Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 00:01:17 von bob_jeffcoat
On 26 Nov, 21:00, Martin Jay wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:58:03 -0800 (PST), bob_jeffc...@hotmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >I want to nest a table in another table in a way that makes it appear
> >that there is only one table. This is because the program I have
> >written joins tables together and it looks best if there appears to be
> >only one table and it avoids the problems of column spanning. I can
> >use this in the nested table in Firefox:
>
> >
>
> >and it appears in the outer table just like some extra rows. But in
> >IE 7 it doesn't work as it appears with a border around the nested
> >table. It is driving me mad. Here is my entire HTML:
>
> Does changing this:
>
>
>
> to:
>
>
>
> give you the effect you want?
> --
> Martin Jay
Hi Martin,
thanks for the reply.
It nearly works, but you can still see it's a different table. I want
to be able to stick tables together and make it look as if it's one
table. Maybe it's jsut because IE is a bit kronky...
Thanks anyway,
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 00:11:15 von Harlan Messinger
bob_jeffcoat@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I want to nest a table in another table in a way that makes it appear
> that there is only one table. This is because the program I have
> written joins tables together and it looks best if there appears to be
> only one table and it avoids the problems of column spanning. I can
> use this in the nested table in Firefox:
>
>
That semicolon after the first "2" isn't going to work.
>
> and it appears in the outer table just like some extra rows. But in
> IE 7 it doesn't work as it appears with a border around the nested
> table. It is driving me mad. Here is my entire HTML:
Do you think the "border=2" might be causing a border to appear? Just a
hunch.
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 00:37:26 von dorayme
In article <5r126cF12na2iU5@mid.individual.net>,
Harlan Messinger wrote:
> bob_jeffcoat@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I want to nest a table in another table in a way that makes it appear
> > that there is only one table. This is because the program I have
> > written joins tables together and it looks best if there appears to be
> > only one table and it avoids the problems of column spanning. I can
> > use this in the nested table in Firefox:
> >
> >
>
> That semicolon after the first "2" isn't going to work.
> >
> > and it appears in the outer table just like some extra rows. But in
> > IE 7 it doesn't work as it appears with a border around the nested
> > table. It is driving me mad. Here is my entire HTML:
>
> Do you think the "border=2" might be causing a border to appear? Just a
> hunch.
In any case, op should put the border instruction into the css,
since he has gone to the trouble of having some inline css. Is it
clear to anyone why *exactly* op wants a table within a table?
--
dorayme
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 00:53:11 von bob_jeffcoat
On 26 Nov, 23:37, dorayme wrote:
> In article <5r126cF12na2...@mid.individual.net>,
> Harlan Messinger wrote:
>
>
>
> > bob_jeffc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Hello,
>
> > > I want to nest a table in another table in a way that makes it appear
> > > that there is only one table. This is because the program I have
> > > written joins tables together and it looks best if there appears to be
> > > only one table and it avoids the problems of column spanning. I can
> > > use this in the nested table in Firefox:
>
> > >
>
> > That semicolon after the first "2" isn't going to work.
>
> > > and it appears in the outer table just like some extra rows. But in
> > > IE 7 it doesn't work as it appears with a border around the nested
> > > table. It is driving me mad. Here is my entire HTML:
>
> > Do you think the "border=2" might be causing a border to appear? Just a
> > hunch.
>
> In any case, op should put the border instruction into the css,
> since he has gone to the trouble of having some inline css. Is it
> clear to anyone why *exactly* op wants a table within a table?
>
> --
> dorayme
RIGHT, I thought it was only a matter of time before I got this kind
of 'help'.
My program generates a number tables for reporting certain things,
these tables have varying number of columns and sometimes I prefer to
join then together as it looks nicer. I have tried screwing around
with the column span on the cells to make all the tables equal width
but it never looks very good. My program uses an embeded webbrowser
which seems to insist on being IE so I really need IE to do it.
Now then, removing the Border = 2 isn't great as it then removes the
border on the inside of the table. I want my nested table to look
like the containing table so I want it to have borders on the inside
between it's rows.
