Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted am 17.11.2007 22:53:46 von Jeff North
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:12:37 GMT, in comp.lang.javascript "Mika" wrote: unexpected or duplicate quote unexpected or duplicate quote dropping value "#FFFFFF" for unexpected or duplicate quote unexpected or duplicate quote dropping value "#FFFFFF" for unexpected or duplicate quote unexpected or duplicate quote unexpected or duplicate quote unexpected or duplicate quote dropping value "#FFFFFF" for is not approved by W3C element not empty or not closed dropping value "326" for repeated proprietary attribute "height" proprietary attribute "height" proprietary attribute "height" proprietary attribute "height" proprietary attribute "height" proprietary attribute "height" proprietary attribute "height"
Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted am 20.11.2007 02:05:38 von rf
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Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted am 20.11.2007 16:15:56 von Todd_Calhoun
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Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted am 21.11.2007 13:47:04 von Andy Dingley
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Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted am 21.11.2007 15:48:12 von Ian Hobson
Mika wrote:
, and three tags is an
Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted am 22.11.2007 18:36:38 von Todd_Calhoun
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Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted am 22.11.2007 19:37:30 von a.nony.mous
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Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted am 22.11.2007 20:53:22 von lws4art
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, and three tags is an
Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted am 22.11.2007 22:32:32 von a.nony.mous
In alt.html, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
* element? Sorry for posting this here,<br />
but it is sooooo ridiculous, I felt it needed to be pointed out;<br />
<br />
<title>Virtual George Street Online Shopping, Richmond & Kew,<br />
Surrey, TW9, UK - Find Dickens & Jones, House of Fraser, Karen<br />
Millen, Gant, Habitat, M&S, Monsoon, Robert Dyas, Uniqlo, Abbey<br />
National, Starbucks, Hobbs, Gap Kids, Tesco, Clinton Cards, East, Vision<br />
Express, NatWest, Reed, WHSmith, L'Occitane, Superdrug, Barclays,<br />
Russell and Bromley, 3, Three, Timberland, David Clulow, Molton Brown,<br />
Tao, Crabtree <br />
& Evelyn, Aveda, Redchat, Bowleys, Reiss, HMV, HSBC, Clarks, Boots,<br />
D&A, French Connection, fcuk, Ernest Jones, N Courlander, HengJi<br />
Properties, Top Shop, Ann Summers, Dixons, Currys.digital, Holland <br />
& Barrett, The Body Shop, Nine West, Pied a Terre, Accessorize,<br />
Laura Ashley, Oasis, the Orange shop, Jigsaw, Hill Street, The Quadrant, <br />
credit card, wireless, anti spam, affiliate pay per click, google<br />
adsense, auto, car, motor, car hire, affiliate programme, gift card, bad<br />
credit, cheap insurance, purchase web site domain names, egg credit,<br />
home equity, loans, federal, debt consolidation, hair removal, health<br />
insurance, internet software, lemons, mortgage, no cost, personal<br />
injury, refinance, student loan, yahoo, <br />
Waterstones, Post Office, Whittard, Odeon, Carphone Warehouse, Lloyds<br />
TSB, Next, shopping,online shopping,shop<br />
online,shop,online,home,virtual,outlet,buy,high,main,street, st.,rd.,road,<br />
cyber,mall,interactive,january,summer,sales,guide,map,simula tor,sightseeing,<br />
city,town,centre,center,chain,store,world,famous,boutique,re tailer,product,<br />
alternative,disabled,disability, estate<br />
agents,holidays,flights,moving,cinemas,restaurants,bars,cafe s,pubs,clubs,tourist<br />
attractions,tourism,landmarks,banks,buy,clothes,apparel,elec tronics,mobile<br />
phones,dvds,salons,shoes,digital<br />
cameras,pharmacies,chemists,drugs,panoramic,panorama,360,qui ck<br />
searches,shoppy,cheap,discount,cart,bargains,deals,great deals,special<br />
offers,offers,cashback,rebates,cash rebates,coupons,cash rebates,cash<br />
back,find,locate shops,locate,locations,map,local,compare prices,best<br />
prices,cheapest prices,comparison,comparison shopping,search<br />
amazon,search ebay,UK,USA
Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted am 22.11.2007 23:53:15 von lws4art
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
* element? Sorry for posting this here,<br />
> but it is sooooo ridiculous, I felt it needed to be pointed out;<br />
> <br />
<br />
<snipped incredibly ridiculous markup><br />
<br />
> <br />
> This is nothing more than search engine stuffing, and he should be<br />
> penalized for it. The first few words would suffice. I wonder why<br />
> "lemons" are listed... maybe because it is a lemon of a site?<br />
> <br />
> The <meta keywords> are just as bad.<br />
> <br />
> Heh, googling for "george street online" (with quotes), the page isn't<br />
> listed at all, so I guess Google has whacked his peepee for it.<br />
> <br />
<br />
It's a "Spruce Goose", but we informed them that almost to years ago, <br />
but whatever we say now won't matter they are too deeply committed <br />
without an "exit strategy"<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Take care,<br />
<br />
Jonathan<br />
-------------------<br />
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO<br />
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 00:15:54 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message <br />
news:K%j1j.41394$if6.30738@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.ne t...<br />
> In alt.html, Mika wrote:<br />
><br />
>> Hello Ian<br />
>> Sorry you seem to unhappy.<br />
>><br />
>>> I had to disable javascript just to get the page to load into Firefox.<br />
>><br />
>> This is very strange indeed. We must have tested this on dozens of<br />
>> Firefox clients and never had a problem. The site has been live for<br />
>> 1.5 years and not a single complaint from Firefox users, yet<br />
><br />
> Here's another.<br />
<br />
We will take this on board and look into it.<br />
<br />
Thanks.</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 00:18:04 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message <br />
news:Qzm1j.134491$kj1.17008@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.n et...<br />
<br />
> Heh, googling for "george street online" (with quotes), the page isn't<br />
> listed at all, so I guess Google has whacked his peepee for it.<br />
<br />
That phrase does not exist in our site so you are intentionally not finding <br />
it by putting it in quotes.<br />
<br />
Search just for george street richmond and it comes up no. 1.<br />
<br />
Don't mind people pointing out genuine errors, but it is best not to make up <br />
stories to suit your side.<br />
<br />
I wonder if you guys were playground bullies the way you talk on here to <br />
strangers. If you wouldn't say it in that tone to somebody's face, don't <br />
online - that's the acid test.<br />
<br />
You are all very impressed with yourselves and abilities to understand HTML <br />
or j/s, but what we could teach you about interpersonal relationships!...<br />
<br />
Over and out.<br />
<br />
Mika</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 00:56:15 von a.nony.mous</span>
<p>In alt.html, Mika wrote:<br />
<br />
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:<br />
>> Heh, googling for "george street online" (with quotes), the page<br />
>> isn't listed at all, so I guess Google has whacked his peepee for<br />
>> it.<br />
> <br />
> That phrase does not exist in our site so you are intentionally not<br />
> finding it by putting it in quotes.<br />
<br />
What?<br />
<br />
<title>Virtual George Street Online Shopping, Richmond ...<br />
................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br />
<br />
> Search just for george street richmond and it comes up no. 1.<br />
<br />
I was pointing out the futility of you stuffing hundreds of words in the<br />
<title> element. Don't you understand that?<br />
<br />
> Don't mind people pointing out genuine errors, but it is best not to<br />
> make up stories to suit your side.<br />
<br />
As proven above, I didn't make it up.<br />
<br />
> I wonder if you guys were playground bullies the way you talk on here<br />
> to strangers. If you wouldn't say it in that tone to somebody's<br />
> face, don't online - that's the acid test. <br />
<br />
I would say anything I've typed here to your face. Are you gonna be in<br />
New York anytime soon?<br />
<br />
> You are all very impressed with yourselves and abilities to<br />
> understand HTML or j/s, but what we could teach you about<br />
> interpersonal relationships!... <br />
<br />
<lol!><br />
<br />
> Over and out.<br />
<br />
Bye.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
-bts<br />
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 08:47:56 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 22 Nov 2007 23:18:04<br />
GMT Mika scribed: <br />
<br />
<br />
> You are all very impressed with yourselves and abilities to understand<br />
> HTML or j/s, but what we could teach you about interpersonal<br />
> relationships!... <br />
> <br />
> Over and out.<br />
<br />
Hey, these are the _nice_ guys! You should run into the hardcore cases <br />
like Jukka and rf... Even ol' dorayme can spit some venom when rattled <br />
agitatively. And Blinky The Shark - whoaaaaaa! There's a mouthful to <br />
watch out for. You've been lucky, my man, so count your blessings.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 09:03:21 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message <br />
news:K%j1j.41394$if6.30738@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.ne t...<br />
<br />
>> This is very strange indeed. We must have tested this on dozens of<br />
>> Firefox clients and never had a problem. The site has been live for<br />
>> 1.5 years and not a single complaint from Firefox users, yet<br />
><br />
> Here's another.<br />
><br />
> Firefox 2.0.0.9, JavaScript on:<br />
> "Please be patient while we teleport you there<br />
> (around 15 secs via fast broadband ...so a bit quicker than driving!)"<br />
><br />
> Still waiting, ten minutes later (on a 10Mbps connection), for whatever<br />
> that "progress bar" is supposed to represent.<br />
<br />
I wonder what the precise reason is that all the v2 Firefox browser machines <br />
we can test on work perfectly, yet only in this group do they apparently <br />
not. Do you have a standard installation, or any altered settings that may <br />
cause it?<br />
<br />
We also have 2.0.0.9 and the page loads in 2 seconds over a 4Mb/s line and <br />
works perfectly every refresh.<br />
<br />
> Why does this page have an ugly purple background? (Think about that.)<br />
<br />
Could you elaborate please? It is white.<br />
<br />
Thanks.</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 09:07:30 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message <br />
news:zGo1j.135008$kj1.119605@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att. net...<br />
> In alt.html, Mika wrote:<br />
><br />
>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:<br />
>>> Heh, googling for "george street online" (with quotes), the page<br />
>>> isn't listed at all, so I guess Google has whacked his peepee for<br />
>>> it.<br />
>><br />
>> That phrase does not exist in our site so you are intentionally not<br />
>> finding it by putting it in quotes.<br />
><br />
> What?<br />
><br />
> <title>Virtual George Street Online Shopping, Richmond ...<br />
> ...............^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br />
<br />
Apologies, it had been a long day and we thought you were referring to the <br />
keywords tag.<br />
<br />
Thanks for the advice - we will amend the title.<br />
<br />
> I would say anything I've typed here to your face. Are you gonna be in<br />
> New York anytime soon?<br />
<br />
No, we're too scared to now. Actually we weren't referring to you <br />
specifically, just the general comments from others which are frankly rude <br />
and we all know that they would not talk that way if not hiding behind a <br />
screen. It's a shame people are so angry deep down and it has to spill out <br />
when they have a 'safe' chance.<br />
<br />
>> You are all very impressed with yourselves and abilities to<br />
>> understand HTML or j/s, but what we could teach you about<br />
>> interpersonal relationships!...<br />
><br />
> <lol!><br />
<br />
;)</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 09:25:49 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message <br />
news:K%j1j.41394$if6.30738@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.ne t...<br />
<br />
> Oh, and why did you interrupt my jazz CD with something that sounds like<br />
> waves on a beach? What's that got to do with George Street?<br />
<br />
When it was featured on BBC Radio 1's top show, the presenter said, "they <br />
simulate ... the experience of actual shopping ... complete with sound <br />
effects".<br />
<br />
I think you are intelligent enough to know it is a street noise and vehicles <br />
whoosing past, but for some reason want to say it was a beach. That does <br />
not really assist us.<br />
<br />
> Same in Opera...<br />
<br />
Opera is not supported due to low user % and as they do not allow wide <br />
enough page lengths to permit our scrolling supercell. This is stated in <br />
the FAQ, which I'm sure you read ;)</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 09:30:32 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@centralva.net> wrote in message <br />
news:e37c0$47460860$40cba7b0$2973@NAXS.COM...<br />
><br />
> It's a "Spruce Goose", but we informed them that almost to years ago, but <br />
> whatever we say now won't matter they are too deeply committed without an <br />
> "exit strategy"<br />
<br />
We are flattered you talk about this like it is a big business. It is just <br />
a hobby done in spare time! We think we have done quite well considering <br />
that being beginners, and that we have incurred little or no startup <br />
expenses. The site is accessed by thousands of repeat visitors monthly.<br />
<br />
>> You've posted your site in the past, and as I recall, each time someone<br />
>> told you of problems, not the least of which was load times.<br />
>><br />
><br />
> Last time I check it was over 6MB...<br />
<br />
6MB is not a load time. This site is clearly labelled as being for the <br />
broadband generation. It says 'broadband recommended' on every page, and in <br />
search engine listings, and the FAQ. 84% of the UK is now on broadband and <br />
this is a UK oriented site. 6MB is about 2 seconds. Clearly that is not <br />
really an issue to keep criticising the site for. As speeds increase this <br />
will only become even less of an issue.<br />
<br />
This thread was about a Google/MS issue, but we appreciate any <br />
'constructive' polite comments.<br />
<br />
> your page is patchwork Frankenstein<br />
<br />
Unlike that.</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 11:27:55 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Ian Hobson" <ian.hobson@ntlworld.com> wrote in message <br />
news:MyX0j.596$8k2.353@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...<br />
<br />
> The mess has been created by the templating system that has not helped <br />
> you.<br />
<br />
We would agree - Microsoft Expression Web Editor to be precise. It is <br />
upsetting that it has caused many problems. We have been trying to work <br />
through some today.<br />
<br />
We have now solved the issue this thread was about. We now call the j/s in <br />
a different file:<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
However the problem with the templating system was that if we tried to but <br />
this *after* the </body> tag, it would not allow it and moved it back.<br />
<br />
Furthermore the reason we used SSI was after advice from this group a year <br />
ago. The reason was the MS border navigation system which inserted our top <br />
and bottom borders to all pages, did so by creating a table... and Google <br />
Maps API cannot work within a table!<br />
<br />
So all of this mess was caused by Microsoft (Expression Web, and IE) <br />
incompatibilities or lack of understanding of Google Maps API. We have done <br />
our best.<br />
<br />
*Good news!* Our workaround is to edit the page in a text editor as the <br />
final stage before uploading, and we move that tag to after the </body> tag.<br />
<br />
* We can now refresh without Operation Aborted :)<br />
* We have been able to dispense with SSI and use the top/bottom border :)<br />
* We have also changed the doctype to Strict as suggested here (it was <br />
Transitional because someone else here suggeted that months ago!). Again, <br />
doing our best.<br />
<br />
This leaves us with a problem hopefully someone here will be able to help us <br />
fix?: In Firefox, there seem to be extra spaces or lines messing up the <br />
formatting. See how the top border is broken up, and the table cells have <br />
large lines above/below? This was after alterting the doctype, btu why?<br />
<br />
Constructive polite replies welcomed :)</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 13:31:00 von Ian Hobson</span>
<p>Mika wrote:<br />
> Hello Ian<br />
> <br />
> Sorry you seem to unhappy.<br />
> <br />
>> I had to disable javascript just to get the page to load into Firefox.<br />
> <br />
> This is very strange indeed. We must have tested this on dozens of Firefox <br />
> clients and never had a problem. The site has been live for 1.5 years and <br />
> not a single complaint from Firefox users, yet thousands of return Firefox <br />
> visitors. Could you try it again - perhaps you were referring to a broken <br />
> test page not the actual live pages? Try this page please:<br />
> <br />
> http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr<br />
> <br />
After an age I got a warning about an unresponsive script.<br />
<br />
There is nothing wrong with my (broadband) setup.<br />
<br />
Without wishing to be rude:<br />
<br />
Your html is crap. You have been told this repeatedly.<br />
<br />
Your javascript is unhelpful and visitor hostile.<br />
<br />
Your approach is stubbornly wrong headed.<br />
<br />
You have been given a lot of good advice over a long period.<br />
<br />
Take it.<br />
<br />
And Yes - I am pissed off with you. I spent time giving you a thoughtful <br />
and considered response, because I thought I could help.<br />
<br />
I can't help those who will not take advice.<br />
<br />
Now re-read the advice you have been give by me and other, and follow <br />
it, or go away.</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 14:22:54 von a.nony.mous</span>
<p>In alt.html, Mika wrote:<br />
<br />
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:<br />
>> Still waiting, ten minutes later (on a 10Mbps connection), for<br />
>> whatever that "progress bar" is supposed to represent.<br />
> <br />
> I wonder what the precise reason is that all the v2 Firefox browser<br />
> machines we can test on work perfectly, yet only in this group do<br />
> they apparently not. Do you have a standard installation, or any<br />
> altered settings that may cause it?<br />
<br />
Other than Web Developer Toolbar, Firebug, and some adblock extensions<br />
(in rather common usage), there is nothing unusual about my Firefox.<br />
<br />
> We also have 2.0.0.9 and the page loads in 2 seconds over a 4Mb/s line and <br />
> works perfectly every refresh.<br />
<br />
You are much closer to your server, perhaps.<br />
<br />
14 216.6.87.53 33ms 31ms 193ms TTL: 0<br />
(if-0-0.mcore4.NQT-NewYork.teleglobe.net ok)<br />
15 207.45.220.38 109ms 110ms 109ms TTL: 0<br />
(if-2-0.core1.LDN-London.Teleglobe.net ok)<br />
16 195.219.195.17 113ms 113ms 110ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS)<br />
17 195.219.195.66 136ms 138ms 137ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS)<br />
18 89.238.140.17 136ms 138ms 137ms TTL: 0<br />
(thn-mer.10g.lon.as33970.net fraudulent rDNS)<br />
19 83.245.63.71 135ms 134ms 133ms TTL:107<br />
(http1.yourwebservers.com bogus rDNS: host not found [authoritative])<br />
<br />
<br />
>> Why does this page have an ugly purple background? (Think about that.)<br />
> <br />
> Could you elaborate please? It is white.<br />
<br />
No, it isn't. It is whatever my (and your) browser's default background<br />
color is. You haven't assigned one to body {} in your CSS.<br />
http://k75s.home.att.net/show/george.jpg<br />
<br />
I see you have removed the hundreds of useless keywords from your<br />
<title> elements. At least we got that fixed...<br />
<br />
-- <br />
-bts<br />
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 14:31:04 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Ian Hobson" <ian.hobson@ntlworld.com> wrote in message <br />
news:8Kz1j.58798$Eq.23112@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...<br />
<br />
> Now re-read the advice you have been give by me and other, and follow it, <br />
> or go away.<br />
<br />
We have done some of the suggested work today. Please can you try again and <br />
advise if the street now loads?:<br />
<br />
http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr<br />
<br />
I can't think why you would get an unresponsive script error. Are you in <br />
the UK? If so you are as close to our server as we are.</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 14:32:47 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message <br />
news:OuA1j.43491$if6.10642@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.ne t...<br />
<br />
> Other than Web Developer Toolbar, Firebug, and some adblock extensions<br />
> (in rather common usage), there is nothing unusual about my Firefox.<br />
<br />
I imagine that may be partly the cause - the adblock extensions. They will <br />
prevent the AdWords display for example, causing you to see icons with <br />
nothing under them.<br />
<br />
Not sure how they could prevent the rest working though. Are you sure the <br />
streetscape still won't display?:<br />
http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr<br />
<br />
> You are much closer to your server, perhaps.<br />
<br />
So sites should be made smaller in case there are server delays from the UK <br />
> USA? Surely your 10Mb/s line should download UK websites at 10Mb/s - end <br />
of story.<br />
<br />
>>> Why does this page have an ugly purple background? (Think about that.)<br />
>><br />
>> Could you elaborate please? It is white.<br />
><br />
> No, it isn't. It is whatever my (and your) browser's default background<br />
> color is. You haven't assigned one to body {} in your CSS.<br />
> http://k75s.home.att.net/show/george.jpg<br />
<br />
If you choose to set your browser background to "ugly purple" that is your <br />
choice of course. Seems strange to complain to us though :P<br />
<br />
> I see you have removed the hundreds of useless keywords from your<br />
> <title> elements. At least we got that fixed...<br />
<br />
Yes, we are taking on board the valid comments made, thanks.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 14:45:26 von a.nony.mous</span>
<p>In alt.html, Mika wrote:<br />
<br />
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:<br />
>> Same in Opera...<br />
> <br />
> Opera is not supported due to low user % and as they do not allow<br />
> wide enough page lengths to permit our scrolling supercell.<br />
<br />
What? Opera isn't wide enough? <snorkle!> My Opera browser window is<br />
as wide or as narrow as I choose to make it, up to the maximum<br />
resolution of my monitors. In this group, we prefer to support "all<br />
browsers."<br />
<br />
Opera and Safari, by the way, are the only common browsers that pass the<br />
Acid2 Test.<br />
http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2<br />
<br />
> This is stated in the FAQ, which I'm sure you read ;)<br />
<br />
No, I didn't. You presented a URL for comments. I looked at that one and<br />
your main page.<br />
<br />
Oh, and you said "meant for UK users", yet you have a San Francisco<br />
street...<br />
<br />
-- <br />
-bts<br />
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 15:14:08 von a.nony.mous</span>
<p>In alt.html, Mika wrote:<br />
<br />
> If you choose to set your browser background to "ugly purple" that is<br />
> your choice of course. Seems strange to complain to us though :P<br />
<br />
The point is when you set colors, you also need to set background<br />
colors. You cannot rely on all users to have the same browser defaults<br />
as you.<br />
<br />
Remember, the "Netscape" you claim to support used to have a default<br />
background color of medium grey.<br />
<br />
Run your css through the validator.<br />
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator.html<br />
<br />
-- <br />
-bts<br />
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 15:17:57 von SpaceGirl</span>
<p>On Nov 23, 1:31 pm, "Mika" <a...@anon.com> wrote:<br />
> "Ian Hobson" <ian.hob...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message<br />
