>
> Paul, I have now come to the conclusion he's a troll.
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstucklex@attglobal.net
> ==================
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

Rik Wasmus wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:09:26 +0100, Jeff Gaines
> wrote:
>
>> On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com> Jackie
>> Silva wrote:
>>> --Jackie S
>>
>> There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet that
>> either.
>
> Actually, by the grace of his broken sig seperator I can still easily
> quote his quotes. If it wouldn't be for that I'd have to jump through
> some hoops, as his whole quote qould be considered one big signature
> :)

Rik, I tried doing the "right" sig for a while but it didn't do work. I'll
do it now and tell me if it works.

--
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Re: Session or browser problem??

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:33:08 +0100, Shelly
wrote:
> Rik Wasmus wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:09:26 +0100, Jeff Gaines
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com> Jackie
>>> Silva wrote:
>>>> --Jackie S
>>>
>>> There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet that
>>> either.
>>
>> Actually, by the grace of his broken sig seperator I can still easily
>> quote his quotes. If it wouldn't be for that I'd have to jump through
>> some hoops, as his whole quote qould be considered one big signature
>> :)
>
> Rik, I tried doing the "right" sig for a while but it didn't do work.
> I'll
> do it now and tell me if it works.

Works perfectly, at least in Opera, dash-dash-space-newline in the source,
so a decent reader should recognize it without any trouble.
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Re: Session or browser problem??

Actually, some popular newsreaders will hide the quotes in certain cases.

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Rik Wasmus wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:55:43 +0100, Jackie Silva
> wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote
>>> As I said before. The standard for this newsgroup is bottom or
>>> interwoven
>>> posting. You will get few people to talk to you here if you continue to
>>> top post.
>> there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
>> understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's a
>> matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic. this
>> has
>> nothing to do with the OP's question.
>
> Argument has been done over and over again. Do you use OE Quotefix? If
> not: install that thingy, it will whip MSOE in shape, acting more like a
> standard newsreader, and a lot will become clear.

Re: Session or browser problem??

Rik Wasmus wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:33:08 +0100, Shelly
> wrote:
>> Rik Wasmus wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:09:26 +0100, Jeff Gaines
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com>
>>>> Jackie Silva wrote:
>>>>> --Jackie S
>>>>
>>>> There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet
>>>> that either.
>>>
>>> Actually, by the grace of his broken sig seperator I can still
>>> easily quote his quotes. If it wouldn't be for that I'd have to
>>> jump through some hoops, as his whole quote qould be considered one
>>> big signature :)
>>
>> Rik, I tried doing the "right" sig for a while but it didn't do work.
>> I'll
>> do it now and tell me if it works.
>
> Works perfectly, at least in Opera, dash-dash-space-newline in the
> source, so a decent reader should recognize it without any trouble.

One last question. Did you cut my sig, or was it done automatically? Yours
was done automatically when I hit "Reply Group".

--
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Re: Session or browser problem??

JamesCX DiPietro wrote in news:5ortjoFo9u6fU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Actually, some popular newsreaders will hide the quotes in certain cases.
>

if only they'd fix top-posting

Re: Session or browser problem??

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:56:30 +0100, Shelly
wrote:

> Rik Wasmus wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:33:08 +0100, Shelly
>> wrote:
>>> Rik Wasmus wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:09:26 +0100, Jeff Gaines
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com>
>>>>> Jackie Silva wrote:
>>>>>> --Jackie S
>>>>>
>>>>> There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet
>>>>> that either.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, by the grace of his broken sig seperator I can still
>>>> easily quote his quotes. If it wouldn't be for that I'd have to
>>>> jump through some hoops, as his whole quote qould be considered one
>>>> big signature :)
>>>
>>> Rik, I tried doing the "right" sig for a while but it didn't do work.
>>> I'll
>>> do it now and tell me if it works.
>>
>> Works perfectly, at least in Opera, dash-dash-space-newline in the
>> source, so a decent reader should recognize it without any trouble.
>
> One last question. Did you cut my sig, or was it done automatically?
> Yours
> was done automatically when I hit "Reply Group".

Yup, one of the advantages. (Which makes it a pain to quote topposters
with correct sig seperators, fortunately a rare combination)
--
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Re: Session or browser problem??

Jerry, you don't speak for this newsgroup. I'm not surprised you've trashed another thread with one of your off-topic flamefests. It's a fruitless exercise that has no place here.

--
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Jackie Silva wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote
>>> As I said before. The standard for this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven
>>> posting. You will get few people to talk to you here if you continue to
>>> top post.
>>
>>
>>
> > there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
> > understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's a
> > matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic.
> this has
> > nothing to do with the OP's question.
> >
> > --Jackie S
> >
>
> (Top posting fixed)
>
> Yes, there is, and you have to look at each newsgroup. The standard in
> this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven posting.
>
> It's a matter of *group* preference, not *individual* preference.
>
> But continue top posting - you won't get a lot of response.
>
> And your comment added absolutely nothing to the conversation - except
> to show you don't understand what you're doing.
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

there is no automatic way to trim posts. and there are times when you may
want to quote the sig.

"Rik Wasmus" wrote in message
news:op.t02pry1x5bnjuv@metallium.lan...
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:56:30 +0100, Shelly
> wrote:
>
>> Rik Wasmus wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:33:08 +0100, Shelly
>>> wrote:
>>>> Rik Wasmus wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:09:26 +0100, Jeff Gaines
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com>
>>>>>> Jackie Silva wrote:
>>>>>>> --Jackie S
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet
>>>>>> that either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, by the grace of his broken sig seperator I can still
>>>>> easily quote his quotes. If it wouldn't be for that I'd have to
>>>>> jump through some hoops, as his whole quote qould be considered one
>>>>> big signature :)
>>>>
>>>> Rik, I tried doing the "right" sig for a while but it didn't do work.
>>>> I'll
>>>> do it now and tell me if it works.
>>>
>>> Works perfectly, at least in Opera, dash-dash-space-newline in the
>>> source, so a decent reader should recognize it without any trouble.
>>
>> One last question. Did you cut my sig, or was it done automatically?
>> Yours
>> was done automatically when I hit "Reply Group".
>
> Yup, one of the advantages. (Which makes it a pain to quote topposters
> with correct sig seperators, fortunately a rare combination)
> --
> Rik Wasmus

Re: Session or browser problem??

This is one potential pitfall of interwoven posting. The process of trimming can lead to misquoting or questionable editorializing, which reduces clarity.

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Jackie Silva wrote:
> you mis-quoted me in your response! a professional editor would cry at the
> amateurish way you cut-and-paste quotes together.
>
> there are plenty of posters who use top style in this ng. do you really
> think you can convince anyone to use your personal preference, especially
> when you can't even quote properly yourself?
>
> --Jackie S
>
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote
>> Yes, there is, and you have to look at each newsgroup. The standard in
>> this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven posting.
>
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:14:00 +0100, Jackie Silva
wrote:
> there is no automatic way to trim posts.

True for most newsreaders, some of them have settings to strip certain
'levels', some of them let you select (multiple or singel portions of)
text which will be the only quotes on a reply, etc. One should always try
to trim done quotes to the essentials. Quoting everything is almost as bad
is no quote at all

> and there are times when you may
> want to quote the sig.

O sure, I've done that once or twice in my entire usenet usage. Let's trim
signatures automatically for the other 99,999% where they are NOT needed
in the quote.
--
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Re: Session or browser problem??

Stuckle is an old hand at the troll business. You may as well add him to your killfile.

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Jackie Silva wrote:
> try a quick google for stuckle, you might find it interesting.
>
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> news:apKdndfjGeZ1KbXanZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Captain Paralytic wrote:
>>> On 31 Oct, 15:56, "Jackie Silva" wrote:
>>>> there are plenty of posters who use top style in this ng.
>>> No there are only a few others as ignorant as you who do his. The vast
>>> majority of posters here are sensible.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Paul, I have now come to the conclusion he's a troll.
>>
>> --
>> ==================
>> Remove the "x" from my email address
>> Jerry Stuckle
>> JDS Computer Training Corp.
>> jstucklex@attglobal.net
>> ==================
>>
>
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(Jackie Silva)

>there is no automatic way to trim posts.

Good newsreaders are able to automatically remove a properly delimited
sig in the response.

>and there are times when you may
>want to quote the sig.

Nothing easier than that.

Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

Shelly wrote:
> Rik Wasmus wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:09:26 +0100, Jeff Gaines
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com> Jackie
>>> Silva wrote:
>>>> --Jackie S
>>> There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet that
>>> either.
>> Actually, by the grace of his broken sig seperator I can still easily
>> quote his quotes. If it wouldn't be for that I'd have to jump through
>> some hoops, as his whole quote qould be considered one big signature
>> :)
>
> Rik, I tried doing the "right" sig for a while but it didn't do work. I'll
> do it now and tell me if it works.
>

Looks good here, Shelly.

