I think we should take all the flaming liberals and send them to California.
Then we NUKE the San Andreas fault and watch Ca. float out into the
Pacific...
Then Hilary can be the first President of The Peoples Republic of
California.
There won't be any Republicans there to bother you there...or pay taxes to
bail your dumb azz out either.
"HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
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Not Me wrote:
> I think we should take all the flaming liberals and send them to California.
What do you have against gay democrats?
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Not Me wrote:
> I think we should take all the flaming liberals and send them to California.
> Then we NUKE the San Andreas fault and watch Ca. float out into the
> Pacific...
> Then Hilary can be the first President of The Peoples Republic of
> California.
> There won't be any Republicans there to bother you there...or pay taxes to
> bail your dumb azz out either.
>
> "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
> news:bmJ_i.14213$xa2.8545@read2.cgocable.net...
>
>
And you'll soon be wanting the liberals back next time you decide to
organize a war but lack the "Grunts" to fight it on your behalf...
:)
You can ask for billions to continue a war yet refuse to buy healthcare
for American kids and then try to short change the Veterans returning
from the war you created.
How many years of taxes will it take to pay off the monster debt the
Republicans have created?
HERK may be an idiot, but he is not alone: :)
Charlie Tame wrote:
>
>
> And you'll soon be wanting the liberals back next time you decide to
> organize a war but lack the "Grunts" to fight it on your behalf...
Ah, but they don't fight. We learned in Viet Nam. The liberal "grunts" just
bug out and smoke dope. Now we want warriors, people who get a kick out of
living a righteous life and get their enjoyment from killing people who
deserve killing and blowing things up. Please note that 85% of the soldiers
and marines who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan have re-enlisted (the
remaining 15% include deaths, retirements, the severely wounded, and those
pussy-whipped by fishwives).
>
> You can ask for billions to continue a war yet refuse to buy
> healthcare for American kids and then try to short change the
> Veterans returning from the war you created.
No child in the US is without healthcare. The left confuses health INSURANCE
with health CARE. If you insist on insurance for children, put the parents
in jail who can afford the insurance but refuse to enroll.
>
> How many years of taxes will it take to pay off the monster debt the
> Republicans have created?
Not long. both the deficit and the total debt, as a percentage of the GDP,
are nowhere near the largest they've ever been.
Maybe You Should Move To Illinois Because You Are A Dumb Ass - Just FYI.
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"Not Me"
news:eyhqJR2JIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I think we should take all the flaming liberals and send them to
>California.
> Then we NUKE the San Andreas fault and watch Ca. float out into the
> Pacific...
> Then Hilary can be the first President of The Peoples Republic of
> California.
> There won't be any Republicans there to bother you there...or pay taxes to
> bail your dumb azz out either.
>
> "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
> message news:bmJ_i.14213$xa2.8545@read2.cgocable.net...
>
HeyBub wrote:
> Charlie Tame wrote:
>>
>> And you'll soon be wanting the liberals back next time you decide to
>> organize a war but lack the "Grunts" to fight it on your behalf...
>
> Ah, but they don't fight. We learned in Viet Nam. The liberal "grunts" just
> bug out and smoke dope. Now we want warriors, people who get a kick out of
> living a righteous life and get their enjoyment from killing people who
> deserve killing and blowing things up. Please note that 85% of the soldiers
> and marines who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan have re-enlisted (the
> remaining 15% include deaths, retirements, the severely wounded, and those
> pussy-whipped by fishwives).
>
>
>
>> You can ask for billions to continue a war yet refuse to buy
>> healthcare for American kids and then try to short change the
>> Veterans returning from the war you created.
>
> No child in the US is without healthcare. The left confuses health INSURANCE
> with health CARE. If you insist on insurance for children, put the parents
> in jail who can afford the insurance but refuse to enroll.
>
>> How many years of taxes will it take to pay off the monster debt the
>> Republicans have created?
>
> Not long. both the deficit and the total debt, as a percentage of the GDP,
> are nowhere near the largest they've ever been.
>
>
>
Nice to know there are still those out there with strength of purpose,
who, when in a hole, realize that the way out may be to keep digging, in
the sure an certain belief that being a (nearly) spherical planet
there's sure to be a way out on the opposite side.
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:36:58 -0600, "HeyBub"
>Charlie Tame wrote:
>>
>>
>> And you'll soon be wanting the liberals back next time you decide to
>> organize a war but lack the "Grunts" to fight it on your behalf...
>
>Ah, but they don't fight. We learned in Viet Nam. The liberal "grunts" just
>bug out and smoke dope. Now we want warriors, people who get a kick out of
>living a righteous life and get their enjoyment from killing people who
>deserve killing and blowing things up. Please note that 85% of the soldiers
>and marines who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan have re-enlisted (the
>remaining 15% include deaths, retirements, the severely wounded, and those
>pussy-whipped by fishwives).
>
Thanks for sharing you're one fu*ked up right wing asshole, but we
already knew that.
>> You can ask for billions to continue a war yet refuse to buy
>> healthcare for American kids and then try to short change the
>> Veterans returning from the war you created.
>
>No child in the US is without healthcare. The left confuses health INSURANCE
>with health CARE. If you insist on insurance for children, put the parents
>in jail who can afford the insurance but refuse to enroll.