><br />
> news:8Kz1j.58798$Eq.23112@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...<br />
><br />
> > Now re-read the advice you have been give by me and other, and follow it,<br />
> > or go away.<br />
><br />
> We have done some of the suggested work today. Please can you try again and<br />
> advise if the street now loads?:<br />
><br />
> http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr<br />
><br />
> I can't think why you would get an unresponsive script error. Are you in<br />
> the UK? If so you are as close to our server as we are.<br />
<br />
Seemed okay on my test machine here today (FireFox 2 & IE7, Windows<br />
XP). But I wonder about your site. You're using a lot of copyrighted<br />
and trademarked content... have ALL those shops agreed to let you use<br />
their "likeness"? I'm sure Nine West wont like having a picture of<br />
their shop with scaffold outside it, for example. Be careful with<br />
this...</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 15:20:12 von SpaceGirl</span>
<p>On Nov 23, 1:45 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"<br />
<a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:<br />
> In alt.html, Mika wrote:<br />
> > "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:<br />
> >> Same in Opera...<br />
><br />
> > Opera is not supported due to low user % and as they do not allow<br />
> > wide enough page lengths to permit our scrolling supercell.<br />
><br />
> What? Opera isn't wide enough? <snorkle!> My Opera browser window is<br />
> as wide or as narrow as I choose to make it, up to the maximum<br />
> resolution of my monitors. In this group, we prefer to support "all<br />
> browsers."<br />
><br />
> Opera and Safari, by the way, are the only common browsers that pass the<br />
> Acid2 Test.http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2<br />
><br />
> > This is stated in the FAQ, which I'm sure you read ;)<br />
><br />
> No, I didn't. You presented a URL for comments. I looked at that one and<br />
> your main page.<br />
><br />
> Oh, and you said "meant for UK users", yet you have a San Francisco<br />
> street...<br />
><br />
> --<br />
> -bts<br />
> -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck<br />
<br />
More likely he's using totally the wrong technology. If, for example,<br />
you used AJAX to inject the shop images and links into a a DIV, while<br />
dropping off the ones that have slid out of view... page width would<br />
NEVER be an issue. It's a poorly thought out site I think.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 15:24:42 von SpaceGirl</span>
<p>On Nov 16, 6:12 pm, "Mika" <a...@anon.com> wrote:<br />
> Hello, we understand you guys may be able to help.<br />
><br />
> We have a page which has been working great for over a year and gets many<br />
> hits. However recently something got changed that we cannot seem to find,<br />
> and now *sometimes* if you refresh the page (generally while it is still<br />
> loading) in IE7, we get the popup window error:<br />
><br />
> Internet Explorer cannot open the Internet site...<br />
> Operation aborted<br />
><br />
> Here is an example of the page in question:http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr[broadband recommended]<br />
><br />
> We appreciate you may have other comments on the site such as the size of<br />
> the pages, however we are not looking to change that at present, with faster<br />
> broadband becoming more abundant. Search engine listings alert the user<br />
> that broadband is recommended for this technology.<br />
><br />
> As we said, the site worked great, but for this unknown reason now needs<br />
> some sort of a tweak to fix. The changes we made before it happened were<br />
> related to the body tag but they have been completely undone yet the issue<br />
> remains :-S<br />
><br />
> Thanks in advance to anyone able to find the cure for us to test.<br />
><br />
> Regards,<br />
> Mika @ SHS.com<br />
<br />
I'd seriously consider re-engineering your site. You could could do<br />
this FAR more efficiently using AJAX, and also remove most of the<br />
browser issues you're seeing.It'll require much less of a heavy<br />
workload on the browser, so you'll find it faster and smaller. Also<br />
you wont be loading in images (shops) that aren't actually visible on<br />
the screen until they scroll into view, so you'll probably save a<br />
stack of traffic.<br />
<br />
Again, alternative, do it in Flash.<br />
<br />
I'd really go back to the drawingboard on this one - I don't think you<br />
have a bad idea, but it's very poorly executed. Even if you fix the<br />
issues you're having now, you'll just hit more down the line (or see<br />
poor traffic due to errors that users will never bother to report -<br />
they will just go elsewhere).</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 15:54:08 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"SpaceGirl" <nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote in message <br />
news:f6ae717a-847b-4548-9f9f-fdc7f225dd72@o6g2000hsd.googleg roups.com...<br />
<br />
> Seemed okay on my test machine here today (FireFox 2 & IE7, Windows<br />
> XP). But I wonder about your site. You're using a lot of copyrighted<br />
> and trademarked content... have ALL those shops agreed to let you use<br />
> their "likeness"? I'm sure Nine West wont like having a picture of<br />
> their shop with scaffold outside it, for example. Be careful with<br />
> this...<br />
<br />
We took all the photos ourselves.<br />
<br />
All the shops get free advertising and publicity! It really isn't a cause <br />
for complaint.<br />
<br />
Most of them are willingly signed up affiliates.<br />
<br />
Thanks for the concern though!</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 15:57:34 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"SpaceGirl" <nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote in message <br />
news:dac9060a-6400-4f5d-bd55-d5cb3d1e83d6@e25g2000prg.google groups.com...<br />
<br />
> I'd seriously consider re-engineering your site.<br />
<br />
That's a lot of work for one bug.<br />
<br />
> You could could do<br />
> this FAR more efficiently using AJAX, and also remove most of the<br />
> browser issues you're seeing.It'll require much less of a heavy<br />
> workload on the browser, so you'll find it faster and smaller. Also<br />
> you wont be loading in images (shops) that aren't actually visible on<br />
> the screen until they scroll into view, so you'll probably save a<br />
> stack of traffic.<br />
<br />
We aren't! Our j/s code is so seamless you don't realise, but the only <br />
shops that are loaded are the ones that are on screen! Try scrolling fast <br />
and you can catch them loading and unloading on demand.<br />
<br />
> Again, alternative, do it in Flash.<br />
><br />
> I'd really go back to the drawingboard on this one - I don't think you<br />
> have a bad idea, but it's very poorly executed. Even if you fix the<br />
> issues you're having now, you'll just hit more down the line (or see<br />
> poor traffic due to errors that users will never bother to report -<br />
> they will just go elsewhere).<br />
<br />
Our stats say otherwise.<br />
<br />
Thanks for confirming that the site works for you. I do still wonder those <br />
other 2 people's Firefox don't work if yours and every other Firefox we can <br />
find does. Also other people in this thread did not report the issue either <br />
when testing.<br />
<br />
Not saying they're wrong, just saying it would be great if someone actually <br />
knew the specific reason, i.e. "this code on this line should read this".<br />
<br />
Saying "rewrite the entire site" for 2 users is not ideal I hope you <br />
understand.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 15:58:56 von lws4art</span>
<p>Mika wrote:<br />
> "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@centralva.net> wrote in message <br />
> news:e37c0$47460860$40cba7b0$2973@NAXS.COM...<br />
>> It's a "Spruce Goose", but we informed them that almost to years ago, but <br />
>> whatever we say now won't matter they are too deeply committed without an <br />
>> "exit strategy"<br />
> <br />
> We are flattered you talk about this like it is a big business. It is just <br />
> a hobby done in spare time! We think we have done quite well considering <br />
> that being beginners, and that we have incurred little or no startup <br />
> expenses. The site is accessed by thousands of repeat visitors monthly.<br />
<br />
Don't flatter yourself too much, I was referring to your mindset to your <br />
project. The product of your industry is self-revealing.<br />
> <br />
>>> You've posted your site in the past, and as I recall, each time someone<br />
>>> told you of problems, not the least of which was load times.<br />
>>><br />
>> Last time I check it was over 6MB...<br />
> <br />
> 6MB is not a load time. This site is clearly labelled as being for the <br />
> broadband generation. It says 'broadband recommended' on every page, and in <br />
> search engine listings, and the FAQ. 84% of the UK is now on broadband and <br />
> this is a UK oriented site. 6MB is about 2 seconds. Clearly that is not <br />
> really an issue to keep criticising the site for. As speeds increase this <br />
> will only become even less of an issue.<br />
> <br />
> This thread was about a Google/MS issue, but we appreciate any <br />
> 'constructive' polite comments.<br />
> <br />
>> your page is patchwork Frankenstein<br />
> <br />
> Unlike that. <br />
<br />
Denying real fundamental flaws in application and design does not make <br />
those flaws go away.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Take care,<br />
<br />
Jonathan<br />
-------------------<br />
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO<br />
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 16:28:07 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@centralva.net> wrote in message <br />
news:484e5$4746eaad$40cba7b4$24917@NAXS.COM...<br />
<br />
>> This thread was about a Google/MS issue, but we appreciate any <br />
>> 'constructive' polite comments.<br />
>><br />
>>> your page is patchwork Frankenstein<br />
>><br />
>> Unlike that.<br />
><br />
> Denying real fundamental flaws in application and design does not make <br />
> those flaws go away.<br />
<br />
One day you might take on board the point that it is the *way* you give <br />
advice that determines whether someone finds it helpful and therefore wishes <br />
to take it, or finds you rude and so ignores you or reacts badly, thus <br />
defeating the object of your advice.<br />
<br />
The advice may be taken either way ultimately with a clear mind, but you <br />
would not receive the thanks or kudos for providing it by insulting in the <br />
process.<br />
<br />
It just seems a strange way to act, but that is your prerogative.<br />
<br />
Mika</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 16:28:19 von lws4art</span>
<p>SpaceGirl wrote:<br />
<br />
> More likely he's using totally the wrong technology. If, for example,<br />
> you used AJAX to inject the shop images and links into a a DIV, while<br />
> dropping off the ones that have slid out of view... page width would<br />
> NEVER be an issue. It's a poorly thought out site I think.<br />
<br />
Been told that more than a year ago. Also your proficient in flash, a <br />
similar progressive loading of sections could be done in flash, right?<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Take care,<br />
<br />
Jonathan<br />
-------------------<br />
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO<br />
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 18:06:12 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>We have now CSS W3C Validated the site successfully and been given the W3C <br />
logo.<br />
<br />
Yet for some reason still we are seeing extra big lines on certain elements <br />
that are breaking up our top border and the streetscape table, only in <br />
Firefox.<br />
<br />
http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr<br />
<br />
Any constructive advice welcomed.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 18:59:40 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Mika" <anon@anon.com> wrote in message <br />
news:8MD1j.52026$c_1.19353@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...<br />
> We have now CSS W3C Validated the site successfully and been given the W3C <br />
> logo.<br />
><br />
> Yet for some reason still we are seeing extra big lines on certain <br />
> elements that are breaking up our top border and the streetscape table, <br />
> only in Firefox.<br />
><br />
> http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr<br />
><br />
> Any constructive advice welcomed.<br />
<br />
Little update:<br />
<br />
If we use this we get the additional spaces spoiling the formatting:<br />
<br />
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" <br />
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"><br />
<html><br />
<br />
But if we use Transitional we don't. We want to use strict, and the page <br />
validates without error, so what is causing the spacing?</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 19:06:36 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Mika" <anon@anon.com> wrote in message <br />
news:gyE1j.52065$c_1.50126@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...<br />
><br />
> "Mika" <anon@anon.com> wrote in message <br />
> news:8MD1j.52026$c_1.19353@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...<br />
>> We have now CSS W3C Validated the site successfully and been given the <br />
>> W3C logo.<br />
>><br />
>> Yet for some reason still we are seeing extra big lines on certain <br />
>> elements that are breaking up our top border and the streetscape table, <br />
>> only in Firefox.<br />
>><br />
>> http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr<br />
>><br />
>> Any constructive advice welcomed.<br />
><br />
> Little update:<br />
><br />
> If we use this we get the additional spaces spoiling the formatting:<br />
><br />
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" <br />
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"><br />
> <html><br />
><br />
> But if we use Transitional we don't. We want to use strict, and the page <br />
> validates without error, so what is causing the spacing?<br />
<br />
PS: It seems related only to Tables.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 20:53:00 von dorayme</span>
<p>In article <MEE1j.52068$c_1.32740@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,<br />
"Mika" <anon@anon.com> wrote:<br />
<br />
> >> Yet for some reason still we are seeing extra big lines on certain <br />
> >> elements that are breaking up our top border and the streetscape table, <br />
> >> only in Firefox.<br />
<br />
<br />
At least read <br />
<br />
http://tinyurl.com/24n2pd<br />
<br />
in case you are not aware of defaults that browsers bring to bear.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
dorayme</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 21:08:46 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 22 Nov 2007 23:18:04<br />
> GMT Mika scribed: <br />
><br />
> <br />
>> You are all very impressed with yourselves and abilities to understand<br />
>> HTML or j/s, but what we could teach you about interpersonal<br />
>> relationships!... <br />
>> <br />
>> Over and out.<br />
><br />
> Hey, these are the _nice_ guys! You should run into the hardcore cases <br />
> like Jukka and rf... Even ol' dorayme can spit some venom when rattled <br />
> agitatively. And Blinky The Shark - whoaaaaaa! There's a mouthful to <br />
> watch out for. You've been lucky, my man, so count your blessings.<br />
<br />
Speaking of mouthsful...<br />
<br />
http://blinkynet.net/sharks/stinkydent.html<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 21:11:51 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Mika wrote:<br />
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message <br />
> news:zGo1j.135008$kj1.119605@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att. net...<br />
>> In alt.html, Mika wrote:<br />
>><br />
>>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:<br />
>>>> Heh, googling for "george street online" (with quotes), the page<br />
>>>> isn't listed at all, so I guess Google has whacked his peepee for<br />
>>>> it.<br />
>>><br />
>>> That phrase does not exist in our site so you are intentionally not<br />
>>> finding it by putting it in quotes.<br />
>><br />
>> What?<br />
>><br />
>> <title>Virtual George Street Online Shopping, Richmond ...<br />
>> ...............^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br />
><br />
> Apologies, it had been a long day and we thought you were referring to the <br />
> keywords tag.<br />
><br />
> Thanks for the advice - we will amend the title.<br />
><br />
>> I would say anything I've typed here to your face. Are you gonna be in<br />
>> New York anytime soon?<br />
><br />
> No, we're too scared to now. Actually we weren't referring to you <br />
> specifically, just the general comments from others which are frankly rude <br />
> and we all know that they would not talk that way if not hiding behind a <br />
> screen.<br />
<br />
I do not know that. Your assumption of "all" is incorrect.<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 21:19:22 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Mika wrote:<br />
> "SpaceGirl" <nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote in message <br />
> news:f6ae717a-847b-4548-9f9f-fdc7f225dd72@o6g2000hsd.googleg roups.com...<br />
><br />
>> Seemed okay on my test machine here today (FireFox 2 & IE7, Windows<br />
>> XP). But I wonder about your site. You're using a lot of copyrighted<br />
>> and trademarked content... have ALL those shops agreed to let you use<br />
>> their "likeness"? I'm sure Nine West wont like having a picture of<br />
>> their shop with scaffold outside it, for example. Be careful with<br />
>> this...<br />
><br />
> We took all the photos ourselves.<br />
><br />
> All the shops get free advertising and publicity! It really isn't a cause <br />
> for complaint.<br />
><br />
> Most of them are willingly signed up affiliates.<br />
<br />
"Cause for complaint" will be decided by the shops which are, as you<br />
admit, *not* willingly signed up affiliates, if and when they become<br />
aware of your actions. "It's right" does not equal "It hasn't been<br />
discovered".<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 21:27:43 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"dorayme" <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message <br />
news:doraymeRidThis-D19337.06530024112007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...<br />
> In article <MEE1j.52068$c_1.32740@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,<br />
> "Mika" <anon@anon.com> wrote:<br />
><br />
>> >> Yet for some reason still we are seeing extra big lines on certain<br />
>> >> elements that are breaking up our top border and the streetscape <br />
>> >> table,<br />
>> >> only in Firefox.<br />
><br />
><br />
> At least read<br />
><br />
> http://tinyurl.com/24n2pd<br />
><br />
> in case you are not aware of defaults that browsers bring to bear.<br />
<br />
Thanks. Using the Strict Doctype someone in this group suggested caused <br />
this issue with erratic margins in different browsers, and cost us a day's <br />
work trying to make it fit. Reverting to our choice of Transitional has <br />
solved the problem and the site validates fine now.<br />
<br />
Thanks again.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 22:12:53 von dorayme</span>
<p>In article <3JG1j.52184$c_1.33694@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,<br />
"Mika" <anon@anon.com> wrote:<br />
<br />
> "dorayme" <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message <br />
> news:doraymeRidThis-D19337.06530024112007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...<br />
> > In article <MEE1j.52068$c_1.32740@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,<br />
> > "Mika" <anon@anon.com> wrote:<br />
> ><br />
> >> >> Yet for some reason still we are seeing extra big lines on certain<br />
> >> >> elements that are breaking up our top border and the streetscape <br />
> >> >> table,<br />
> >> >> only in Firefox.<br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> > At least read<br />
> ><br />
> > http://tinyurl.com/24n2pd<br />
> ><br />
> > in case you are not aware of defaults that browsers bring to bear.<br />
> <br />
> Thanks. Using the Strict Doctype someone in this group suggested caused <br />
> this issue with erratic margins in different browsers, and cost us a day's <br />
> work trying to make it fit. Reverting to our choice of Transitional has <br />
> solved the problem and the site validates fine now.<br />
<br />
My instinct on this - but I have purist interests which might not <br />
be always so practical - is that if you are having trouble with <br />
Strict, there is something else wrong with your markup and css <br />
that is best flushed out and dealt with.<br />
<br />
You did read the thread and particularly my post I recommended?<br />
<br />
I am very scared of any sites about shopping (I personally hate <br />
shopping) so pardon me for not examining your site closely. But I <br />
can say to you not to worry about small variations in looks <br />
between browsers. If you want more consistent looks across <br />
browsers, you need to attend closely to your margins and paddings <br />
and override default browser settings that fill in where authors <br />
say nothing. Some people go to the extreme of <br />
<br />
* {margin: 0; padding: 0;}<br />
<br />
which zeroes all element paddings and margins in one fell swoop. <br />
<br />
At least know this and use Strict and experiment with different <br />
browsers - when you have time - using this zeroeing to flush out <br />
what might be happening. It is a powerful weapon. And free, no <br />
need to go through any flashy shop door to purchase <g><br />
<br />
-- <br />
dorayme</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 23.11.2007 22:16:10 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"dorayme" <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message <br />
news:doraymeRidThis-83FD58.08125324112007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...<br />
> In article <3JG1j.52184$c_1.33694@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,<br />
> "Mika" <anon@anon.com> wrote:<br />
><br />
>> "dorayme" <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message<br />
>> news:doraymeRidThis-D19337.06530024112007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...<br />
>> > In article <MEE1j.52068$c_1.32740@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,<br />
>> > "Mika" <anon@anon.com> wrote:<br />
>> ><br />
>> >> >> Yet for some reason still we are seeing extra big lines on certain<br />
>> >> >> elements that are breaking up our top border and the streetscape<br />
>> >> >> table,<br />
>> >> >> only in Firefox.<br />
>> ><br />
>> ><br />
>> > At least read<br />
>> ><br />
>> > http://tinyurl.com/24n2pd<br />
>> ><br />
>> > in case you are not aware of defaults that browsers bring to bear.<br />
>><br />
>> Thanks. Using the Strict Doctype someone in this group suggested caused<br />
>> this issue with erratic margins in different browsers, and cost us a <br />
>> day's<br />
>> work trying to make it fit. Reverting to our choice of Transitional has<br />
>> solved the problem and the site validates fine now.<br />
><br />
> My instinct on this - but I have purist interests which might not<br />
> be always so practical - is that if you are having trouble with<br />
> Strict, there is something else wrong with your markup and css<br />
> that is best flushed out and dealt with.<br />
><br />
> You did read the thread and particularly my post I recommended?<br />
><br />
> I am very scared of any sites about shopping (I personally hate<br />
> shopping) so pardon me for not examining your site closely. But I<br />
> can say to you not to worry about small variations in looks<br />
> between browsers. If you want more consistent looks across<br />
> browsers, you need to attend closely to your margins and paddings<br />
> and override default browser settings that fill in where authors<br />
> say nothing. Some people go to the extreme of<br />
><br />
> * {margin: 0; padding: 0;}<br />
><br />
> which zeroes all element paddings and margins in one fell swoop.<br />
><br />
> At least know this and use Strict and experiment with different<br />
> browsers - when you have time - using this zeroeing to flush out<br />
> what might be happening. It is a powerful weapon. And free, no<br />
> need to go through any flashy shop door to purchase <g><br />
<br />
:D It's a good idea, maybe for another day. Everything looks good now so <br />
if the formatting ain't broke, we ain't gonna fix it. Even if it is free ;)<br />
<br />
All that was wrong actually was the margins of tables show differenty by <br />
design in Firefox, so it's not a code issue, it's just Strict is more <br />