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Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(Jackie Silva)

>what kind of reading problems are you having?

None anymore. I don't have to read you.

If you offend the regulars in a newsgroup, you shouldn't expect much
help if you should ever need it. We want nothing from you - you want
something from us.

Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

Jackie Silva wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> news:apKdndXjGeYPKbXanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Jackie Silva wrote:
>>> "Jeff Gaines" wrote in message
>>> news:xn0fd3igc2joqxj000@news.individual.net...
>>>> On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com> Jackie
>>>> Silva wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
>>>>> understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's a
>>>>> matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic. this
>>>>> has nothing to do with the OP's question.
>>>> It would be more accurate to say that relative newcomers are unaware of
>>>> the conventions, or the reasons for them.
>>>>
>>>> Try a Google for 'netiquette'.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --Jackie S
>>>> There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet that
>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
>>>> This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it
>>>
>>> there are multiple posting conventions used on usenet. read up:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>>>
>>> your arguments against one posting style are based on the original
>> techical
>>> limitations of usenet.
>>>
>> (Top posting fixed)
>>
>> No, my arguments are based on the STANDARDS OF THIS GROUP.
>>
>> And idiots who refuse to follow standards don't get many responses in this
>> group.
>>
>> Your arguments for top posting are based on being too lazy to scroll to
>> the bottom of the page before you start posting.
>>
>> A. Because they're arrogant jerks.
>> Q. Why do they continue doing it?
>> A. Because it upsets the normal flow of the conversation.
>> Q. Why is top posting bad?
>> A. People who top post.
>> Q. Why are the most annoying people on usenet?
>>
>>
> why do you insist on misquoting people when you respond?
>

(Top posting fixed)

And exactly where did I misquote you? My quotes of you are *exactly* as
entered.

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Re: Session or browser problem??

JamesCX DiPietro wrote:
> Top posting is preferable in many instances. However, the top posting vs. bottom posting debate is as old as Usenet itself and to this day continues to incite religious wars with each side claiming ultimate supremacy. A better question is why is this debate taking place in a php group?
>

Simple. Because some people refuse to follow established standards for
this newsgroup.

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Re: Session or browser problem??

JamesCX DiPietro wrote:
> Jerry, you don't speak for this newsgroup. I'm not surprised you've trashed another thread with one of your off-topic flamefests. It's a fruitless exercise that has no place here.
>
> --
> JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)
>
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Jackie Silva wrote:
>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote
>>>> As I said before. The standard for this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven
>>>> posting. You will get few people to talk to you here if you continue to
>>>> top post.
>>>
>>>
>>> there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
>>> understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's a
>>> matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic.
>> this has
>>> nothing to do with the OP's question.
>>>
>>> --Jackie S
>>>
>> (Top posting fixed)
>>
>> Yes, there is, and you have to look at each newsgroup. The standard in
>> this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven posting.
>>
>> It's a matter of *group* preference, not *individual* preference.
>>
>> But continue top posting - you won't get a lot of response.
>>
>> And your comment added absolutely nothing to the conversation - except
>> to show you don't understand what you're doing.
>>
>

Stuff it, troll.

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Re: Session or browser problem??

bottom-posters often quote everything.

"Rik Wasmus" wrote in message
news:op.t02qzali5bnjuv@metallium.lan...
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:14:00 +0100, Jackie Silva
> Quoting everything is almost as bad is no quote at all

Re: Session or browser problem??

"Jackie Silva" wrote in
news:13ih8ujnfivbce0@news.supernews.com:

> there are multiple posting conventions used on usenet. read up:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style

yeah but really, in a PROBLEM BASED newsgroup such as this, its helpful to
jump into any post and read in order a) problem b) comments c) solution

not

a) solution
b) comments
c) problem


Not that you're actually trying to help people solve problems here.

Re: Session or browser problem??

your sig is broken. and your assumption that this flamefest and your
contribution to it helps anyone is seriously misguided.

why are you posting if you don't plan on reading the reply?

"Michael Fesser" wrote in message
news:c5jhi39mu393tnq69ql75lgt1ehknq1oo4@4ax.com...
> .oO(Jackie Silva)
>
>>what kind of reading problems are you having?
>
> None anymore. I don't have to read you.
>
> If you offend the regulars in a newsgroup, you shouldn't expect much
> help if you should ever need it. We want nothing from you - you want
> something from us.

Re: Session or browser problem??

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:31:56 +0100, JamesCX DiPietro
wrote:
> Stuckle is an old hand at the troll business. You may as well add him to
> your killfile.

Just a few remarkt before I set this whole offtopic thread to ignore:
- There certainly is a non-binding, not enforced, though highly preferred
way of posting in this group.
- I think it's quite quaint a M. DiPietro en M. (Mrs/Ms, seems 'Jackie'
can be either) accuse one of the most regular on-topic posters with some
real knowledge of trolling. I confess I haven't search religiously, but I
can't find a truly usefull on topic post in this group from either of
those two.
- I totally agree with Jerry, but I'm more of a pessimist: I'll ask once
or twice nicely, and then quietly ignore those who still refuse to make it
easier for the reader to help them with their problems. I just don't feel
the need to announce that publicly. Jerry on the other hand still believes
those people can be persuaded (well, yeah, and has a little issue about
being right, and acknowledged, then again, he usually _is_ right).

So far from me, thread on ignore including some top-posters, I wish you
all a happy, albeit useless, discussion without end.
--
Rik Wasmus

Re: Session or browser problem??

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:49:22 +0100, Jackie Silva
wrote:
> "Rik Wasmus" wrote in message
> news:op.t02qzali5bnjuv@metallium.lan...
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:14:00 +0100, Jackie Silva
>> Quoting everything is almost as bad is no quote at all
> bottom-posters often quote everything.

Topposter almost always do... Have you read your own replies?
--
Rik Wasmus

Re: Session or browser problem??

i suggest you read this and learn how to properly quote a source -
http://www.fontbonne.edu/academics/resourcespolicies/academi cintegrity.htm

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
news:raWdnTS07OEjULXanZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@comcast.com...
> Jackie Silva wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>> news:apKdndXjGeYPKbXanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Jackie Silva wrote:
>>>> "Jeff Gaines" wrote in message
>>>> news:xn0fd3igc2joqxj000@news.individual.net...
>>>>> On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com> Jackie
>>>>> Silva wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
>>>>>> understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's
>>>>>> a matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic.
>>>>>> this has nothing to do with the OP's question.
>>>>> It would be more accurate to say that relative newcomers are unaware
>>>>> of the conventions, or the reasons for them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try a Google for 'netiquette'.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> --Jackie S
>>>>> There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet that
>>>>> either.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
>>>>> This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it
>>>>
>>>> there are multiple posting conventions used on usenet. read up:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>>>>
>>>> your arguments against one posting style are based on the original
>>> techical
>>>> limitations of usenet.
>>>>
>>> (Top posting fixed)
>>>
>>> No, my arguments are based on the STANDARDS OF THIS GROUP.
>>>
>>> And idiots who refuse to follow standards don't get many responses in
>>> this group.
>>>
>>> Your arguments for top posting are based on being too lazy to scroll to
>>> the bottom of the page before you start posting.
>>>
>>> A. Because they're arrogant jerks.
>>> Q. Why do they continue doing it?
>>> A. Because it upsets the normal flow of the conversation.
>>> Q. Why is top posting bad?
>>> A. People who top post.
>>> Q. Why are the most annoying people on usenet?
>>>
>>>
> > why do you insist on misquoting people when you respond?
> >
>
> (Top posting fixed)
>
> And exactly where did I misquote you? My quotes of you are *exactly* as
> entered.
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstucklex@attglobal.net
> ==================
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

you're missing the point. you cannot automatically trim the content of a
post. if you believe you've invented an algorithm that does so, then share
it with us.

"Michael Fesser" wrote in message
news:lpihi39co4gc4g472t8oklnkf7r3u1gfbp@4ax.com...
> .oO(Jackie Silva)
>
>>there is no automatic way to trim posts.
>
> Good newsreaders are able to automatically remove a properly delimited
> sig in the response.
>
>>and there are times when you may
>>want to quote the sig.
>
> Nothing easier than that.
>
> Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(Jackie Silva)

>your sig is broken.

You can't tell because I don't have a sig. If I would, it would be
_below_ my name, because my short name and sometimes some greetings
are part of my messages.

>and your assumption that this flamefest and your
>contribution to it helps anyone is seriously misguided.

It helps to learn more about people like you.

Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Stuff it, troll.

That's etiquette for you.

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

Re: Session or browser problem??

