IE hiding drop down submenus

In IE (7) the drop down submenus are hiding behind the element below it.
They work fine in Firefox and Opera. I researched this issue on the web and
found suggestions to state position and z-index in the css file. I already
had position: relavive and a z-index set as high as 500. I changed to
position: absolute, but that didn't help.

Here are the important parts of the css file and style in the hope that
someone can see something. The submenu is class item2 and the next element
is item-03. I've include snippets of code, css and in-line style.

menu code snippet:
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Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:44:51
GMT Shelly scribed:

> In IE (7) the drop down submenus are hiding behind the element below
> it. They work fine in Firefox and Opera. I researched this issue on
> the web and found suggestions to state position and z-index in the css
> file. I already had position: relavive and a z-index set as high as
> 500. I changed to position: absolute, but that didn't help.
>
> Here are the important parts of the css file and style in the hope
> that someone can see something.

I see that you didn't post a url but instead posted these useless snippets
which I shall forebearingly snip in the interests of posterity.

> snip

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Bone Ur
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.

Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

Bone Ur wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 06 Nov 2007
> 13:44:51 GMT Shelly scribed:
>
>> In IE (7) the drop down submenus are hiding behind the element below
>> it. They work fine in Firefox and Opera. I researched this issue on
>> the web and found suggestions to state position and z-index in the
>> css file. I already had position: relavive and a z-index set as
>> high as 500. I changed to position: absolute, but that didn't help.
>>
>> Here are the important parts of the css file and style in the hope
>> that someone can see something.
>
> I see that you didn't post a url but instead posted these useless
> snippets which I shall forebearingly snip in the interests of
> posterity.

OK, Cheeky, I have participated in news groups before and given plenty of
help to people in the past so I am no newcomer to this type of thing. The
protocol in the various newsgroups has always been to eliminate a direct
reference to a particular site in the interest of protecting the client.
That is why I didn't post the URL. Maybe it is different in THIS newsgroup,
but I would be surprised if it is.

That said, I posted the other than "useless" snippets. They pertain
directly to the suggestions for a fix that I found on the net. I posted
them because they already include those suggestions (high z-order, including
a position attribute). I had hoped that someone with some other than snide
complaining might be able to see something or suggest something. Meanwhile,
you needn't "bust mah britches".

If it is absolutely necessary to post a URL, I will go through the tedious
labor of porting the stuff to a different site, blacking out client content,
and then posting that URL.

Shelly

Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

Shelly wrote:
> Bone Ur wrote:
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 06 Nov 2007
>> 13:44:51 GMT Shelly scribed:
>>
>>> In IE (7) the drop down submenus are hiding behind the element below
>>> it. They work fine in Firefox and Opera. I researched this issue on
>>> the web and found suggestions to state position and z-index in the
>>> css file. I already had position: relavive and a z-index set as
>>> high as 500. I changed to position: absolute, but that didn't help.
>>>
>>> Here are the important parts of the css file and style in the hope
>>> that someone can see something.
>>
>> I see that you didn't post a url but instead posted these useless
>> snippets which I shall forebearingly snip in the interests of
>> posterity.

OK, I have proted it. The URL to look at is www.sheldonlg.com/test.html

In Internet explorer, the drop down falls behind the text whereas in Firefox
amd Opera it covers the text.

Shelly

Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

I don't see the problem with what you have but all my menu navigation
needs are typically solved by Dynamic Drive.
http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex1/indexb.html

Good luck

--
Dan
http://www.universepoint.com

Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

upwebadmin wrote:
> I don't see the problem with what you have but all my menu navigation
> needs are typically solved by Dynamic Drive.
> http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex1/indexb.html
>
> Good luck

If you click on "Services" the drop down menu falls behind "Test that is for
testing". In Firefox and Opera it covers that text. I am using IE 7.0.

When there is more text, it will completely hide the drop down menu. Again,
the url is www.sheldonlg.com/test.html

Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

Shelly wrote:

> OK, I have proted it. The URL to look at is
> www.sheldonlg.com/test.html

Dropdown? Oh wait. JavaScript must be available. There goes ~10% of
your visitors, plus the Googlebot, who won't be able to navigate your
site. Are you sure you want that? It's like turning off your web server
for a month every year.

> In Internet explorer, the drop down falls behind the text whereas in
> Firefox amd Opera it covers the text.

You should add a proper DOCTYPE to take IE out of Quirks Mode first,
then see what it does.

"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

Remove those HTML comment markers from your styles.
No need for that Netscape 4 DreamWeaver script to reload the page. NN 4
is used so seldom these days as to warrant not even considering it.

