HTML portion

am 02.12.2007 13:49:15 von chilly8

How to I change the HTML portiion of a PHP script? I want to modify
the HTML portion of phpBB, and the code in there to have StatCounter
record hits to that part of my web site. I already have the main web
site logged with StatCounter, but I would like to be able to modify
the HTML portion of PHP scripts for WikiMedia and phpBB, so
I can have those logged by phpBB as well

I can see the HTML portion when I ask for the source in my
browser, but I cannot find the place in any of the PHP scripts
to change the HTML portion of the code

Re: HTML portion

am 02.12.2007 14:23:21 von Jerry Stuckle

Chilly8 wrote:
> How to I change the HTML portiion of a PHP script? I want to modify
> the HTML portion of phpBB, and the code in there to have StatCounter
> record hits to that part of my web site. I already have the main web
> site logged with StatCounter, but I would like to be able to modify
> the HTML portion of PHP scripts for WikiMedia and phpBB, so
> I can have those logged by phpBB as well
>
> I can see the HTML portion when I ask for the source in my
> browser, but I cannot find the place in any of the PHP scripts
> to change the HTML portion of the code
>
>

You need to ask in the PhpBB support forums, not here. It's more
complicated than just changing text files.

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Re: HTML portion

am 02.12.2007 14:23:21 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: HTML portion

am 02.12.2007 14:48:08 von chilly8

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
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> Chilly8 wrote:
>> How to I change the HTML portiion of a PHP script? I want to modify
>> the HTML portion of phpBB, and the code in there to have StatCounter
>> record hits to that part of my web site. I already have the main web
>> site logged with StatCounter, but I would like to be able to modify
>> the HTML portion of PHP scripts for WikiMedia and phpBB, so
>> I can have those logged by phpBB as well
>>
>> I can see the HTML portion when I ask for the source in my
>> browser, but I cannot find the place in any of the PHP scripts
>> to change the HTML portion of the code
>>
>>
>
> You need to ask in the PhpBB support forums, not here. It's more
> complicated than just changing text files.

I have figured out one way to do it, which works with ANY
PHP page. Just load it into your browser, select the option
for viewing the source, and then save that as an index.htm or
index.html page, then have the web crawlers crawl that
instead of the php file. I have so far gotten this to work with
my phpBB and Wiki pages, then just change the redirects
on my domain to take users to the HTML-translated
version of the page. Then you can put in things like
Statcounter, or banner ads into WikiMedia, PhpBB,
VBulletin, or anything else. Now, you will need to have
the original php version, so that users can login. If the
index.php file has been erased or renamed, a user will
not be able to log on, but if anyone else asks about this,
that is how you do it. Log off and delete all cookies. Go
back to the main page, open the source in your browser,
and then save the HTML-translated page, then submit
the HTML version of hte page to Google and Yahoo
so that users get directed to that, instead of the PHP
version of the page.

Re: HTML portion

am 02.12.2007 14:48:08 von chilly8

Re: HTML portion

am 02.12.2007 20:28:08 von Jerry Stuckle

Chilly8 wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> news:xLadnT6enbhCLM_anZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>> How to I change the HTML portiion of a PHP script? I want to modify
>>> the HTML portion of phpBB, and the code in there to have StatCounter
>>> record hits to that part of my web site. I already have the main web
>>> site logged with StatCounter, but I would like to be able to modify
>>> the HTML portion of PHP scripts for WikiMedia and phpBB, so
>>> I can have those logged by phpBB as well
>>>
>>> I can see the HTML portion when I ask for the source in my
>>> browser, but I cannot find the place in any of the PHP scripts
>>> to change the HTML portion of the code
>>>
>>>
>> You need to ask in the PhpBB support forums, not here. It's more
>> complicated than just changing text files.
>
> I have figured out one way to do it, which works with ANY
> PHP page. Just load it into your browser, select the option
> for viewing the source, and then save that as an index.htm or
> index.html page, then have the web crawlers crawl that
> instead of the php file. I have so far gotten this to work with
> my phpBB and Wiki pages, then just change the redirects
> on my domain to take users to the HTML-translated
> version of the page. Then you can put in things like
> Statcounter, or banner ads into WikiMedia, PhpBB,
> VBulletin, or anything else. Now, you will need to have
> the original php version, so that users can login. If the
> index.php file has been erased or renamed, a user will
> not be able to log on, but if anyone else asks about this,
> that is how you do it. Log off and delete all cookies. Go
> back to the main page, open the source in your browser,
> and then save the HTML-translated page, then submit
> the HTML version of hte page to Google and Yahoo
> so that users get directed to that, instead of the PHP
> version of the page.
>
>

And pretty soon you'll figure out why that doesn't work.

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Re: HTML portion

am 02.12.2007 20:28:08 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 03:53:56 von Macca

As jerry says, this wont work. You need to route through the html
templates and find the correct one and alter that.

Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 07:45:12 von unknown

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am 03.12.2007 07:45:12 von unknown

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Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 10:33:38 von chilly8

"macca" wrote in message
news:43581906-f00a-44c8-adce-819910748c37@r60g2000hsc.google groups.com...
> As jerry says, this wont work. You need to route through the html
> templates and find the correct one and alter that.

PHP for Windows has no seperate HTML template, I looked. And
there are none in phpBB or WikiMedia

Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 10:33:38 von chilly8

Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 11:00:20 von luiheidsgoeroe

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:33:38 +0100, Chilly8 wrote:=

> "macca" wrote in message
> news:43581906-f00a-44c8-adce-819910748c37@r60g2000hsc.google groups.com=
....
>> As jerry says, this wont work. You need to route through the html
>> templates and find the correct one and alter that.
>
>
> PHP for Windows has no seperate HTML template, I looked. And
> there are none in phpBB or WikiMedia

http://www.phpbb.com/ =3D> ask the community about templates. There are =
=

plenty of templates, and the location in the source tree is quite clear.=

-- =

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Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 12:28:42 von Macca

> PHP for Windows has no seperate HTML template, I looked. And
> there are none in phpBB or WikiMedia

Not php's templates, theres no such thing. Your applications HTML
templates.

Look again. I have used phpBB myself

if I remember correctly the templates are in something like phpBB2-
>templates and the default is SuubSilver, so, if i wanted to add some
HTML to the index page i would edit phpBB2->templates->SubSilver-
>index_body.tpl or something

Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 13:27:03 von chilly8

"macca" wrote in message
news:c3c8ebf6-8ed1-4ef2-89f4-a2efabcfa5dd@y43g2000hsy.google groups.com...
>
>> PHP for Windows has no seperate HTML template, I looked. And
>> there are none in phpBB or WikiMedia
>
> Not php's templates, theres no such thing. Your applications HTML
> templates.
>
> Look again. I have used phpBB myself
>
> if I remember correctly the templates are in something like phpBB2-
>>templates and the default is SuubSilver, so, if i wanted to add some
> HTML to the index page i would edit phpBB2->templates->SubSilver-
>>index_body.tpl or something

There is an index.htm there all right, but if you edit that file, phpBB will
just ignore the edits. For some reason, the changes I make to the index.htm
file in that directory are being ignored. I even tried rebooting the
computer,
to restart everything, no dice, so using to HTML-translated version of the
page appears to be the only thing that is going to work. I absoluitely
must find out where the assholes that are creating accounts and posting
porn links are coming from. I can edit the profiles to remove the porn
links,
and ban the users, but they keep coming back. All the firewall logs will
tell me is that there were hits to port 80, they won't tell me which part of
my site was accessed, while StatCounter can.

Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 13:27:03 von chilly8

Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 13:34:05 von Jerry Stuckle

Chilly8 wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> news:UaGdnUzHPKXDms7anZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>> news:xLadnT6enbhCLM_anZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>> How to I change the HTML portiion of a PHP script? I want to modify
>>>>> the HTML portion of phpBB, and the code in there to have StatCounter
>>>>> record hits to that part of my web site. I already have the main web
>>>>> site logged with StatCounter, but I would like to be able to modify
>>>>> the HTML portion of PHP scripts for WikiMedia and phpBB, so
>>>>> I can have those logged by phpBB as well
>>>>>
>>>>> I can see the HTML portion when I ask for the source in my
>>>>> browser, but I cannot find the place in any of the PHP scripts
>>>>> to change the HTML portion of the code
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You need to ask in the PhpBB support forums, not here. It's more
>>>> complicated than just changing text files.
>>> I have figured out one way to do it, which works with ANY
>>> PHP page. Just load it into your browser, select the option
>>> for viewing the source, and then save that as an index.htm or
>>> index.html page, then have the web crawlers crawl that
>>> instead of the php file. I have so far gotten this to work with
>>> my phpBB and Wiki pages, then just change the redirects
>>> on my domain to take users to the HTML-translated
>>> version of the page. Then you can put in things like
>>> Statcounter, or banner ads into WikiMedia, PhpBB,
>>> VBulletin, or anything else. Now, you will need to have
>>> the original php version, so that users can login. If the
>>> index.php file has been erased or renamed, a user will
>>> not be able to log on, but if anyone else asks about this,
>>> that is how you do it. Log off and delete all cookies. Go
>>> back to the main page, open the source in your browser,
>>> and then save the HTML-translated page, then submit
>>> the HTML version of hte page to Google and Yahoo
>>> so that users get directed to that, instead of the PHP
>>> version of the page.
>>>
>>>
>> And pretty soon you'll figure out why that doesn't work.
>
> Its so far worked for me. Just have the original PHP version
> of the page, so that users can log in, if logins are required.
>

Keep it up. You'll find why it doesn't work. Then you can come back
here and look at the advice given you in this thread.

> I am having problems with people registering usernames,
> putting porn links in their profiles, and the dissappearing
> and never coming back. phpBB does not have logging
> capabilities, and I need to know where these users are
> coming from, so I can block them. Firewall logs only
> say there was a hit to port 80, and do not say which
> parts of my web site were accessed. By directing users
> to the HTML translated-page, I can log it on StatCounter,
> and find out where these people are coming from and
> block them, just as soon as the Yahoo and Google
> web crawlers update their links so that users start
> coming through the HTML-translated page instead
> of the php page.
>
>
>

Which will do you little good. Most come through anonymous proxies or
compromised machines.