Another sure sign you're just another mental midget. Over 45 million
Americans can't afford health insurance. That's a FACT you clueless
dummy. It is also a fact over a million AMERICAN children go to bed
hungry every night while asshole Bush blows 2 billion a week on his
unnecessary war.
>>
>> How many years of taxes will it take to pay off the monster debt the
>> Republicans have created?
>
>Not long. both the deficit and the total debt, as a percentage of the GDP,
>are nowhere near the largest they've ever been.
You brainless dickhead, you're a dittohead aren't you. Sounds like a
page out of Rush Limbaugh's play book. You're hero no doubt. All right
wingers worship the 3 times divorced, drug abusing liar and psycho.
I'm guessing you might have served in Vietnam, well while you were a
lot of the fat cat Repugs had excuses. Cheney said he had better
things to do. Bush had his daddy put him in the Texas National Guard
which he ran away from after failing to report for a physical and
Limbaugh his a pimple on his butt he used to dodge the draft. Talk
about fools. You worship these creeps. Pathetic.
HeyBub wrote:
> Charlie Tame wrote:
>>
>> And you'll soon be wanting the liberals back next time you decide to
>> organize a war but lack the "Grunts" to fight it on your behalf...
>
> Ah, but they don't fight. We learned in Viet Nam. The liberal "grunts" just
> bug out and smoke dope. Now we want warriors, people who get a kick out of
> living a righteous life and get their enjoyment from killing people who
> deserve killing and blowing things up. Please note that 85% of the soldiers
> and marines who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan have re-enlisted (the
> remaining 15% include deaths, retirements, the severely wounded, and those
> pussy-whipped by fishwives).
Yeah, the sick crusader mentality. I bet you think killing women and
children is cool too. They reenlisted because there isn't too much
demand for KILLERS in the job market.
>
>
>
>> You can ask for billions to continue a war yet refuse to buy
>> healthcare for American kids and then try to short change the
>> Veterans returning from the war you created.
>
> No child in the US is without healthcare. The left confuses health INSURANCE
> with health CARE. If you insist on insurance for children, put the parents
> in jail who can afford the insurance but refuse to enroll.
43 MILLION Americans have no health coverage. That's pathetic.
>
>> How many years of taxes will it take to pay off the monster debt the
>> Republicans have created?
>
> Not long. both the deficit and the total debt, as a percentage of the GDP,
> are nowhere near the largest they've ever been.
And no where near the surplus that Clinton handed the current IDIOT in
the White House.
Alias
Alias wrote:
>
>> Ah, but they don't fight. We learned in Viet Nam. The liberal
>> "grunts" just bug out and smoke dope. Now we want warriors, people
>> who get a kick out of living a righteous life and get their
>> enjoyment from killing people who deserve killing and blowing things
>> up. Please note that 85% of the soldiers and marines who have served
>> in Iraq or Afghanistan have re-enlisted (the remaining 15% include
>> deaths, retirements, the severely wounded, and those pussy-whipped
>> by fishwives).
>
> Yeah, the sick crusader mentality. I bet you think killing women and
> children is cool too. They reenlisted because there isn't too much
> demand for KILLERS in the job market.
Me? If the women and children need killing, sure. Like a burqua-clad bomber
or a 7-year-old running toward my position with a grenade in each hand.
But the bigger question for the average American is: "Do you want the
killers in be in Iraq, indulging their desires on women and children there,
or back here in your neighborhood?"
>>> You can ask for billions to continue a war yet refuse to buy
>>> healthcare for American kids and then try to short change the
>>> Veterans returning from the war you created.
>>
>> No child in the US is without healthcare. The left confuses health
>> INSURANCE with health CARE. If you insist on insurance for children,
>> put the parents in jail who can afford the insurance but refuse to
>> enroll.
>
> 43 MILLION Americans have no health coverage. That's pathetic.
Wrong again. 43 million have no health INSURANCE. Of these (according to the
US Census bureau):
* 7 million are illegal immigrants
* 9 million are on Medicaid
* 3.5 million are eligible for government aide but have not applied
* 20 million live in homes where incomes are twice the poverty level
($41,000 for a family of four).
That totals 39.5 million, leaving 4.5 million who possibly need insurance
but don't have it. Of these, an unknown number are between jobs or
eligibility requirements.
>>
>>> How many years of taxes will it take to pay off the monster debt the
>>> Republicans have created?
>>
>> Not long. both the deficit and the total debt, as a percentage of
>> the GDP, are nowhere near the largest they've ever been.
>
> And no where near the surplus that Clinton handed the current IDIOT in
> the White House.
>
The last years of the Clinton administration did, indeed, generate a
surplus, due, in part, to the "Peace Dividend" and higher taxes.
The thing about taxes is the effect on the government and individuals is
immediate, the effect on the economy takes a bit to latch in. When taxes are
raised, for instance, the government gets more money almost immediately. It
takes time for individuals and corporations to re-adjust their tax strategy
to account for the changes. In a year, or two, or three, these individual
decisions, in the aggregate, have a profound effect on the economy.
In the early days of the Clinton administration, a "luxury tax" was imposed
on the rich. As an example, a 50% tax on yachts was imposed. The government
collected bags of money on the sale of yachts - but only those yachts in the
building/purchasing pipeline. Within a year, the American yacht-building
business was out of business, putting some 2000 people out of work. The rich
simply starting buying their boats in the Bahamas.