Strict.</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 00:42:34 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:08:46 GMT <br />
Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
<br />
>> Hey, these are the _nice_ guys! You should run into the hardcore cases <br />
>> like Jukka and rf... Even ol' dorayme can spit some venom when rattled <br />
>> agitatively. And Blinky The Shark - whoaaaaaa! There's a mouthful to <br />
>> watch out for. You've been lucky, my man, so count your blessings.<br />
> <br />
> Speaking of mouthsful...<br />
> <br />
> http://blinkynet.net/sharks/stinkydent.html<br />
<br />
I see your point. The "before" Stinky looks more like a failed patent <br />
application for a back scratcher, at least to humans. However, maybe some <br />
fish thought he might've been nibbling at oysters just a little too <br />
enthusiastically. <br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 02:17:54 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:08:46 GMT <br />
> Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
><br />
>>> Hey, these are the _nice_ guys! You should run into the hardcore cases <br />
>>> like Jukka and rf... Even ol' dorayme can spit some venom when rattled <br />
>>> agitatively. And Blinky The Shark - whoaaaaaa! There's a mouthful to <br />
>>> watch out for. You've been lucky, my man, so count your blessings.<br />
>> <br />
>> Speaking of mouthsful...<br />
>> <br />
>> http://blinkynet.net/sharks/stinkydent.html<br />
><br />
> I see your point. The "before" Stinky looks more like a failed patent <br />
> application for a back scratcher, at least to humans. However, maybe some <br />
> fish thought he might've been nibbling at oysters just a little too <br />
> enthusiastically. <br />
<br />
You didn't confuse Before and After, didya?<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 10:20:14 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Blinky the Shark" <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote in message <br />
news:slrnfkedef.ocq.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net...<br />
> Mika wrote:<br />
>> "SpaceGirl" <nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote in message<br />
>> news:f6ae717a-847b-4548-9f9f-fdc7f225dd72@o6g2000hsd.googleg roups.com...<br />
>><br />
>>> Seemed okay on my test machine here today (FireFox 2 & IE7, Windows<br />
>>> XP). But I wonder about your site. You're using a lot of copyrighted<br />
>>> and trademarked content... have ALL those shops agreed to let you use<br />
>>> their "likeness"? I'm sure Nine West wont like having a picture of<br />
>>> their shop with scaffold outside it, for example. Be careful with<br />
>>> this...<br />
>><br />
>> We took all the photos ourselves.<br />
>><br />
>> All the shops get free advertising and publicity! It really isn't a <br />
>> cause<br />
>> for complaint.<br />
>><br />
>> Most of them are willingly signed up affiliates.<br />
><br />
> "Cause for complaint" will be decided by the shops which are, as you<br />
> admit, *not* willingly signed up affiliates, if and when they become<br />
> aware of your actions. "It's right" does not equal "It hasn't been<br />
> discovered".<br />
<br />
Every single shop is aware thank you very much, your assumption of "all" is <br />
wrong. However 50% do not have an affiliate programme, therefore we list <br />
them for free. Hence, most of them are willingly signed up affiliates. The <br />
rest would if they could but they can't so they don't. Do you want us to <br />
explain it any more so you can decide if it is okay or not?<br />
<br />
If you can find me a shop who doesn't want to be advertised free of charge <br />
on a website that gets as many hits per year as the actual real street, I'll <br />
eat your shark stinkydent.<br />
<br />
The site has been running for 1.5 years, with over 400 shops listed, and not <br />
a single complaint. You really are quite blatently wrong. It is incredible <br />
how we ask:<br />
<br />
Q: IE cannot open Internet site ... Operation aborted<br />
and get the response<br />
A: You should be careful the shops on your site don't sue you<br />
<br />
Er...<br />
<br />
People! :-S</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 11:02:37 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Mika wrote:<br />
> "Blinky the Shark" <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote in message <br />
> news:slrnfkedef.ocq.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net...<br />
>> Mika wrote:<br />
>>> "SpaceGirl" <nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote in message<br />
>>> news:f6ae717a-847b-4548-9f9f-fdc7f225dd72@o6g2000hsd.googleg roups.com...<br />
>>><br />
>>>> Seemed okay on my test machine here today (FireFox 2 & IE7, Windows<br />
>>>> XP). But I wonder about your site. You're using a lot of copyrighted<br />
>>>> and trademarked content... have ALL those shops agreed to let you use<br />
>>>> their "likeness"? I'm sure Nine West wont like having a picture of<br />
>>>> their shop with scaffold outside it, for example. Be careful with<br />
>>>> this...<br />
>>><br />
>>> We took all the photos ourselves.<br />
>>><br />
>>> All the shops get free advertising and publicity! It really isn't a <br />
>>> cause<br />
>>> for complaint.<br />
>>><br />
>>> Most of them are willingly signed up affiliates.<br />
>><br />
>> "Cause for complaint" will be decided by the shops which are, as you<br />
>> admit, *not* willingly signed up affiliates, if and when they become<br />
>> aware of your actions. "It's right" does not equal "It hasn't been<br />
>> discovered".<br />
><br />
> Every single shop is aware thank you very much, your assumption of "all" is <br />
<br />
Okay. "Most of them are willingly signed up affiliates" made it sound<br />
from the outside (i.e., without your insider's knowledge) that some of<br />
them had not opted in.<br />
<br />
> wrong. However 50% do not have an affiliate programme, therefore we list <br />
> them for free. Hence, most of them are willingly signed up affiliates. The <br />
> rest would if they could but they can't so they don't. Do you want us to <br />
> explain it any more so you can decide if it is okay or not?<br />
<br />
No, explaining it adequately once, as you have just done, is...well,<br />
adequate.<br />
<br />
> The site has been running for 1.5 years, with over 400 shops listed, and not <br />
> a single complaint. You really are quite blatently wrong. It is incredible <br />
> how we ask:<br />
><br />
> Q: IE cannot open Internet site ... Operation aborted<br />
> and get the response<br />
> A: You should be careful the shops on your site don't sue you<br />
<br />
This is a discussion group. You got discussion. Were you thinking this<br />
was alt.www.webmaster.helpdesk? Do you believe you are entitled to a<br />
refund?<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 14:31:37 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message <br />
news:K%j1j.41394$if6.30738@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.ne t...<br />
> In alt.html, Mika wrote:<br />
><br />
> Firefox 2.0.0.9, JavaScript on:<br />
> "Please be patient while we teleport you there<br />
> (around 15 secs via fast broadband ...so a bit quicker than driving!)"<br />
><br />
> Still waiting, ten minutes later (on a 10Mbps connection), for whatever<br />
> that "progress bar" is supposed to represent.<br />
<br />
Was it literally 10 minutes? Would you be kind enough to test again for us <br />
please, now we are W3C certified.<br />
Here is the link to our site: http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr<br />
<br />
Since yours and the 1 other message reporting an issue that the others did <br />
not have, we have tested on 6 other random machines, running XP or Vista and <br />
various flavours of Firefox with JS *on*. Without exception *all* load the <br />
page in 2-8 seconds via Broadband 2Mb/s and no problems whatsoever. This <br />
follows the experience of users of the site, and 1.5 years past testing on <br />
Firefox.<br />
<br />
> What is that row of four unidentified icons for?<br />
<br />
Google Adwords not showing is a symptom of having JS disabled. To save us <br />
hours more work in case it was off, please check again that JS is on when <br />
you test.<br />
<br />
> There is a huge empty blue area below the "progress bar."<br />
<br />
That is where the JS streetscape and map go, hence JS sounds disabled. <br />
There is a clear <noscript> message to say to enable it, and it is also <br />
listed in the FAQ as being required.<br />
<br />
>>> My Advice....<br />
>>><br />
>>> 3) Fix the HTML - Having three <head>, and three <body> tags is an<br />
>>> abortion! LINK can ONLY go in the header. Your page is such a mess it<br />
>>> can't be described as "tag soup". It a dogs breakfast! Fix.<br />
<br />
Done. Now W3C validated. Feels better.<br />
<br />
> Why isn't this site Strict instead of Transitional?<br />
<br />
We tried this but it caused us many problems with different margin <br />
formatting in different browsers. Transitional works, so makes sense to <br />
use.<br />
<br />
> There's nothing wrong with my "system(s)".<br />
<br />
Please check JS is on.<br />
<br />
If not, are you running ad blocking software? If so we assume it is easy to <br />
temporarily not enable it, and try the link again? Thanks.<br />
<br />
> You've posted your site in the past, and as I recall, each time someone<br />
> told you of problems, not the least of which was load times.<br />
<br />
It is very hard to fix an issue which we cannot recreate on any broadband PC <br />
in Europe and which nobody has reported. Hopefully you are able to help us <br />
as you have reported it. Thanks for your assistance.<br />
<br />
Mika</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 14:33:16 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Ian Hobson" <ian.hobson@ntlworld.com> wrote in message <br />
news:MyX0j.596$8k2.353@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...<br />
> Mika wrote:<br />
>> Hello, we understand you guys may be able to help.<br />
>><br />
>> We have a page which has been working great for over a year and gets many <br />
>> hits. However recently something got changed that we cannot seem to <br />
>> find, and now *sometimes* if you refresh the page (generally while it is <br />
>> still loading) in IE7, we get the popup window error:<br />
>><br />
>> Internet Explorer cannot open the Internet site...<br />
>> Operation aborted<br />
><br />
> I had to disable javascript just to get the page to load into Firefox.<br />
<br />
Ian can you please kindly check again now it is W3C certified CSS:<br />
http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr<br />
<br />
JS must be *on* for it to load.<br />
<br />
Thank you.</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 15:19:50 von VK</span>
<p>> > Still waiting, ten minutes later (on a 10Mbps connection), for whatever<br />
> > that "progress bar" is supposed to represent.<br />
><br />
> Was it literally 10 minutes? Would you be kind enough to test again for us<br />
> please, now we are W3C certified.<br />
> Here is the link to our site:http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr<br />
<br />
The respondent has JavaScript disabled, so he's trying to tell you in<br />
a indirect way that your site is missing a "Go to hell, looser"<br />
message which is indeed suggested for any script-driven solution. At<br />
the very bottom of your page (so to not be occasionally used by robots<br />
in the index description) put something like:<br />
<br />
<!-- WARNING IF CLIENT-SIDE SCRIPT IS DISABLED --><br />
<noscript<br />
><div style="position: absolute; z-index: 1; left: 10px; top: 5px;<br />
width: 40%; border: thick double red; padding: 10px<br />
10px;<br />
background-color: yellow; font: bold larger serif;<br />
color: red;"<br />
><p>JavaScript on this page couldn't be executed, as a result some<br />
elements may have<br />
a limited functionality or they may be not parsed properly.</p<br />
><p>If it is not currently possible to you to use JavaScript then<br />
for the best user<br />
experience you may <a href="index_noscript.html">use a simplified<br />
version of this page</a></p<br />
></div<br />
></noscript></p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 15:57:59 von a.nony.mous</span>
<p>In alt.html, VK wrote:<br />
<br />
>> {Beau wrote:] [please don't snip attributes, thanks.]<br />
>>> Still waiting, ten minutes later (on a 10Mbps connection), for<br />
>>> whatever that "progress bar" is supposed to represent.<br />
> [Mika wrote:]<br />
>> Was it literally 10 minutes? Would you be kind enough to test again<br />
>> for us please, now we are W3C certified [1]. Here is the link to our<br />
>> site: http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr<br />
> <br />
> The respondent has JavaScript disabled, so he's trying to tell you in<br />
> a indirect way that your site is missing a "Go to hell, looser [sic]"<br />
> message which is indeed suggested for any script-driven solution.<br />
<br />
No, at the time, JavaScript was enabled. And it was ten minutes when I<br />
posted that, but the progress bar never stopped 'progressing' for much<br />
longer until I finally killed the page, probably over twenty minutes. I<br />
think it was more likely a server issue at that time, simply not<br />
delivering whatever content was supposed to be sent. I've noticed this<br />
several times looking at his page.<br />
<br />
As I alluded in some other post, it could have been that 'big pond'<br />
betwixt the server and me.<br />
<br />
[1] Still has errors which Mika doesn't care about.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
-bts<br />
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 16:15:57 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:17:54<br />
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
<br />
>>> Speaking of mouthsful...<br />
>>> <br />
>>> http://blinkynet.net/sharks/stinkydent.html<br />
>><br />
>> I see your point. The "before" Stinky looks more like a failed<br />
>> patent application for a back scratcher, at least to humans. <br />
>> However, maybe some fish thought he might've been nibbling at oysters<br />
>> just a little too enthusiastically. <br />
> <br />
> You didn't confuse Before and After, didya?<br />
<br />
Nah, though it is fairly true that all fish look alike to me.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 16:30:15 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:20:14<br />
GMT Mika scribed: <br />
<br />
> It is incredible how we ask:<br />
> <br />
> Q: IE cannot open Internet site ... Operation aborted<br />
> and get the response<br />
> A: You should be careful the shops on your site don't sue you<br />
> <br />
> Er...<br />
> <br />
> People! :-S <br />
<br />
It is incredible how we reply "Do this, do that," and you answer "Okay, <br />
I'll do this but I don't wanna do that because it screws up something else <br />
and the site _has_ been working successfully as-is for over a year..."<br />
<br />
Fishbowl or arrogance - which is it?<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 17:57:49 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:17:54<br />
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
><br />
>>>> Speaking of mouthsful...<br />
>>>> <br />
>>>> http://blinkynet.net/sharks/stinkydent.html<br />
>>><br />
>>> I see your point. The "before" Stinky looks more like a failed<br />
>>> patent application for a back scratcher, at least to humans. <br />
>>> However, maybe some fish thought he might've been nibbling at oysters<br />
>>> just a little too enthusiastically. <br />
>> <br />
>> You didn't confuse Before and After, didya?<br />
> <br />
> Nah, though it is fairly true that all fish look alike to me.<br />
<br />
Speciesist! ;)<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 19:14:06 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"VK" <schools_ring@yahoo.com> wrote in message <br />
news:90681fc8-b31c-4d3a-a592-c530ac1ae1c9@i29g2000prf.google groups.com...<br />
<br />
> The respondent has JavaScript disabled, so he's trying to tell you in<br />
> a indirect way that your site is missing a "Go to hell, looser"<br />
> message which is indeed suggested for any script-driven solution. At<br />
> the very bottom of your page (so to not be occasionally used by robots<br />
> in the index description) put something like:<br />
<br />
Yes we thought he did too. We already had that warning on the page in <br />
<noscript> tags and it displays correctly on FF.<br />
<br />
Thanks.</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 19:17:38 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message <br />
news:XZW1j.143912$kj1.99632@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.n et...<br />
> In alt.html, VK wrote:<br />
><br />
>>> {Beau wrote:] [please don't snip attributes, thanks.]<br />
>>>> Still waiting, ten minutes later (on a 10Mbps connection), for<br />
>>>> whatever that "progress bar" is supposed to represent.<br />
>> [Mika wrote:]<br />
>>> Was it literally 10 minutes? Would you be kind enough to test again<br />
>>> for us please, now we are W3C certified [1]. Here is the link to our<br />
>>> site: http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr<br />
>><br />
>> The respondent has JavaScript disabled, so he's trying to tell you in<br />
>> a indirect way that your site is missing a "Go to hell, looser [sic]"<br />
>> message which is indeed suggested for any script-driven solution.<br />
><br />
> No, at the time, JavaScript was enabled. And it was ten minutes when I<br />
> posted that, but the progress bar never stopped 'progressing' for much<br />
> longer until I finally killed the page, probably over twenty minutes. I<br />
> think it was more likely a server issue at that time, simply not<br />
> delivering whatever content was supposed to be sent. I've noticed this<br />
> several times looking at his page.<br />
><br />
> As I alluded in some other post, it could have been that 'big pond'<br />
> betwixt the server and me.<br />
<br />
This is all very strange. You are the only confirmed visitor *with* JS <br />
apparently enabled, who seems to have their JS blocked for AdWords and <br />
Google Maps. Those are the elements you claim did not appear with JS <br />
enabled, while you tested our site for 20 minutes.<br />
<br />
Now you are saying that the fact our servers are in the UK somehow disabled <br />
JS. :-S We use the UK's most reliable company, LiquidSix, who have a <br />
>99.9% uptime.<br />
<br />
We still think you had JS off. Please try it now with JS on and our new <br />
validated code.<br />
<br />
> [1] Still has errors which Mika doesn't care about.<br />
<br />
Strange people here. We have spent 2 days refining the code to be as W3C <br />
friendly as possible. Why give us feedback, which we act on, if you are <br />
then going to make bizarre comments like that? If you have nothing nice to <br />
say, don't feel the need to respond.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 19:25:32 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Bone Ur" <monstersquasher@yahoo.com> wrote in message <br />
news:Xns99F2567FC2910boneurhyphe@85.214.90.236...<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:20:14<br />
> GMT Mika scribed:<br />
><br />
>> It is incredible how we ask:<br />
>><br />
>> Q: IE cannot open Internet site ... Operation aborted<br />
>> and get the response<br />
>> A: You should be careful the shops on your site don't sue you<br />
>><br />
>> Er...<br />
>><br />
>> People! :-S<br />
><br />
> It is incredible how we reply "Do this, do that," and you answer "Okay,<br />
> I'll do this but I don't wanna do that because it screws up something else<br />
> and the site _has_ been working successfully as-is for over a year..."<br />
><br />
> Fishbowl or arrogance - which is it?<br />
<br />
Logic. If the site works perfectly which it does right now on any decent <br />
broadband computer it was designed for, why change something because someone <br />
here tells us to, if it breaks the site.<br />
<br />
Remember you guys are all a minority to the general public, who don't know <br />
or care if the word Transitional or Strict is at the top of a page as long <br />
as it looks and loads right.<br />
<br />
They also don't mess around disabling JS, installing Ad Blockers, etc. <br />
generally speaking.<br />
<br />
Over the past year we had 5.5 million page views in IE. 0.5m in FF. This <br />
is why we cater for IE mostly, but the site is FF compatible also. And not <br />
one complaint from FF users that the doctype is not 100% valid as there are <br />
12 minor inconsistencies in the code! Come on, the site works as designed.<br />
<br />
The only issue we do agree with is the load times can be high, however not <br />
by broadband, which as we say, the site is labelled as being designed for.<br />
<br />
What exactly else is there to complain about? We have taken on some <br />
valuable advice here and the site is now CSS W3C validated and a lot cleaner <br />
thanks to the input here.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 20:37:15 von a.nony.mous</span>
<p>In alt.html, Mika wrote:<br />
<br />
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:<br />
>> No, at the time, JavaScript was enabled. And it was ten minutes when<br />
>> I posted that, but the progress bar never stopped 'progressing' for<br />
>> much longer until I finally killed the page, probably over twenty<br />
>> minutes. I think it was more likely a server issue at that time,<br />
>> simply not delivering whatever content was supposed to be sent. I've<br />
>> noticed this several times looking at his page. <br />
>> <br />
>> As I alluded in some other post, it could have been that 'big pond'<br />
>> betwixt the server and me.<br />
> <br />
> This is all very strange. You are the only confirmed visitor *with* JS <br />
> apparently enabled, who seems to have their JS blocked for AdWords<br />
<br />
The Google Adwords/Adsense servers are in our HOSTS file. We never see<br />
them, on any site. This is somewhat common. Google for "HOSTS file"<br />
<br />
> and Google Maps.<br />
<br />
We use Google Maps all the time, and they are not blocked. We see your<br />
map and never said we didn't.<br />
<br />
> Those are the elements you claim did not appear with JS <br />
> enabled, while you tested our site for 20 minutes.<br />
<br />
Once again, the page was trying to load something (hourglass and your<br />
progress bar) and it never finished.<br />
<br />
> Now you are saying that the fact our servers are in the UK somehow disabled <br />
> JS. :-S <br />
<br />
We never said that. Stop making stuff up.<br />
<br />
> We use the UK's most reliable company, LiquidSix, who have a <br />
> 99.9% uptime.<br />
<br />
Well then we think it must have been that 0.01% ...<br />
<br />
> We still think you had JS off. Please try it now with JS on and our new <br />
> validated code.<br />
<br />
We did not have JavaScript off. Get to realize that, chums.<br />
<br />
>> [1] Still has errors which Mika doesn't care about.<br />
> <br />
> Strange people here. We have spent 2 days refining the code to be as<br />
> W3C friendly as possible. Why give us feedback, which we act on, if<br />
> you are then going to make bizarre comments like that?<br />
<br />
Bizarre? You yourself said (the "we" you refer to yourself as) that you<br />
didn't care to fix the errors.<br />
<br />
<http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.superhighstreet.com%2FGeorge-Street-Richmond%2Findex.shtml><br />
This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional!<br />
Result: Failed validation, 12 Errors<br />
<br />
Why do you have target="_blank" on an <iframe> ?<br />
<br />
<http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2&warning=2&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.superhighstreet.com%2FGeorge-Street-Richmond%2Findex.shtml><br />
No errors now, but 146 warnings.<br />
<br />
and you still haven't assigned a background color to: body { }<br />
That should take you about ten seconds to fix.<br />
<br />
> If you have nothing nice to say, don't feel the need to respond.<br />
<br />
"Your site is simply gorgeous, best site we've seen on the Web in years,<br />
loads quicker'n a greased goose, and we'll shop there every day!!!1!!"<br />
<br />
(Notice our use of "we" everywhere in our post. <g> Silly, ain't it?)<br />
<br />
-- <br />
-bts<br />
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 21:00:01 von Ed Mullen</span>
<p>Mika wrote:<br />
<br />
> The only issue we do agree with is the load times can be high, however not <br />
> by broadband, which as we say, the site is labelled as being designed for.<br />
<br />
FYI, the page took over 2 minutes to load here in Atlanta, GA on a 6 <br />
Mbps cable connection, current version of SeaMonkey.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Ed Mullen<br />
http://edmullen.net<br />
http://mozilla.edmullen.net<br />
http://abington.edmullen.net<br />
Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 21:16:37 von VK</span>
<p>On Nov 24, 10:37 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"<br />
> The Google Adwords/Adsense servers are in our HOSTS file.<br />
> We never see<br />