And get yourself a real log analyzer. It will give you all the
information without adding code to your pages.

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Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 13:34:05 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 18:32:00 von chilly8

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
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> Chilly8 wrote:
>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>> news:UaGdnUzHPKXDms7anZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>> news:xLadnT6enbhCLM_anZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>> How to I change the HTML portiion of a PHP script? I want to modify
>>>>>> the HTML portion of phpBB, and the code in there to have StatCounter
>>>>>> record hits to that part of my web site. I already have the main web
>>>>>> site logged with StatCounter, but I would like to be able to modify
>>>>>> the HTML portion of PHP scripts for WikiMedia and phpBB, so
>>>>>> I can have those logged by phpBB as well
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can see the HTML portion when I ask for the source in my
>>>>>> browser, but I cannot find the place in any of the PHP scripts
>>>>>> to change the HTML portion of the code
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> You need to ask in the PhpBB support forums, not here. It's more
>>>>> complicated than just changing text files.
>>>> I have figured out one way to do it, which works with ANY
>>>> PHP page. Just load it into your browser, select the option
>>>> for viewing the source, and then save that as an index.htm or
>>>> index.html page, then have the web crawlers crawl that
>>>> instead of the php file. I have so far gotten this to work with
>>>> my phpBB and Wiki pages, then just change the redirects
>>>> on my domain to take users to the HTML-translated
>>>> version of the page. Then you can put in things like
>>>> Statcounter, or banner ads into WikiMedia, PhpBB,
>>>> VBulletin, or anything else. Now, you will need to have
>>>> the original php version, so that users can login. If the
>>>> index.php file has been erased or renamed, a user will
>>>> not be able to log on, but if anyone else asks about this,
>>>> that is how you do it. Log off and delete all cookies. Go
>>>> back to the main page, open the source in your browser,
>>>> and then save the HTML-translated page, then submit
>>>> the HTML version of hte page to Google and Yahoo
>>>> so that users get directed to that, instead of the PHP
>>>> version of the page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> And pretty soon you'll figure out why that doesn't work.
>>
>> Its so far worked for me. Just have the original PHP version
>> of the page, so that users can log in, if logins are required.
>>
>
> Keep it up. You'll find why it doesn't work. Then you can come back here
> and look at the advice given you in this thread.

Its already bearing fruit. I have found two networks, one in Germany
and one in Ukraine, where a lot of the porn links are coming from, and
have already blocked them at the firewall level, so I won't see any more
from those networks. Statcounter is already revealing to me where these
assholes are coming from.

Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 18:32:00 von chilly8

Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 21:10:43 von Jerry Stuckle

Chilly8 wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> news:UOudnTaYbL9Oas7anZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>
>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>> news:UaGdnUzHPKXDms7anZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>> news:xLadnT6enbhCLM_anZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>> How to I change the HTML portiion of a PHP script? I want to modify
>>>>>>> the HTML portion of phpBB, and the code in there to have StatCounter
>>>>>>> record hits to that part of my web site. I already have the main web
>>>>>>> site logged with StatCounter, but I would like to be able to modify
>>>>>>> the HTML portion of PHP scripts for WikiMedia and phpBB, so
>>>>>>> I can have those logged by phpBB as well
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can see the HTML portion when I ask for the source in my
>>>>>>> browser, but I cannot find the place in any of the PHP scripts
>>>>>>> to change the HTML portion of the code
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to ask in the PhpBB support forums, not here. It's more
>>>>>> complicated than just changing text files.
>>>>> I have figured out one way to do it, which works with ANY
>>>>> PHP page. Just load it into your browser, select the option
>>>>> for viewing the source, and then save that as an index.htm or
>>>>> index.html page, then have the web crawlers crawl that
>>>>> instead of the php file. I have so far gotten this to work with
>>>>> my phpBB and Wiki pages, then just change the redirects
>>>>> on my domain to take users to the HTML-translated
>>>>> version of the page. Then you can put in things like
>>>>> Statcounter, or banner ads into WikiMedia, PhpBB,
>>>>> VBulletin, or anything else. Now, you will need to have
>>>>> the original php version, so that users can login. If the
>>>>> index.php file has been erased or renamed, a user will
>>>>> not be able to log on, but if anyone else asks about this,
>>>>> that is how you do it. Log off and delete all cookies. Go
>>>>> back to the main page, open the source in your browser,
>>>>> and then save the HTML-translated page, then submit
>>>>> the HTML version of hte page to Google and Yahoo
>>>>> so that users get directed to that, instead of the PHP
>>>>> version of the page.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> And pretty soon you'll figure out why that doesn't work.
>>> Its so far worked for me. Just have the original PHP version
>>> of the page, so that users can log in, if logins are required.
>>>
>> Keep it up. You'll find why it doesn't work. Then you can come back here
>> and look at the advice given you in this thread.
>
> Its already bearing fruit. I have found two networks, one in Germany
> and one in Ukraine, where a lot of the porn links are coming from, and
> have already blocked them at the firewall level, so I won't see any more
> from those networks. Statcounter is already revealing to me where these
> assholes are coming from.
>
>
>
>

And if you chase them down, chances are you'll find they are coming from
anonymous proxies.