There are other errors.



You say: .ddmx { font: 12px tahoma; ...
Read this, please: http://k75s.home.att.net/fontsize.html

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Shelly wrote:
>
>> OK, I have proted it. The URL to look at is
>> www.sheldonlg.com/test.html
>
> Dropdown? Oh wait. JavaScript must be available. There goes ~10% of
> your visitors, plus the Googlebot, who won't be able to navigate your
> site. Are you sure you want that? It's like turning off your web
> server for a month every year.

This is a customer requirement. 'Nuff said. Do you know of another way to
have dropdown menus WITHOUT Javascript? I'm open to suggestions, but
dropdowns are a must.

>
>> In Internet explorer, the drop down falls behind the text whereas in
>> Firefox amd Opera it covers the text.
>
> You should add a proper DOCTYPE to take IE out of Quirks Mode first,
> then see what it does.
>
> > "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

I'll do this.

>
> Remove those HTML comment markers from your styles.
> No need for that Netscape 4 DreamWeaver script to reload the page. NN
> 4 is used so seldom these days as to warrant not even considering it.

OK.

>
> There are other errors.
>
>
>
> You say: .ddmx { font: 12px tahoma; ...
> Read this, please: http://k75s.home.att.net/fontsize.html

Thanks. I'll report back.

Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Shelly wrote:
>
>> OK, I have proted it. The URL to look at is
>> www.sheldonlg.com/test.html
>
> Dropdown? Oh wait. JavaScript must be available. There goes ~10% of
> your visitors, plus the Googlebot, who won't be able to navigate your
> site. Are you sure you want that? It's like turning off your web
> server for a month every year.
>
>> In Internet explorer, the drop down falls behind the text whereas in
>> Firefox amd Opera it covers the text.
>
> You should add a proper DOCTYPE to take IE out of Quirks Mode first,
> then see what it does.
>
> > "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
>
> Remove those HTML comment markers from your styles.
> No need for that Netscape 4 DreamWeaver script to reload the page. NN
> 4 is used so seldom these days as to warrant not even considering it.
>
> There are other errors.
>
>
>
> You say: .ddmx { font: 12px tahoma; ...
> Read this, please: http://k75s.home.att.net/fontsize.html

I fixed all those errors and it still has the problem
(www.sheldonlg.com/test.html)/ As for fixed pixel size, I agree, but that
is not what I am trying to fix here first.

Shelly

Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

Shelly wrote:

> This is a customer requirement. 'Nuff said. Do you know of another way to
> have dropdown menus WITHOUT Javascript? I'm open to suggestions, but
> dropdowns are a must.

A must? Oh pshaw. I think they are quite annoying, as they flash about
as I move the mouse from, say, scrollbar to Back button. I guess your
customer is more interested in the glitz. :-(

A few seconds at Google turns up these, and there are lots more:

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/horizdropdowns
http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/final_drop.html
http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/menus/demo.html
http://www.seoconsultants.com/css/menus/tutorial/
http://www.opencube.com/

Now, I have not tried any of these, because I have always been able to
talk my clients out of using them. Usually by taking them to a site like
http://mlb.com or
http://www.accuweather.com/
and waving the mouse around a bit.

They are also very difficult to use for anyone with motor deficiencies,
or blind users, or people with text-only browsers, etc etc. Hopefully,
no visitors who operate their computers by using a pencil in their mouth
will visit your site. :-/

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

Shelly wrote:
> upwebadmin wrote:
>> I don't see the problem with what you have but all my menu navigation
>> needs are typically solved by Dynamic Drive.
>> http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex1/indexb.html
>>
>> Good luck
>
> If you click on "Services" the drop down menu falls behind "Test that is for
> testing". In Firefox and Opera it covers that text. I am using IE 7.0.
>
> When there is more text, it will completely hide the drop down menu. Again,
> the url is www.sheldonlg.com/test.html
>
>

Firstly, your using way to many absolutely positioned blocks. You layout
is very brittle, seems to relate to an argument in another recent thread.

Anyway for what it's worth:

1) Remove all references to "z-index" in your stylesheet
2) Remove absolute positioning on your "hidden" DIV

From:
#index-01 {
position:absolute;
left:0px;
top:0px;
width:750px;
height:101px;
border-right: 2px solid #7C6736;
}

#index-03 {
position:absolute;
left:0px;
top:134px;
width:750px;
height:436px;
border-right: 2px solid #7C6736;
}

#index-06 {
position:absolute;
left:0px;
top:101px;
width:750px;
height:33px;
border-right: 2px solid #7C6736;
}

To:
#index-01, #index-03, #index-06 {
margin: 0;
width:750px;
border-right: 2px solid #7C6736;
}
#index-01 { height:101px; }
#index-03 { height:436px; }
#index-06 { height:33px; }


--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

Thank you. That did it!