Tell me the answer
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 00:56:22 von bob_jeffcoat
On 26 Nov, 23:53, bob_jeffc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On 26 Nov, 23:37, dorayme wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <5r126cF12na2...@mid.individual.net>,
> > Harlan Messinger wrote:
>
> > > bob_jeffc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > Hello,
>
> > > > I want to nest a table in another table in a way that makes it appear
> > > > that there is only one table. This is because the program I have
> > > > written joins tables together and it looks best if there appears to be
> > > > only one table and it avoids the problems of column spanning. I can
> > > > use this in the nested table in Firefox:
>
> > > >
>
> > > That semicolon after the first "2" isn't going to work.
>
> > > > and it appears in the outer table just like some extra rows. But in
> > > > IE 7 it doesn't work as it appears with a border around the nested
> > > > table. It is driving me mad. Here is my entire HTML:
>
> > > Do you think the "border=2" might be causing a border to appear? Just a
> > > hunch.
>
> > In any case, op should put the border instruction into the css,
> > since he has gone to the trouble of having some inline css. Is it
> > clear to anyone why *exactly* op wants a table within a table?
>
> > --
> > dorayme
>
> RIGHT, I thought it was only a matter of time before I got this kind
> of 'help'.
> My program generates a number tables for reporting certain things,
> these tables have varying number of columns and sometimes I prefer to
> join then together as it looks nicer. I have tried screwing around
> with the column span on the cells to make all the tables equal width
> but it never looks very good. My program uses an embeded webbrowser
> which seems to insist on being IE so I really need IE to do it.
>
> Now then, removing the Border = 2 isn't great as it then removes the
> border on the inside of the table. I want my nested table to look
> like the containing table so I want it to have borders on the inside
> between it's rows.
>
> Tell me the answer
Oh, and another thing. I'm happy to use a css but it seems somewhat
irrelevant as stupid IE can't draw it right anyway...
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 01:41:50 von rf
wrote in message
news:f35e77bf-4243-4351-b7b5-437d47f5a344@g21g2000hsh.google groups.com...
> On 26 Nov, 23:37, dorayme wrote:
> RIGHT, I thought it was only a matter of time before I got this kind
> of 'help'.
Without any idea of exactly what you want it is hard to guess what you need.
Perhaps a drawing of what you want might help. Do it manually with a pencil
and a peice of paper, scan it and post it on a web site somewhere.
That notwithstanding:
Ignore the border attribute, use CSS entirely.
Go over to the specs at
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/tables.html#propdef-border-spacin g and have a
read.
You will see you have three properties to play with: border, padding and
border-spacing. Only those three. Juggle them on the two tables as best you
can. There is quite a good diagram of what goes where in the spec.
However if what you want is what I think you want then it can't be done, or
at least I could not do it in the five minutes I have allocated to you. One
can never remove the border-spacing around the group of cells in that inner
table. Here is my best effort:
http://barefile.com.au/t.html
Play with it at your leisure.
> Tell me the answer
Would you like fries with that sir?
--
Richard.
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 02:01:57 von dorayme
In article ,
"rf" wrote:
> > Tell me the answer
>
> Would you like fries with that sir?
http://tinyurl.com/27tbnt
--
dorayme
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 02:20:08 von rf
"dorayme" wrote in message
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> In article ,
> "rf" wrote:
>
>> > Tell me the answer
>>
>> Would you like fries with that sir?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/27tbnt
Ah, a redirect to file:/Users/tedkroiter/Sites/droovies/fries.html (at least
that's what Opera says[1]) - that'll be usefull :-)
[1] IE 6 and 7 say 404. Safari says don't have permission. Firefox does
nothing at all. Interesting.
--
Richard.
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 02:36:44 von dorayme
In article ,
"rf" wrote:
> "dorayme" wrote in message
> news:doraymeRidThis-1D00ED.12015727112007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
> > In article ,
> > "rf" wrote:
> >
> >> > Tell me the answer
> >>
> >> Would you like fries with that sir?
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/27tbnt
>
> Ah, a redirect to file:/Users/tedkroiter/Sites/droovies/fries.html (at least
> that's what Opera says[1]) - that'll be usefull :-)
>
> [1] IE 6 and 7 say 404. Safari says don't have permission. Firefox does
> nothing at all. Interesting.
I trust you did not get my follow up before you sent the above, I
noticed the problem...
--
dorayme
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 03:13:52 von rf
"dorayme" wrote in message
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> In article ,
> "rf" wrote:
>
>> "dorayme" wrote in message
>> > http://tinyurl.com/27tbnt
>>
>> Ah, a redirect to file:/Users/tedkroiter/Sites/droovies/fries.html (at
>> least
>> that's what Opera says[1]) - that'll be usefull :-)
> I trust you did not get my follow up before you sent the above,
Nope. Still haven't.