The luxury tax was repealed.
HeyBub wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>>> Ah, but they don't fight. We learned in Viet Nam. The liberal
>>> "grunts" just bug out and smoke dope. Now we want warriors, people
>>> who get a kick out of living a righteous life and get their
>>> enjoyment from killing people who deserve killing and blowing things
>>> up. Please note that 85% of the soldiers and marines who have served
>>> in Iraq or Afghanistan have re-enlisted (the remaining 15% include
>>> deaths, retirements, the severely wounded, and those pussy-whipped
>>> by fishwives).
>> Yeah, the sick crusader mentality. I bet you think killing women and
>> children is cool too. They reenlisted because there isn't too much
>> demand for KILLERS in the job market.
>
> Me? If the women and children need killing, sure. Like a burqua-clad bomber
> or a 7-year-old running toward my position with a grenade in each hand.
>
> But the bigger question for the average American is: "Do you want the
> killers in be in Iraq, indulging their desires on women and children there,
> or back here in your neighborhood?"
>
>>>> You can ask for billions to continue a war yet refuse to buy
>>>> healthcare for American kids and then try to short change the
>>>> Veterans returning from the war you created.
>>> No child in the US is without healthcare. The left confuses health
>>> INSURANCE with health CARE. If you insist on insurance for children,
>>> put the parents in jail who can afford the insurance but refuse to
>>> enroll.
>> 43 MILLION Americans have no health coverage. That's pathetic.
>
> Wrong again. 43 million have no health INSURANCE. Of these (according to the
> US Census bureau):
>
> * 7 million are illegal immigrants
> * 9 million are on Medicaid
> * 3.5 million are eligible for government aide but have not applied
> * 20 million live in homes where incomes are twice the poverty level
> ($41,000 for a family of four).
>
> That totals 39.5 million, leaving 4.5 million who possibly need insurance
> but don't have it. Of these, an unknown number are between jobs or
> eligibility requirements.
>
>>>> How many years of taxes will it take to pay off the monster debt the
>>>> Republicans have created?
>>> Not long. both the deficit and the total debt, as a percentage of
>>> the GDP, are nowhere near the largest they've ever been.
>> And no where near the surplus that Clinton handed the current IDIOT in
>> the White House.
>>
>
> The last years of the Clinton administration did, indeed, generate a
> surplus, due, in part, to the "Peace Dividend" and higher taxes.
>
> The thing about taxes is the effect on the government and individuals is
> immediate, the effect on the economy takes a bit to latch in. When taxes are
> raised, for instance, the government gets more money almost immediately. It
> takes time for individuals and corporations to re-adjust their tax strategy
> to account for the changes. In a year, or two, or three, these individual
> decisions, in the aggregate, have a profound effect on the economy.
>
> In the early days of the Clinton administration, a "luxury tax" was imposed
> on the rich. As an example, a 50% tax on yachts was imposed. The government
> collected bags of money on the sale of yachts - but only those yachts in the
> building/purchasing pipeline. Within a year, the American yacht-building
> business was out of business, putting some 2000 people out of work. The rich
> simply starting buying their boats in the Bahamas.
>
> The luxury tax was repealed.
>
>
>
You don't know what you're talking about and it's people like you that
make this a dangerous world. Iraq was the best present that Osama Bin
Laden ever received. Hugo Chavez is really happy with the resultant oil
price as is Iran, you idiot!
Alias
"Alias"
> HeyBub wrote:
>> Charlie Tame wrote:
>>>
>>> And you'll soon be wanting the liberals back next time you decide to
>>> organize a war but lack the "Grunts" to fight it on your behalf...
>>
>> Ah, but they don't fight. We learned in Viet Nam. The liberal "grunts" just
>> bug out and smoke dope. Now we want warriors, people who get a kick out of
>> living a righteous life and get their enjoyment from killing people who
>> deserve killing and blowing things up. Please note that 85% of the soldiers
>> and marines who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan have re-enlisted (the
>> remaining 15% include deaths, retirements, the severely wounded, and those
>> pussy-whipped by fishwives).
>
> Yeah, the sick crusader mentality. I bet you think killing women and
> children is cool too. They reenlisted because there isn't too much
> demand for KILLERS in the job market.
>>> You can ask for billions to continue a war yet refuse to buy
>>> healthcare for American kids and then try to short change the
>>> Veterans returning from the war you created.
>>
>> No child in the US is without healthcare. The left confuses health INSURANCE
>> with health CARE. If you insist on insurance for children, put the parents
>> in jail who can afford the insurance but refuse to enroll.
>
> 43 MILLION Americans have no health coverage. That's pathetic.
>
>>
>>> How many years of taxes will it take to pay off the monster debt the
>>> Republicans have created?
>>
>> Not long. both the deficit and the total debt, as a percentage of the GDP,
>> are nowhere near the largest they've ever been.
> And no where near the surplus that Clinton handed the current IDIOT in
> the White House.
Actually, it was the combined efforts of Republicans, Clinton, and an
over heated economy that helped produce those budget surpluses.