One non-PhpBB board I manage had a major problem with Spam until we
implemented CAPTCHA. We were getting 200-400 spam posts per hour at
times, and every one of them came from a different IP address. But the
content was always the same.

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Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 21:10:43 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 22:54:50 von chilly8

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
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> Chilly8 wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>> news:UOudnTaYbL9Oas7anZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>>
>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>> news:UaGdnUzHPKXDms7anZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:xLadnT6enbhCLM_anZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>>> How to I change the HTML portiion of a PHP script? I want to modify
>>>>>>>> the HTML portion of phpBB, and the code in there to have
>>>>>>>> StatCounter
>>>>>>>> record hits to that part of my web site. I already have the main
>>>>>>>> web
>>>>>>>> site logged with StatCounter, but I would like to be able to modify
>>>>>>>> the HTML portion of PHP scripts for WikiMedia and phpBB, so
>>>>>>>> I can have those logged by phpBB as well
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can see the HTML portion when I ask for the source in my
>>>>>>>> browser, but I cannot find the place in any of the PHP scripts
>>>>>>>> to change the HTML portion of the code
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to ask in the PhpBB support forums, not here. It's more
>>>>>>> complicated than just changing text files.
>>>>>> I have figured out one way to do it, which works with ANY
>>>>>> PHP page. Just load it into your browser, select the option
>>>>>> for viewing the source, and then save that as an index.htm or
>>>>>> index.html page, then have the web crawlers crawl that
>>>>>> instead of the php file. I have so far gotten this to work with
>>>>>> my phpBB and Wiki pages, then just change the redirects
>>>>>> on my domain to take users to the HTML-translated
>>>>>> version of the page. Then you can put in things like
>>>>>> Statcounter, or banner ads into WikiMedia, PhpBB,
>>>>>> VBulletin, or anything else. Now, you will need to have
>>>>>> the original php version, so that users can login. If the
>>>>>> index.php file has been erased or renamed, a user will
>>>>>> not be able to log on, but if anyone else asks about this,
>>>>>> that is how you do it. Log off and delete all cookies. Go
>>>>>> back to the main page, open the source in your browser,
>>>>>> and then save the HTML-translated page, then submit
>>>>>> the HTML version of hte page to Google and Yahoo
>>>>>> so that users get directed to that, instead of the PHP
>>>>>> version of the page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> And pretty soon you'll figure out why that doesn't work.
>>>> Its so far worked for me. Just have the original PHP version
>>>> of the page, so that users can log in, if logins are required.
>>>>
>>> Keep it up. You'll find why it doesn't work. Then you can come back
>>> here and look at the advice given you in this thread.
>>
>> Its already bearing fruit. I have found two networks, one in Germany
>> and one in Ukraine, where a lot of the porn links are coming from, and
>> have already blocked them at the firewall level, so I won't see any more
>> from those networks. Statcounter is already revealing to me where these
>> assholes are coming from.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> And if you chase them down, chances are you'll find they are coming from
> anonymous proxies.

I dont know, some seem to come from whole class C IP blocks.
I have had to block entire class C IP blocks to shut off the
worst offenders, which are coming from server colocation
facilities in Germany and Ukraine. Just blocking those two, at
the firewall level, has shut mot of those that create screen names,
put porn links in the profile, and then dissapear. You create a
profile when you register, so someone could register, put their
porn, or other spam link in the profile, and never come back.
They don't even have to login, one they have registered, and
placed the porn link in their profile.
>
> One non-PhpBB board I manage had a major problem with Spam until we
> implemented CAPTCHA. We were getting 200-400 spam posts per hour at
> times, and every one of them came from a different IP address. But the
> content was always the same.

Well, what they are doing is creating accounts, and then putting
porn links in the profile. The create the accounts and then
never return, and I then have to edit those profiles to get rid
of the spam, and then ban them, on the off chance the do
decide to try and come back.

Some of the scrren names that are created, I can Google,
and find them on a number of phpBB, vBulletin, and punBB
boards.

Google any of these strange screen names that appear, and
post porn links in their profiles, and chances are you will
find it being done to other boards running vBulletin,. phpBB,
or punBB.