Well I think most people reading the thread will come away with an opposite impression. Jerry essentially told the person asking a question to go away and stop posting here, which is hardly on-topic or helpful.

There are 6 possible combinations of posting styles, all of which you'll see preferred by various users on this group and Usenet. You would be hard-pressed to call this any kind of standard or universal preference.

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

Rik Wasmus wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:31:56 +0100, JamesCX DiPietro
> wrote:
>> Stuckle is an old hand at the troll business. You may as well add him to
>> your killfile.
>
> Just a few remarkt before I set this whole offtopic thread to ignore:
> - There certainly is a non-binding, not enforced, though highly preferred
> way of posting in this group.
> - I think it's quite quaint a M. DiPietro en M. (Mrs/Ms, seems 'Jackie'
> can be either) accuse one of the most regular on-topic posters with some
> real knowledge of trolling. I confess I haven't search religiously, but I
> can't find a truly usefull on topic post in this group from either of
> those two.
> - I totally agree with Jerry, but I'm more of a pessimist: I'll ask once
> or twice nicely, and then quietly ignore those who still refuse to make it
> easier for the reader to help them with their problems. I just don't feel
> the need to announce that publicly. Jerry on the other hand still believes
> those people can be persuaded (well, yeah, and has a little issue about
> being right, and acknowledged, then again, he usually _is_ right).
>
> So far from me, thread on ignore including some top-posters, I wish you
> all a happy, albeit useless, discussion without end.

Re: Session or browser problem??

Well, disregard that, I don't think you should killfille Jerry. It's really up to you. His trolls can be amusing.

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

JamesCX DiPietro wrote:
> Stuckle is an old hand at the troll business. You may as well add him to your killfile.
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(JamesCX DiPietro)

>There are 6 possible combinations of posting styles

There are _a lot_ more. Posting style is not only about quoting. In some
other groups it's also about the posting name, the use of emoticons and
many more things.

>all of which you'll
>see preferred by various users on this group and Usenet. You would be
>hard-pressed to call this any kind of standard or universal preference.

If you would know a bit more about Usenet, then you would see that every
hierarchy, often every single group has its own rules and conventions,
like any society. These rules are made by the regulars and often have
evolved over the years.

And it doesn't really matter what the single average user prefers. What
matters are the group's regulars, because they are the ones who spend
their own time to help others voluntarily and keep the group alive.

Remember: You should never bite the hand that feeds you.

EOT for me
Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

You're missing the point. The folks in this newsgroup have used and favored varied posting styles for years. You're way too late to try to change that. What you're actually looking for is a moderated newsgroup which c.l.p. is not.

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(JamesCX DiPietro)
>
>>There are 6 possible combinations of posting styles
>
> There are _a lot_ more. Posting style is not only about quoting. In some
> other groups it's also about the posting name, the use of emoticons and
> many more things.
>
>>all of which you'll
>>see preferred by various users on this group and Usenet. You would be
>>hard-pressed to call this any kind of standard or universal preference.
>
> If you would know a bit more about Usenet, then you would see that every
> hierarchy, often every single group has its own rules and conventions,
> like any society. These rules are made by the regulars and often have
> evolved over the years.
>
> And it doesn't really matter what the single average user prefers. What
> matters are the group's regulars, because they are the ones who spend
> their own time to help others voluntarily and keep the group alive.
>
> Remember: You should never bite the hand that feeds you.
>
> EOT for me
> Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(JamesCX DiPietro)

>You're missing the point. The folks in this newsgroup have used and
>favored varied posting styles for years. You're way too late to try to
>change that. What you're actually looking for is a moderated newsgroup
>which c.l.p. is not.

I don't think you're in the position to make such claims. Have you ever
contributed to this group in any kind except for your 9 OT postings in
this thread?

EOT, Fup2 poster
Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

Just read the newsgroup's charter for once. Varied posting styles are allowed. Your incessant trolling is not.

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> JamesCX DiPietro wrote:
>> Top posting is preferable in many instances. However, the top posting vs. bottom posting debate is as old as Usenet itself and to this day continues to incite religious wars with each side claiming ultimate supremacy. A better question is why is this debate taking place in a php group?
>>
>
> Simple. Because some people refuse to follow established standards for
> this newsgroup.
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

Rik Wasmus wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:31:56 +0100, JamesCX DiPietro
> wrote:
>> Stuckle is an old hand at the troll business. You may as well add him
>> to your killfile.
>
> Just a few remarkt before I set this whole offtopic thread to ignore:
> - There certainly is a non-binding, not enforced, though highly
> preferred way of posting in this group.
> - I think it's quite quaint a M. DiPietro en M. (Mrs/Ms, seems 'Jackie'
> can be either) accuse one of the most regular on-topic posters with some
> real knowledge of trolling. I confess I haven't search religiously, but
> I can't find a truly usefull on topic post in this group from either of
> those two.
> - I totally agree with Jerry, but I'm more of a pessimist: I'll ask once
> or twice nicely, and then quietly ignore those who still refuse to make
> it easier for the reader to help them with their problems. I just don't
> feel the need to announce that publicly. Jerry on the other hand still
> believes those people can be persuaded (well, yeah, and has a little
> issue about being right, and acknowledged, then again, he usually _is_
> right).
>
> So far from me, thread on ignore including some top-posters, I wish you
> all a happy, albeit useless, discussion without end.

Rik,

I've given up on the troll. You can lead a horticulture, but you can't
make her think.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(JamesCX DiPietro)

>Just read the newsgroup's charter for once. Varied posting styles are
>allowed. Your incessant trolling is not.

You want to read the charter again or post the parts that you think
support your claim.

Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

Here are some of your recent posts. Do you honestly think arguing with Stuckle about your Usenet headers is a good example of staying on topic? I'm not surprised he's involved in that one as well.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.php/msg/3fc8190b2f2 74aee
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.php/msg/87d55e587b6 933c1

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)


Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(JamesCX DiPietro)
>
>>You're missing the point. The folks in this newsgroup have used and
>>favored varied posting styles for years. You're way too late to try to
>>change that. What you're actually looking for is a moderated newsgroup
>>which c.l.p. is not.
>
> I don't think you're in the position to make such claims. Have you ever
> contributed to this group in any kind except for your 9 OT postings in
> this thread?
>
> EOT, Fup2 poster
> Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

The charter is perfectly clear. You should read it and understand it before you try arguing against it.

For folks like Fesser who are too lazy to look it up, here it is:

RESULT
unmoderated group comp.lang.php passes 177:11

There were 177 YES votes and 11 NO votes, for a total of 188 valid votes.
There were 2 abstains and 11 invalid ballots.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.php PHP, server side scripting.

Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jun 2002.

[ Votetaker remarks: This was a re-vote. The first vote was cancelled due
to the distribution of pre-marked ballots. ]

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Ian Fette
Votetaker: David E. Smith

RATIONALE: comp.lang.php

An alt.php newsgroup currently exists and is well used, and there is also
an alt.comp.lang.php group in existence. Not all servers carry alt.*
newsgroups, however, essentially splitting the PHP Usenet community.
Almost all news servers carry the comp.lang.* groups, which would make the
group more accessible to users, in addition to unifying the two "Usenet
PHP factions." Furthermore, every respected programming language has a
group under comp.lang.*. PHP has matured into a respected (and powerful)
language widely in use. As such, a group in the comp.lang.* hierarchy
seems appropriate at this time. Finally, posts in comp.lang.* groups are
retained longer than posts in alt.* groups on many servers, another reason
that a switch to a comp.lang.* group would benefit the PHP community.

CHARTER: comp.lang.php

comp.lang.php is intended to be a global forum for the discussion of
issues involving PHP. The ultimate goal is to create a relaxed yet helpful
environment in which people can seek answers to general questions about
PHP, specific questions regarding specific PHP functions or code snippets,
or topical questions.

The posting of binaries is generally frowned upon. When posting a specific
question about a piece of code or a function that you are having a problem
with, please include in your post a section of code as small as possible
that illustrates the problem you are having.

A group alt.php.sql also currently exists, but is less frequently used
than alt.php. Since database connectivity is a large part of PHP, it will
be considered topical in comp.lang.php. A comp.lang.php.sql is not deemed
necessary at the current point in time, however may be proposed at a later
point should the need arise.

END CHARTER.