Republicans controlled both Houses the last six years of Clinton's
presidency. It is the House of Reps that technically control the purse
strings of the USA. The Republicans even allowed the federal government
to shutdown twice over budget battles. Republicans pushed through
the "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996"
(Welfare Reform Act) which Clinton signed, and which upset many Democrats.
Fiscally speaking, Clinton was the last Republican to be President... so the joke goes.
Unfortunately, since President Bush has been in office, Congress has abdicated
its role of checks and balances.... particularly, the once fiscally conservative
Republicans that once were more than happy to go toe toe with Clinton,
they simply rolled over for Bush. Of course, the Democrats could have shown
much more backbone... on several issues. The Democrats took the time
to filibuster some federal judge appointment, but run away from budgetary
battles and issues of war. Since the Democrats regained the House and Senate,
it all still looks the same to me.
-Michael
MICHAEL wrote:
> "Alias"
> news:fhk0v1$pv5$1@aioe.org...
>> HeyBub wrote:
>>> Charlie Tame wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And you'll soon be wanting the liberals back next time you decide to
>>>> organize a war but lack the "Grunts" to fight it on your behalf...
>>>
>>> Ah, but they don't fight. We learned in Viet Nam. The liberal
>>> "grunts" just bug out and smoke dope. Now we want warriors, people
>>> who get a kick out of living a righteous life and get their enjoyment
>>> from killing people who deserve killing and blowing things up. Please
>>> note that 85% of the soldiers and marines who have served in Iraq or
>>> Afghanistan have re-enlisted (the remaining 15% include deaths,
>>> retirements, the severely wounded, and those pussy-whipped by
>>> fishwives).
>>
>> Yeah, the sick crusader mentality. I bet you think killing women and
>> children is cool too. They reenlisted because there isn't too much
>> demand for KILLERS in the job market.
>>>> You can ask for billions to continue a war yet refuse to buy
>>>> healthcare for American kids and then try to short change the
>>>> Veterans returning from the war you created.
>>>
>>> No child in the US is without healthcare. The left confuses health
>>> INSURANCE with health CARE. If you insist on insurance for children,
>>> put the parents in jail who can afford the insurance but refuse to
>>> enroll.
>>
>> 43 MILLION Americans have no health coverage. That's pathetic.
>>
>>>
>>>> How many years of taxes will it take to pay off the monster debt the
>>>> Republicans have created?
>>>
>>> Not long. both the deficit and the total debt, as a percentage of the
>>> GDP, are nowhere near the largest they've ever been.
>
>> And no where near the surplus that Clinton handed the current IDIOT in
>> the White House.
>
> Actually, it was the combined efforts of Republicans, Clinton, and an
> over heated economy that helped produce those budget surpluses.
> Republicans controlled both Houses the last six years of Clinton's
> presidency. It is the House of Reps that technically control the purse
> strings of the USA. The Republicans even allowed the federal government
> to shutdown twice over budget battles. Republicans pushed through
> the "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of
> 1996"
> (Welfare Reform Act) which Clinton signed, and which upset many Democrats.
> Fiscally speaking, Clinton was the last Republican to be President... so
> the joke goes.
>
> Unfortunately, since President Bush has been in office, Congress has
> abdicated
> its role of checks and balances.... particularly, the once fiscally
> conservative
> Republicans that once were more than happy to go toe toe with Clinton,
> they simply rolled over for Bush. Of course, the Democrats could have
> shown
> much more backbone... on several issues. The Democrats took the time
> to filibuster some federal judge appointment, but run away from budgetary
> battles and issues of war. Since the Democrats regained the House and
> Senate,
> it all still looks the same to me.
>
>
> -Michael
>
>
Really, in which war was the Clinton administration wasting billions of
dollars and pushing the price of oil up and the value of the dollar down?
During which war of the Clinton administration were the civil rights of
Americans stripped to the point where persons can be held without charge
or legal representation for years?
Alias
"Alias"
> MICHAEL wrote:
>> "Alias"
>> news:fhk0v1$pv5$1@aioe.org...
>>> HeyBub wrote:
>>>> Charlie Tame wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And you'll soon be wanting the liberals back next time you decide to
>>>>> organize a war but lack the "Grunts" to fight it on your behalf...
>>>>
>>>> Ah, but they don't fight. We learned in Viet Nam. The liberal
>>>> "grunts" just bug out and smoke dope. Now we want warriors, people
>>>> who get a kick out of living a righteous life and get their enjoyment
>>>> from killing people who deserve killing and blowing things up. Please
>>>> note that 85% of the soldiers and marines who have served in Iraq or
>>>> Afghanistan have re-enlisted (the remaining 15% include deaths,
>>>> retirements, the severely wounded, and those pussy-whipped by
>>>> fishwives).
>>>
>>> Yeah, the sick crusader mentality. I bet you think killing women and
>>> children is cool too. They reenlisted because there isn't too much
>>> demand for KILLERS in the job market.
>>>>> You can ask for billions to continue a war yet refuse to buy
>>>>> healthcare for American kids and then try to short change the
>>>>> Veterans returning from the war you created.
>>>>
>>>> No child in the US is without healthcare. The left confuses health
>>>> INSURANCE with health CARE. If you insist on insurance for children,
>>>> put the parents in jail who can afford the insurance but refuse to
>>>> enroll.