Re: HTML portion

am 03.12.2007 22:54:50 von chilly8

Re: HTML portion

am 04.12.2007 00:19:56 von Dave Pyles

On 12/3/2007 4:54 PM, Chilly8 wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> news:NbmdnYPKAvxy_8nanZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>> news:UOudnTaYbL9Oas7anZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>> news:UaGdnUzHPKXDms7anZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:xLadnT6enbhCLM_anZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> How to I change the HTML portiion of a PHP script? I want to modify
>>>>>>>>> the HTML portion of phpBB, and the code in there to have
>>>>>>>>> StatCounter
>>>>>>>>> record hits to that part of my web site. I already have the main
>>>>>>>>> web
>>>>>>>>> site logged with StatCounter, but I would like to be able to modify
>>>>>>>>> the HTML portion of PHP scripts for WikiMedia and phpBB, so
>>>>>>>>> I can have those logged by phpBB as well
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can see the HTML portion when I ask for the source in my
>>>>>>>>> browser, but I cannot find the place in any of the PHP scripts
>>>>>>>>> to change the HTML portion of the code
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need to ask in the PhpBB support forums, not here. It's more
>>>>>>>> complicated than just changing text files.
>>>>>>> I have figured out one way to do it, which works with ANY
>>>>>>> PHP page. Just load it into your browser, select the option
>>>>>>> for viewing the source, and then save that as an index.htm or
>>>>>>> index.html page, then have the web crawlers crawl that
>>>>>>> instead of the php file. I have so far gotten this to work with
>>>>>>> my phpBB and Wiki pages, then just change the redirects
>>>>>>> on my domain to take users to the HTML-translated
>>>>>>> version of the page. Then you can put in things like
>>>>>>> Statcounter, or banner ads into WikiMedia, PhpBB,
>>>>>>> VBulletin, or anything else. Now, you will need to have
>>>>>>> the original php version, so that users can login. If the
>>>>>>> index.php file has been erased or renamed, a user will
>>>>>>> not be able to log on, but if anyone else asks about this,
>>>>>>> that is how you do it. Log off and delete all cookies. Go
>>>>>>> back to the main page, open the source in your browser,
>>>>>>> and then save the HTML-translated page, then submit
>>>>>>> the HTML version of hte page to Google and Yahoo
>>>>>>> so that users get directed to that, instead of the PHP
>>>>>>> version of the page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And pretty soon you'll figure out why that doesn't work.
>>>>> Its so far worked for me. Just have the original PHP version
>>>>> of the page, so that users can log in, if logins are required.
>>>>>
>>>> Keep it up. You'll find why it doesn't work. Then you can come back
>>>> here and look at the advice given you in this thread.
>>> Its already bearing fruit. I have found two networks, one in Germany
>>> and one in Ukraine, where a lot of the porn links are coming from, and
>>> have already blocked them at the firewall level, so I won't see any more
>>> from those networks. Statcounter is already revealing to me where these
>>> assholes are coming from.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> And if you chase them down, chances are you'll find they are coming from
>> anonymous proxies.
>
> I dont know, some seem to come from whole class C IP blocks.
> I have had to block entire class C IP blocks to shut off the
> worst offenders, which are coming from server colocation
> facilities in Germany and Ukraine. Just blocking those two, at
> the firewall level, has shut mot of those that create screen names,
> put porn links in the profile, and then dissapear. You create a
> profile when you register, so someone could register, put their
> porn, or other spam link in the profile, and never come back.
> They don't even have to login, one they have registered, and
> placed the porn link in their profile.
>> One non-PhpBB board I manage had a major problem with Spam until we
>> implemented CAPTCHA. We were getting 200-400 spam posts per hour at
>> times, and every one of them came from a different IP address. But the
>> content was always the same.
>
>
> Well, what they are doing is creating accounts, and then putting
> porn links in the profile. The create the accounts and then
> never return, and I then have to edit those profiles to get rid
> of the spam, and then ban them, on the off chance the do
> decide to try and come back.
>
> Some of the scrren names that are created, I can Google,
> and find them on a number of phpBB, vBulletin, and punBB
> boards.
>
> Google any of these strange screen names that appear, and
> post porn links in their profiles, and chances are you will
> find it being done to other boards running vBulletin,. phpBB,
> or punBB.
>
>
If you want to keep the porn bots out of your phpBB 2 board, log ontp
phpBB's community forum and search on GMT-12. You will find an answer
there that stops them flat.

As to adding your counter, you can do that by editing the
overall_footer.tpl file in your style template. Just read through the
file and you should be able to find a place to put your counter.

If you are using phpBB 3 the above advice may not apply.
Dave Pyles

Re: HTML portion

am 04.12.2007 00:19:56 von Dave Pyles

Re: HTML portion

am 04.12.2007 00:51:38 von Michael

Chilly8 wrote:
> "macca" wrote in message
> news:c3c8ebf6-8ed1-4ef2-89f4-a2efabcfa5dd@y43g2000hsy.google groups.com...
>>> PHP for Windows has no seperate HTML template, I looked. And
>>> there are none in phpBB or WikiMedia
>> Not php's templates, theres no such thing. Your applications HTML
>> templates.
>>
>> Look again. I have used phpBB myself
>>
>> if I remember correctly the templates are in something like phpBB2-
>>> templates and the default is SuubSilver, so, if i wanted to add some
>> HTML to the index page i would edit phpBB2->templates->SubSilver-
>>> index_body.tpl or something
>
> There is an index.htm there all right, but if you edit that file, phpBB will
> just ignore the edits. For some reason, the changes I make to the index.htm
> file in that directory are being ignored. I even tried rebooting the
> computer,
> to restart everything, no dice, so using to HTML-translated version of the
> page appears to be the only thing that is going to work. I absoluitely
> must find out where the assholes that are creating accounts and posting
> porn links are coming from. I can edit the profiles to remove the porn
> links,
> and ban the users, but they keep coming back. All the firewall logs will
> tell me is that there were hits to port 80, they won't tell me which part of
> my site was accessed, while StatCounter can.
>
>