Settled for a prawn roll and a jam donut with cream instead. Yumm.
--
Richard.
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 03:48:07 von dorayme
In article ,
"rf" wrote:
> "dorayme" wrote in message
> news:doraymeRidThis-833961.12364427112007@news-vip.optusnet. com.au...
> > In article ,
> > "rf" wrote:
> >
> >> "dorayme" wrote in message
>
> >> > http://tinyurl.com/27tbnt
> >>
> >> Ah, a redirect to file:/Users/tedkroiter/Sites/droovies/fries.html (at
> >> least
> >> that's what Opera says[1]) - that'll be usefull :-)
>
> > I trust you did not get my follow up before you sent the above,
>
> Nope. Still haven't.
>
> Settled for a prawn roll and a jam donut with cream instead. Yumm.
I sent the additional urls with choices before I sent a reply to
you. Just for you, here is yet another url, directly to the film:
http://members.optushome.com.au/droovies/films/fries.wmv
Or you can download the link via
http://members.optushome.com.au/droovies/fries.html
(That way we could have a little argument discussion about me the
reasonableness of putting a link in a heading. I have an essay
prepared trying to justify it and no, it has nothing to do
whatsoever with making it big...)
Prawn roll and jam and cream... How come you have not got a
cholesterol problem like the rest of us mugs?
--
dorayme
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 06:03:02 von Harlan Messinger
bob_jeffcoat@hotmail.com wrote:
> On 26 Nov, 23:37, dorayme wrote:
>> In article <5r126cF12na2...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Harlan Messinger wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> bob_jeffc...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I want to nest a table in another table in a way that makes it appear
>>>> that there is only one table. This is because the program I have
>>>> written joins tables together and it looks best if there appears to be
>>>> only one table and it avoids the problems of column spanning. I can
>>>> use this in the nested table in Firefox:
>>>>
>>> That semicolon after the first "2" isn't going to work.
>>>> and it appears in the outer table just like some extra rows. But in
>>>> IE 7 it doesn't work as it appears with a border around the nested
>>>> table. It is driving me mad. Here is my entire HTML:
>>> Do you think the "border=2" might be causing a border to appear? Just a
>>> hunch.
>> In any case, op should put the border instruction into the css,
>> since he has gone to the trouble of having some inline css. Is it
>> clear to anyone why *exactly* op wants a table within a table?
>>
>> --
>> dorayme
>
> RIGHT, I thought it was only a matter of time before I got this kind
> of 'help'.
> My program generates a number tables for reporting certain things,
> these tables have varying number of columns and sometimes I prefer to
> join then together as it looks nicer. I have tried screwing around
> with the column span on the cells to make all the tables equal width
> but it never looks very good. My program uses an embeded webbrowser
> which seems to insist on being IE so I really need IE to do it.
>
> Now then, removing the Border = 2 isn't great as it then removes the
> border on the inside of the table. I want my nested table to look
> like the containing table so I want it to have borders on the inside
> between it's rows.
>
> Tell me the answer
For your information, I had written an answer above but, once I saw
these last four words, and took into additional consideration your sneer
at dorayme's 'help' above, I deleted it. Who do you think you are?
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 06:08:35 von Harlan Messinger
bob_jeffcoat@hotmail.com wrote:
> Oh, and another thing. I'm happy to use a css but it seems somewhat
> irrelevant as stupid IE can't draw it right anyway...
That's funny. I've been using CSS with IE for years.
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 06:24:55 von Ed Mullen
bob_jeffcoat@hotmail.com wrote:
> Oh, and another thing. I'm happy to use a css but it seems somewhat
> irrelevant as stupid IE can't draw it right anyway...
Huh? No thing is perfect and IE is a good example. Still, it does not
get /everything/ wrong. And there are perfectly acceptable methods to
account for the differences. So, if I understand your comment, you've
abandoned using CSS because you either don't understand how to deal with
CSS and IE or you're just not willing to make the effort?
Seems a tad short-sighted to me. But, hey, whatever knocks your socks off.
--
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http://edmullen.net
http://mozilla.edmullen.net
http://abington.edmullen.net
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Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 07:11:55 von Blinky the Shark
Harlan Messinger wrote:
> bob_jeffcoat@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On 26 Nov, 23:37, dorayme wrote:
>>> --
>>> dorayme
>>
>> RIGHT, I thought it was only a matter of time before I got this kind
>> of 'help'.