>>>
>>> 43 MILLION Americans have no health coverage. That's pathetic.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How many years of taxes will it take to pay off the monster debt the
>>>>> Republicans have created?
>>>>
>>>> Not long. both the deficit and the total debt, as a percentage of the
>>>> GDP, are nowhere near the largest they've ever been.
>>
>>> And no where near the surplus that Clinton handed the current IDIOT in
>>> the White House.
>>
>> Actually, it was the combined efforts of Republicans, Clinton, and an
>> over heated economy that helped produce those budget surpluses.
>> Republicans controlled both Houses the last six years of Clinton's
>> presidency. It is the House of Reps that technically control the purse
>> strings of the USA. The Republicans even allowed the federal government
>> to shutdown twice over budget battles. Republicans pushed through
>> the "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of
>> 1996"
>> (Welfare Reform Act) which Clinton signed, and which upset many Democrats.
>> Fiscally speaking, Clinton was the last Republican to be President... so
>> the joke goes.
>>
>> Unfortunately, since President Bush has been in office, Congress has
>> abdicated
>> its role of checks and balances.... particularly, the once fiscally
>> conservative
>> Republicans that once were more than happy to go toe toe with Clinton,
>> they simply rolled over for Bush. Of course, the Democrats could have
>> shown
>> much more backbone... on several issues. The Democrats took the time
>> to filibuster some federal judge appointment, but run away from budgetary
>> battles and issues of war. Since the Democrats regained the House and
>> Senate,
>> it all still looks the same to me.
>
> Really, in which war was the Clinton administration wasting billions of
> dollars and pushing the price of oil up and the value of the dollar down?
There are several reasons for the rise in oil prices. Of course, one
of those is the uncertainty about that the war in Iraq and a broader
concern about terrorism. There is probably a "fear factor" of at least
25% included in the price of oil. However, a lot of the rise has to do
with the booming economies of China and India. OPEC and Russia
maintaining much better discipline at production controls, too.
The fall of the US dollar is really over-hyped. But, it has certainly
been an enormous boon to US exports, which have been setting
record after record, month after month. This has started to worry
many in Europe, especially, manufacturers in Germany. Not to mention,
it has been great for the US tourism industry. More foreign tourists
coming here and more US citizens staying home and spending their
money here.... the fall of the US dollar has not made the UK's or France's
tourism industry very happy. It's also not made a lot of friends in
Canada, unless you're a Canadian coming across the border to shop.
Since the price of oil is traded in US dollars, much of the world should
be happy their currencies have gone up against the dollar.
There are definitely good and bad things about rising/falling currency values.
No one size fits all.
> During which war of the Clinton administration were the civil rights of
> Americans stripped to the point where persons can be held without charge
> or legal representation for years?
Again- which part of "Congress has abdicated its role of checks and balances"
did you not fully comprehend?
You may carry on this conversation here, I'm through.
If at anytime you feel the need to discuss this with me
further, my email address is valid.
-Michael
Alias wrote:
> HeyBub wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>>> Ah, but they don't fight. We learned in Viet Nam. The liberal
>>>> "grunts" just bug out and smoke dope. Now we want warriors, people
>>>> who get a kick out of living a righteous life and get their
>>>> enjoyment from killing people who deserve killing and blowing
>>>> things up. Please note that 85% of the soldiers and marines who
>>>> have served in Iraq or Afghanistan have re-enlisted (the remaining
>>>> 15% include deaths, retirements, the severely wounded, and those
>>>> pussy-whipped by fishwives).
>>> Yeah, the sick crusader mentality. I bet you think killing women and
>>> children is cool too. They reenlisted because there isn't too much
>>> demand for KILLERS in the job market.
>>
>> Me? If the women and children need killing, sure. Like a burqua-clad
>> bomber or a 7-year-old running toward my position with a grenade in
>> each hand. But the bigger question for the average American is: "Do you
>> want the
>> killers in be in Iraq, indulging their desires on women and children
>> there, or back here in your neighborhood?"
>>
>>>>> You can ask for billions to continue a war yet refuse to buy
>>>>> healthcare for American kids and then try to short change the
>>>>> Veterans returning from the war you created.
>>>> No child in the US is without healthcare. The left confuses health
>>>> INSURANCE with health CARE. If you insist on insurance for
>>>> children, put the parents in jail who can afford the insurance but
>>>> refuse to enroll.
>>> 43 MILLION Americans have no health coverage. That's pathetic.
>>
>> Wrong again. 43 million have no health INSURANCE. Of these
>> (according to the US Census bureau):
>>
>> * 7 million are illegal immigrants
>> * 9 million are on Medicaid
>> * 3.5 million are eligible for government aide but have not applied
>> * 20 million live in homes where incomes are twice the poverty level
>> ($41,000 for a family of four).
>>
>> That totals 39.5 million, leaving 4.5 million who possibly need
>> insurance but don't have it. Of these, an unknown number are between
>> jobs or eligibility requirements.
>>
>>>>> How many years of taxes will it take to pay off the monster debt
>>>>> the Republicans have created?
>>>> Not long. both the deficit and the total debt, as a percentage of
>>>> the GDP, are nowhere near the largest they've ever been.
>>> And no where near the surplus that Clinton handed the current IDIOT
>>> in the White House.