What about apache access logs? Also, 'PHP for Windows' doesn't change
whether phpBB or WikiMedia uses templates or not. phpBB uses templates,
like Jerry said, find the right one and add your code.

Saving it as a static HTML file and serving that up completely defeats
the purpose of it being dynamic. And one big extra step for no reason.

Also there are far better ways to deal with spam than block there IPs.
Most spam is distributed through proxies, and 'zombies'. You might see
reduced spam for a few days or weeks, but it will be back.

Re: HTML portion

am 04.12.2007 00:51:38 von Michael

Re: HTML portion

am 04.12.2007 13:52:54 von chilly8

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
news:NbmdnYPKAvxy_8nanZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Chilly8 wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>> news:UOudnTaYbL9Oas7anZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>>
>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>> news:UaGdnUzHPKXDms7anZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:xLadnT6enbhCLM_anZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>>> How to I change the HTML portiion of a PHP script? I want to modify
>>>>>>>> the HTML portion of phpBB, and the code in there to have
>>>>>>>> StatCounter
>>>>>>>> record hits to that part of my web site. I already have the main
>>>>>>>> web
>>>>>>>> site logged with StatCounter, but I would like to be able to modify
>>>>>>>> the HTML portion of PHP scripts for WikiMedia and phpBB, so
>>>>>>>> I can have those logged by phpBB as well
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can see the HTML portion when I ask for the source in my
>>>>>>>> browser, but I cannot find the place in any of the PHP scripts
>>>>>>>> to change the HTML portion of the code
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to ask in the PhpBB support forums, not here. It's more
>>>>>>> complicated than just changing text files.
>>>>>> I have figured out one way to do it, which works with ANY
>>>>>> PHP page. Just load it into your browser, select the option
>>>>>> for viewing the source, and then save that as an index.htm or
>>>>>> index.html page, then have the web crawlers crawl that
>>>>>> instead of the php file. I have so far gotten this to work with
>>>>>> my phpBB and Wiki pages, then just change the redirects
>>>>>> on my domain to take users to the HTML-translated
>>>>>> version of the page. Then you can put in things like
>>>>>> Statcounter, or banner ads into WikiMedia, PhpBB,
>>>>>> VBulletin, or anything else. Now, you will need to have
>>>>>> the original php version, so that users can login. If the
>>>>>> index.php file has been erased or renamed, a user will
>>>>>> not be able to log on, but if anyone else asks about this,
>>>>>> that is how you do it. Log off and delete all cookies. Go
>>>>>> back to the main page, open the source in your browser,
>>>>>> and then save the HTML-translated page, then submit
>>>>>> the HTML version of hte page to Google and Yahoo
>>>>>> so that users get directed to that, instead of the PHP
>>>>>> version of the page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> And pretty soon you'll figure out why that doesn't work.
>>>> Its so far worked for me. Just have the original PHP version
>>>> of the page, so that users can log in, if logins are required.
>>>>
>>> Keep it up. You'll find why it doesn't work. Then you can come back
>>> here and look at the advice given you in this thread.
>>
>> Its already bearing fruit. I have found two networks, one in Germany
>> and one in Ukraine, where a lot of the porn links are coming from, and
>> have already blocked them at the firewall level, so I won't see any more
>> from those networks. Statcounter is already revealing to me where these
>> assholes are coming from.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> And if you chase them down, chances are you'll find they are coming from
> anonymous proxies.

Nearly all of it was coming from compromised machines on just three
data centers, around the world, Inhoster in Dnreproretrovsk,
Ukraine, Keymachine, in Berlin, Germany, and FDC Servers
in Chicago. Blocking the IP blocks for these data centers has
stopped a lot of it. I might see a couple a day now, but not
at as many as 50 a day like I was seeing.

It seems that every machine at these data centers were compromised,
so blocking everything from these data centers stops 99.9 percent
of the porn-bots, so I don't think I will be seeing much of them
anymore.