>> Tell me the answer
>
> For your information, I had written an answer above but, once I saw
> these last four words, and took into additional consideration your sneer
> at dorayme's 'help' above, I deleted it. Who do you think you are?
Just another Google Grouper.
--
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Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 10:42:59 von bob_jeffcoat
On 27 Nov, 06:11, Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Harlan Messinger wrote:
> > bob_jeffc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On 26 Nov, 23:37, dorayme wrote:
> >>> --
> >>> dorayme
>
> >> RIGHT, I thought it was only a matter of time before I got this kind
> >> of 'help'.
>
>
>
> >> Tell me the answer
>
> > For your information, I had written an answer above but, once I saw
> > these last four words, and took into additional consideration your sneer
> > at dorayme's 'help' above, I deleted it. Who do you think you are?
>
> Just another Google Grouper.
>
> --
> Blinky
> Killing all posts from Google Groups
> The Usenet Improvement Project -http://improve-usenet.org
yo,
I think I'm someone who it is very important that you help, thank you
very much.
Now, about that answer, it isn't that I've given up on css it's just
that I thought you could achive everything with inline css. Once I've
got that working I'll stick it in a css, it seems simpler to mess
about with inline css.
Unfortunately I think the answer is that firefox just happens to draw
it as I want and IE doesn't and that is that.
Thanks for your help
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 27.11.2007 15:17:22 von lws4art
bob_jeffcoat@hotmail.com wrote:
> On 27 Nov, 06:11, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Harlan Messinger wrote:
>>> bob_jeffc...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On 26 Nov, 23:37, dorayme wrote:
>>>>> --
>>>>> dorayme
>>>> RIGHT, I thought it was only a matter of time before I got this kind
>>>> of 'help'.
>>
>>
>>>> Tell me the answer
>>> For your information, I had written an answer above but, once I saw
>>> these last four words, and took into additional consideration your sneer
>>> at dorayme's 'help' above, I deleted it. Who do you think you are?
>> Just another Google Grouper.
>>
>> --
>> Blinky
>> Killing all posts from Google Groups
>> The Usenet Improvement Project -http://improve-usenet.org
>
> yo,
> I think I'm someone who it is very important that you help, thank you
> very much.
Well actually...no. Why? None of us work for you. We are not obligated
to help you and this is not a help desk.
>
> Now, about that answer, it isn't that I've given up on css it's just
> that I thought you could achive everything with inline css. Once I've
> got that working I'll stick it in a css, it seems simpler to mess
> about with inline css.
>
> Unfortunately I think the answer is that firefox just happens to draw
> it as I want and IE doesn't and that is that.
No mostly you haven't a clue about what you are doing and it quite
evident in your markup. BTW it is possible, here with your markup
cleaned up a bit.
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
Possible
| Design Datum |
|---|
| Position |
|---|
| X Axis | (1, 0, 0) |
| Translation (mm) | (0, 0, 0) |
|
I'll send you my bill, and your address is?
--
Take care,
Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
Re: Nest table in table invisibly
am 28.11.2007 07:53:05 von Herbert Blenner
On Nov 26, 2:58 pm, bob_jeffc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I want to nest a table in another table in a way that makes it appear
> that there is only one table. This is because the program I have
> written joins tables together and it looks best if there appears to be
> only one table and it avoids the problems of column spanning. I can
> use this in the nested table in Firefox:
>
>
>
> and it appears in the outer table just like some extra rows. But in
> IE 7 it doesn't work as it appears with a border around the nested
> table. It is driving me mad. Here is my entire HTML:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Design Datum |
|---|
>
>
> | Position |
|---|
> | X Axis | (1, 0, 0) |
> | Translation (mm) | (0, 0, 0) |
> |
>
>
>
>
>
> Can anyone help me?
>
> Thanks,
I have observed that IE 6.0 gives results that differ from Firefox
2.0, Netscape 9.0 and Opera 9.23. My efforts to tame IE 6 have failed.
So I decided to cheat by making the colors of the unwanted borders the
same as my white background. This fix produces the same appearance in
my four browsers.
Design Datum |
|---|
Position |
|---|
X Axis |
(1, 0, 0) |
Translation (mm) |
(0, 0, 0) |
|
Regards,
Herbert