Shelly

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Shelly wrote:
>> upwebadmin wrote:
>>> I don't see the problem with what you have but all my menu
>>> navigation needs are typically solved by Dynamic Drive.
>>> http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex1/indexb.html
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>
>> If you click on "Services" the drop down menu falls behind "Test
>> that is for testing". In Firefox and Opera it covers that text. I
>> am using IE 7.0. When there is more text, it will completely hide the
>> drop down menu.
>> Again, the url is www.sheldonlg.com/test.html
>>
>>
>
> Firstly, your using way to many absolutely positioned blocks. You
> layout is very brittle, seems to relate to an argument in another
> recent thread.
> Anyway for what it's worth:
>
> 1) Remove all references to "z-index" in your stylesheet
> 2) Remove absolute positioning on your "hidden" DIV
>
> From:
> #index-01 {
> position:absolute;
> left:0px;
> top:0px;
> width:750px;
> height:101px;
> border-right: 2px solid #7C6736;
> }
>
> #index-03 {
> position:absolute;
> left:0px;
> top:134px;
> width:750px;
> height:436px;
> border-right: 2px solid #7C6736;
> }
>
> #index-06 {
> position:absolute;
> left:0px;
> top:101px;
> width:750px;
> height:33px;
> border-right: 2px solid #7C6736;
> }
>
> To:
> #index-01, #index-03, #index-06 {
> margin: 0;
> width:750px;
> border-right: 2px solid #7C6736;
> }
> #index-01 { height:101px; }
> #index-03 { height:436px; }
> #index-06 { height:33px; }

Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

Shelly wrote:
> Thank you. That did it!

A bit of advice: when in doubt, don't use position: absolute. Let the
content flow whenever possible.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:58:14
GMT Shelly scribed:

>>>> In IE (7) the drop down submenus are hiding behind the element
>>>> below it. They work fine in Firefox and Opera. I researched this
>>>> issue on the web and found suggestions to state position and
>>>> z-index in the css file. I already had position: relavive and a
>>>> z-index set as high as 500. I changed to position: absolute, but
>>>> that didn't help.
>>>>
>>>> Here are the important parts of the css file and style in the hope
>>>> that someone can see something.
>>>
>>> I see that you didn't post a url but instead posted these useless
>>> snippets which I shall forebearingly snip in the interests of
>>> posterity.
>
> OK, I have proted it. The URL to look at is
> www.sheldonlg.com/test.html
>
> In Internet explorer, the drop down falls behind the text whereas in
> Firefox amd Opera it covers the text.

? I don't see it...

I even looked further in this thread, reading:

> If you click on "Services" the drop down menu falls behind "Test that
is > for testing". In Firefox and Opera it covers that text. I am using
IE
> 7.0.
>
> When there is more text, it will completely hide the drop down menu.

In both ie6 and 7 on my box the dropdown is in front of the text (-as in
opera and ff.) However, it appears not when i "click" on "Services" but
when I hover over it, and clicking on it has no effect.

However, I know you've made some changes since first-post.

--
Bone Ur
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.

Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

"Shelly" wrote in message
news:13j0s7tn5t7c1a3@corp.supernews.com...
> In IE (7) the drop down submenus are hiding behind the element below it.
> They work fine in Firefox and Opera. I researched this issue on the web
> and found suggestions to state position and z-index in the css file. I
> already had position: relavive and a z-index set as high as 500. I
> changed to position: absolute, but that didn't help.
>
> Here are the important parts of the css file and style in the hope that
> someone can see something. The submenu is class item2 and the next
> element is item-03. I've include snippets of code, css and in-line style.
>
> menu code snippet:
> ==============
>
>
>

Re: IE hiding drop down submenus

In article <13j1800ampe48c2@corp.supernews.com>,
"Shelly" wrote:

> If it is absolutely necessary to post a URL, I will go through the tedious
> labor of porting the stuff to a different site, blacking out client content,
> and then posting that URL.

My sympathies. I think different people here have different
reactions to quoting lots of code. Perhaps if you really find it
hard to isolate the trouble a bit and just post that bit as a url
on say a free server or your own, then a short explanation of
your difficulties might soften hard hearts...

--
dorayme