Re: HTML portion

am 04.12.2007 13:52:54 von chilly8

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
news:NbmdnYPKAvxy_8nanZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Chilly8 wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>> news:UOudnTaYbL9Oas7anZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>>
>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>> news:UaGdnUzHPKXDms7anZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:xLadnT6enbhCLM_anZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>>> How to I change the HTML portiion of a PHP script? I want to modify
>>>>>>>> the HTML portion of phpBB, and the code in there to have
>>>>>>>> StatCounter
>>>>>>>> record hits to that part of my web site. I already have the main
>>>>>>>> web
>>>>>>>> site logged with StatCounter, but I would like to be able to modify
>>>>>>>> the HTML portion of PHP scripts for WikiMedia and phpBB, so
>>>>>>>> I can have those logged by phpBB as well
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can see the HTML portion when I ask for the source in my
>>>>>>>> browser, but I cannot find the place in any of the PHP scripts
>>>>>>>> to change the HTML portion of the code
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to ask in the PhpBB support forums, not here. It's more
>>>>>>> complicated than just changing text files.
>>>>>> I have figured out one way to do it, which works with ANY
>>>>>> PHP page. Just load it into your browser, select the option
>>>>>> for viewing the source, and then save that as an index.htm or
>>>>>> index.html page, then have the web crawlers crawl that
>>>>>> instead of the php file. I have so far gotten this to work with
>>>>>> my phpBB and Wiki pages, then just change the redirects
>>>>>> on my domain to take users to the HTML-translated
>>>>>> version of the page. Then you can put in things like
>>>>>> Statcounter, or banner ads into WikiMedia, PhpBB,
>>>>>> VBulletin, or anything else. Now, you will need to have
>>>>>> the original php version, so that users can login. If the
>>>>>> index.php file has been erased or renamed, a user will
>>>>>> not be able to log on, but if anyone else asks about this,
>>>>>> that is how you do it. Log off and delete all cookies. Go
>>>>>> back to the main page, open the source in your browser,
>>>>>> and then save the HTML-translated page, then submit
>>>>>> the HTML version of hte page to Google and Yahoo
>>>>>> so that users get directed to that, instead of the PHP
>>>>>> version of the page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> And pretty soon you'll figure out why that doesn't work.
>>>> Its so far worked for me. Just have the original PHP version
>>>> of the page, so that users can log in, if logins are required.
>>>>
>>> Keep it up. You'll find why it doesn't work. Then you can come back
>>> here and look at the advice given you in this thread.
>>
>> Its already bearing fruit. I have found two networks, one in Germany
>> and one in Ukraine, where a lot of the porn links are coming from, and
>> have already blocked them at the firewall level, so I won't see any more
>> from those networks. Statcounter is already revealing to me where these
>> assholes are coming from.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> And if you chase them down, chances are you'll find they are coming from
> anonymous proxies.

Nearly all of it was coming from compromised machines on just three
data centers, around the world, Inhoster in Dnreproretrovsk,
Ukraine, Keymachine, in Berlin, Germany, and FDC Servers
in Chicago. Blocking the IP blocks for these data centers has
stopped a lot of it. I might see a couple a day now, but not
at as many as 50 a day like I was seeing.

It seems that every machine at these data centers were compromised,
so blocking everything from these data centers stops 99.9 percent
of the porn-bots, so I don't think I will be seeing much of them
anymore.

Re: HTML portion

am 04.12.2007 14:03:19 von luiheidsgoeroe

On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:52:54 +0100, Chilly8 wrote:
> It seems that every machine at these data centers were compromised,

Compromised or dedicated, that's in the eye of the beholder (or owner) :P.
--
Rik Wasmus