DISTRIBUTION:

Pointers directing readers to this CFV were posted in the following groups:

de.comp.lang.php
fr.comp.lang.php

comp.lang.php Final Vote Ack

NOTE: This is not [to be used as] a mailing list. The email addresses
are posted only to help verify the interest poll. Thank you. The "real"
vote list can be recovered by piping the list below through sed s/~/@/g .

comp.lang.php Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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$thomas/98b$~mail.paradise-green.co.uk Thomas Sandford
adia~hellug.gr Alexandros Diamantidis
alandrums~yahoo.com Alan
amcmicha~Princeton.EDU Andrew McMichael
andy~andyh.org Andy Hassall
andy~microwinder.com Andrew Conner
anthony~ventimiglia.org Anthony Ventimiglia
arussell~apexsoftware.freeserve.co.uk Alex Russell
avbentem~hetnet.nl Arjan van Bentem
baloo~ursine.dyndns.org Baloo Ursidae
beyond~xs4all.nl beyond
bob~cube33.com Fred
bouvin~daimi.au.dk Niels Olof Bouvin
bpalmer~leland.stanford.edu Brian Palmer
brlspam~yahoo.com Bruce Lewis
bruce-baugh~spiretech.com Bruce Baugh
bt~csfps.de Volker Borchert
btpoole~nortelnetworks.com Benjamin Poole
bwm~bwm.org.uk Barry Martin
cerberus2k~blueyonder.co.uk John Mitchell
chc~alussinan.org Christophe Cuq
chris.bewick~ntlworld.com Chris Bewick
chris~stallion.oz.au Christopher Biggs
chriseb~ukshells.co.uk Chris Ebenezer
chuck~cycletourist.com Chuck Anderson
cind0revs~toadmail.toad.net Arthur J Mongan
cl.php-vote~abulman.co.uk Alister
cmeerw_vote~fastrun.at Christof Meerwald
d.cardonne~univers-cite.qc.ca Danny Cardonne
dansachs~panix.com Daniel Sachs
davep~davep.org Dave Pearson
dball~bnb-lp.com David Ball
dc~panix.com David W. Crawford
devin~thecabal.org Devin L. Ganger
devnull~vianet.ca Trevor Tymchuk
dfrost~maths.tcd.ie Dermot Frost
djm~zamang.co.uk David McCormack
dpc~ipp.mpg.de David Coster
dvandeun~vub.ac.be Dirk van Deun
e~dronkert.net Ewoud Dronkert
earthscibbs~rogers.com David Ramalho
ed~eddaniel.demon.co.uk Ed Daniel
egorr~scanalytics.com Eric Gorr
Ekkehard~Uthke.de Ekkehard Uthke
elainet~vianet.ca Elaine Timms
ellis~spinics.net Rick Ellis
eltehaem~poczta.onet.pl Wojciech Gdela
elucero~inet.cl Eduardo Lucero Muller
equus~welsh-cob.cix.co.uk Alan Chapman
ermannov~netscape.net Ermanno Iannacci
eugenem~ix.netcom.com Eugene Mah
fortiz~lacorona.com.mx Fernando Ortiz
franck.t~netcourrier.com Franck T.
gbx~email.si Gorazd Bozic
george~pcb-designer.com George H. Patrick, III
ggw~wolves.durham.nc.us G.Wolfe Woodbury
gherbert~retro.com George William Herbert
gildseth~start.no Tommy Gildseth
girvandw~freeuk.com David Girvan
gluds~yahoo.com Josep Domenech
gouders~et.bocholt.fh-ge.de Dirk Gouders
gregor.herrmann~comodo.priv.at gregor herrmann
grund~h-a-s-e.com Wolfgang Grund
guillaume.jany~wanadoo.fr Guillaume JANY
harder~ifa.au.dk Jesper Harder
henkp~cs.uu.nl Henk Penning
herveus~radix.net Michael Houghton
hhSPAM~fsck.dk Henrik Hansen
Humphrey.Clerx~eurocontrol.int Humphrey Clerx
ian.michael~impub.co.uk Ian Michael
iarenuno~eteo.mondragon.edu Ignacio Arenaza
ifette~comcast.net Ian Fette
irwin~stat.ohio-state.edu Mark Irwin
jaed~jaedworks.com Jeanne A. E. DeVoto
james.bursa~strcprstskrzkrk.co.uk James Bursa
JamesL~Lugoj.com James Logajan
jani.percic~arih.si Jani Percic
jason~devnetwork.net Jason
jeffhung~ms44.url.com.tw Chien-Chou Hung
jeffrey~carlyle.org Jeffrey Coleman Carlyle
jell~clari.net.au Jelle Jager
jennifer~material.demon.co.uk Jennifer Moore
jennine~7d.com Jennine Townsend
jgd~cix.co.uk John Dallman
jim_hayter~hotmail.com Jim Hayter
jmv16~cornell.edu Jeffrey M. Vinocur
joe~sfbooks.com Joe Bernstein
john~thegreys.co.uk John Grey
johnl~iecc.com John R. Levine
jolomo~olagrande.net Joe Morris
jon~alpineinternet.com Jon Abernathy
josh~joshghiloni.net Joshua Ghiloni
jphillips~jpgonline.com Joe Phillips
js~saltmine.radix.net John Schmidt
julesd~erols.com Jules Dubois
julien.lecomte~voonoo.net Julien=20
kees.de.bruin~altium.nl Kees de Bruin
ken.gregg~rwre.com Ken Gregg
kennethf~stud.ntnu.no Kenneth Frank Salvesen
kenrbnsn1~rcn.com Ken Robinson
kevin~pricetrak.com Kevin Thorpe
Kimmo.Rinteela~uta.fi Kimmo Rinteel?
les.lytollis~morse.com Lez Lytollis
lfrigault~teaser.fr Laurent FRIGAULT
mb~markus-berthold.de Markus Berthold
me~ifihada.com jbp
mefju~venus.ci.uw.edu.pl Maciej Ostaszewski
megazone~megazone.org MegaZone
mhess~miraclec.com Michael A. Hess
michaeno~stud.ntnu.no Michael Norum
mohrmann~gmx.de Bjoern Mohrmann
moj~alertir.com Mats-Olof Sander
montanab~gower.net Bill Montana
mrm~lerctr.org Ray Mullins
mythaddeus~attbi.com D. Scaldini-Klimm
neomal~ginosko.net Neomal Weerakoon
newt_e~blueyonder.co.uk Neil James =
orjan_f~post.utfors.se D6rjan Forslund
p.henkel~zonnet.nl Peter Henkelsoft
panchjr~hotmail.com J Panchen
patrick~pataltman.com Patrick Altman
paul.kappeler~cerberus.ch SPAN
Paul.Smith~cantos.com SPAN=20
pauls~etext.org Paul Southworth
paul_greathouse~hp.com Paul Greathouse
pblaer~panix.com Paul Blaer
pgl~yoyo.org Peter Lowe
pnlarsson~telia.com Niklas Larsson
psmyth~gmx.net Peter Smyth
pt97fjo~student.bth.se Fredrik Jonson
r.mariotti~financialdatacorp.com Robert Mariotti
rabower~stny.rr.com Dick Bower
rainer.ginsberg~basf-it-services.com Rainer Ginsberg
ralph.j~excite.com Ralph Johnston
rcpj~panix.com Pierre Jelenc
reg~reva.co.uk john moylan (jfp)
rel+vote~lipo.at0.net Roland E. Lipovits
ric~digital-animations.com Richard Cooper
Richard.Cook~Colorado.EDU Richard Cook
roman.maurer~amis.net Roman Maurer
ron.barnett~NTLWorld.com Ron Barnett
rosie~dozyrosy.com Rosemary Powell
rra~stanford.edu Russ Allbery
sbfaulds~ihug.co.nz Stuart Brodie Faulds
scott~zsori.com Scott Zsori
shevek~onlinehome.de Harald Seute
shiva~io.com Earl Cooley
shodan~pandorasstrike.fsnet.co.uk Anthony =
shyamal.prasad~ericsson.com Shyamal Prasad
simon~darkmere.gen.nz Simon Lyall
smlucas~flashmail.com Steven Lucas
snevel+usenet~sonic.net Simeon Nevel
snow3~xs4all.nl Maarten van der Peet
spaite~apigestmed.com SPAITE
spence~panix.com Michael D. Spence
squid~panix.com Yeoh Yiu
stefan~nmg.nl Stefan Koopmanschap
steve~yelvington.com Steve Yelvington
stevenv~operamail.com Steven Vasilogianis
support~tradersparadise.com Trader's Paradise
thierry~pompo.net Thierry Thomas
toivo~ucs.uwa.edu.au Toivo Pedaste
trevor~ashdown-software.com Trevor Smith
ts~UWasa.Fi Timo Salmi
tyketto~wizard.com Brad Littlejohn
van.ette~inter.nl.net Robert-Jan van Ette
verch~panix.com Jason Verch
viralbus~daimi.au.dk Thomas M. Widmann
vote-comp.lang.php~newton.digitalspace.net Philip Newton
vote2002~valiant.palfrader.org Peter Palfrader
Vulch~vulch.org Anthony Frost
walkerk~crocuta.com Kent Walker
webgeek~snarkles.net Angela Byron
wim.koorenneef~home.nl Wim Koorenneef
xavier~linkadmin.org Xavier Spriet
yadi~xtra.co.nz Amos Jeffries
zimnyzenon~interia.pl Zenobiusz Zimny