>>>
>>
>> The last years of the Clinton administration did, indeed, generate a
>> surplus, due, in part, to the "Peace Dividend" and higher taxes.
>>
>> The thing about taxes is the effect on the government and
>> individuals is immediate, the effect on the economy takes a bit to
>> latch in. When taxes are raised, for instance, the government gets
>> more money almost immediately. It takes time for individuals and
>> corporations to re-adjust their tax strategy to account for the
>> changes. In a year, or two, or three, these individual decisions, in
>> the aggregate, have a profound effect on the economy. In the early days
>> of the Clinton administration, a "luxury tax" was
>> imposed on the rich. As an example, a 50% tax on yachts was imposed.
>> The government collected bags of money on the sale of yachts - but
>> only those yachts in the building/purchasing pipeline. Within a
>> year, the American yacht-building business was out of business,
>> putting some 2000 people out of work. The rich simply starting
>> buying their boats in the Bahamas. The luxury tax was repealed.
>>
>>
>>
>
> You don't know what you're talking about and it's people like you that
> make this a dangerous world. Iraq was the best present that Osama Bin
> Laden ever received. Hugo Chavez is really happy with the resultant
> oil price as is Iran, you idiot!
Let's see. We started the conversation regarding grunts in Viet Nam and us
decent folk wanting liberals back for the next war. You morphed this to
another Kool-Aid topic: lack of health care (43 million Americans without
health care) and threw in the moan about how long it would take to retire
the debt. Each of these was refuted by iron-clad logic and impeccable facts.
Now you assert:
1. I don't know what I'm talking about.
2. OBL is tickled over our presence in Iraq.
3. Chavez is please with the current oil price, as is Iran.
1. I DO know what I'm talking about inasmuch as I reached these positions by
carefully weighing the facts instead of relying on what feels good.
2. I have no knowledge of OBL's feelings toward our presence in Iraq. I'm
pretty sure he didn't like us being in Afghanistan.
3. What's Chavez and Iran got to do with anything? Here's a flash: Oil is a
commodity. It is subject to the laws of supply and demand. Supply is up, but
demand is up more. Price follows the difference between the two.
J.C. Why Illinois?????????
news:OANdvQ$JIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Maybe You Should Move To Illinois Because You Are A Dumb Ass - Just FYI.
> People Like You Need To Use Ubuntu 7.10 And Not Vista. Just FYI.
>
> I Love Ubuntu 7.10 Just FYI
>
>
> "Not Me"
> news:eyhqJR2JIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>I think we should take all the flaming liberals and send them to
>>California.
>> Then we NUKE the San Andreas fault and watch Ca. float out into the
>> Pacific...
>> Then Hilary can be the first President of The Peoples Republic of
>> California.
>> There won't be any Republicans there to bother you there...or pay taxes
>> to bail your dumb azz out either.
>>
>> "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>> message news:bmJ_i.14213$xa2.8545@read2.cgocable.net...
>>
>
>
"Unknown"
news:NHn%i.8265$3Z2.6533@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
> J.C. Why Illinois?????????
I think Illinois is where Kevin lives!
>
> news:OANdvQ$JIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Maybe You Should Move To Illinois Because You Are A Dumb Ass - Just FYI.
>> People Like You Need To Use Ubuntu 7.10 And Not Vista. Just FYI.
>>
>> I Love Ubuntu 7.10 Just FYI
>>
>>
>> "Not Me"
>> news:eyhqJR2JIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>I think we should take all the flaming liberals and send them to
>>>California.
>>> Then we NUKE the San Andreas fault and watch Ca. float out into the
>>> Pacific...
>>> Then Hilary can be the first President of The Peoples Republic of
>>> California.
>>> There won't be any Republicans there to bother you there...or pay taxes
>>> to bail your dumb azz out either.
>>>
>>> "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>>> message news:bmJ_i.14213$xa2.8545@read2.cgocable.net...
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Alias wrote:
>
> During which war of the Clinton administration were the civil rights
> of Americans stripped to the point where persons can be held without
> charge or legal representation for years?
Wasn't Clinton. People being held without charges, sometimes for years,
since the founding of the country. What you overlook is that not all people
who are confined are criminals. Examples:
* Civil contempt of court. Don't pay your child support? You can be held in
jail forever. Refuse to testify before a grand jury? You can be held until
the grand jury's term expires.
* Carriers of contagious diseases.
* Juveniles who, by law, cannot be treated as "criminals."
* Illegal aliens.
* The insane.
Citizenship, moreover, is no 'get out of jail free' card.
During WW2, some 3 million German and Italian POWs were held in camps in the
US (we had 133 POW camps in my state alone). Of these, more than a few held
US citizenship as, for example, children of US citizens. Not a single one
was entitled to a lawer or judicial proceedings.
Point is, there are many classes of people who can be held against their
will without ever being "charged" with a crime or access to legal
representation. Since they are not "criminals," they do not get the 4th,
5th, and 6th Amendment protections afforded to the criminal class (i.e., "In
all criminal proceedings, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy
trial...").
One of the groups consists of unlawful enemy combatants.
I don't think so. Isn't the originating server from Packard bell?
"Bill Yanaire"
news:uXUJCbJKIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> "Unknown"
> news:NHn%i.8265$3Z2.6533@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> J.C. Why Illinois?????????