> them, on any site.This is somewhat common. Google for "HOSTS file"<br />
><br />
> We use Google Maps all the time, and they are not blocked. We see your map and never said we didn't.<br />
<br />
http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS<br />
<br />
17.1 Some of the Services are supported by advertising revenue and<br />
may display advertisements and promotions. These advertisements may be<br />
targeted to the content of information stored on the Services, queries<br />
made through the Services or other information.<br />
<br />
17.2 The manner, mode and extent of advertising by Google on the<br />
Services are subject to change without specific notice to you.<br />
<br />
17.3 In consideration for Google granting you access to and use of<br />
the Services, you agree that Google may place such advertising on the<br />
Services.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 21:32:22 von Adrienne Boswell</span>
<p>Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Mika" <anon@anon.com> writing in<br />
news:w0_1j.52659$c_1.49406@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk: <br />
<br />
> <br />
> "Bone Ur" <monstersquasher@yahoo.com> wrote in message <br />
> news:Xns99F2567FC2910boneurhyphe@85.214.90.236...<br />
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007<br />
>> 09:20:14 GMT Mika scribed:<br />
>><br />
>>> It is incredible how we ask:<br />
>>><br />
>>> Q: IE cannot open Internet site ... Operation aborted<br />
>>> and get the response<br />
>>> A: You should be careful the shops on your site don't sue you<br />
>>><br />
>>> Er...<br />
>>><br />
>>> People! :-S<br />
>><br />
>> It is incredible how we reply "Do this, do that," and you answer<br />
>> "Okay, I'll do this but I don't wanna do that because it screws up<br />
>> something else and the site _has_ been working successfully as-is for<br />
>> over a year..." <br />
>><br />
>> Fishbowl or arrogance - which is it?<br />
> <br />
> Logic. If the site works perfectly which it does right now on any<br />
> decent broadband computer it was designed for, why change something<br />
> because someone here tells us to, if it breaks the site.<br />
<br />
Because you don't know what these issues are going to mean in the <br />
future. Remember Netscape 4? If you were missing an ending td, the <br />
entire page would not render. Now, most browsers correct for that, but, <br />
that doesn't mean that will always be so. <br />
<br />
> <br />
> Remember you guys are all a minority to the general public, who don't<br />
> know or care if the word Transitional or Strict is at the top of a<br />
> page as long as it looks and loads right.<br />
> <br />
> They also don't mess around disabling JS, installing Ad Blockers, etc.<br />
> generally speaking.<br />
<br />
A lot of people install Ad Blockers, or they install a suite that has ad <br />
blocking enabled by default (Kerio/Sunbelt Personal Firewall, Norton <br />
Antispam, McAfee Internet Security Suite, Panda, AVG, etc). Other people <br />
have host files enabled, and those also block ads, or they block certain <br />
ip addresses. Some people have friends like me, who install things like <br />
this to protect their computers from hackers and such.<br />
<br />
> <br />
> Over the past year we had 5.5 million page views in IE. 0.5m in FF. <br />
> This is why we cater for IE mostly, but the site is FF compatible<br />
> also. <br />
<br />
There should not be a compatiblity issue with _any_ browser. <br />
<br />
> And not one complaint from FF users that the doctype is not<br />
> 100% valid as there are 12 minor inconsistencies in the code! Come<br />
> on, the site works as designed. <br />
<br />
It works now, for some people. You have no idea what could be coming in <br />
the future. This is the same thing that happened with Microsoft - DOS <br />
had some minor inconsistancies, and Windows was built on it - we all <br />
know how often Microsoft puts out patches.<br />
<br />
> <br />
> The only issue we do agree with is the load times can be high, however<br />
> not by broadband, which as we say, the site is labelled as being<br />
> designed for. <br />
<br />
I have broadband, and do a lot of online shopping - my groceries, ebay, <br />
things for my home, etc. If a site doesn't load quickly, and isn't <br />
simple to use, I'm gone - quick, and never to return. I can always <br />
Google for the item I want and find it somewhere else.<br />
<br />
There are still a lot of people who don't have broadband, or their <br />
broadband is slow because of where they are. Basically, you are <br />
discriminating against these shoppers. You need to be careful, you <br />
could easily be sued.<br />
<br />
> <br />
> What exactly else is there to complain about? We have taken on some <br />
> valuable advice here and the site is now CSS W3C validated and a lot<br />
> cleaner thanks to the input here. <br />
> <br />
> <br />
<br />
Passing HTML validation means that you have completed the markup without <br />
errors. I'm sure all this is done serverside, do you have errors in the <br />
serverside coding as well? Things that will work, with "minor <br />
inconsistencies"? How often are you going to have to go back and fix <br />
something because it failed? <br />
<br />
Your best bet is to start with a clean page, then start adding things <br />
and validate each time. Right now, you're trying to fix spagetti - you <br />
need to go one stand at a time. Yes, it's going to take longer, but it <br />
will be worth it because your site will be pretty bullet proof in the <br />
future.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Adrienne Boswell at Home<br />
Arbpen Web Site Design Services<br />
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info<br />
Please respond to the group so others can share</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 21:38:43 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:57:49 GMT <br />
Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
<br />
>> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
>><br />
>>>>> Speaking of mouthsful...<br />
>>>>> <br />
>>>>> http://blinkynet.net/sharks/stinkydent.html<br />
>>>><br />
>>>> I see your point. The "before" Stinky looks more like a failed<br />
>>>> patent application for a back scratcher, at least to humans. <br />
>>>> However, maybe some fish thought he might've been nibbling at oysters<br />
>>>> just a little too enthusiastically. <br />
>>> <br />
>>> You didn't confuse Before and After, didya?<br />
>> <br />
>> Nah, though it is fairly true that all fish look alike to me.<br />
> <br />
> Speciesist! ;)<br />
<br />
<grin><br />
<br />
Like that word. 'Never been called that before and I've been called a lot <br />
of things. But the fact is that fish just don't have any civil rights. <br />
They also smell and swim with their own poop so is it any wonder that <br />
people generally consider them repulsive except in a frying pan? I <br />
personally don't have anything against fish per se, but most of them are <br />
still wet behind the ears and being so basically worthless doesn't <br />
particularly lead the higher life forms to generate much thought about the <br />
subject one way or the other. Fish themselves probably look at it as a <br />
sort of prolonged version of "War of the Worlds" and realize their <br />
inadequacies are just part of their miserable daily existence. <br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 21:45:35 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:37:15<br />
GMT Beauregard T. Shagnasty scribed: <br />
<br />
> "Your site is simply gorgeous, best site we've seen on the Web in<br />
> years, loads quicker'n a greased goose, and we'll shop there every<br />
> day!!!1!!" <br />
> <br />
> (Notice our use of "we" everywhere in our post. <g> Silly, ain't it?)<br />
<br />
Gosh, I hope this thread doesn't degenerate into one of those typical <br />
epithet-tossing contests between a bunch of we wes.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 21:56:44 von dorayme</span>
<p>In article <Xns99F2567FC2910boneurhyphe@85.214.90.236>,<br />
Bone Ur <monstersquasher@yahoo.com> wrote:<br />
<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:20:14<br />
> GMT Mika scribed: <br />
> <br />
> > It is incredible how we ask:<br />
> > <br />
> > Q: IE cannot open Internet site ... Operation aborted<br />
> > and get the response<br />
> > A: You should be careful the shops on your site don't sue you<br />
> > <br />
> > Er...<br />
> > <br />
> > People! :-S <br />
> <br />
> It is incredible how we reply "Do this, do that," and you answer "Okay, <br />
> I'll do this but I don't wanna do that because it screws up something else <br />
> and the site _has_ been working successfully as-is for over a year..."<br />
> <br />
> Fishbowl or arrogance - which is it?<br />
<br />
O come on... OP is doing the best he can, he is trying to take on <br />
board things put to him as best as he understands the advice and <br />
his situation and business. He has not the same background as <br />
some of the regulars here. It is hard for someone coming for <br />
advice about one thing and getting drawn into thickets of things <br />
which he might be a little hazy on. He needs to tread carefully <br />
and preserve what he has worked hard to achieve and go forward in <br />
ways that do not present him with even greater unknowns.<br />
<br />
Be a little kinder and more patient. It won't kill you.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
dorayme</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 21:59:42 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:25:32<br />
GMT Mika scribed: <br />
<br />
>> It is incredible how we reply "Do this, do that," and you answer<br />
>> "Okay, I'll do this but I don't wanna do that because it screws up<br />
>> something else and the site _has_ been working successfully as-is for<br />
>> over a year..." <br />
>><br />
>> Fishbowl or arrogance - which is it?<br />
> <br />
> Logic. If the site works perfectly which it does right now on any<br />
> decent broadband computer it was designed for, why change something<br />
> because someone here tells us to, if it breaks the site.<br />
> <br />
> Remember you guys are all a minority to the general public, who don't<br />
> know or care if the word Transitional or Strict is at the top of a<br />
> page as long as it looks and loads right.<br />
> <br />
> They also don't mess around disabling JS, installing Ad Blockers, etc.<br />
> generally speaking.<br />
> <br />
> Over the past year we had 5.5 million page views in IE. 0.5m in FF. <br />
> This is why we cater for IE mostly, but the site is FF compatible<br />
> also. And not one complaint from FF users that the doctype is not<br />
> 100% valid as there are 12 minor inconsistencies in the code! Come<br />
> on, the site works as designed. <br />
> <br />
> The only issue we do agree with is the load times can be high, however<br />
> not by broadband, which as we say, the site is labelled as being<br />
> designed for. <br />
> <br />
> What exactly else is there to complain about? We have taken on some <br />
> valuable advice here and the site is now CSS W3C validated and a lot<br />
> cleaner thanks to the input here. <br />
<br />
The most efficient form of government is a dictatorship and it works very <br />
well for a while - sometimes a long while. Does that make it right?<br />
<br />
The biggest problem I have with your page is when you say you have to put <br />
something (javascript, I think) _outside_ the body tags. The reason is a <br />
flaw in Google maps or something similar. Well, that dog don't hunt. <br />
Can't you put the j/s in the head section - where it's valid to do so? <br />
Sure, an exception or 2 to valid markup may (rarely) be ok for a damn <br />
good reason, but putting markup and/or j/s code in the wrong place <br />
exceeds such leeway considerably.<br />
<br />
Let's put it this way: does _everybody_ who employs Google Maps on one <br />
of their pages install the markup/code outside the body tags? Somehow, I <br />
don't think so.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 22:19:59 von dorayme</span>
<p>In article <SK-dnfE-O5tfH9XanZ2dnUVZ_tLinZ2d@comcast.com>,<br />
Ed Mullen <ed@edmullen.net> wrote:<br />
<br />
> Mika wrote:<br />
> <br />
> > The only issue we do agree with is the load times can be high, however not <br />
> > by broadband, which as we say, the site is labelled as being designed for.<br />
> <br />
> FYI, the page took over 2 minutes to load here in Atlanta, GA on a 6 <br />
> Mbps cable connection, current version of SeaMonkey.<br />
<br />
Here in Sydney on my telephone line ADSL it was 15 sec to see <br />
pretty well all and 25 sec before FF stopped the spinning wheel.<br />
<br />
My Bandwidth meter download add on tool in FF reports:<br />
<br />
Your current download speed is: 6.77 Mbps<br />
<br />
-- <br />
dorayme</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 22:25:43 von dorayme</span>
<p>In article <Xns99F27F55AFF95arbpenyahoocom@69.28.186.121>,<br />
Adrienne Boswell <arbpen@yahoo.com> wrote:<br />
<br />
> Basically, you are <br />
> discriminating against these shoppers. You need to be careful, you <br />
> could easily be sued.<br />
<br />
He could not easily be sued successfully. A luxury service like <br />
some taxis and hire-cars and valets hardly discriminates against <br />
poor people in any legal sense.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
dorayme</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 23:16:20 von a.nony.mous</span>
<p>In alt.html, VK wrote:<br />
<br />
> http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS<br />
<snip><br />
<br />
You replied to the wrong person.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
-bts<br />
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 23:47:28 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"dorayme" <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message <br />
news:doraymeRidThis-21C511.07564425112007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...<br />
> In article <Xns99F2567FC2910boneurhyphe@85.214.90.236>,<br />
> Bone Ur <monstersquasher@yahoo.com> wrote:<br />
><br />
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:20:14<br />
>> GMT Mika scribed:<br />
>><br />
>> > It is incredible how we ask:<br />
>> ><br />
>> > Q: IE cannot open Internet site ... Operation aborted<br />
>> > and get the response<br />
>> > A: You should be careful the shops on your site don't sue you<br />
>> ><br />
>> > Er...<br />
>> ><br />
>> > People! :-S<br />
>><br />
>> It is incredible how we reply "Do this, do that," and you answer "Okay,<br />
>> I'll do this but I don't wanna do that because it screws up something <br />
>> else<br />
>> and the site _has_ been working successfully as-is for over a year..."<br />
>><br />
>> Fishbowl or arrogance - which is it?<br />
><br />
> O come on... OP is doing the best he can, he is trying to take on<br />
> board things put to him as best as he understands the advice and<br />
> his situation and business. He has not the same background as<br />
> some of the regulars here. It is hard for someone coming for<br />
> advice about one thing and getting drawn into thickets of things<br />
> which he might be a little hazy on. He needs to tread carefully<br />
> and preserve what he has worked hard to achieve and go forward in<br />
> ways that do not present him with even greater unknowns.<br />
><br />
> Be a little kinder and more patient. It won't kill you.<br />
<br />
Thanks, and thanks for confirming the page loads fast for you in Oz.<br />
<br />
Mika<br />
<br />
> -- <br />
> dorayme</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 24.11.2007 23:59:17 von Randy Webb</span>
<p>Beauregard T. Shagnasty said the following on 11/24/2007 5:16 PM:<br />
> In alt.html, VK wrote:<br />
> <br />
>> http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS<br />
> <snip><br />
> <br />
> You replied to the wrong person.<br />
> <br />
<br />
No he didn't.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Randy<br />
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind<br />
comp.lang.javascript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq/index.html<br />
Javascript Best Practices - http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/bestpractices/</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 25.11.2007 00:47:17 von a.nony.mous</span>
<p>In alt.html, Randy Webb wrote:<br />
<br />
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty said:<br />
>> In alt.html, VK wrote:<br />
>>> http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS<br />
>> <snip><br />
>> <br />
>> You replied to the wrong person.<br />
> <br />
> No he didn't.<br />
<br />
Yes, he did. It's not my site, it's Mika's.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
-bts<br />
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 25.11.2007 00:51:54 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:57:49 GMT <br />
> Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
><br />
>>> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
>>><br />
>>>>>> Speaking of mouthsful...<br />
>>>>>> <br />
>>>>>> http://blinkynet.net/sharks/stinkydent.html<br />
>>>>><br />
>>>>> I see your point. The "before" Stinky looks more like a failed<br />
>>>>> patent application for a back scratcher, at least to humans. <br />
>>>>> However, maybe some fish thought he might've been nibbling at oysters<br />
>>>>> just a little too enthusiastically. <br />
>>>> <br />
>>>> You didn't confuse Before and After, didya?<br />
>>> <br />
>>> Nah, though it is fairly true that all fish look alike to me.<br />
>> <br />
>> Speciesist! ;)<br />
> <br />
><grin><br />
><br />
> Like that word. 'Never been called that before and I've been called a lot <br />
> of things. But the fact is that fish just don't have any civil rights. <br />
> They also smell and swim with their own poop so is it any wonder that <br />
> people generally consider them repulsive except in a frying pan? I <br />
> personally don't have anything against fish per se, but most of them are <br />
> still wet behind the ears and being so basically worthless doesn't <br />
> particularly lead the higher life forms to generate much thought about the <br />
> subject one way or the other. Fish themselves probably look at it as a <br />
> sort of prolonged version of "War of the Worlds" and realize their <br />
> inadequacies are just part of their miserable daily existence. <br />
<br />
Worthless? Worthless?! If it weren't for us, the world (well the<br />
oceans) would be crawling with groupers...and you know how bad that<br />
would be from seeing the Google variety all over usenet.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 25.11.2007 01:08:00 von Randy Webb</span>
<p>Beauregard T. Shagnasty said the following on 11/24/2007 6:47 PM:<br />
> In alt.html, Randy Webb wrote:<br />
> <br />
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty said:<br />
>>> In alt.html, VK wrote:<br />
>>>> http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS<br />
>>> <snip><br />
>>><br />
>>> You replied to the wrong person.<br />
>> No he didn't.<br />
> <br />
> Yes, he did. It's not my site, it's Mika's.<br />
<br />
<sigh> The reply was in direct relation to the reference to Google'ing <br />
for HOSTS Files, which tells how to defeat Google ads. He replied to the <br />
right post, he just didn't know what he was talking about.<br />
<br />
VK's belief was that the idea was to attempt to suppress Google ads on a <br />
google ad page by the author of that page. That isn't what HOSTS Files <br />
are about.<br />
<br />
Can this thread be dropped from c.l.j though? It is getting rather <br />
boresome and off-topic here.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Randy<br />
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind<br />
comp.lang.javascript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq/index.html<br />
Javascript Best Practices - http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/bestpractices/</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 25.11.2007 07:12:00 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:51:54<br />
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
<br />
>>>> Nah, though it is fairly true that all fish look alike to me.<br />
>>> <br />
>>> Speciesist! ;)<br />
>> <br />
>><grin><br />
>><br />
>> Like that word. 'Never been called that before and I've been called<br />
>> a lot of things. But the fact is that fish just don't have any civil<br />
>> rights. They also smell and swim with their own poop so is it any<br />
>> wonder that people generally consider them repulsive except in a<br />
>> frying pan? I personally don't have anything against fish per se,<br />
>> but most of them are still wet behind the ears and being so basically<br />
>> worthless doesn't particularly lead the higher life forms to generate<br />
>> much thought about the subject one way or the other. Fish themselves<br />
>> probably look at it as a sort of prolonged version of "War of the<br />
>> Worlds" and realize their inadequacies are just part of their<br />
>> miserable daily existence. <br />
> <br />
> Worthless? Worthless?! If it weren't for us, the world (well the<br />
> oceans) would be crawling with groupers...and you know how bad that<br />
> would be from seeing the Google variety all over usenet.<br />
<br />
Well, I was grouping groupers into the same category; they are fish, too. <br />
However, for _you_ to denigrate groupers is intra-phylum-discrimination. <br />
Furthermore, I don't think all fish are equally worthless. Those cute <br />
little colorful ones which reside in home aquariums can be relaxing in a <br />
hypnotic way to the duller mind. But the big ones that eat people and <br />
other fish I may want to eat serve little purpose to a progressive, <br />
advanced society.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 25.11.2007 07:25:13 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:56:44<br />
GMT dorayme scribed: <br />
<br />
>> It is incredible how we reply "Do this, do that," and you answer<br />
>> "Okay, I'll do this but I don't wanna do that because it screws up<br />
>> something else and the site _has_ been working successfully as-is for<br />
>> over a year..." <br />
>> <br />
>> Fishbowl or arrogance - which is it?<br />
> <br />
> O come on... OP is doing the best he can, he is trying to take on <br />
> board things put to him as best as he understands the advice and <br />
> his situation and business. He has not the same background as <br />
> some of the regulars here. It is hard for someone coming for <br />
> advice about one thing and getting drawn into thickets of things <br />
> which he might be a little hazy on. He needs to tread carefully <br />
> and preserve what he has worked hard to achieve and go forward in <br />
> ways that do not present him with even greater unknowns.<br />
<br />
See, that's the thing. "Go forward" from what? -A flawed foundation? <br />
There is no "forward" to go to. It needs to be rebuilt, not patched or<br />
amended, because the base is wrong. I don't fault the OP for not<br />
knowing how to do something but I do fault him for an adolescent<br />
attitude toward something which is essentially incorrect. Adrienne is<br />
right; he needs to do some primary stuff over, and I thought that from<br />
the very beginning. You just can't put crap which must be read by the<br />
page outside the body tag that way and expect it all to work<br />
peachy-keen. <br />
<br />
> Be a little kinder and more patient. It won't kill you.<br />
<br />
I want my Maypoe!<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 25.11.2007 07:40:50 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:51:54<br />
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
><br />
>>>>> Nah, though it is fairly true that all fish look alike to me.<br />
>>>> <br />
>>>> Speciesist! ;)<br />
>>> <br />
>>><grin><br />
>>><br />
>>> Like that word. 'Never been called that before and I've been called<br />
>>> a lot of things. But the fact is that fish just don't have any civil<br />
>>> rights. They also smell and swim with their own poop so is it any<br />
>>> wonder that people generally consider them repulsive except in a<br />
>>> frying pan? I personally don't have anything against fish per se,<br />
>>> but most of them are still wet behind the ears and being so basically<br />
>>> worthless doesn't particularly lead the higher life forms to generate<br />
>>> much thought about the subject one way or the other. Fish themselves<br />
>>> probably look at it as a sort of prolonged version of "War of the<br />
>>> Worlds" and realize their inadequacies are just part of their<br />
>>> miserable daily existence. <br />
>> <br />
>> Worthless? Worthless?! If it weren't for us, the world (well the<br />
>> oceans) would be crawling with groupers...and you know how bad that<br />
>> would be from seeing the Google variety all over usenet.<br />
><br />
> Well, I was grouping groupers into the same category; they are fish, too. <br />
> However, for _you_ to denigrate groupers is intra-phylum-discrimination. <br />
<br />
And that's not prohibited. Especially here, high on the food chain. :)<br />