Voted No
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dougbob~charter.net Brian Douglas
ernestcline~mindspring.com Ernest Cline
JEckart~mail.com John Eckart
mail~djfoulkes.fsnet.co.uk Dom Foulkes
naddy~mips.inka.de Christian Weisgerber
pan~syix.com Pan
rick~bcm.tmc.edu Richard H Miller
RUSTYBLKJK~aol.com Rusty Martin
shrao~nyx.net Shrisha Rao
stainles~bga.com Dwight Brown
vpdura~hiwaay.net Vic Dura

Abstained
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------?---
jmprice~calweb.com John M. Price, PhD
svalbardifast~home.se Kent Persson

Votes in error
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ArtKamlet~aol.REMOVE.com Arthur Kamlet
! Ack bounced
cmosser~attbi.com Christopher M Mosser
! Ack bounced
help~dvdseason.com DVDSeason
! No ballot
news~beyond.xs4all.nl beyond
! Invalid address
not~here.com Wayne
! Invalid address
puntomaupunto_at_tin.it~example.invalid.cselt.it Maurizio Codogno
! Ack bounced
qsinagra~hotmail.com Quentin Sinagra
! No vote statement in message
root~linkadmin.org Xavier Spriet
! Invalid address
root~mauve.demon.co.uk Ian Stirling
! Invalid address
say1~tikauka.cs.waikato.ac.nz Stuart A Yeates
! Ack bounced
usenet~7d.com
! Invalid address



--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)


Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(JamesCX DiPietro)
>
>>Just read the newsgroup's charter for once. Varied posting styles are
>>allowed. Your incessant trolling is not.
>
> You want to read the charter again or post the parts that you think
> support your claim.
>
> Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(JamesCX DiPietro)

>Here are some of your recent posts.

Don't tell me what I've posted, I know that. I also know that some of it
was OT. So what?

(Hint: You might want to learn how to post proper message IDs and not
just these proprietary Google Groups IDs).

>Do you honestly think arguing with Stuckle about your Usenet headers is
>a good example of staying on topic? I'm not surprised he's involved in
>that one as well.

Some OT threads _always_ happen in _every_ group, that's Usenet. As long
as you keep the noise low and contribute to the group most of the time,
no one will blame you.

And BTW: What does it help in order to keep OT noise low if you ignore a
suggested FollowUp? If you still think you have something to say to me,
drop me an email.

Fup2 poster (2nd try)
Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

your name is at the bottom of every post you make and is your signature. you
don't even know what means i guess. read the usenet signature convention
rfc.

"Michael Fesser" wrote in message
news:97lhi3pn8bq1mkorake41e0h2pe7sb7678@4ax.com...
> .oO(Jackie Silva)
>
>>your sig is broken.
>
> You can't tell because I don't have a sig. If I would, it would be
> _below_ my name, because my short name and sometimes some greetings
> are part of my messages.
>
>>and your assumption that this flamefest and your
>>contribution to it helps anyone is seriously misguided.
>
> It helps to learn more about people like you.
>
> Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(JamesCX DiPietro)

>The charter is perfectly clear. You should read it and understand it
>before you try arguing against it.
>
>For folks like Fesser who are too lazy to look it up, here it is:

I also have a first name.

>RESULT
> unmoderated group comp.lang.php passes 177:11

Sweety, I asked for the _charter_, not the entire CFV result. Too lazy
to trim a post? Let me do it for you. Stripped to the relevant part:

>CHARTER: comp.lang.php
>[...]
>The posting of binaries is generally frowned upon. When posting a specific
>question about a piece of code or a function that you are having a problem
>with, please include in your post a section of code as small as possible
>that illustrates the problem you are having.
>[...]
>END CHARTER.

Now where does it talk about posting style or trolling?
Nowhere.

Now please stop that.

OT, Fup2 poster
Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(JamesCX DiPietro)
>
> Don't tell me what I've posted, I know that. I also know that some of it
> was OT. So what?

Admitting that you are part of the problem is the first step toward recovery.

>
> (Hint: You might want to learn how to post proper message IDs and not
> just these proprietary Google Groups IDs).

URLs are not proprietary and are actually more accessible in general than message IDs.

>>Do you honestly think arguing with Stuckle about your Usenet headers is
>>a good example of staying on topic? I'm not surprised he's involved in
>>that one as well.
>
> Some OT threads _always_ happen in _every_ group, that's Usenet. As long
> as you keep the noise low and contribute to the group most of the time,
> no one will blame you.

You are a habitual offender.

> And BTW: What does it help in order to keep OT noise low if you ignore a
> suggested FollowUp? If you still think you have something to say to me,
> drop me an email.

I'm not going to email you. This is a public discussion group.

> Fup2 poster (2nd try)
> Micha

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(Jackie Silva)

>your name is at the bottom of every post you make and is your signature. you
>don't even know what means i guess. read the usenet signature convention
>rfc.

You want to show me that RFC and the part where it defines what the
content of a sig should be.

Where I come from, the introduction line, any greetings and the name
belong to the message, it's like a frame around it (and not just in
Usenet postings, but in every letter). The sig is just an appendix with
arbitrary content (like in this case). Often it's seen as kind of a
business card for example. You can use it, but you don't have to.

At least my sig is ontopic ...

Micha

--

-1.3;$y-=0.1){for($x=-2.08;$x<.92;$x+=.04){$r=

$n=0;for($h=127;$r*$r+$n*$n<4&&--$h>32;){$d=$r;$r=$r*$r-$n*$n+$x;$n=2*$d*$n+

$y;}($x>0.98)?print chr(10):print chr($h);if(++$c%75==0)print"\n";}}?>

Re: Session or browser problem??

What you posted is incomplete. Read the actual charter in its entirety.

Interestingly, you've unintenionally provided a good example of how interleaved posting can make things less clear when you do it in a sloppy manner.

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(JamesCX DiPietro)
>
>>The charter is perfectly clear. You should read it and understand it
>>before you try arguing against it.
>>
>>For folks like Fesser who are too lazy to look it up, here it is:
>
> I also have a first name.
>
>>RESULT
>> unmoderated group comp.lang.php passes 177:11
>
> Sweety, I asked for the _charter_, not the entire CFV result. Too lazy
> to trim a post? Let me do it for you. Stripped to the relevant part:
>
>>CHARTER: comp.lang.php
>>[...]
>>The posting of binaries is generally frowned upon. When posting a specific
>>question about a piece of code or a function that you are having a problem
>>with, please include in your post a section of code as small as possible
>>that illustrates the problem you are having.
>>[...]
>>END CHARTER.
>
> Now where does it talk about posting style or trolling?
> Nowhere.
>
> Now please stop that.
>
> OT, Fup2 poster
> Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

> You want to show me that RFC and the part where it defines what the
> content of a sig should be.

are you too lazy to even google it? it's the first hit!! lol

i see you now have fixed your sig. good job.

"Michael Fesser" wrote in message
news:g90ii3tivc5mcu2uf7f3qcdmsi8gvg3lit@4ax.com...
> .oO(Jackie Silva)
>
>>your name is at the bottom of every post you make and is your signature.
>>you
>>don't even know what means i guess. read the usenet signature convention
>>rfc.
>
> You want to show me that RFC and the part where it defines what the
> content of a sig should be.
>
> Where I come from, the introduction line, any greetings and the name
> belong to the message, it's like a frame around it (and not just in
> Usenet postings, but in every letter). The sig is just an appendix with
> arbitrary content (like in this case). Often it's seen as kind of a
> business card for example. You can use it, but you don't have to.
>
> At least my sig is ontopic ...
>
> Micha
>
> --
>

> $c=0;for($y=1.2;$y>-1.3;$y-=0.1){for($x=-2.08;$x<.92;$x+=.04){$r=

> $n=0;for($h=127;$r*$r+$n*$n<4&&--$h>32;){$d=$r;$r=$r*$r-$n*$n+$x;$n=2*$d*$n+

> $y;}($x>0.98)?print chr(10):print 

> chr($h);if(++$c%75==0)print"\n";}}?>

Re: Session or browser problem??

everyone - it looks like stuckle has announced he's giving up trolling!
hurrah!

does your post mean you are taking up gardening as a hobby instead?

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
news:69WdnfZqgYEwbrXanZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@comcast.com...
> I've given up on the troll. You can lead a horticulture, but you can't
> make her think.
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstucklex@attglobal.net
> ==================
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

learn how to use the threading feature in your newsreader. it's very handy.