>
> I think Illinois is where Kevin lives!
>
>
>>
>> news:OANdvQ$JIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Maybe You Should Move To Illinois Because You Are A Dumb Ass - Just FYI.
>>> People Like You Need To Use Ubuntu 7.10 And Not Vista. Just FYI.
>>>
>>> I Love Ubuntu 7.10 Just FYI
>>>
>>>
>>> "Not Me"
>>> news:eyhqJR2JIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>I think we should take all the flaming liberals and send them to
>>>>California.
>>>> Then we NUKE the San Andreas fault and watch Ca. float out into the
>>>> Pacific...
>>>> Then Hilary can be the first President of The Peoples Republic of
>>>> California.
>>>> There won't be any Republicans there to bother you there...or pay taxes
>>>> to bail your dumb azz out either.
>>>>
>>>> "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>>>> message news:bmJ_i.14213$xa2.8545@read2.cgocable.net...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
"Unknown"
news:poo%i.8274$3Z2.2049@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>I don't think so. Isn't the originating server from Packard bell?
He has stated many times that he lives in Illinois. Maybe this poster is an
imposter! Check his other posts.
> "Bill Yanaire"
> news:uXUJCbJKIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Unknown"
>> news:NHn%i.8265$3Z2.6533@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> J.C. Why Illinois?????????
>>
>> I think Illinois is where Kevin lives!
>>
>>
>>>
>>> news:OANdvQ$JIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Maybe You Should Move To Illinois Because You Are A Dumb Ass - Just
>>>> FYI. People Like You Need To Use Ubuntu 7.10 And Not Vista. Just FYI.
>>>>
>>>> I Love Ubuntu 7.10 Just FYI
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Not Me"
>>>> news:eyhqJR2JIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>I think we should take all the flaming liberals and send them to
>>>>>California.
>>>>> Then we NUKE the San Andreas fault and watch Ca. float out into the
>>>>> Pacific...
>>>>> Then Hilary can be the first President of The Peoples Republic of
>>>>> California.
>>>>> There won't be any Republicans there to bother you there...or pay
>>>>> taxes to bail your dumb azz out either.
>>>>>
>>>>> "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>>>>> message news:bmJ_i.14213$xa2.8545@read2.cgocable.net...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Bill Yanaire wrote:
> "Unknown"
> news:poo%i.8274$3Z2.2049@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> I don't think so. Isn't the originating server from Packard bell?
>
> He has stated many times that he lives in Illinois. Maybe this poster is an
> imposter! Check his other posts.
It's Spankey again.
>
>> "Bill Yanaire"
>> news:uXUJCbJKIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> "Unknown"
>>> news:NHn%i.8265$3Z2.6533@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>> J.C. Why Illinois?????????
>>> I think Illinois is where Kevin lives!
>>>
>>>>
>>>> news:OANdvQ$JIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Maybe You Should Move To Illinois Because You Are A Dumb Ass - Just
>>>>> FYI. People Like You Need To Use Ubuntu 7.10 And Not Vista. Just FYI.
>>>>>
>>>>> I Love Ubuntu 7.10 Just FYI
>>>>>
>>>>> "Not Me"
>>>>> news:eyhqJR2JIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> I think we should take all the flaming liberals and send them to
>>>>>> California.
>>>>>> Then we NUKE the San Andreas fault and watch Ca. float out into the
>>>>>> Pacific...
>>>>>> Then Hilary can be the first President of The Peoples Republic of
>>>>>> California.
>>>>>> There won't be any Republicans there to bother you there...or pay
>>>>>> taxes to bail your dumb azz out either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>>>>>> message news:bmJ_i.14213$xa2.8545@read2.cgocable.net...
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HeyBub wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> HeyBub wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Ah, but they don't fight. We learned in Viet Nam. The liberal
>>>>> "grunts" just bug out and smoke dope. Now we want warriors, people
>>>>> who get a kick out of living a righteous life and get their
>>>>> enjoyment from killing people who deserve killing and blowing
>>>>> things up. Please note that 85% of the soldiers and marines who
>>>>> have served in Iraq or Afghanistan have re-enlisted (the remaining
>>>>> 15% include deaths, retirements, the severely wounded, and those
>>>>> pussy-whipped by fishwives).
>>>> Yeah, the sick crusader mentality. I bet you think killing women and
>>>> children is cool too. They reenlisted because there isn't too much
>>>> demand for KILLERS in the job market.
>>> Me? If the women and children need killing, sure. Like a burqua-clad
>>> bomber or a 7-year-old running toward my position with a grenade in
>>> each hand. But the bigger question for the average American is: "Do you
>>> want the
>>> killers in be in Iraq, indulging their desires on women and children
>>> there, or back here in your neighborhood?"
>>>
>>>>>> You can ask for billions to continue a war yet refuse to buy
>>>>>> healthcare for American kids and then try to short change the
>>>>>> Veterans returning from the war you created.
>>>>> No child in the US is without healthcare. The left confuses health
>>>>> INSURANCE with health CARE. If you insist on insurance for
>>>>> children, put the parents in jail who can afford the insurance but
>>>>> refuse to enroll.
>>>> 43 MILLION Americans have no health coverage. That's pathetic.