<br />
> Furthermore, I don't think all fish are equally worthless. Those cute <br />
> little colorful ones which reside in home aquariums can be relaxing in a <br />
> hypnotic way to the duller mind. But the big ones that eat people and <br />
<br />
But it takes 500 of them just to make a snack.<br />
<br />
> other fish I may want to eat serve little purpose to a progressive, <br />
> advanced society.<br />
<br />
We've been evolving longer than you have. And we're not making holes in<br />
the ozone layer. ;)<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 25.11.2007 15:48:52 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Bone Ur" <monstersquasher@yahoo.com> wrote in message <br />
news:Xns99F2EE3D9433Bboneurhyphe@85.214.90.236...<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:56:44<br />
> GMT dorayme scribed:<br />
><br />
>>> It is incredible how we reply "Do this, do that," and you answer<br />
>>> "Okay, I'll do this but I don't wanna do that because it screws up<br />
>>> something else and the site _has_ been working successfully as-is for<br />
>>> over a year..."<br />
>>><br />
>>> Fishbowl or arrogance - which is it?<br />
>><br />
>> O come on... OP is doing the best he can, he is trying to take on<br />
>> board things put to him as best as he understands the advice and<br />
>> his situation and business. He has not the same background as<br />
>> some of the regulars here. It is hard for someone coming for<br />
>> advice about one thing and getting drawn into thickets of things<br />
>> which he might be a little hazy on. He needs to tread carefully<br />
>> and preserve what he has worked hard to achieve and go forward in<br />
>> ways that do not present him with even greater unknowns.<br />
><br />
> See, that's the thing. "Go forward" from what? -A flawed foundation?<br />
> There is no "forward" to go to. It needs to be rebuilt, not patched or<br />
> amended, because the base is wrong. I don't fault the OP for not<br />
> knowing how to do something but I do fault him for an adolescent<br />
> attitude toward something which is essentially incorrect. Adrienne is<br />
> right; he needs to do some primary stuff over, and I thought that from<br />
> the very beginning. You just can't put crap which must be read by the<br />
> page outside the body tag that way and expect it all to work<br />
> peachy-keen.<br />
<br />
Your peers here would disagree with you:<br />
http://tinyurl.com/hvfsw<br />
'Internet Explorer cannot open the Internet site, Operation aborted "Google <br />
Map API error"'<br />
"Move all of the remaining code that google supplied you with when <br />
generating your API key (minus the div from above) to the very bottom of <br />
your document, outside of the body tag."<br />
<br />
That is exactly what WE (the 3 of us) have done and it works. No need for <br />
further discussion.<br />
<br />
We are not in a position to rewrite the site from scratch on your say so at <br />
the moment as explained this is a spare time hobby project, however we have <br />
resolved the issue this thread was started for, and that was the intention.<br />
<br />
We appreciate the site may not be fast when accessed from some foreign <br />
countries, but it is fast when accessed from Australia on the other side of <br />
the world, and works fast on any European PC we can test on, in any browser <br />
with JS enabled.<br />
<br />
The site is designed for UK visitors, which is why the only 3 streetscapes <br />
featured are UK ones. For the interest of UK residents in USA streets we do <br />
provide some 'Street-lites' as we call them for US areas, but these are not <br />
the streetscapes the site is based around.<br />
<br />
We appreciate the help given here to solve the IE/Google bug and have now <br />
done so, so thank you to those who gave constructive assistance. Problem <br />
solved.<br />
<br />
Mika, Esa, & Ben</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 25.11.2007 19:25:37 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:40:50<br />
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
<br />
>>> Worthless? Worthless?! If it weren't for us, the world (well the<br />
>>> oceans) would be crawling with groupers...and you know how bad that<br />
>>> would be from seeing the Google variety all over usenet.<br />
>><br />
>> Well, I was grouping groupers into the same category; they are fish,<br />
>> too. However, for _you_ to denigrate groupers is<br />
>> intra-phylum-discrimination. <br />
> <br />
> And that's not prohibited. Especially here, high on the food chain. <br />
> :) <br />
<br />
High and complacent. Read on...<br />
<br />
>> Furthermore, I don't think all fish are equally worthless. Those<br />
>> cute little colorful ones which reside in home aquariums can be<br />
>> relaxing in a hypnotic way to the duller mind. But the big ones that<br />
>> eat people and <br />
> <br />
> But it takes 500 of them just to make a snack.<br />
<br />
They're a delicacy. You're only supposed to eat a few at a time.<br />
<br />
>> other fish I may want to eat serve little purpose to a progressive, <br />
>> advanced society.<br />
> <br />
> We've been evolving longer than you have. And we're not making holes<br />
> in the ozone layer. ;)<br />
<br />
Longer but slower. Much slower. As a matter of fact, sharks in <br />
particular pretty much hit a dead stop prior to the beginning of the Age <br />
of Dinosaurs. Ergo, for the last 200+ million years, all they do is swim <br />
around and take up space in the sea just like their forefishies did in <br />
the good ol' Triassic. Humans, on the other hand, evolved at least 1000 <br />
times as much in the most current 5 million years alone! Fish have <br />
little reason to brag, -especially when one considers how ugly they are.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 25.11.2007 19:42:23 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:48:52<br />
GMT Mika scribed: <br />
<br />
> "Bone Ur" <monstersquasher@yahoo.com> wrote in message <br />
> news:Xns99F2EE3D9433Bboneurhyphe@85.214.90.236...<br />
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007<br />
>> 20:56:44 GMT dorayme scribed:<br />
>><br />
>>>> It is incredible how we reply "Do this, do that," and you answer<br />
>>>> "Okay, I'll do this but I don't wanna do that because it screws up<br />
>>>> something else and the site _has_ been working successfully as-is<br />
>>>> for over a year..."<br />
>>>><br />
>>>> Fishbowl or arrogance - which is it?<br />
>>><br />
>>> O come on... OP is doing the best he can, he is trying to take on<br />
>>> board things put to him as best as he understands the advice and<br />
>>> his situation and business. He has not the same background as<br />
>>> some of the regulars here. It is hard for someone coming for<br />
>>> advice about one thing and getting drawn into thickets of things<br />
>>> which he might be a little hazy on. He needs to tread carefully<br />
>>> and preserve what he has worked hard to achieve and go forward in<br />
>>> ways that do not present him with even greater unknowns.<br />
>><br />
>> See, that's the thing. "Go forward" from what? -A flawed<br />
>> foundation? There is no "forward" to go to. It needs to be rebuilt,<br />
>> not patched or amended, because the base is wrong. I don't fault the<br />
>> OP for not knowing how to do something but I do fault him for an<br />
>> adolescent attitude toward something which is essentially incorrect. <br />
>> Adrienne is right; he needs to do some primary stuff over, and I<br />
>> thought that from the very beginning. You just can't put crap which<br />
>> must be read by the page outside the body tag that way and expect it<br />
>> all to work peachy-keen.<br />
> <br />
> Your peers here would disagree with you:<br />
> http://tinyurl.com/hvfsw<br />
> 'Internet Explorer cannot open the Internet site, Operation aborted<br />
> "Google Map API error"'<br />
> "Move all of the remaining code that google supplied you with when <br />
> generating your API key (minus the div from above) to the very bottom<br />
> of your document, outside of the body tag."<br />
> <br />
> That is exactly what WE (the 3 of us) have done and it works. No need<br />
> for further discussion.<br />
> <br />
> We are not in a position to rewrite the site from scratch on your say<br />
> so at the moment as explained this is a spare time hobby project,<br />
> however we have resolved the issue this thread was started for, and<br />
> that was the intention. <br />
<br />
Yeah, right.<br />
<br />
First of all, this proves Ryan Grant's solution is correct how? Because <br />
it works for you? Apparently it didn't work for "rf", the first poster <br />
in the blurb.<br />
<br />
Second, did you even try the "advanced fix" instead of the "simple fix"? <br />
The former, all of about 6 lines, is valid as opposed to the latter.<br />
<br />
> We appreciate the site may not be fast when accessed from some foreign<br />
> countries, but it is fast when accessed from Australia on the other<br />
> side of the world, and works fast on any European PC we can test on,<br />
> in any browser with JS enabled.<br />
> <br />
> The site is designed for UK visitors, which is why the only 3<br />
> streetscapes featured are UK ones. For the interest of UK residents<br />
> in USA streets we do provide some 'Street-lites' as we call them for<br />
> US areas, but these are not the streetscapes the site is based around.<br />
> <br />
> We appreciate the help given here to solve the IE/Google bug and have<br />
> now done so, so thank you to those who gave constructive assistance. <br />
> Problem solved.<br />
> <br />
> Mika, Esa, & Ben <br />
<br />
You've solved zilch. You only buried the problem and obfuscated the <br />
issue. Ergo, considering the obtuseness of your obstinacy, we are going <br />
off to tell Brit jokes for our mutual amusement.<br />
<br />
Kukla, Fran, & Ollie<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 25.11.2007 20:24:32 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:40:50<br />
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
><br />
>>>> Worthless? Worthless?! If it weren't for us, the world (well the<br />
>>>> oceans) would be crawling with groupers...and you know how bad that<br />
>>>> would be from seeing the Google variety all over usenet.<br />
>>><br />
>>> Well, I was grouping groupers into the same category; they are fish,<br />
>>> too. However, for _you_ to denigrate groupers is<br />
>>> intra-phylum-discrimination. <br />
>> <br />
>> And that's not prohibited. Especially here, high on the food chain. <br />
>> :) <br />
><br />
> High and complacent. Read on...<br />
<br />
Bordering on arrogance, in fact. :)<br />
<br />
>>> Furthermore, I don't think all fish are equally worthless. Those<br />
>>> cute little colorful ones which reside in home aquariums can be<br />
>>> relaxing in a hypnotic way to the duller mind. But the big ones that<br />
>>> eat people and <br />
>> <br />
>> But it takes 500 of them just to make a snack.<br />
><br />
> They're a delicacy. You're only supposed to eat a few at a time.<br />
<br />
Shark. Eat a few at a time. Hee hee.<br />
<br />
>>> other fish I may want to eat serve little purpose to a progressive, <br />
>>> advanced society.<br />
>> <br />
>> We've been evolving longer than you have. And we're not making holes<br />
>> in the ozone layer. ;)<br />
><br />
> Longer but slower. Much slower. As a matter of fact, sharks in <br />
<br />
Now long is that in shark years?<br />
<br />
> particular pretty much hit a dead stop prior to the beginning of the Age <br />
> of Dinosaurs. Ergo, for the last 200+ million years, all they do is swim <br />
> around and take up space in the sea just like their forefishies did in <br />
<br />
Once you're achieved perfection there is no evolutionary pressure in the<br />
scheme of natural selection to send the species off in new directions.<br />
<br />
> the good ol' Triassic. Humans, on the other hand, evolved at least 1000 <br />
> times as much in the most current 5 million years alone! Fish have <br />
> little reason to brag, -especially when one considers how ugly they are.<br />
<br />
Humans evolved faster because they had more to imrove on and less time<br />
to do it. Eventually, they may reach the evolutionary perfection that<br />
sharks have. Well, probably not -- sharks have avoided the unwanted<br />
capability to blow themselves up in massive quantities.<br />
<br />
One of the essences of sharkness is the beauty of sleekness and balance.<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 25.11.2007 20:25:51 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
<br />
> Kukla, Fran, & Ollie<br />
<br />
I remember watching them. [sounds of cartilage creaking]<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 25.11.2007 21:00:17 von dorayme</span>
<p>In article <Xns99F2EE3D9433Bboneurhyphe@85.214.90.236>,<br />
Bone Ur <monstersquasher@yahoo.com> wrote:<br />
<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:56:44<br />
> GMT dorayme scribed: <br />
> <br />
> >> It is incredible how we reply "Do this, do that," and you answer<br />
> >> "Okay, I'll do this but I don't wanna do that because it screws up<br />
> >> something else and the site _has_ been working successfully as-is for<br />
> >> over a year..." <br />
> >> <br />
> >> Fishbowl or arrogance - which is it?<br />
> > <br />
> > O come on... OP is doing the best he can, he is trying to take on <br />
> > board things put to him as best as he understands the advice and <br />
> > his situation and business. He has not the same background as <br />
> > some of the regulars here. It is hard for someone coming for <br />
> > advice about one thing and getting drawn into thickets of things <br />
> > which he might be a little hazy on. He needs to tread carefully <br />
> > and preserve what he has worked hard to achieve and go forward in <br />
> > ways that do not present him with even greater unknowns.<br />
> <br />
> See, that's the thing. "Go forward" from what? -A flawed foundation? <br />
> There is no "forward" to go to. It needs to be rebuilt, not patched or<br />
> amended, because the base is wrong. <br />
<br />
Funny how you, an earthling, so little understand human <br />
psychology, pride, investment and the general notion of theory <br />
building. No one reasonably competent, if handed the job of <br />
fulfilling some of the basic aims of the OP would start with what <br />
he has. Nearly every site that comes up here would be built from <br />
the ground up by a well versed author. That does not mean that <br />
that is what you can expect - or demand stridently - of an <br />
innocent wanderer into these alleys. It does not mean you should <br />
be mugging them if they don't throw out the lot and start again. <br />
<br />
If he says the site has been working successfully for over a <br />
year, then sure, you can challenge that, and if you succeed to <br />
sow doubts, that will start to move him. But charging at him like <br />
a bull is not going to work. It never really does. You are too <br />
star struck by the "bitter salt" theory of being honest with a <br />
student or client. Honesty and straight talking is a simple <br />
minded single string bow in the educational game. It is no magic <br />
bullet. Stop getting all thingy when these bullets you fire <br />
bounce off. <br />
<br />
It is simply wrong that a site cannot be rebuilt over time in a <br />
considerably inefficient manner. And you will never see that this <br />
inefficiency has some great advantages for those people who would <br />
learn things slowly over a period of time in a project that is <br />
already sailing at sea. You are demanding the ship be sunk or be <br />
dry docked and completely rebuilt, and few merchant ship owners <br />
will come at that.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
dorayme</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 25.11.2007 21:54:47 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Bone Ur" <monstersquasher@yahoo.com> wrote in message <br />
news:Xns99F37714A4510boneurhyphe@85.214.90.236...<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:48:52<br />
> GMT Mika scribed:<br />
><br />
>> "Bone Ur" <monstersquasher@yahoo.com> wrote in message<br />
>> news:Xns99F2EE3D9433Bboneurhyphe@85.214.90.236...<br />
>>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 24 Nov 2007<br />
>>> 20:56:44 GMT dorayme scribed:<br />
>>><br />
>>>>> It is incredible how we reply "Do this, do that," and you answer<br />
>>>>> "Okay, I'll do this but I don't wanna do that because it screws up<br />
>>>>> something else and the site _has_ been working successfully as-is<br />
>>>>> for over a year..."<br />
>>>>><br />
>>>>> Fishbowl or arrogance - which is it?<br />
>>>><br />
>>>> O come on... OP is doing the best he can, he is trying to take on<br />
>>>> board things put to him as best as he understands the advice and<br />
>>>> his situation and business. He has not the same background as<br />
>>>> some of the regulars here. It is hard for someone coming for<br />
>>>> advice about one thing and getting drawn into thickets of things<br />
>>>> which he might be a little hazy on. He needs to tread carefully<br />
>>>> and preserve what he has worked hard to achieve and go forward in<br />
>>>> ways that do not present him with even greater unknowns.<br />
>>><br />
>>> See, that's the thing. "Go forward" from what? -A flawed<br />
>>> foundation? There is no "forward" to go to. It needs to be rebuilt,<br />
>>> not patched or amended, because the base is wrong. I don't fault the<br />
>>> OP for not knowing how to do something but I do fault him for an<br />
>>> adolescent attitude toward something which is essentially incorrect.<br />
>>> Adrienne is right; he needs to do some primary stuff over, and I<br />
>>> thought that from the very beginning. You just can't put crap which<br />
>>> must be read by the page outside the body tag that way and expect it<br />
>>> all to work peachy-keen.<br />
>><br />
>> Your peers here would disagree with you:<br />
>> http://tinyurl.com/hvfsw<br />
>> 'Internet Explorer cannot open the Internet site, Operation aborted<br />
>> "Google Map API error"'<br />
>> "Move all of the remaining code that google supplied you with when<br />
>> generating your API key (minus the div from above) to the very bottom<br />
>> of your document, outside of the body tag."<br />
>><br />
>> That is exactly what WE (the 3 of us) have done and it works. No need<br />
>> for further discussion.<br />
>><br />
>> We are not in a position to rewrite the site from scratch on your say<br />
>> so at the moment as explained this is a spare time hobby project,<br />
>> however we have resolved the issue this thread was started for, and<br />
>> that was the intention.<br />
><br />
> Yeah, right.<br />
><br />
> First of all, this proves Ryan Grant's solution is correct how? Because<br />
> it works for you? Apparently it didn't work for "rf", the first poster<br />
> in the blurb.<br />
><br />
> Second, did you even try the "advanced fix" instead of the "simple fix"?<br />
> The former, all of about 6 lines, is valid as opposed to the latter.<br />
<br />
The advanced fix is not compatible with our code. The simple fix is. <br />
Didn't the poster above say "KISS"? Keep it simple, stupid. It works, so <br />
why make it compex and break our code? That is not logical.<br />
<br />
>> We appreciate the site may not be fast when accessed from some foreign<br />
>> countries, but it is fast when accessed from Australia on the other<br />
>> side of the world, and works fast on any European PC we can test on,<br />
>> in any browser with JS enabled.<br />
>><br />
>> The site is designed for UK visitors, which is why the only 3<br />
>> streetscapes featured are UK ones. For the interest of UK residents<br />
>> in USA streets we do provide some 'Street-lites' as we call them for<br />
>> US areas, but these are not the streetscapes the site is based around.<br />
>><br />
>> We appreciate the help given here to solve the IE/Google bug and have<br />
>> now done so, so thank you to those who gave constructive assistance.<br />
>> Problem solved.<br />
>><br />
>> Mika, Esa, & Ben<br />
><br />
> You've solved zilch. You only buried the problem and obfuscated the<br />
> issue. Ergo, considering the obtuseness of your obstinacy, we are going<br />
> off to tell Brit jokes for our mutual amusement.<br />
<br />
Racist and angry. Good luck to you.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 25.11.2007 22:25:26 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Mika wrote:<br />
> "Bone Ur" <monstersquasher@yahoo.com> wrote in message <br />
> news:Xns99F37714A4510boneurhyphe@85.214.90.236...<br />
<br />
>> You've solved zilch. You only buried the problem and obfuscated the<br />
>> issue. Ergo, considering the obtuseness of your obstinacy, we are going<br />
>> off to tell Brit jokes for our mutual amusement.<br />
><br />
> Racist and angry. Good luck to you. <br />
<br />
Racist? The Brits are a nationality.<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 26.11.2007 01:11:33 von rf</span>
<p>"Mika" <anon@anon.com> wrote in message <br />
news:oXf2j.53092$c_1.8406@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...<br />
> "Bone Ur" <monstersquasher@yahoo.com> wrote in message <br />
> news:Xns99F2EE3D9433Bboneurhyphe@85.214.90.236...<br />
<br />
> We appreciate the site may not be fast when accessed from some foreign <br />
> countries, but it is fast when accessed from Australia on the other side <br />
> of the world,<br />
<br />
No, it does not. 1.21 minutes for me.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Richard.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 26.11.2007 01:24:08 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:24:32<br />
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
<br />
<br />
>>>> Well, I was grouping groupers into the same category; they are<br />
>>>> fish, too. However, for _you_ to denigrate groupers is<br />
>>>> intra-phylum-discrimination. <br />
>>> <br />
>>> And that's not prohibited. Especially here, high on the food chain.<br />
>>> :) <br />
>><br />
>> High and complacent. Read on...<br />
> <br />
> Bordering on arrogance, in fact. :)<br />
<br />
Oh, like a Google grouper?<br />
<br />
>>>> Furthermore, I don't think all fish are equally worthless. Those<br />
>>>> cute little colorful ones which reside in home aquariums can be<br />
>>>> relaxing in a hypnotic way to the duller mind. But the big ones<br />
>>>> that eat people and <br />
>>> <br />
>>> But it takes 500 of them just to make a snack.<br />
>><br />
>> They're a delicacy. You're only supposed to eat a few at a time.<br />
> <br />
> Shark. Eat a few at a time. Hee hee.<br />
<br />
Um, I see your point<br />
<br />
>>>> other fish I may want to eat serve little purpose to a progressive,<br />
>>>> advanced society.<br />
>>> <br />
>>> We've been evolving longer than you have. And we're not making<br />
>>> holes in the ozone layer. ;)<br />
>><br />
>> Longer but slower. Much slower. As a matter of fact, sharks in <br />
> <br />
> Now long is that in shark years?<br />
> <br />
>> particular pretty much hit a dead stop prior to the beginning of the<br />
>> Age of Dinosaurs. Ergo, for the last 200+ million years, all they do<br />
>> is swim around and take up space in the sea just like their<br />
>> forefishies did in <br />
> <br />
> Once you're achieved perfection there is no evolutionary pressure in<br />
> the scheme of natural selection to send the species off in new<br />
> directions. <br />
<br />
Yes, sharks are called "the perfect eating machine". But what else do <br />
they do that's interesting? I would hardly say that spending a life just <br />
swimming and eating equates to having achieved perfection on any <br />
reasonable scale in the universe as a whole.<br />
<br />
>> the good ol' Triassic. Humans, on the other hand, evolved at least<br />
>> 1000 times as much in the most current 5 million years alone! Fish<br />
>> have little reason to brag, -especially when one considers how ugly<br />
>> they are. <br />
> <br />
> Humans evolved faster because they had more to imrove on and less time<br />
> to do it. Eventually, they may reach the evolutionary perfection that<br />
> sharks have. Well, probably not -- sharks have avoided the unwanted<br />
> capability to blow themselves up in massive quantities.<br />
<br />
Humans had more to improve on because they had more potential to begin <br />
with. The conclusion is unavoidable: sharks are an evolutionary cul-de-<br />
sac who persist only because of the vastness of their preferred <br />
environment. Such a predator dwelling on land would surely have been <br />
eliminated long ago by the stupidest humans you can imagine (barring your <br />
reflections on some of the posters here).<br />
<br />
> One of the essences of sharkness is the beauty of sleekness and<br />
> balance. <br />
<br />
Simple symmetry and simple mentality. Whoopee twang.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 26.11.2007 01:25:32 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:25:51 GMT <br />
Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
<br />
> Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> <br />