"Good Man" wrote in message
news:Xns99DA96DA782C2sonicyouth@216.196.97.131...
> "Jackie Silva" wrote in
> news:13ih8ujnfivbce0@news.supernews.com:
>
>> there are multiple posting conventions used on usenet. read up:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>
> yeah but really, in a PROBLEM BASED newsgroup such as this, its helpful to
> jump into any post and read in order a) problem b) comments c) solution
>
> not
>
> a) solution
> b) comments
> c) problem
>
>
> Not that you're actually trying to help people solve problems here.
>
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(JamesCX DiPietro)

>Michael Fesser wrote:
>
>> (Hint: You might want to learn how to post proper message IDs and not
>> just these proprietary Google Groups IDs).
>
>URLs are not proprietary

These proprietary IDs belong to Google. They just have to change their
indexing algorithm and the IDs are gone. The real message IDs are
platform- and system-independent, they are defined by an official
standard (RFC).

>and are actually more accessible in general than message IDs.

Depends on the newsreader.

>> Some OT threads _always_ happen in _every_ group, that's Usenet. As long
>> as you keep the noise low and contribute to the group most of the time,
>> no one will blame you.
>
>You are a habitual offender.

Trolls always start flaming when they run out of arguments. You
perfectly fit into that category.

>> And BTW: What does it help in order to keep OT noise low if you ignore a
>> suggested FollowUp? If you still think you have something to say to me,
>> drop me an email.
>
>I'm not going to email you. This is a public discussion group.

This discussion is OT here. It's a long-standing Usenet convention to
set a follow-up to a more appropriate group or to private mail if a
discussion goes too OT. Only trolls ignore such follow-ups _multiple
times_. So you also want to read about netiquette.

Fup2 poster (3rd try)
Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(JamesCX DiPietro)

>What you posted is incomplete. Read the actual charter in its entirety.

The other parts were irrelevant to the issue. But since you asked for
it:

>comp.lang.php is intended to be a global forum for the discussion of
>issues involving PHP. The ultimate goal is to create a relaxed yet helpful
>environment in which people can seek answers to general questions about
>PHP, specific questions regarding specific PHP functions or code snippets,
>or topical questions.
>
>The posting of binaries is generally frowned upon. When posting a specific
>question about a piece of code or a function that you are having a problem
>with, please include in your post a section of code as small as possible
>that illustrates the problem you are having.
>
>A group alt.php.sql also currently exists, but is less frequently used
>than alt.php. Since database connectivity is a large part of PHP, it will
>be considered topical in comp.lang.php. A comp.lang.php.sql is not deemed
>necessary at the current point in time, however may be proposed at a later
>point should the need arise.

To repeat my question: Where does it talk about posting style or
trolling?

Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(Jackie Silva)

>> You want to show me that RFC and the part where it defines what the
>> content of a sig should be.
>
>are you too lazy to even google it? it's the first hit!! lol

In your fantasy. There's no "usenet signature convention" RFC. Some RFCs
mention the delimiter or the recommended size of a sig, but that's it.

>i see you now have fixed your sig. good job.

*ROFL*

One time you complain about my name at the bottom of the posting, in
another case it's OK just because it's followed(!) by a sig? What a
lunatic are you?

Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(Jackie Silva)

>learn how to use the threading feature in your newsreader. it's very handy.

This has nothing to do with the issue of top quoting, which is like
posting a bunch of answers above a bunch of questions - you don't know
what belongs where.

Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(JamesCX DiPietro)
>
>>Michael Fesser wrote:
>>
>>> (Hint: You might want to learn how to post proper message IDs and not
>>> just these proprietary Google Groups IDs).
>>
>>URLs are not proprietary
>
> These proprietary IDs belong to Google. They just have to change their
> indexing algorithm and the IDs are gone. The real message IDs are
> platform- and system-independent, they are defined by an official
> standard (RFC).
>>and are actually more accessible in general than message IDs.
>
> Depends on the newsreader.

What you don't know is that most news servers retain messages for less than 6 months. Google's web-accessible archive goes back 20 years. There are far more users with web access than NNTP access. Even users with NNTP access can have trouble even accessing a news: link.

>>> Some OT threads _always_ happen in _every_ group, that's Usenet. As long
>>> as you keep the noise low and contribute to the group most of the time,
>>> no one will blame you.
>>
>>You are a habitual offender.
>
> Trolls always start flaming when they run out of arguments. You

Your history of off-topic posting speaks for itself.

> perfectly fit into that category.
>>> And BTW: What does it help in order to keep OT noise low if you ignore a
>>> suggested FollowUp? If you still think you have something to say to me,
>>> drop me an email.
>>
>>I'm not going to email you. This is a public discussion group.
>
> This discussion is OT here. It's a long-standing Usenet convention to
> set a follow-up to a more appropriate group or to private mail if a
> discussion goes too OT. Only trolls ignore such follow-ups _multiple
> times_. So you also want to read about netiquette.

Again, I'm not emailing you. I don't need any more spam.

> Fup2 poster (3rd try)
> Micha

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

Re: Session or browser problem??

read it and weep:

http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2646.html

There is a convention in Usenet news of using "-- " as the separator
line between the body and the signature of a message. When
generating a Format=Flowed message containing a Usenet-style
separator before the signature, the separator line is sent as-is.
This is a special case; an (optionally quoted) line consisting of
DASH DASH SP is not considered flowed.

lol.. what a maroon!

can't you fix your sig permanently? lol

"Michael Fesser" wrote in message
news:4c3ii3lebue2si81cbn5f90ja3a1pamqkh@4ax.com...
> .oO(Jackie Silva)
>
>>> You want to show me that RFC and the part where it defines what the
>>> content of a sig should be.
>>
>>are you too lazy to even google it? it's the first hit!! lol
>
> In your fantasy. There's no "usenet signature convention" RFC. Some RFCs
> mention the delimiter or the recommended size of a sig, but that's it.
>
>>i see you now have fixed your sig. good job.
>
> *ROFL*
>
> One time you complain about my name at the bottom of the posting, in
> another case it's OK just because it's followed(!) by a sig? What a
> lunatic are you?
>
> Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

a thread is a series of replies. if that confuses you, usenet is not the
place for you.

"Michael Fesser" wrote in message
news:9k3ii3hfrmb3s7f66op2nupubunnsckj83@4ax.com...
> .oO(Jackie Silva)
>
>>learn how to use the threading feature in your newsreader. it's very
>>handy.
>
> This has nothing to do with the issue of top quoting, which is like
> posting a bunch of answers above a bunch of questions - you don't know
> what belongs where.
>
> Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(Jackie Silva)

>read it and weep:
>
>http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2646.html

Section 4.3 is entirely about the sig delimiter, not its content.

>lol.. what a maroon!
>
>can't you fix your sig permanently? lol

Why should I fix something that I don't have at all? Or do you want me
to add a sig just for the sake of it? OK, here we go.

Micha

--

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(JamesCX DiPietro)

>Michael Fesser wrote:
>> .oO(JamesCX DiPietro)
>>
>>>and are actually more accessible in general than message IDs.
>>
>> Depends on the newsreader.
>
>What you don't know is that most news servers retain messages for less
>than 6 months.

I know that (we even seem to post on the same server ...)

>Google's web-accessible archive goes back 20 years. There are far more
>users with web access than NNTP access. Even users with NNTP access can
>have trouble even accessing a news: link.

That was not the point. Of course articles expire on newsservers. But
the only thing, that _uniquely_ identifies a posting forever is its
message ID.

While Google Groups is currently the biggest and most important Usenet
archive (R.I.P. DejaNews), it's not the only one. And other archives
don't care about the Google IDs. Google may vanish some day, but the
postings are still there - accessible by their message IDs.

>> Trolls always start flaming when they run out of arguments. You
>
>Your history of off-topic posting speaks for itself.

To make such a claim you would have to read all of my postings from the
last years. There are more than 12.000 of them ... good luck.

>> This discussion is OT here. It's a long-standing Usenet convention to
>> set a follow-up to a more appropriate group or to private mail if a
>> discussion goes too OT. Only trolls ignore such follow-ups _multiple
>> times_. So you also want to read about netiquette.
>
>Again, I'm not emailing you. I don't need any more spam.

Then maybe we should move to something like alt.flame?

Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

Now that you've actually read it, is should be clear why OT rants are unwelcome.

The charter defines an environment where users can post questions. Habitual trolls like Stuckle get a thrill from causing disruption.

Here's some choice coresspondences:

Stuckle: "[...] the insults are because you are too stoopid to understand anything else, Tony. People around here are laughing at you. Your stoopidity is beyond comprehension by anyone with any intellect."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.php/msg/16a23b561f7 3ce71

Stuckle: "This is really funny. You're totally ignorant, but trying to give advice. I'd recommend you stick your head back up your ass where it normally is."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.php/msg/9c040a0e05c 99bf9

Stuckle: "[...] you are too stoopid to understand an intelligent conversation."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.php/msg/8073a9d5854 3dbb6

Stuckle: "Why don't you just mind your own business, asshole."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.php/msg/0ffbcaf7cf860807

Correspondence between Fesser and Stuckle:

Fesser: "I was just posting my opinion and you're offending me again without any reason. Forgot your pills again?"
[...]
Stuckle: "No, you're arguing from your normal asinine position. We can only hope that one of these days reality will find you."
[...]
Fesser: "You didn't say anything useful at all, nor did you post any facts. You just can't accept that you were proven wrong, that's the whole point."