>>> Wrong again. 43 million have no health INSURANCE. Of these
>>> (according to the US Census bureau):
>>>
>>> * 7 million are illegal immigrants
>>> * 9 million are on Medicaid
>>> * 3.5 million are eligible for government aide but have not applied
>>> * 20 million live in homes where incomes are twice the poverty level
>>> ($41,000 for a family of four).
>>>
>>> That totals 39.5 million, leaving 4.5 million who possibly need
>>> insurance but don't have it. Of these, an unknown number are between
>>> jobs or eligibility requirements.
>>>
>>>>>> How many years of taxes will it take to pay off the monster debt
>>>>>> the Republicans have created?
>>>>> Not long. both the deficit and the total debt, as a percentage of
>>>>> the GDP, are nowhere near the largest they've ever been.
>>>> And no where near the surplus that Clinton handed the current IDIOT
>>>> in the White House.
>>>>
>>> The last years of the Clinton administration did, indeed, generate a
>>> surplus, due, in part, to the "Peace Dividend" and higher taxes.
>>>
>>> The thing about taxes is the effect on the government and
>>> individuals is immediate, the effect on the economy takes a bit to
>>> latch in. When taxes are raised, for instance, the government gets
>>> more money almost immediately. It takes time for individuals and
>>> corporations to re-adjust their tax strategy to account for the
>>> changes. In a year, or two, or three, these individual decisions, in
>>> the aggregate, have a profound effect on the economy. In the early days
>>> of the Clinton administration, a "luxury tax" was
>>> imposed on the rich. As an example, a 50% tax on yachts was imposed.
>>> The government collected bags of money on the sale of yachts - but
>>> only those yachts in the building/purchasing pipeline. Within a
>>> year, the American yacht-building business was out of business,
>>> putting some 2000 people out of work. The rich simply starting
>>> buying their boats in the Bahamas. The luxury tax was repealed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> You don't know what you're talking about and it's people like you that
>> make this a dangerous world. Iraq was the best present that Osama Bin
>> Laden ever received. Hugo Chavez is really happy with the resultant
>> oil price as is Iran, you idiot!
>
> Let's see. We started the conversation regarding grunts in Viet Nam and us
> decent folk wanting liberals back for the next war. You morphed this to
> another Kool-Aid topic: lack of health care (43 million Americans without
> health care) and threw in the moan about how long it would take to retire
> the debt. Each of these was refuted by iron-clad logic and impeccable facts.
>
> Now you assert:
>
> 1. I don't know what I'm talking about.
> 2. OBL is tickled over our presence in Iraq.
> 3. Chavez is please with the current oil price, as is Iran.
>
> 1. I DO know what I'm talking about inasmuch as I reached these positions by
> carefully weighing the facts instead of relying on what feels good.
>
> 2. I have no knowledge of OBL's feelings toward our presence in Iraq. I'm
> pretty sure he didn't like us being in Afghanistan.
>
> 3. What's Chavez and Iran got to do with anything? Here's a flash: Oil is a
> commodity. It is subject to the laws of supply and demand. Supply is up, but
> demand is up more. Price follows the difference between the two.
>
>
Well, you are lecturing Alias on cause and effect and missing the very
same thing yourself.
First however consider :-
The records show that far fewer republicans have kids in any war than
democrats, this is partly due to "College / educational" concessions and
partly due to the simple fact that being able to afford to pay for
"Favorable" medical opinions and legal opinions can avoid military
service for the chosen ones.
> http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
1. You reached your position by carefully weighing what you personally
believe to be facts, apparently many of them little more than political
propaganda. It is impossible for any logical reasoning to reach the
conclusions you state. It is as logical as stating "Nothing could have
happened by accident therefore God did it" and extrapolating that
"Assumption" to mean that your personal caricature of "God" is the
correct and only possible one.
2. Declaring Iraq an enemy state for the purpose of removing Saddam
Hussein was the best publicity deal Osama bin Laden could have been
gifted. It increased recruiting and at the same time drained the US of
funds in a way that Osama could only have dreamed of. Do you really
believe that this fanatical little cave dweller could have killed of
injured tens of thousands of highly trained and dedicated US soldiers
when he couldn't even hold ground in Afghanistan he already occupied,
with the backing of the then Government?
You are joking right when you threaten the public that if not for Iraq
the terrorists would be here?
3. Prices in general have increased during the Bush administration far
faster then pay. Many things have doubled in price, I know of nobody
seeing that effect in their salary. The costs of the fictitious "Global
War on Terror" have placed the finances of the United States in the hand
of foreign and possibly future enemy Governments. Amazingly enough
though some people are making more profits guess who that might be? The
special interest contractors, all with contacts in the Administration
and all those profits associated directly with maintaining the so called
War on Terror. The nation pays taxes and in a totally cynical grab the
Administration takes those taxes in the name of protecting society hands
then out to private contractors in unbid contracts to perform various
functions that were never necessary. This is "Protection Money" in teh
classic sense of the word, it is merely obscured by several layers of
incompetence.
Anyway this is hardly the right place to discuss this, no animosity
involved but perhaps a political newsgroup would be better, clearly
though I don't think we are going to agree on much, if anyone cares to
suggest a better forum I'd be happy to consider it.