>> Kukla, Fran, & Ollie<br />
> <br />
> I remember watching them. [sounds of cartilage creaking]<br />
<br />
You didn't eat Ollie, did you?<br />
<br />
(You're showing your age...)<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 26.11.2007 01:38:16 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:00:17 <br />
GMT dorayme scribed:<br />
<br />
>> See, that's the thing. "Go forward" from what? -A flawed foundation? <br />
>> There is no "forward" to go to. It needs to be rebuilt, not patched <br />
>> or amended, because the base is wrong. <br />
> <br />
> Funny how you, an earthling, so little understand human <br />
> psychology, pride, investment and the general notion of theory <br />
> building. No one reasonably competent, if handed the job of <br />
> fulfilling some of the basic aims of the OP would start with what <br />
> he has.<br />
<br />
So far we agree. But there are 3 of them. Are they all incompetent?<br />
<br />
> Nearly every site that comes up here would be built from <br />
> the ground up by a well versed author. That does not mean that <br />
> that is what you can expect - or demand stridently - of an <br />
> innocent wanderer into these alleys. It does not mean you should <br />
> be mugging them if they don't throw out the lot and start again. <br />
<br />
So you equate "mugging" with expressing an honest opinion. Would it be <br />
preferable if I lied, even a little bit, just to keep junior from whining <br />
for mommy? I may have been blunt and forthright, but I wasn't abusive <br />
and didn't resort to name-calling like some people we know...<br />
<br />
> If he says the site has been working successfully for over a <br />
> year, then sure, you can challenge that, and if you succeed to <br />
> sow doubts, that will start to move him. But charging at him like <br />
> a bull is not going to work. It never really does. You are too <br />
> star struck by the "bitter salt" theory of being honest with a <br />
> student or client. Honesty and straight talking is a simple <br />
> minded single string bow in the educational game. It is no magic <br />
> bullet. Stop getting all thingy when these bullets you fire <br />
> bounce off. <br />
<br />
Well, I just might try to "stop getting all thingy" if I knew what <br />
"thingy" was. Nevertheless, if an ingenue cannot tolerate honesty, I can <br />
hardly feel sorry for him.<br />
<br />
> It is simply wrong that a site cannot be rebuilt over time in a <br />
> considerably inefficient manner. And you will never see that this <br />
> inefficiency has some great advantages for those people who would <br />
> learn things slowly over a period of time in a project that is <br />
> already sailing at sea. You are demanding the ship be sunk or be <br />
> dry docked and completely rebuilt, and few merchant ship owners <br />
> will come at that.<br />
<br />
The site should be rebuilt, yes, but I wasn't demanding it. What I was <br />
"demanding" was valid code in the form of not putting something outside <br />
the body tag. _That_ was the "demand", so to speak, and I remain <br />
righteously adamant in reiterating it. <br />
<br />
As a side note, I think you were more fun when you were dingbatty. Now <br />
your posts make me yawn alot and daydream about the sweet potato farm in <br />
Kuala Lumpur.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 26.11.2007 01:40:12 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:54:47<br />
GMT Mika scribed: <br />
<br />
>>> We appreciate the help given here to solve the IE/Google bug and<br />
>>> have now done so, so thank you to those who gave constructive<br />
>>> assistance. Problem solved.<br />
>>><br />
>>> Mika, Esa, & Ben<br />
>><br />
>> You've solved zilch. You only buried the problem and obfuscated the<br />
>> issue. Ergo, considering the obtuseness of your obstinacy, we are<br />
>> going off to tell Brit jokes for our mutual amusement.<br />
> <br />
> Racist and angry. Good luck to you. <br />
<br />
Actually, Saxon Brits are immigrated German stock. Norman Brits derived <br />
from France. Now mix Kraut and Frog together and you've got a puree which <br />
smells bad, tastes worse, and will have you shitting in your pants while <br />
you croak if you don't hop to it.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 26.11.2007 02:59:30 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:24:32<br />
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
><br />
><br />
>>>>> Well, I was grouping groupers into the same category; they are<br />
>>>>> fish, too. However, for _you_ to denigrate groupers is<br />
>>>>> intra-phylum-discrimination. <br />
>>>> <br />
>>>> And that's not prohibited. Especially here, high on the food chain.<br />
>>>> :) <br />
>>><br />
>>> High and complacent. Read on...<br />
>> <br />
>> Bordering on arrogance, in fact. :)<br />
><br />
> Oh, like a Google grouper?<br />
<br />
Groupers <spit> are just clueless.<br />
<br />
Ow. That hurt. I think sharks aren't supposed to spit.<br />
<br />
>>>>> Furthermore, I don't think all fish are equally worthless. Those<br />
>>>>> cute little colorful ones which reside in home aquariums can be<br />
>>>>> relaxing in a hypnotic way to the duller mind. But the big ones<br />
>>>>> that eat people and <br />
>>>> <br />
>>>> But it takes 500 of them just to make a snack.<br />
>>><br />
>>> They're a delicacy. You're only supposed to eat a few at a time.<br />
>> <br />
>> Shark. Eat a few at a time. Hee hee.<br />
><br />
> Um, I see your point<br />
> <br />
>>>>> other fish I may want to eat serve little purpose to a progressive,<br />
>>>>> advanced society.<br />
>>>> <br />
>>>> We've been evolving longer than you have. And we're not making<br />
>>>> holes in the ozone layer. ;)<br />
>>><br />
>>> Longer but slower. Much slower. As a matter of fact, sharks in <br />
>> <br />
>> Now long is that in shark years?<br />
<br />
Meant "How", of course. You try typing with fins. Remember, we're<br />
optimized for swimming.<br />
<br />
>>> particular pretty much hit a dead stop prior to the beginning of the<br />
>>> Age of Dinosaurs. Ergo, for the last 200+ million years, all they do<br />
>>> is swim around and take up space in the sea just like their<br />
>>> forefishies did in <br />
>> <br />
>> Once you're achieved perfection there is no evolutionary pressure in<br />
>> the scheme of natural selection to send the species off in new<br />
>> directions. <br />
><br />
> Yes, sharks are called "the perfect eating machine". But what else do <br />
> they do that's interesting? I would hardly say that spending a life just <br />
> swimming and eating equates to having achieved perfection on any <br />
> reasonable scale in the universe as a whole.<br />
<br />
Well, we boink. That's pretty fun. And we do it in public.<br />
<br />
Other than that: Swim to live; live to swim.<br />
<br />
>>> the good ol' Triassic. Humans, on the other hand, evolved at least<br />
>>> 1000 times as much in the most current 5 million years alone! Fish<br />
>>> have little reason to brag, -especially when one considers how ugly<br />
>>> they are. <br />
>> <br />
>> Humans evolved faster because they had more to imrove on and less time<br />
>> to do it. Eventually, they may reach the evolutionary perfection that<br />
>> sharks have. Well, probably not -- sharks have avoided the unwanted<br />
>> capability to blow themselves up in massive quantities.<br />
><br />
> Humans had more to improve on because they had more potential to begin <br />
> with. The conclusion is unavoidable: sharks are an evolutionary cul-de-<br />
> sac who persist only because of the vastness of their preferred <br />
> environment. Such a predator dwelling on land would surely have been <br />
> eliminated long ago by the stupidest humans you can imagine (barring your <br />
> reflections on some of the posters here).<br />
<br />
You forget one thing. Land sharks.<br />
<br />
>> One of the essences of sharkness is the beauty of sleekness and<br />
>> balance. <br />
> <br />
> Simple symmetry and simple mentality. Whoopee twang.<br />
<br />
We have an extremely low rate of mental illness, Mr. Vulnerable. ;)<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 26.11.2007 03:01:13 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:25:51 GMT <br />
> Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
><br />
>> Bone Ur wrote:<br />
>> <br />
>>> Kukla, Fran, & Ollie<br />
>> <br />
>> I remember watching them. [sounds of cartilage creaking]<br />
><br />
> You didn't eat Ollie, did you?<br />
<br />
Fran Allison was more substantial. Uh......I mean "no".<br />
<br />
> (You're showing your age...)<br />
<br />
Not embarrassed to have just turned 60 in human years.<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 26.11.2007 03:30:19 von dorayme</span>
<p>In article <Xns99F3B36AA17B5boneurhyphe@85.214.90.236>,<br />
Bone Ur <monstersquasher@yahoo.com> wrote:<br />
<br />
> dorayme scribed:<br />
> <br />
> > Funny how you, an earthling, so little understand human <br />
> > psychology, pride, investment and the general notion of theory <br />
> > building. No one reasonably competent, if handed the job of <br />
> > fulfilling some of the basic aims of the OP would start with what <br />
> > he has.<br />
> <br />
> So far we agree. But there are 3 of them. Are they all incompetent?<br />
><br />
<br />
I love this "but" of yours. It is the sign of a masterstroke of <br />
reasoning. If a team does something, it does not mean that they <br />
are all responsible for the overall faults of a page. Yawn and <br />
daydream about that - see your impudent remarks below (Officer <br />
White has been despatched with fresh orders. There may be a <br />
slight delay, he has a bad hangover after a Don's party for the <br />
recent oz federal election. He is never in a good mood after <br />
hangovers, do not provoke him. It will be bad enough for you even <br />
if you are nice and offer him a cool iced-lemon drink).<br />
<br />
> So you equate "mugging" with expressing an honest opinion. <br />
<br />
I can always count on you understanding the least thing.<br />
<br />
> As a side note, I think you were more fun when you were dingbatty. Now <br />
> your posts make me yawn alot and daydream about the sweet potato farm in <br />
> Kuala Lumpur.<br />
<br />
Look, many very fair points have been made (most recently Sherm <br />
Pendley and rf) that should alert OP of things to think seriously <br />
about. There is nothing wrong with raising honest issues.<br />
<br />
[The other day, the main Sydney newspaper carried a story about <br />
Google and streetscaping. Apparently there are Google vans going <br />
around taking pics of Sydney streets. This is not the one, but <br />
similar to what I saw <br />
<br />
<br />
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/06/04/1180809390551.html<br />
<br />
<br />
What next! ]<br />
<br />
-- <br />
dorayme</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 26.11.2007 14:25:18 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:59:30<br />
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
<br />
>>> Bordering on arrogance, in fact. :)<br />
>><br />
>> Oh, like a Google grouper?<br />
> <br />
> Groupers <spit> are just clueless.<br />
> <br />
> Ow. That hurt. I think sharks aren't supposed to spit.<br />
<br />
Probably don't have the cheeks for it. Or maybe one of the tin cans came <br />
up.<br />
<br />
>> Yes, sharks are called "the perfect eating machine". But what else<br />
>> do they do that's interesting? I would hardly say that spending a<br />
>> life just swimming and eating equates to having achieved perfection<br />
>> on any reasonable scale in the universe as a whole.<br />
> <br />
> Well, we boink. That's pretty fun. And we do it in public.<br />
> <br />
> Other than that: Swim to live; live to swim.<br />
<br />
And when you're called for the final judgment, what are you gonna say? <br />
"I boinked and swam in oblivious malaise..."? Now that I think about it, <br />
I've never heard anyone ever claim there were sharks in heaven. Little <br />
wonder.<br />
<br />
>>> Humans evolved faster because they had more to imrove on and less<br />
>>> time to do it. Eventually, they may reach the evolutionary<br />
>>> perfection that sharks have. Well, probably not -- sharks have<br />
>>> avoided the unwanted capability to blow themselves up in massive<br />
>>> quantities. <br />
>><br />
>> Humans had more to improve on because they had more potential to<br />
>> begin with. The conclusion is unavoidable: sharks are an<br />
>> evolutionary cul-de- sac who persist only because of the vastness of<br />
>> their preferred environment. Such a predator dwelling on land would<br />
>> surely have been eliminated long ago by the stupidest humans you can<br />
>> imagine (barring your reflections on some of the posters here).<br />
> <br />
> You forget one thing. Land sharks.<br />
<br />
-An extremely rare breed with negligable impact on anything except <br />
standup comedy.<br />
<br />
>>> One of the essences of sharkness is the beauty of sleekness and<br />
>>> balance. <br />
>> <br />
>> Simple symmetry and simple mentality. Whoopee twang.<br />
> <br />
> We have an extremely low rate of mental illness, Mr. Vulnerable. ;)<br />
<br />
Well, there aren't a lot of sick rocks in the world, either...<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 26.11.2007 14:29:24 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:01:13<br />
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
<br />
>>>> Kukla, Fran, & Ollie<br />
>>> <br />
>>> I remember watching them. [sounds of cartilage creaking]<br />
>><br />
>> You didn't eat Ollie, did you?<br />
> <br />
> Fran Allison was more substantial. Uh......I mean "no".<br />
<br />
More substantial how?<br />
<br />
>> (You're showing your age...)<br />
> <br />
> Not embarrassed to have just turned 60 in human years.<br />
<br />
Nor should you be. But even if you were, you probably wouldn't notice it <br />
due to the overwhelming embarrassment engendered by frolicking asea without <br />
a bathing suit.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 26.11.2007 14:38:30 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:30:19<br />
GMT dorayme scribed: <br />
<br />
>> > Funny how you, an earthling, so little understand human <br />
>> > psychology, pride, investment and the general notion of theory <br />
>> > building. No one reasonably competent, if handed the job of <br />
>> > fulfilling some of the basic aims of the OP would start with what <br />
>> > he has.<br />
>> <br />
>> So far we agree. But there are 3 of them. Are they all incompetent?<br />
>><br />
> <br />
> I love this "but" of yours. It is the sign of a masterstroke of <br />
> reasoning. If a team does something, it does not mean that they <br />
> are all responsible for the overall faults of a page. Yawn and <br />
> daydream about that - see your impudent remarks below (Officer <br />
> White has been despatched with fresh orders. There may be a <br />
> slight delay, he has a bad hangover after a Don's party for the <br />
> recent oz federal election. He is never in a good mood after <br />
> hangovers, do not provoke him. It will be bad enough for you even <br />
> if you are nice and offer him a cool iced-lemon drink).<br />
<br />
I happened to mention to a friend of mine that you loved my "but", and he <br />
wants to know if you'll meet him in Macao?<br />
<br />
>> So you equate "mugging" with expressing an honest opinion. <br />
> <br />
> I can always count on you understanding the least thing.<br />
<br />
Dependability is a virtue oft overlooked in the character of many an <br />
erudite humanitarian.<br />
<br />
>> As a side note, I think you were more fun when you were dingbatty. <br />
>> Now your posts make me yawn alot and daydream about the sweet potato<br />
>> farm in Kuala Lumpur.<br />
> <br />
> Look, many very fair points have been made (most recently Sherm <br />
> Pendley and rf) that should alert OP of things to think seriously <br />
> about. There is nothing wrong with raising honest issues.<br />
<br />
Of course not. That's what I said. And, as we all know, I'm right.<br />
<br />
> [The other day, the main Sydney newspaper carried a story about <br />
> Google and streetscaping. Apparently there are Google vans going <br />
> around taking pics of Sydney streets. This is not the one, but <br />
> similar to what I saw <br />
> <br />
> <br />
> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/06/04/1180809390551.html<br />
> <br />
> <br />
> What next! ]<br />
<br />
Personally, I think that kind of "photography" _is_ an invasion of <br />
privacy. Look at it this way: what if the government was doing it?<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 26.11.2007 23:15:19 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:59:30<br />
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
><br />
>>>> Bordering on arrogance, in fact. :)<br />
>>><br />
>>> Oh, like a Google grouper?<br />
>> <br />
>> Groupers <spit> are just clueless.<br />
>> <br />
>> Ow. That hurt. I think sharks aren't supposed to spit.<br />
><br />
> Probably don't have the cheeks for it. Or maybe one of the tin cans came <br />
> up.<br />
<br />
Yeah. The gills are kind of right there.<br />
<br />
>>> Yes, sharks are called "the perfect eating machine". But what else<br />
>>> do they do that's interesting? I would hardly say that spending a<br />
>>> life just swimming and eating equates to having achieved perfection<br />
>>> on any reasonable scale in the universe as a whole.<br />
>> <br />
>> Well, we boink. That's pretty fun. And we do it in public.<br />
>> <br />
>> Other than that: Swim to live; live to swim.<br />
><br />
> And when you're called for the final judgment, what are you gonna say? <br />
> "I boinked and swam in oblivious malaise..."? Now that I think about it, <br />
<br />
I'm gonna say --> http://blinkynet.net/images/dinner.jpg<br />
<br />
But please note that's not me: http://blinkynet.net<br />
<br />
> I've never heard anyone ever claim there were sharks in heaven. Little <br />
> wonder.<br />
<br />
http://www.tsrocks.com/d/darkthrone_texts/straightening_shar ks_in_heaven.html<br />
<br />
>>> Humans had more to improve on because they had more potential to<br />
>>> begin with. The conclusion is unavoidable: sharks are an<br />
>>> evolutionary cul-de- sac who persist only because of the vastness of<br />
>>> their preferred environment. Such a predator dwelling on land would<br />
>>> surely have been eliminated long ago by the stupidest humans you can<br />
>>> imagine (barring your reflections on some of the posters here).<br />
>> <br />
>> You forget one thing. Land sharks.<br />
><br />
> -An extremely rare breed with negligable impact on anything except <br />
> standup comedy.<br />
<br />
Pop culture rules.<br />
<br />
>>>> One of the essences of sharkness is the beauty of sleekness and<br />
>>>> balance. <br />
>>> <br />
>>> Simple symmetry and simple mentality. Whoopee twang.<br />
>> <br />
>> We have an extremely low rate of mental illness, Mr. Vulnerable. ;)<br />
> <br />
> Well, there aren't a lot of sick rocks in the world, either...<br />
<br />
And an island never cries.<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 26.11.2007 23:21:05 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:01:13<br />
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
><br />
>>>>> Kukla, Fran, & Ollie<br />
>>>> <br />
>>>> I remember watching them. [sounds of cartilage creaking]<br />
>>><br />
>>> You didn't eat Ollie, did you?<br />
>> <br />
>> Fran Allison was more substantial. Uh......I mean "no".<br />
><br />
> More substantial how?<br />
<br />
Much bigger; thus more filling and satisfying.<br />
<br />
>>> (You're showing your age...)<br />
>> <br />
>> Not embarrassed to have just turned 60 in human years.<br />
><br />
> Nor should you be. But even if you were, you probably wouldn't notice it <br />
> due to the overwhelming embarrassment engendered by frolicking asea without <br />
> a bathing suit.<br />
<br />
You're not accounting for my Speedos.<br />
<br />
Old men in Speedos. Yikes. Man, that's got "Europe" written *all* over<br />
it.<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 27.11.2007 04:33:13 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:15:19<br />
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
<br />
>>> Groupers <spit> are just clueless.<br />
>>> <br />
>>> Ow. That hurt. I think sharks aren't supposed to spit.<br />
>><br />
>> Probably don't have the cheeks for it. Or maybe one of the tin cans<br />
>> came up.<br />
> <br />
> Yeah. The gills are kind of right there.<br />
<br />
Well, gillty things do have to pay the price.<br />
<br />
>> And when you're called for the final judgment, what are you gonna<br />
>> say? "I boinked and swam in oblivious malaise..."? Now that I think<br />
>> about it, <br />
> <br />
> I'm gonna say --> http://blinkynet.net/images/dinner.jpg<br />
> <br />
> But please note that's not me: http://blinkynet.net<br />
<br />
Who is it, Humphrey Halibut?<br />
<br />
>> I've never heard anyone ever claim there were sharks in heaven. <br />
>> Little wonder.<br />
> <br />
> http://www.tsrocks.com/d/darkthrone_texts/straightening_shar ks_in_heave<br />
> n.html <br />
<br />
Uh, yeah... That made like no sense whatsoever. Who writes such crap, <br />
charter members of the mutual mental midgets admiration society?<br />
<br />
>>> You forget one thing. Land sharks.<br />
>><br />
>> -An extremely rare breed with negligable impact on anything except <br />
>> standup comedy.<br />
> <br />
> Pop culture rules.<br />
<br />
Only if Bush says so.<br />
<br />
>>>>> One of the essences of sharkness is the beauty of sleekness and<br />
>>>>> balance. <br />
>>>> <br />
>>>> Simple symmetry and simple mentality. Whoopee twang.<br />
>>> <br />
>>> We have an extremely low rate of mental illness, Mr. Vulnerable. ;)<br />
>> <br />
>> Well, there aren't a lot of sick rocks in the world, either...<br />
> <br />
> And an island never cries.<br />
<br />
Who would listen?<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 27.11.2007 04:37:06 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:21:05<br />
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
<br />
>>>>>> Kukla, Fran, & Ollie<br />
>>>>> <br />
>>>>> I remember watching them. [sounds of cartilage creaking]<br />
>>>><br />
>>>> You didn't eat Ollie, did you?<br />
>>> <br />
>>> Fran Allison was more substantial. Uh......I mean "no".<br />
>><br />
>> More substantial how?<br />
> <br />
> Much bigger; thus more filling and satisfying.<br />
<br />
Well, Ollie had more personality (though no tits).<br />
<br />
>>>> (You're showing your age...)<br />
>>> <br />
>>> Not embarrassed to have just turned 60 in human years.<br />
>><br />
>> Nor should you be. But even if you were, you probably wouldn't<br />
>> notice it due to the overwhelming embarrassment engendered by<br />
>> frolicking asea without a bathing suit.<br />
> <br />
> You're not accounting for my Speedos.<br />
> <br />
> Old men in Speedos. Yikes. Man, that's got "Europe" written *all*<br />
> over it.<br />
<br />
Europeans have a knack for taking something profoundly mundane and making <br />
it positively gauche.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 27.11.2007 05:00:06 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:15:19<br />
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
><br />
>>>> Groupers <spit> are just clueless.<br />
>>>> <br />
>>>> Ow. That hurt. I think sharks aren't supposed to spit.<br />
>>><br />
>>> Probably don't have the cheeks for it. Or maybe one of the tin cans<br />
>>> came up.<br />
>> <br />
>> Yeah. The gills are kind of right there.<br />
><br />
> Well, gillty things do have to pay the price.<br />
><br />
>>> And when you're called for the final judgment, what are you gonna<br />
>>> say? "I boinked and swam in oblivious malaise..."? Now that I think<br />
>>> about it, <br />
>> <br />
>> I'm gonna say --> http://blinkynet.net/images/dinner.jpg<br />
>> <br />
>> But please note that's not me: http://blinkynet.net<br />
><br />
> Who is it, Humphrey Halibut?<br />
<br />
It's who the caption says it is if you're evolved enough to read it.<br />
<br />
>>> I've never heard anyone ever claim there were sharks in heaven. <br />
>>> Little wonder.<br />
>> <br />
>> http://www.tsrocks.com/d/darkthrone_texts/straightening_shar ks_in_heave<br />
>> n.html <br />
><br />
> Uh, yeah... That made like no sense whatsoever. Who writes such crap, <br />
> charter members of the mutual mental midgets admiration society?<br />
<br />
Didn't make any sense to me, either. I think this is to our credit.<br />
<br />
>>>> You forget one thing. Land sharks.<br />
>>><br />
>>> -An extremely rare breed with negligable impact on anything except <br />
>>> standup comedy.<br />
>> <br />
>> Pop culture rules.<br />
><br />
> Only if Bush says so.<br />
<br />
I don't do politics.<br />
<br />
>>>>>> One of the essences of sharkness is the beauty of sleekness and<br />
>>>>>> balance. <br />
>>>>> <br />
>>>>> Simple symmetry and simple mentality. Whoopee twang.<br />
>>>> <br />
>>>> We have an extremely low rate of mental illness, Mr. Vulnerable. ;)<br />