These clowns just go on and on.

In any case, the charter doesn't mandate any one particular posting style as
some charters might. It creates a diverse user base instead.

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(JamesCX DiPietro)
>
>>What you posted is incomplete. Read the actual charter in its entirety.
>
> The other parts were irrelevant to the issue. But since you asked for
> it:
>
>>comp.lang.php is intended to be a global forum for the discussion of
>>issues involving PHP. The ultimate goal is to create a relaxed yet helpful
>>environment in which people can seek answers to general questions about
>>PHP, specific questions regarding specific PHP functions or code snippets,
>>or topical questions.
>>
>>The posting of binaries is generally frowned upon. When posting a specific
>>question about a piece of code or a function that you are having a problem
>>with, please include in your post a section of code as small as possible
>>that illustrates the problem you are having.
>>
>>A group alt.php.sql also currently exists, but is less frequently used
>>than alt.php. Since database connectivity is a large part of PHP, it will
>>be considered topical in comp.lang.php. A comp.lang.php.sql is not deemed
>>necessary at the current point in time, however may be proposed at a later
>>point should the need arise.
>
> To repeat my question: Where does it talk about posting style or
> trolling?
>
> Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(JamesCX DiPietro)


Micha

Forget it. I had a friend who works for the FBI Computer lab run some
of the posts here through their text analysis program. There is > 80%
chance this is the same troll who was on alt.php a couple of weeks ago.

He hasn't been able to get any responses to his tirades over there, so
he came here.

Additional info - there is no record of his name or email account
anywhere in Google. He created them just to troll this group and get a
rise out of people here.

Ignore him - he can't stand being ignored.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

Re: Session or browser problem??

This is exactly why hand-editing quotes can lead to distortions. I'm not surprised Stuckle doesn't even know what he's doing wrong. Haphazardly re-arranging text within quoted excerpts is a breach of most writing guidelines.

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

Jackie Silva wrote:
> i suggest you read this and learn how to properly quote a source -
> http://www.fontbonne.edu/academics/resourcespolicies/academi cintegrity.htm
>
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> news:raWdnTS07OEjULXanZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Jackie Silva wrote:
>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>> news:apKdndXjGeYPKbXanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Jackie Silva wrote:
>>>>> "Jeff Gaines" wrote in message
>>>>> news:xn0fd3igc2joqxj000@news.individual.net...
>>>>>> On 31/10/2007 in message <13ig9nsqr2ak39d@news.supernews.com> Jackie
>>>>>> Silva wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there is no "standard" posting style as long as it's clear and
>>>>>>> understandable! top-posting is fine. bottom-posting is good too. it's
>>>>>>> a matter of individual preference.... your whining is way off-topic.
>>>>>>> this has nothing to do with the OP's question.
>>>>>> It would be more accurate to say that relative newcomers are unaware
>>>>>> of the conventions, or the reasons for them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try a Google for 'netiquette'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Jackie S
>>>>>> There's also a standard for signature separators, you don't meet that
>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
>>>>>> This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it
>>>>>
>>>>> there are multiple posting conventions used on usenet. read up:
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>>>>>
>>>>> your arguments against one posting style are based on the original
>>>> techical
>>>>> limitations of usenet.
>>>>>
>>>> (Top posting fixed)
>>>>
>>>> No, my arguments are based on the STANDARDS OF THIS GROUP.
>>>>
>>>> And idiots who refuse to follow standards don't get many responses in
>>>> this group.
>>>>
>>>> Your arguments for top posting are based on being too lazy to scroll to
>>>> the bottom of the page before you start posting.
>>>>
>>>> A. Because they're arrogant jerks.
>>>> Q. Why do they continue doing it?
>>>> A. Because it upsets the normal flow of the conversation.
>>>> Q. Why is top posting bad?
>>>> A. People who top post.
>>>> Q. Why are the most annoying people on usenet?
>>>>
>>>>
>> > why do you insist on misquoting people when you respond?
>> >
>>
>> (Top posting fixed)
>>
>> And exactly where did I misquote you? My quotes of you are *exactly* as
>> entered.
>>
>> --
>> ==================
>> Remove the "x" from my email address
>> Jerry Stuckle
>> JDS Computer Training Corp.
>> jstucklex@attglobal.net
>> ==================
>>
>
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

Michael Fesser wrote:

I didn't think of it at the time, but maybe they're both the same troll.
I'll have to have my friend run Jackie Silva's posts through his
analyzer, also, when he has time.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

Re: Session or browser problem??

OMG, you are an embarrasment. YOUR SIG IS STILL BROKEN. lmao... READ THE
FORMAT AGAIN

"Michael Fesser" wrote in message
news:7e5ii3583ghqvs6g8u7q5amdjtgrbu4lfp@4ax.com...
> .oO(Jackie Silva)
>
>>read it and weep:
>>
>>http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2646.html
>
> Section 4.3 is entirely about the sig delimiter, not its content.
>
>>lol.. what a maroon!
>>
>>can't you fix your sig permanently? lol
>
> Why should I fix something that I don't have at all? Or do you want me
> to add a sig just for the sake of it? OK, here we go.
>
> Micha
>
> --

Re: Session or browser problem??

Michael Fesser wrote:
> While Google Groups is currently the biggest and most important Usenet
> archive (R.I.P. DejaNews), it's not the only one. And other archives
> don't care about the Google IDs. Google may vanish some day, but the
> postings are still there - accessible by their message IDs.

URLs are the universally preferred hyperlinking standard. Get used to it.

> To make such a claim you would have to read all of my postings from the
> last years. There are more than 12.000 of them ... good luck.

That would be considered cruel and unusual punishment in most places. I looked at what Google says are some your recent posts which are chock full of OT nonsense.

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

Re: Session or browser problem??

As has already been pointed out, there is an enormous variety of posting styles regularly used here. The charter actually promotes open discourse which you seem hell bent on disrupting. Spamming people with your pet peeves will get you nowhere.

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Read again. There are very few top posters in this newsgroup. Most
> people follow the newsgroup standards.
>
> Right now we have two. And guess who's one of them?

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(Jackie Silva)

>OMG, you are an embarrasment. YOUR SIG IS STILL BROKEN. lmao... READ THE
>FORMAT AGAIN

My sig was correct. Empty, but correct.

Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(JamesCX DiPietro)

>Michael Fesser wrote:
>
>> To make such a claim you would have to read all of my postings from the
>> last years. There are more than 12.000 of them ... good luck.
>
>That would be considered cruel and unusual punishment in most places. I
>looked at what Google says are some your recent posts which are chock
>full of OT nonsense.

You're boring. Please leave and die. TIA

*plonk*

Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> I had a friend who works for the FBI Computer lab run some
> of the posts here through their text analysis program. There is > 80%
> chance this is the same troll who was on alt.php a couple of weeks ago.

Ahha, so your imaginary friend at the FBI crime lab dropped his important work hunting down terrorists and lent you his supercomputers for a few hours to run a text analysis on the posts in this newsgroup. Of course, that's totally plausible.

Planet Stuckleville must be an interesting place.

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)


> Michael Fesser wrote:
>> .oO(JamesCX DiPietro)
>
>
> Micha
>
> Forget it. I had a friend who works for the FBI Computer lab run some
> of the posts here through their text analysis program. There is > 80%
>
> He hasn't been able to get any responses to his tirades over there, so
> he came here.
>
> Additional info - there is no record of his name or email account
> anywhere in Google. He created them just to troll this group and get a
> rise out of people here.
>
> Ignore him - he can't stand being ignored.
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

Wow that's a fantastic theory. Maybe Fesser is really Stuckle! Let's dust his posts for fingerprints!

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Michael Fesser wrote:
>
> I didn't think of it at the time, but maybe they're both the same troll.
> I'll have to have my friend run Jackie Silva's posts through his
> analyzer, also, when he has time.
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

this is pathetic, even for stuckle...

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
news:YZ-dndgtE9g9rbTanZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comcast.com...
> Michael Fesser wrote:
>> .oO(JamesCX DiPietro)
>
>
> Micha
>
> Forget it. I had a friend who works for the FBI Computer lab run some of
> the posts here through their text analysis program. There is > 80% chance
> this is the same troll who was on alt.php a couple of weeks ago.
>
> He hasn't been able to get any responses to his tirades over there, so he
> came here.
>
> Additional info - there is no record of his name or email account anywhere
> in Google. He created them just to troll this group and get a rise out of
> people here.
>
> Ignore him - he can't stand being ignored.
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstucklex@attglobal.net
> ==================
>

Re: Session or browser problem??