>>> <br />
>>> Well, there aren't a lot of sick rocks in the world, either...<br />
>> <br />
>> And an island never cries.<br />
> <br />
> Who would listen?<br />
<br />
Lake Erie, of course.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 27.11.2007 08:41:13 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:00:06 <br />
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
<br />
<br />
>>> But please note that's not me: http://blinkynet.net<br />
>><br />
>> Who is it, Humphrey Halibut?<br />
> <br />
> It's who the caption says it is if you're evolved enough to read it.<br />
<br />
Er, there was a caption? Well fancy that. I generally don't look around <br />
when a shark is staring me in the face.<br />
<br />
http://www.tsrocks.com/d/darkthrone_texts/straightening_shar ks_in_heave<br />
>>> n.html <br />
>><br />
>> Uh, yeah... That made like no sense whatsoever. Who writes such <br />
crap, <br />
>> charter members of the mutual mental midgets admiration society?<br />
> <br />
> Didn't make any sense to me, either. I think this is to our credit.<br />
<br />
Yup. Sure there are age differences, but that was just pig drool.<br />
<br />
>>> Pop culture rules.<br />
>><br />
>> Only if Bush says so.<br />
> <br />
> I don't do politics.<br />
<br />
Um, what _do_ you do?<br />
<br />
>>> And an island never cries.<br />
>> <br />
>> Who would listen?<br />
> <br />
> Lake Erie, of course.<br />
<br />
Yeah but Lake Superior would tell it to shut up and behave properly.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 27.11.2007 09:42:41 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:00:06 <br />
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
><br />
><br />
>>>> But please note that's not me: http://blinkynet.net<br />
>>><br />
>>> Who is it, Humphrey Halibut?<br />
>> <br />
>> It's who the caption says it is if you're evolved enough to read it.<br />
><br />
> Er, there was a caption? Well fancy that. I generally don't look around <br />
> when a shark is staring me in the face.<br />
<br />
As close as possible to the bottom of the image, in the usual caption<br />
location. :)<br />
<br />
>>>> Pop culture rules.<br />
>>><br />
>>> Only if Bush says so.<br />
>> <br />
>> I don't do politics.<br />
><br />
> Um, what _do_ you do?<br />
<br />
Swim. Eat. Look back with satifaction on evolution. We covered that.<br />
<br />
>>>> And an island never cries.<br />
>>> <br />
>>> Who would listen?<br />
>> <br />
>> Lake Erie, of course.<br />
<br />
I certainly hope you got the "eary" pun there. I live for pun groans.<br />
<br />
> Yeah but Lake Superior would tell it to shut up and behave properly.<br />
<br />
Speaking of superior, a Canadian buddy sent me (a USan) this a long time<br />
ago, eh?<br />
<br />
http://blinkynet.net/stuff/ontop.jpg<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 27.11.2007 10:55:38 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:42:41<br />
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
<br />
>>>>> But please note that's not me: http://blinkynet.net<br />
>>>><br />
>>>> Who is it, Humphrey Halibut?<br />
>>> <br />
>>> It's who the caption says it is if you're evolved enough to read it.<br />
>><br />
>> Er, there was a caption? Well fancy that. I generally don't look<br />
>> around when a shark is staring me in the face.<br />
> <br />
> As close as possible to the bottom of the image, in the usual caption<br />
> location. :)<br />
<br />
Of course I saw it! And I read it. The only trouble is that I can't <br />
remember what it said in relation to what we are discussing. For that <br />
matter, I can't remember what we were discussing as regards to what we <br />
are discussing. I live for the moment, -not historical significance.<br />
<br />
>>>>> Pop culture rules.<br />
>>>><br />
>>>> Only if Bush says so.<br />
>>> <br />
>>> I don't do politics.<br />
>><br />
>> Um, what _do_ you do?<br />
> <br />
> Swim. Eat. Look back with satifaction on evolution. We covered<br />
> that. <br />
<br />
I meant in a professional capacity. Or are you a confirmed amateur?<br />
<br />
>>>>> And an island never cries.<br />
>>>> <br />
>>>> Who would listen?<br />
>>> <br />
>>> Lake Erie, of course.<br />
> <br />
> I certainly hope you got the "eary" pun there. I live for pun groans.<br />
<br />
....And I hope you got the sup-eary-er one. :)<br />
<br />
>> Yeah but Lake Superior would tell it to shut up and behave properly.<br />
> <br />
> Speaking of superior, a Canadian buddy sent me (a USan) this a long<br />
> time ago, eh?<br />
> <br />
> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/ontop.jpg<br />
<br />
Canadians always try harder because most of the world forgets they're <br />
there. Not long ago I was vacationing in Terra del Fuego and asked for <br />
some Canadian beer at the resort bar. The bartender hesitated then <br />
replied very apologetically, "I'm sorry, sir, we only have bottles."<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 27.11.2007 18:52:10 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:42:41<br />
> GMT Blinky the Shark scribed: <br />
>>>>> Only if Bush says so.<br />
>>>> <br />
>>>> I don't do politics.<br />
>>><br />
>>> Um, what _do_ you do?<br />
>> <br />
>> Swim. Eat. Look back with satifaction on evolution. We covered<br />
>> that. <br />
><br />
> I meant in a professional capacity. Or are you a confirmed amateur?<br />
<br />
I don't do politics at any level. Professionally, I'm a TV cameraman.<br />
<br />
>> Speaking of superior, a Canadian buddy sent me (a USan) this a long<br />
>> time ago, eh?<br />
>> <br />
>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/ontop.jpg<br />
> <br />
> Canadians always try harder because most of the world forgets they're <br />
> there. Not long ago I was vacationing in Terra del Fuego and asked for <br />
> some Canadian beer at the resort bar. The bartender hesitated then <br />
> replied very apologetically, "I'm sorry, sir, we only have bottles."<br />
<br />
:)<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 27.11.2007 22:23:40 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:52:10 GMT <br />
Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
<br />
>>>> Um, what _do_ you do?<br />
>>> <br />
>>> Swim. Eat. Look back with satifaction on evolution. We covered<br />
>>> that. <br />
>><br />
>> I meant in a professional capacity. Or are you a confirmed amateur?<br />
> <br />
> I don't do politics at any level. Professionally, I'm a TV cameraman.<br />
<br />
In Zoltan Korda's 1942 movie "The Jungle Book" there was dialogue about <br />
like this:<br />
<br />
Girl: What are the monkeys saying?<br />
<br />
Mowgli: The monkey people say what the monkey people always say. "We,<br />
the monkey people, are the greatest people in the world. We know this<br />
is true because we always say it is true so therefore it must be true."<br />
<br />
Kinda reminds me of the official shark stance on evolution...<br />
<br />
So, as a TV cameraman, do you willingly bear your share of responsibility <br />
for the crap that's on TV?<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 27.11.2007 22:48:04 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
<br />
> So, as a TV cameraman, do you willingly bear your share of<br />
> responsibility for the crap that's on TV?<br />
<br />
I do my craft; I earn my pay; I cash my check. You're welcome to your<br />
opinions on what you like and don't like, but they don't interest me.<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 27.11.2007 23:34:22 von jwkenne</span>
<p>The Magpie wrote:<br />
> Andy Dingley wrote:<br />
>> On 19 Nov, 18:38, The Magpie <use...@pigsinspace.co.uk> wrote:<br />
>><br />
>>> Personally, I prefer XHTML 1.0 over HTML 4.x because it is much easier<br />
>>> to ensure it is error-free. But that's a personal choice.<br />
>> What makes you think that?<br />
>><br />
> I should have thought that was obvious.<br />
> <br />
> HTML was designed from the start as a subset of SGML that would permit<br />
> lax coding of tags<br />
<br />
Clarification: SGML (and GML before it) always allowed lax coding.<br />
-- <br />
John W. Kennedy<br />
"The pathetic hope that the White House will turn a Caligula into a <br />
Marcus Aurelius is as naïve as the fear that ultimate power inevitably <br />
corrupts."<br />
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 28.11.2007 04:05:11 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:48:04 GMT <br />
Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
<br />
> Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> <br />
>> So, as a TV cameraman, do you willingly bear your share of<br />
>> responsibility for the crap that's on TV?<br />
> <br />
> I do my craft; I earn my pay; I cash my check. You're welcome to your<br />
> opinions on what you like and don't like, but they don't interest me.<br />
<br />
Er, too close to home, eh? Okay, I'll lay off.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
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<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 28.11.2007 07:42:47 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Bone Ur wrote:<br />
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 27 Nov 2007<br />
> 21:48:04 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
><br />
>> Bone Ur wrote:<br />
>> <br />
>>> So, as a TV cameraman, do you willingly bear your share of<br />
>>> responsibility for the crap that's on TV?<br />
>> <br />
>> I do my craft; I earn my pay; I cash my check. You're welcome to<br />
>> your opinions on what you like and don't like, but they don't<br />
>> interest me.<br />
><br />
> Er, too close to home, eh? Okay, I'll lay off.<br />
<br />
I know plenty of TV haters. That's okay. :)<br />
<br />
But let me ask this. As a camera op here in Hollywood, I consider<br />
myself a blue collar worker. I'm a member of the International<br />
Cinematographer's Guild. My grandfather was a tool and die maker; I<br />
consider my camera the equivalent of his tools. Different era,<br />
different product, different unions. Both skilled craftsmen. So. If<br />
you hated all cars, would you honestly feel that their design were the<br />
fault of the guys on those assembly lines?<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
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<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 28.11.2007 08:01:28 von Adrienne Boswell</span>
<p>Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Blinky the Shark <br />
<no.spam@box.invalid> writing in <br />
news:slrnfkq3fr.g0j.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net:<br />
<br />
> Bone Ur wrote:<br />
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 27 Nov 2007<br />
>> 21:48:04 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
>><br />
>>> Bone Ur wrote:<br />
>>> <br />
>>>> So, as a TV cameraman, do you willingly bear your share of<br />
>>>> responsibility for the crap that's on TV?<br />
>>> <br />
>>> I do my craft; I earn my pay; I cash my check. You're welcome to<br />
>>> your opinions on what you like and don't like, but they don't<br />
>>> interest me.<br />
>><br />
>> Er, too close to home, eh? Okay, I'll lay off.<br />
> <br />
> I know plenty of TV haters. That's okay. :)<br />
> <br />
> But let me ask this. As a camera op here in Hollywood, I consider<br />
> myself a blue collar worker. I'm a member of the International<br />
> Cinematographer's Guild. My grandfather was a tool and die maker; I<br />
> consider my camera the equivalent of his tools. Different era,<br />
> different product, different unions. Both skilled craftsmen. So. If<br />
> you hated all cars, would you honestly feel that their design were the<br />
> fault of the guys on those assembly lines?<br />
> <br />
> <br />
<br />
Small world - my mother was a secretary at Local 659 at 7715 Sunset Blvd <br />
(in 1972). Her friend, and our neighbor, worked across the street at <br />
the Screen Actor's Guild. <br />
<br />
-- <br />
Adrienne Boswell at Home<br />
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 28.11.2007 08:14:02 von Ed Mullen</span>
<p>Blinky the Shark wrote:<br />
> Bone Ur wrote:<br />
>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 27 Nov 2007<br />
>> 21:48:04 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
>><br />
>>> Bone Ur wrote:<br />
>>><br />
>>>> So, as a TV cameraman, do you willingly bear your share of<br />
>>>> responsibility for the crap that's on TV?<br />
>>> I do my craft; I earn my pay; I cash my check. You're welcome to<br />
>>> your opinions on what you like and don't like, but they don't<br />
>>> interest me.<br />
>> Er, too close to home, eh? Okay, I'll lay off.<br />
> <br />
> I know plenty of TV haters. That's okay. :)<br />
> <br />
> But let me ask this. As a camera op here in Hollywood, I consider<br />
> myself a blue collar worker. I'm a member of the International<br />
> Cinematographer's Guild. My grandfather was a tool and die maker; I<br />
> consider my camera the equivalent of his tools. Different era,<br />
> different product, different unions. Both skilled craftsmen. So. If<br />
> you hated all cars, would you honestly feel that their design were the<br />
> fault of the guys on those assembly lines?<br />
> <br />
> <br />
<br />
I know what you mean. I worked in broadcast TV in the 70s for almost <br />
ten years (floor manager, camera op, lighting, crew chief, audio <br />
engineer, associate producer, etc.). I worked on a lot of shows I'm <br />
still proud of. And a whole bunch of crap, week after week ...<br />
<br />
"Farm, Home and Garden" might have been pretty low-brow fare but, <br />
dammit! I framed those shots just great! ;-)<br />
<br />
There are lots of very adeptly produced products on the market that do <br />
not interest me. I may find some of them insipid, some annoying, some a <br />
tad risque, some even disgusting for one reason or another. But they <br />
are well produced nonetheless. So, I can, at the same time, shake my <br />
head at the "marketing man run amok" (and I was one) who conceived of it <br />
and got it marketed, while still giving a nod to the talented folks who <br />
built it. Different ethos involved for each group. I can admire one <br />
while disdaining the other. No conflict.<br />
<br />
The only responsibility the camera op has is how well the shots coming <br />
from his camera look. Period. Hey, The Jerry Springer Show is pretty <br />
dumb (I think I was just kind there). But those camera ops follow the <br />
action pretty well.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Ed Mullen<br />
http://edmullen.net<br />
http://mozilla.edmullen.net<br />
http://abington.edmullen.net<br />
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<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 28.11.2007 08:18:33 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Adrienne Boswell wrote:<br />
> Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Blinky the Shark <br />
><no.spam@box.invalid> writing in<br />
>news:slrnfkq3fr.g0j.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net:<br />
><br />
>> Bone Ur wrote:<br />
>>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 27 Nov 2007<br />
>>> 21:48:04 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
>>><br />
>>>> Bone Ur wrote:<br />
>>>> <br />
>>>>> So, as a TV cameraman, do you willingly bear your share of<br />
>>>>> responsibility for the crap that's on TV?<br />
>>>> <br />
>>>> I do my craft; I earn my pay; I cash my check. You're welcome to<br />
>>>> your opinions on what you like and don't like, but they don't<br />
>>>> interest me.<br />
>>><br />
>>> Er, too close to home, eh? Okay, I'll lay off.<br />
>> <br />
>> I know plenty of TV haters. That's okay. :)<br />
>> <br />
>> But let me ask this. As a camera op here in Hollywood, I consider<br />
>> myself a blue collar worker. I'm a member of the International<br />
>> Cinematographer's Guild. My grandfather was a tool and die maker; I<br />
>> consider my camera the equivalent of his tools. Different era,<br />
>> different product, different unions. Both skilled craftsmen. So.<br />
>> If you hated all cars, would you honestly feel that their design were<br />
>> the fault of the guys on those assembly lines?<br />
><br />
> Small world - my mother was a secretary at Local 659 at 7715 Sunset<br />
> Blvd <br />
<br />
7755 now. I'm trying to think when it became Local 600. I'm guessing<br />
around 2000. It had something to do with consolidating the camera<br />
locals from around the country.<br />
<br />
> (in 1972). Her friend, and our neighbor, worked across the street at<br />
> the Screen Actor's Guild. <br />
<br />
The DGA's over there, now. I don't remember if SAG is, now, or not.<br />
Probably still is. The DGA theatre is a good place to watch movies; we<br />
(Camera Guild) get screenings over there.<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
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<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 28.11.2007 08:26:18 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Ed Mullen wrote:<br />
> Blinky the Shark wrote:<br />
>> Bone Ur wrote:<br />
>>> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 27 Nov 2007<br />
>>> 21:48:04 GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
>>><br />
>>>> Bone Ur wrote:<br />
>>>><br />
>>>>> So, as a TV cameraman, do you willingly bear your share of<br />
>>>>> responsibility for the crap that's on TV?<br />
>>>> I do my craft; I earn my pay; I cash my check. You're welcome to<br />
>>>> your opinions on what you like and don't like, but they don't<br />
>>>> interest me.<br />
>>> Er, too close to home, eh? Okay, I'll lay off.<br />
>> <br />
>> I know plenty of TV haters. That's okay. :)<br />
>> <br />
>> But let me ask this. As a camera op here in Hollywood, I consider<br />
>> myself a blue collar worker. I'm a member of the International<br />
>> Cinematographer's Guild. My grandfather was a tool and die maker; I<br />
>> consider my camera the equivalent of his tools. Different era,<br />
>> different product, different unions. Both skilled craftsmen. So. If<br />
>> you hated all cars, would you honestly feel that their design were the<br />
>> fault of the guys on those assembly lines?<br />
>> <br />
>> <br />
><br />
> I know what you mean. I worked in broadcast TV in the 70s for almost <br />
> ten years (floor manager, camera op, lighting, crew chief, audio <br />
> engineer, associate producer, etc.). I worked on a lot of shows I'm <br />
> still proud of. And a whole bunch of crap, week after week ...<br />
<br />
I did all that stuff in the late 70s, too, and more -- back in the small<br />
midwest market where I got into the biz. Those were fun days, and<br />
having various roles made it so every day wasn't quite the same old<br />
thing.<br />
<br />
> "Farm, Home and Garden" might have been pretty low-brow fare but, <br />
> dammit! I framed those shots just great! ;-)<br />
<br />
:) My first paid day in TV was as a Master Control Director for a PBS<br />
affiliate, being in at six AM or something, on some days, which was<br />
horrible in winter. I've seen more Sesame Street than you and four of<br />
your friends combined, because I put them on the air. :)<br />
<br />
> There are lots of very adeptly produced products on the market that do <br />
> not interest me. I may find some of them insipid, some annoying, some a <br />
> tad risque, some even disgusting for one reason or another. But they <br />
> are well produced nonetheless. So, I can, at the same time, shake my <br />
<br />
The highest production values are often found in the commercials.<br />
<br />
> head at the "marketing man run amok" (and I was one) who conceived of it <br />
<br />
That's a role I avoided. I just liked the studio and being part of<br />
putting stuff together there. One of my favorite roles was directing<br />
the late - 1 AM - news (I worked at the PBS station and a commercial<br />
affiliate at the same time).<br />
<br />
> and got it marketed, while still giving a nod to the talented folks who <br />
> built it. Different ethos involved for each group. I can admire one <br />
> while disdaining the other. No conflict.<br />
><br />
> The only responsibility the camera op has is how well the shots coming <br />
> from his camera look. Period. Hey, The Jerry Springer Show is pretty <br />
> dumb (I think I was just kind there). But those camera ops follow the <br />
> action pretty well.<br />
<br />
Aye.<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 28.11.2007 10:14:10 von Bone Ur</span>
<p>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:42:47 GMT <br />
Blinky the Shark scribed:<br />
<br />
>>>> So, as a TV cameraman, do you willingly bear your share of<br />
>>>> responsibility for the crap that's on TV?<br />
>>> <br />
>>> I do my craft; I earn my pay; I cash my check. You're welcome to<br />
>>> your opinions on what you like and don't like, but they don't<br />
>>> interest me.<br />
>><br />
>> Er, too close to home, eh? Okay, I'll lay off.<br />
> <br />
> I know plenty of TV haters. That's okay. :)<br />
> <br />
> But let me ask this. As a camera op here in Hollywood, I consider<br />
> myself a blue collar worker. I'm a member of the International<br />
> Cinematographer's Guild. My grandfather was a tool and die maker; I<br />
> consider my camera the equivalent of his tools. Different era,<br />
> different product, different unions. Both skilled craftsmen. So. If<br />
> you hated all cars, would you honestly feel that their design were the<br />
> fault of the guys on those assembly lines?<br />
<br />
Of course not. I just said that to get your sheep. And I don't _really_ <br />
think _all_ TV is crap, either, but it probably has more than it needs. <br />
'Law and Order' was a good show, for instance; I've even purchased some of <br />
the reruns (-yeah, I said "purchased", so you can see I'm not totally <br />
cheap.)<br />
<br />
Fyi, I was an electrician for a while and I didn't feel any personal guilt <br />
when Lee Trevino got zapped on the golf course that time.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Bone Ur<br />
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 28.11.2007 20:42:23 von Ed Mullen</span>
<p>Blinky the Shark wrote:<br />
> Ed Mullen wrote:<br />
<br />
>> "Farm, Home and Garden" might have been pretty low-brow fare but, <br />
>> dammit! I framed those shots just great! ;-)<br />
> <br />
> :) My first paid day in TV was as a Master Control Director for a PBS<br />
> affiliate, being in at six AM or something, on some days, which was<br />
> horrible in winter. I've seen more Sesame Street than you and four of<br />
> your friends combined, because I put them on the air. :)<br />
<br />
I doubt it! :-) My stint was at the PBS affiliate at Penn State U., <br />
WPSX-TV. We called them "Duty Directors" and I did that for a brief <br />
while. But there was also so much down time between production that we <br />
spent a lot of time just watching the network feeds of shows we were <br />
recording for later broadcast. so, yeah, lots of Sesame St. and <br />
Electric Co. The most disconcerting experience was one morning about 7 <br />
AM as I sat at the production-control audio console, nursing my first <br />
cup of coffee after a /very/ late night, I glanced up at the 20" Conrac <br />
network monitor to view a Cesarean section being performed, close ups <br />
and all. It did /nothing/ to help the hangover.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Ed Mullen<br />
http://edmullen.net<br />
http://mozilla.edmullen.net<br />
http://abington.edmullen.net<br />
Why are builders afraid to have a 13th floor but book publishers aren't <br />
afraid to have Chapter 11?</p>
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<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 28.11.2007 20:49:42 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Ed Mullen wrote:<br />
> Blinky the Shark wrote:<br />
>> Ed Mullen wrote:<br />
><br />
>>> "Farm, Home and Garden" might have been pretty low-brow fare but, <br />
>>> dammit! I framed those shots just great! ;-)<br />
>> <br />
>> :) My first paid day in TV was as a Master Control Director for a PBS<br />
>> affiliate, being in at six AM or something, on some days, which was<br />
>> horrible in winter. I've seen more Sesame Street than you and four of<br />
>> your friends combined, because I put them on the air. :)<br />
><br />
> I doubt it! :-) My stint was at the PBS affiliate at Penn State U., <br />
> WPSX-TV. We called them "Duty Directors" and I did that for a brief <br />
> while. But there was also so much down time between production that we <br />
> spent a lot of time just watching the network feeds of shows we were <br />
> recording for later broadcast. so, yeah, lots of Sesame St. and <br />
<br />
Did you do sneakernet? Going down to the bus station for programs<br />
coming to you on 2" tape? :)<br />
<br />
> Electric Co. The most disconcerting experience was one morning about 7 <br />
<br />
And the ever popular...<br />
<br />
Come on and zoom zoom zoom-a zoom.<br />
<br />
> AM as I sat at the production-control audio console, nursing my first <br />
> cup of coffee after a /very/ late night, I glanced up at the 20" Conrac <br />
> network monitor to view a Cesarean section being performed, close ups <br />
> and all. It did /nothing/ to help the hangover.<br />
<br />
Ugh. I'll bet not. An eye-opener, though. :)<br />
<br />
This post was brought to you by the letters B and R, and the number 8.<br />
<br />
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<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 01:33:19 von Ed Mullen</span>
<p>Blinky the Shark wrote:<br />
> Ed Mullen wrote:<br />
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:<br />
>>> Ed Mullen wrote:<br />
>>>> "Farm, Home and Garden" might have been pretty low-brow fare but, <br />
>>>> dammit! I framed those shots just great! ;-)<br />
>>> :) My first paid day in TV was as a Master Control Director for a PBS<br />
>>> affiliate, being in at six AM or something, on some days, which was<br />
>>> horrible in winter. I've seen more Sesame Street than you and four of<br />
>>> your friends combined, because I put them on the air. :)<br />
>> I doubt it! :-) My stint was at the PBS affiliate at Penn State U., <br />
>> WPSX-TV. We called them "Duty Directors" and I did that for a brief <br />
>> while. But there was also so much down time between production that we <br />
>> spent a lot of time just watching the network feeds of shows we were <br />
>> recording for later broadcast. so, yeah, lots of Sesame St. and <br />
> <br />
> Did you do sneakernet? Going down to the bus station for programs<br />
> coming to you on 2" tape? :)<br />
<br />
LOL. Yes! Quad tapes! Some of my earliest memories are of editing <br />
shows together using two (or three) quad machines "loosely" synchronized <br />
(pre SMPTE time code) by an RCA TEP (Tape Editing Programmer). And a <br />
video tech with arms stretched wide to try and hit the Start buttons on <br />
both machines (playback and record) at the same time. In fact, I <br />
remember Clarence McCracken doing that with a cigarette and an inch of <br />
ash dangling from his lips. Oh, the kids these days have no idea! <g> <br />
And, I guess, thank God!<br />
<br />
> <br />
>> Electric Co. The most disconcerting experience was one morning about 7 <br />
> <br />
> And the ever popular...<br />
> <br />
> Come on and zoom zoom zoom-a zoom.<br />
> <br />
>> AM as I sat at the production-control audio console, nursing my first <br />
>> cup of coffee after a /very/ late night, I glanced up at the 20" Conrac <br />
>> network monitor to view a Cesarean section being performed, close ups <br />
>> and all. It did /nothing/ to help the hangover.<br />
> <br />
> Ugh. I'll bet not. An eye-opener, though. :)<br />
<br />
It was, although, a Bloody Mary would have been a lot more welcome!<br />
> <br />
> This post was brought to you by the letters B and R, and the number 8.<br />
> <br />
<br />
ROFLMAO!!! The worst was the taxi driver in the Electric Company street <br />
sequence that ran once every show for a year or more. First time I saw <br />
him I went: "Holy crap! That's me!!!" Of course, when I asked my <br />
co-workers they didn't see it, just saw the long hair, the long beard, <br />
etc. and said: Oh, he doesn't look anything like you, Ed! Still <br />
freaked me out. they say everyone has a twin out there somewhere. <br />
Well, that taxi driver in the early 70s in NYC was mine!<br />
<br />
Now, if I can just find my long-last twin brother some 30 years later <br />
.... Ah, he's probably a retired CEO of some Fortune 500 company. :-D<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Ed Mullen<br />
http://edmullen.net<br />
http://mozilla.edmullen.net<br />
http://abington.edmullen.net<br />
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<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 01:44:33 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Ed Mullen wrote:<br />
> Blinky the Shark wrote:<br />
<br />
>> Did you do sneakernet? Going down to the bus station for programs<br />
>> coming to you on 2" tape? :)<br />
><br />
> LOL. Yes! Quad tapes! Some of my earliest memories are of editing <br />
> shows together using two (or three) quad machines "loosely" synchronized <br />
> (pre SMPTE time code) by an RCA TEP (Tape Editing Programmer). And a <br />
> video tech with arms stretched wide to try and hit the Start buttons on <br />
> both machines (playback and record) at the same time. In fact, I <br />
<br />
Ape arms. :)<br />
<br />
> remember Clarence McCracken doing that with a cigarette and an inch of <br />
> ash dangling from his lips. Oh, the kids these days have no idea! <g> <br />
> And, I guess, thank God!<br />
<br />
:)<br />
<br />
>> This post was brought to you by the letters B and R, and the number 8.<br />
><br />
> ROFLMAO!!! The worst was the taxi driver in the Electric Company street <br />
> sequence that ran once every show for a year or more. First time I saw <br />
> him I went: "Holy crap! That's me!!!" Of course, when I asked my <br />
<br />
No, he was making a lot more money.<br />
<br />
But you were both having fun. Admit it. :)<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 02:54:15 von Ed Mullen</span>
<p>Blinky the Shark wrote:<br />
> Ed Mullen wrote:<br />
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:<br />
> <br />
>>> Did you do sneakernet? Going down to the bus station for programs<br />
>>> coming to you on 2" tape? :)<br />
>> LOL. Yes! Quad tapes! Some of my earliest memories are of editing <br />
>> shows together using two (or three) quad machines "loosely" synchronized <br />
>> (pre SMPTE time code) by an RCA TEP (Tape Editing Programmer). And a <br />
>> video tech with arms stretched wide to try and hit the Start buttons on <br />
>> both machines (playback and record) at the same time. In fact, I <br />
> <br />
> Ape arms. :)<br />
<br />
<g> Yes! Uh, wasn't that an actual "technical term" back then?<br />
>>> This post was brought to you by the letters B and R, and the number 8.<br />
>> ROFLMAO!!! The worst was the taxi driver in the Electric Company street <br />
>> sequence that ran once every show for a year or more. First time I saw <br />
>> him I went: "Holy crap! That's me!!!" Of course, when I asked my <br />
> <br />
> No, he was making a lot more money.<br />
> <br />
> But you were both having fun. Admit it. :)<br />
<br />
How can I not?<br />
<br />
Yes, I was having a great time back then. Poor. But having fun! <br />
Sports remotes freelancing for ABC and independents. Hanging out the <br />
door of a remote truck wearing three headsets and a telephone and <br />
yelling at AT&T Network Ops, the two Bell NY guys lying under the truck, <br />
being yelled at by the producer when we were 20 minutes to air time for <br />
the Army Notre Dame game and we lost the feed to the network. And <br />
watching Paul Hornung in the booth upstairs over the monitors slamming <br />
down vodkas. Oh, and it was the weekend that the Watergate scandal <br />
broke and people started resigning from the Nixon admin. And the <br />
production company didn't guarantee our hotel reservations so we had no <br />
place to sleep. Yep, we were having just a fabulous time that weekend! <br />
But, now that I think about it, it was fun! :-)<br />
<br />
Now I'm retired and I'm still having fun. But I have a lot more money. <br />
I sure hope that cab driver became a CEO and he's having this much fun.<br />
<br />
BTW, oddly enough, I drove a cab for a living for about a year back <br />
then. One of the strangest things I've ever done. I felt like an <br />
unlicensed psychotherapist or a bartender, never sure which. People <br />
just started talking and told me all sorts of things about themselves. <br />
Geez. And this was before the phrase "Too Much Information!" became <br />
popular.<br />
<br />
Oh well, now we've totally bored everyone to tears. But, thanks for the <br />
fun trip down memory lane!<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Ed Mullen<br />
http://edmullen.net<br />
http://mozilla.edmullen.net<br />
http://abington.edmullen.net<br />
Why doesn't the glue stick to the inside of the bottle?</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 03:19:05 von dorayme</span>
<p>In article <Is2dnZugtYxXhtPanZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@comcast.com>,<br />
Ed Mullen <ed@edmullen.net> wrote:<br />
<br />
> Oh well, now we've totally bored everyone to tears. But, thanks for the <br />
> fun trip down memory lane!<br />
<br />
Not me, Ed. I read every word with interest.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
dorayme</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 03:44:29 von Ed Mullen</span>
<p>dorayme wrote:<br />
> In article <Is2dnZugtYxXhtPanZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@comcast.com>,<br />
> Ed Mullen <ed@edmullen.net> wrote:<br />
> <br />
>> Oh well, now we've totally bored everyone to tears. But, thanks for the <br />
>> fun trip down memory lane!<br />
> <br />
> Not me, Ed. I read every word with interest.<br />
> <br />
<br />
Thank you! I do love remembering. But I am cognizant of how boring it <br />
may be for those outside of the experience. On the other hand, I love <br />
hearing myself talk. So, uh, geez. I should get counseling! :-)<br />
<br />
Seriously, one thing life has to offer is memories. Good or bad, they <br />
mark the time, they demarcate the eras, and they remind us of how we got <br />
here. Age and time are, I think, friends. Not always placid and <br />
agreeable, but always there to swat us in the back of our heads and <br />
remind us: "Yo! You weren't this smart all the time!" And, of course, <br />
that I'm not all that "smart" even now.<br />
<br />
Which is good, because there is still time to learn. I hope.<br />
<br />
(It's probably not apropos but I happened to glance down (as I rarely <br />
do) at my sig-tag. Pretty funny.)<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Ed Mullen<br />
http://edmullen.net<br />
http://mozilla.edmullen.net<br />
http://abington.edmullen.net<br />
Guys, just because you have one, doesn't mean you have to be one.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 03:47:48 von Sherm Pendley</span>
<p>Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> writes:<br />
<br />
> Ed Mullen wrote:<br />
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:<br />
> <br />
>>> Did you do sneakernet? Going down to the bus station for programs<br />
>>> coming to you on 2" tape? :)<br />
>><br />
>> LOL. Yes! Quad tapes! Some of my earliest memories are of editing <br />
>> shows together using two (or three) quad machines "loosely" synchronized <br />
>> (pre SMPTE time code) by an RCA TEP (Tape Editing Programmer). And a <br />
>> video tech with arms stretched wide to try and hit the Start buttons on <br />
>> both machines (playback and record) at the same time. In fact, I <br />
><br />
> Ape arms. :)<br />
<br />
Tape ape! Tape ape!<br />
<br />
sherm--<br />
<br />
-- <br />
WV News, Blogging, and Discussion: http://wv-www.com<br />
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 04:07:05 von Sherm Pendley</span>
<p>Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> writes:<br />
<br />
> And the ever popular...<br />
><br />
> Come on and zoom zoom zoom-a zoom.<br />
<br />
You guys are making me homesick for Boston. I had the privilege of working<br />
as lead developer for two seasons of the 90s Zoom's web site. Remember<br />
"send it to Zoom"? CamelBones was intended to replace the FileMaker and<br />
MacPerl scripts that were used to manage the thousands of submissions a<br />
week, and beat them into static HTML pages for publication on the web site.<br />
<br />
Sadly, by the time I got enough round tuits to actually write CamelBones,<br />
I had already moved on and no longer worked at WGBH. I still give 'em<br />
credit for inspiring the project though.<br />
<br />
I'd really like to move back up there. Anyone need a programmer for kid-<br />
related project in Boston? Web, desktop apps, games, Mac, Windows, whatever<br />
it takes to teach the little ones is good by me.<br />
<br />
sherm--<br />
<br />
-- <br />
WV News, Blogging, and Discussion: http://wv-www.com<br />
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 04:12:25 von Ed Mullen</span>
<p>Sherman Pendley wrote:<br />
> Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> writes:<br />
> <br />
>> Ed Mullen wrote:<br />
>>> Blinky the Shark wrote:<br />
>> <br />
>>>> Did you do sneakernet? Going down to the bus station for programs<br />
>>>> coming to you on 2" tape? :)<br />
>>> LOL. Yes! Quad tapes! Some of my earliest memories are of editing <br />
>>> shows together using two (or three) quad machines "loosely" synchronized <br />
>>> (pre SMPTE time code) by an RCA TEP (Tape Editing Programmer). And a <br />
>>> video tech with arms stretched wide to try and hit the Start buttons on <br />
>>> both machines (playback and record) at the same time. In fact, I <br />
>> Ape arms. :)<br />
> <br />
> Tape ape! Tape ape!<br />
> <br />
> sherm--<br />
> <br />
<br />
Sherm, you maybe don't want to dive into this discussion that way! :-) <br />
A tad too eager, me thinks!<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Ed Mullen<br />
http://edmullen.net<br />
http://mozilla.edmullen.net<br />
http://abington.edmullen.net<br />
If it ain't broke fix it anyway! If it's broke fix it and make it worse!</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 04:15:29 von Ed Mullen</span>
<p>Sherman Pendley wrote:<br />
> Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> writes:<br />
> <br />
>> And the ever popular...<br />
>><br />
>> Come on and zoom zoom zoom-a zoom.<br />
> <br />
> You guys are making me homesick for Boston. I had the privilege of working<br />
> as lead developer for two seasons of the 90s Zoom's web site. Remember<br />
> "send it to Zoom"? CamelBones was intended to replace the FileMaker and<br />
> MacPerl scripts that were used to manage the thousands of submissions a<br />
> week, and beat them into static HTML pages for publication on the web site.<br />
> <br />
> Sadly, by the time I got enough round tuits to actually write CamelBones,<br />
> I had already moved on and no longer worked at WGBH. I still give 'em<br />
> credit for inspiring the project though.<br />
<br />
WGBH deserves a lifetime of kudos. For a time WGBH WAS PBS. they <br />
produced the vast majority of network content back then. Yes, kudos to <br />
WGBH for anything they did, even the questionable. If not for them <br />
there might not be any Public Broadcasting today.<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Ed Mullen<br />
http://edmullen.net<br />
http://mozilla.edmullen.net<br />
http://abington.edmullen.net<br />
If it ain't broke fix it anyway! If it's broke fix it and make it worse!</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 05:39:30 von dorayme</span>
<p>In article <BKGdnW1uTY8MutPanZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@comcast.com>,<br />
Ed Mullen <ed@edmullen.net> wrote:<br />
<br />
> dorayme wrote:<br />
> > In article <Is2dnZugtYxXhtPanZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@comcast.com>,<br />
> > Ed Mullen <ed@edmullen.net> wrote:<br />
> > <br />
> >> Oh well, now we've totally bored everyone to tears. But, thanks for the <br />
> >> fun trip down memory lane!<br />
> > <br />
> > Not me, Ed. I read every word with interest.<br />
> > <br />
> <br />
> Thank you! I do love remembering. But I am cognizant of how boring it <br />
> may be for those outside of the experience. <br />
<br />
A true bore is one not so cognisant (like me, I never stop to <br />
consider. I will go to any lengths to make someone listen. I have <br />
handcuffs and other equipment to help sometimes)<br />
<br />
<br />
> On the other hand, I love <br />
> hearing myself talk. <br />
<br />
That's funny, I have a totally intuitive understanding of what <br />
you mean here...<br />
<br />
-- <br />
dorayme</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 09:22:22 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Ed Mullen wrote:<br />
<br />
> Yes, I was having a great time back then. Poor. But having fun! <br />
> Sports remotes freelancing for ABC and independents. Hanging out the <br />
> door of a remote truck wearing three headsets and a telephone and <br />
> yelling at AT&T Network Ops, the two Bell NY guys lying under the truck, <br />
> being yelled at by the producer when we were 20 minutes to air time for <br />
> the Army Notre Dame game and we lost the feed to the network. And <br />
> watching Paul Hornung in the booth upstairs over the monitors slamming <br />
> down vodkas. Oh, and it was the weekend that the Watergate scandal <br />
> broke and people started resigning from the Nixon admin. And the <br />
> production company didn't guarantee our hotel reservations so we had no <br />
> place to sleep. Yep, we were having just a fabulous time that weekend! <br />
> But, now that I think about it, it was fun! :-)<br />
<br />
Those were the days -- because we were young and bulletproof and excited<br />
by the things we were part of. Two other highs for me were moving to<br />
Hollywood, and a few years later doing the Olympics.<br />
<br />
> BTW, oddly enough, I drove a cab for a living for about a year back <br />
> then. One of the strangest things I've ever done. I felt like an <br />
> unlicensed psychotherapist or a bartender, never sure which. People <br />
> just started talking and told me all sorts of things about themselves. <br />
> Geez. And this was before the phrase "Too Much Information!" became <br />
> popular.<br />
<br />
But "too much alcohol" was, as always, popular. :)<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 09:25:46 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Sherman Pendley wrote:<br />
> Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> writes:<br />
<br />
>> Come on and zoom zoom zoom-a zoom.<br />
><br />
> You guys are making me homesick for Boston. I had the privilege of<br />
> working as lead developer for two seasons of the 90s Zoom's web site.<br />
> Remember<br />
<br />
Nineties? Web site?<br />
<br />
You kids! ;) :)<br />
<br />
> "send it to Zoom"? CamelBones was intended to replace the FileMaker<br />
> and MacPerl scripts that were used to manage the thousands of<br />
> submissions a week, and beat them into static HTML pages for<br />
> publication on the web site.<br />
><br />
> Sadly, by the time I got enough round tuits to actually write<br />
> CamelBones, I had already moved on and no longer worked at WGBH. I<br />
> still give 'em credit for inspiring the project though.<br />
<br />
You don't know how many of us doing PBS out in the flyover zone envied<br />
you guys at WGBH and KQED and WNET such. :)<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 09:26:23 von Blinky the Shark</span>
<p>Ed Mullen wrote:<br />
> Sherman Pendley wrote:<br />
>> Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> writes:<br />
>> <br />
>>> And the ever popular...<br />
>>><br />
>>> Come on and zoom zoom zoom-a zoom.<br />
>> <br />
>> You guys are making me homesick for Boston. I had the privilege of working<br />
>> as lead developer for two seasons of the 90s Zoom's web site. Remember<br />
>> "send it to Zoom"? CamelBones was intended to replace the FileMaker and<br />
>> MacPerl scripts that were used to manage the thousands of submissions a<br />
>> week, and beat them into static HTML pages for publication on the web site.<br />
>> <br />
>> Sadly, by the time I got enough round tuits to actually write CamelBones,<br />
>> I had already moved on and no longer worked at WGBH. I still give 'em<br />
>> credit for inspiring the project though.<br />
><br />
> WGBH deserves a lifetime of kudos. For a time WGBH WAS PBS. they <br />
> produced the vast majority of network content back then. Yes, kudos to <br />
> WGBH for anything they did, even the questionable. If not for them <br />
> there might not be any Public Broadcasting today.<br />
<br />
Fershure!<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Blinky<br />
Killing all posts from Google Groups<br />
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 17:59:18 von SpaceGirl</span>
<p>On Nov 23, 3:28 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centralva.net><br />
wrote:<br />
<br />
> Been told that more than a year ago. Also your proficient in flash, a<br />
> similar progressive loading of sections could be done in flash, right?<br />
<br />
I'd probably be more tempted to do it in Flash, yes. The site is quite<br />
a neat idea, and Flash would really lend itself to something that<br />
visual. It would be heck of a lot easier to build, and as you say,<br />
progressive loading would be a walk in the park.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 18:51:33 von lws4art</span>
<p>SpaceGirl wrote:<br />
> On Nov 23, 3:28 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centralva.net><br />
> wrote:<br />
> <br />
>> Been told that more than a year ago. Also your proficient in flash, a<br />
>> similar progressive loading of sections could be done in flash, right?<br />
> <br />
> I'd probably be more tempted to do it in Flash, yes. The site is quite<br />
> a neat idea, and Flash would really lend itself to something that<br />
> visual. It would be heck of a lot easier to build, and as you say,<br />
> progressive loading would be a walk in the park.<br />
<br />
Don't worry though the OP would never consider such a rational idea. It <br />
does not 'fit' within his preconceived deployment, flawed as it may be!<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Take care,<br />
<br />
Jonathan<br />
-------------------<br />
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO<br />
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 18:57:21 von Good Man</span>
<p>"Mika" <anon@anon.com> wrote in<br />
news:p4l%i.48642$c_1.38326@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk: <br />
<br />
> Hello, we understand you guys may be able to help.<br />
> <br />
> We have a page which has been working great for over a year and gets<br />
> many hits. However recently something got changed that we cannot seem<br />
> to find, and now *sometimes* if you refresh the page (generally while<br />
> it is still loading) in IE7, we get the popup window error:<br />
> <br />
> Internet Explorer cannot open the Internet site...<br />
> Operation aborted<br />
> <br />
> Here is an example of the page in question:<br />
> http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr [broadband recommended]<br />
> <br />
> We appreciate you may have other comments on the site such as the size<br />
> of the pages, however we are not looking to change that at present,<br />
> with faster broadband becoming more abundant. Search engine listings<br />
> alert the user that broadband is recommended for this technology.<br />
> <br />
> As we said, the site worked great, but for this unknown reason now<br />
> needs some sort of a tweak to fix. The changes we made before it<br />
> happened were related to the body tag but they have been completely<br />
> undone yet the issue remains :-S<br />
> <br />
> Thanks in advance to anyone able to find the cure for us to test.<br />
> <br />
> Regards,<br />
> Mika @ SHS.com <br />
<br />
Thanks for causing my Firefox to crash.</p>
</article>
<article>
<h2>Re: IE cannot open the Internet site ... Operation aborted</h2><span>am 29.11.2007 20:56:47 von Todd_Calhoun</span>
<p>"Good Man" <heyho@letsgo.com> wrote in message <br />
news:Xns99F783CD5EA0sonicyouth@216.196.97.131...<br />
> "Mika" <anon@anon.com> wrote in<br />
> news:p4l%i.48642$c_1.38326@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk:<br />
><br />
>> Hello, we understand you guys may be able to help.<br />
>><br />
>> We have a page which has been working great for over a year and gets<br />
>> many hits. However recently something got changed that we cannot seem<br />
>> to find, and now *sometimes* if you refresh the page (generally while<br />
>> it is still loading) in IE7, we get the popup window error:<br />
>><br />
>> Internet Explorer cannot open the Internet site...<br />
>> Operation aborted<br />
>><br />
>> Here is an example of the page in question:<br />
>> http://tinyurl.com/35mwxr [broadband recommended]<br />
>><br />
>> We appreciate you may have other comments on the site such as the size<br />
>> of the pages, however we are not looking to change that at present,<br />
>> with faster broadband becoming more abundant. Search engine listings<br />
>> alert the user that broadband is recommended for this technology.<br />
>><br />
>> As we said, the site worked great, but for this unknown reason now<br />
>> needs some sort of a tweak to fix. The changes we made before it<br />
>> happened were related to the body tag but they have been completely<br />
>> undone yet the issue remains :-S<br />
>><br />
>> Thanks in advance to anyone able to find the cure for us to test.<br />
>><br />
>> Regards,<br />
>> Mika @ SHS.com<br />
><br />
> Thanks for causing my Firefox to crash.<br />
<br />
You're welcome.<br />
<br />
If you are capable of giving any more constructive comment than that which <br />
gives us a shred of a clue of the circumstances, that might actually be <br />
considered useful.</p>
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