Making death threats on this or any other online forum is illegal.

--
JamesCX (cdgzone at gmail.com).

Michael Fesser wrote:
> You're boring. Please leave and die. TIA
>
> *plonk*
>
> Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

that's correct. looks like my newsreader trims trailing spaces.

but you still end every post with Micha. that is your signature.

"Michael Fesser" wrote in message
news:noeii3dbobueallcg5284mh0hi5u84kgch@4ax.com...
> .oO(Jackie Silva)
>
>>OMG, you are an embarrasment. YOUR SIG IS STILL BROKEN. lmao... READ THE
>>FORMAT AGAIN
>
> My sig was correct. Empty, but correct.
>
> Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

you are supposed to have a newline before your sig block.

"Rik Wasmus" wrote in message
news:op.t02sikw05bnjuv@metallium.lan...
> So far from me, thread on ignore including some top-posters, I wish you
> all a happy, albeit useless, discussion without end.
> --
> Rik Wasmus

Re: Session or browser problem??

the very message you replied to was trimmed. here i'll paste it for you if
you're too lazy to look at what you're actually doing:

my reply:

--- begin message ---
bottom-posters often quote everything.

"Rik Wasmus" wrote in message
news:op.t02qzali5bnjuv@metallium.lan...
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:14:00 +0100, Jackie Silva
> Quoting everything is almost as bad is no quote at all
--- end message ---

your original message:

--- being message ---
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:14:00 +0100, Jackie Silva
wrote:
> there is no automatic way to trim posts.

True for most newsreaders, some of them have settings to strip certain
'levels', some of them let you select (multiple or singel portions of)
text which will be the only quotes on a reply, etc. One should always try
to trim done quotes to the essentials. Quoting everything is almost as bad
is no quote at all

> and there are times when you may
> want to quote the sig.

O sure, I've done that once or twice in my entire usenet usage. Let's trim
signatures automatically for the other 99,999% where they are NOT needed
in the quote.
--
Rik Wasmus
--- end message ---

do you now see that one is bigger than the other? for bonus, try to guess
which is trimmed. lol

> Quoting everything is almost as bad is no quote at all

your definition implies that most of Stuckle's posts are "bad".

> Topposter almost always do... Have you read your own replies?

what is a "topposter" exactly? it's "top-poster" or "top poster".

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:14:00 +0100, Jackie Silva
wrote:
> there is no automatic way to trim posts.

True for most newsreaders, some of them have settings to strip certain
'levels', some of them let you select (multiple or singel portions of)
text which will be the only quotes on a reply, etc. One should always try
to trim done quotes to the essentials. Quoting everything is almost as bad
is no quote at all

> and there are times when you may
> want to quote the sig.

O sure, I've done that once or twice in my entire usenet usage. Let's trim
signatures automatically for the other 99,999% where they are NOT needed
in the quote.
--
Rik Wasmus


"Rik Wasmus" wrote in message
news:op.t02snnlr5bnjuv@metallium.lan...
>> "Rik Wasmus" wrote in message
>> news:op.t02qzali5bnjuv@metallium.lan...
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:14:00 +0100, Jackie Silva
>>> Quoting everything is almost as bad is no quote at all
>> bottom-posters often quote everything.
>
> Topposter almost always do... Have you read your own replies?
> --
> Rik Wasmus

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(JamesCX DiPietro)

>Making death threats on this or any other online forum is illegal.

It was a request, not a threat. Like the German "Geh sterben."
Quite common in discussions with peo^Wthings like you.

Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

..oO(Jackie Silva)

>that's correct. looks like my newsreader trims trailing spaces.
>
>but you still end every post with Micha. that is your signature.

I've already explained it. If you don't get it - your problem.

Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

your name at the end of every message is your signature. just follow the
usenet sig conventions as you were told.

"Michael Fesser" wrote in message
news:dlpii31mbahna0qh5hg7nrpvqt7cb5ac9l@4ax.com...
> .oO(Jackie Silva)
>
>>that's correct. looks like my newsreader trims trailing spaces.
>>
>>but you still end every post with Micha. that is your signature.
>
> I've already explained it. If you don't get it - your problem.
>
> Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

That's not how the law sees it. You are very clearly threatening me. A death threat is a death threat, whether or not you add the world "please" to it or not. I suggest you cool down. You're obviously severly agitated.

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(JamesCX DiPietro)
>
>>Making death threats on this or any other online forum is illegal.
>
> It was a request, not a threat. Like the German "Geh sterben."
> Quite common in discussions with peo^Wthings like you.
>
> Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

a signature is by definition personalized. you can put anything you want in
it. most people put their name.

if you're going to sign every post, at least use the standard sig
convention.

>>read it and weep:
>>
>>http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2646.html
>
> Section 4.3 is entirely about the sig delimiter, not its content.
>
>>lol.. what a maroon!
>>
>>can't you fix your sig permanently? lol
>
> Why should I fix something that I don't have at all? Or do you want me
> to add a sig just for the sake of it? OK, here we go.
>
> Micha
>
> --

Re: Session or browser problem??

Fesser in any language means Arschloch. lol

"Michael Fesser" wrote
> It was a request, not a threat. Like the German "Geh sterben."
> Quite common in discussions with peo^Wthings like you.
>
> Micha

Re: Session or browser problem??

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Yes, there is, and you have to look at each newsgroup. The standard in
> this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven posting.
>
> It's a matter of *group* preference, not *individual* preference.
>
> But continue top posting - you won't get a lot of response.
>
> And your comment added absolutely nothing to the conversation - except
> to show you don't understand what you're doing.
>

I want to apologize to Jerry Stuckle (jstuckle), Michael Fesser
(netizen), Rik Wasmus (luiheidsgoeroe), Good Man (heyho), and
anyone else who may have read this thread and found what I posted
objectionable. It was not my intention to offend anyone, but I see
that my behavior was unacceptable, off-topic, and rude.

I was way out of line. The group's regulars are of course right,
and I Was wrong. The Usenet standard and this group's standard is
bottom-posting or interwoven posting. Top-posting is ill-advised
for reasons that have been stated.

I'm sorry for any inconvenience or offense this thread may
may have caused. Please disregard my previous posts.

--
JamesCX DiPietro (cdgzone at gmail.com)

Re: Session or browser problem??

JamesCX DiPietro wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Yes, there is, and you have to look at each newsgroup. The standard
>> in this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven posting.
>>
>> It's a matter of *group* preference, not *individual* preference.
>>
>> But continue top posting - you won't get a lot of response.
>>
>> And your comment added absolutely nothing to the conversation -
>> except to show you don't understand what you're doing.
>>
>
> I want to apologize to Jerry Stuckle (jstuckle), Michael Fesser
> (netizen), Rik Wasmus (luiheidsgoeroe), Good Man (heyho), and
> anyone else who may have read this thread and found what I posted
> objectionable. It was not my intention to offend anyone, but I see
> that my behavior was unacceptable, off-topic, and rude.
>
> I was way out of line. The group's regulars are of course right,
> and I Was wrong. The Usenet standard and this group's standard is
> bottom-posting or interwoven posting. Top-posting is ill-advised
> for reasons that have been stated.
>
> I'm sorry for any inconvenience or offense this thread may
> may have caused. Please disregard my previous posts.

Wow! I have rarely seen an apology on the net, and certainly none so
abject. Kudos.

--
Shelly

Re: Session or browser problem??

"JamesCX DiPietro" wrote in message
news:5oufeuFod98cU1@mid.individual.net...
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Yes, there is, and you have to look at each newsgroup. The standard in
>> this newsgroup is bottom or interwoven posting.
>
> I want to apologize to Jerry Stuckle (jstuckle), Michael Fesser
> (netizen), Rik Wasmus (luiheidsgoeroe), Good Man (heyho), and
> anyone else who may have read this thread and found what I posted
> objectionable. It was not my intention to offend anyone, but I see
> that my behavior was unacceptable, off-topic, and rude.
>
> I was way out of line. The group's regulars are of course right,
> and I Was wrong. The Usenet standard and this group's standard is
> bottom-posting or interwoven posting. Top-posting is ill-advised
> for reasons that have been stated.
>
> I'm sorry for any inconvenience or offense this thread may
> may have caused. Please disregard my previous posts.

me too... i'm sorry i was such a lame-ass troll. Jerry Stuckle, Michael
Fesser, AnrDaemon, and Jeff Gaines are all good folks. just ignore whatever
i said... i know how the correct way to post is now. i hope you guys can
forgive me for being such a lamer......

--
Jackie Silva