Re: HTML portion

am 04.12.2007 23:21:56 von chilly8

"David Pyles" wrote in message
news:fj2307$3ij$1@pyrite.mv.net...
> On 12/3/2007 4:54 PM, Chilly8 wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>> news:NbmdnYPKAvxy_8nanZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>> news:UOudnTaYbL9Oas7anZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:UaGdnUzHPKXDms7anZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:xLadnT6enbhCLM_anZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> How to I change the HTML portiion of a PHP script? I want to
>>>>>>>>>> modify
>>>>>>>>>> the HTML portion of phpBB, and the code in there to have
>>>>>>>>>> StatCounter
>>>>>>>>>> record hits to that part of my web site. I already have the main
>>>>>>>>>> web
>>>>>>>>>> site logged with StatCounter, but I would like to be able to
>>>>>>>>>> modify
>>>>>>>>>> the HTML portion of PHP scripts for WikiMedia and phpBB, so
>>>>>>>>>> I can have those logged by phpBB as well
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can see the HTML portion when I ask for the source in my
>>>>>>>>>> browser, but I cannot find the place in any of the PHP scripts
>>>>>>>>>> to change the HTML portion of the code
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You need to ask in the PhpBB support forums, not here. It's more
>>>>>>>>> complicated than just changing text files.
>>>>>>>> I have figured out one way to do it, which works with ANY
>>>>>>>> PHP page. Just load it into your browser, select the option
>>>>>>>> for viewing the source, and then save that as an index.htm or
>>>>>>>> index.html page, then have the web crawlers crawl that
>>>>>>>> instead of the php file. I have so far gotten this to work with
>>>>>>>> my phpBB and Wiki pages, then just change the redirects
>>>>>>>> on my domain to take users to the HTML-translated
>>>>>>>> version of the page. Then you can put in things like
>>>>>>>> Statcounter, or banner ads into WikiMedia, PhpBB,
>>>>>>>> VBulletin, or anything else. Now, you will need to have
>>>>>>>> the original php version, so that users can login. If the
>>>>>>>> index.php file has been erased or renamed, a user will
>>>>>>>> not be able to log on, but if anyone else asks about this,
>>>>>>>> that is how you do it. Log off and delete all cookies. Go
>>>>>>>> back to the main page, open the source in your browser,
>>>>>>>> and then save the HTML-translated page, then submit
>>>>>>>> the HTML version of hte page to Google and Yahoo
>>>>>>>> so that users get directed to that, instead of the PHP
>>>>>>>> version of the page.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And pretty soon you'll figure out why that doesn't work.
>>>>>> Its so far worked for me. Just have the original PHP version
>>>>>> of the page, so that users can log in, if logins are required.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Keep it up. You'll find why it doesn't work. Then you can come back
>>>>> here and look at the advice given you in this thread.
>>>> Its already bearing fruit. I have found two networks, one in Germany
>>>> and one in Ukraine, where a lot of the porn links are coming from, and
>>>> have already blocked them at the firewall level, so I won't see any
>>>> more
>>>> from those networks. Statcounter is already revealing to me where these
>>>> assholes are coming from.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> And if you chase them down, chances are you'll find they are coming from
>>> anonymous proxies.
>>
>> I dont know, some seem to come from whole class C IP blocks.
>> I have had to block entire class C IP blocks to shut off the
>> worst offenders, which are coming from server colocation
>> facilities in Germany and Ukraine. Just blocking those two, at
>> the firewall level, has shut mot of those that create screen names,
>> put porn links in the profile, and then dissapear. You create a
>> profile when you register, so someone could register, put their
>> porn, or other spam link in the profile, and never come back.
>> They don't even have to login, one they have registered, and
>> placed the porn link in their profile.
>>> One non-PhpBB board I manage had a major problem with Spam until we
>>> implemented CAPTCHA. We were getting 200-400 spam posts per hour at
>>> times, and every one of them came from a different IP address. But the
>>> content was always the same.
>>
>>
>> Well, what they are doing is creating accounts, and then putting
>> porn links in the profile. The create the accounts and then
>> never return, and I then have to edit those profiles to get rid
>> of the spam, and then ban them, on the off chance the do
>> decide to try and come back.
>>
>> Some of the scrren names that are created, I can Google,
>> and find them on a number of phpBB, vBulletin, and punBB
>> boards.
>>
>> Google any of these strange screen names that appear, and
>> post porn links in their profiles, and chances are you will
>> find it being done to other boards running vBulletin,. phpBB,
>> or punBB.
>>
>>
> If you want to keep the porn bots out of your phpBB 2 board, log ontp
> phpBB's community forum and search on GMT-12. You will find an answer
> there that stops them flat.

It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.

Re: HTML portion

am 04.12.2007 23:21:56 von chilly8

Re: HTML portion

am 05.12.2007 03:06:39 von Jerry Stuckle

Chilly8 wrote:
> "David Pyles" wrote in message
> news:fj2307$3ij$1@pyrite.mv.net...
>> On 12/3/2007 4:54 PM, Chilly8 wrote:
>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>> news:NbmdnYPKAvxy_8nanZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>> news:UOudnTaYbL9Oas7anZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:UaGdnUzHPKXDms7anZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:xLadnT6enbhCLM_anZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> How to I change the HTML portiion of a PHP script? I want to
>>>>>>>>>>> modify
>>>>>>>>>>> the HTML portion of phpBB, and the code in there to have
>>>>>>>>>>> StatCounter
>>>>>>>>>>> record hits to that part of my web site. I already have the main
>>>>>>>>>>> web
>>>>>>>>>>> site logged with StatCounter, but I would like to be able to
>>>>>>>>>>> modify
>>>>>>>>>>> the HTML portion of PHP scripts for WikiMedia and phpBB, so
>>>>>>>>>>> I can have those logged by phpBB as well
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can see the HTML portion when I ask for the source in my
>>>>>>>>>>> browser, but I cannot find the place in any of the PHP scripts
>>>>>>>>>>> to change the HTML portion of the code
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You need to ask in the PhpBB support forums, not here. It's more
>>>>>>>>>> complicated than just changing text files.
>>>>>>>>> I have figured out one way to do it, which works with ANY
>>>>>>>>> PHP page. Just load it into your browser, select the option
>>>>>>>>> for viewing the source, and then save that as an index.htm or
>>>>>>>>> index.html page, then have the web crawlers crawl that
>>>>>>>>> instead of the php file. I have so far gotten this to work with
>>>>>>>>> my phpBB and Wiki pages, then just change the redirects
>>>>>>>>> on my domain to take users to the HTML-translated
>>>>>>>>> version of the page. Then you can put in things like
>>>>>>>>> Statcounter, or banner ads into WikiMedia, PhpBB,
>>>>>>>>> VBulletin, or anything else. Now, you will need to have
>>>>>>>>> the original php version, so that users can login. If the
>>>>>>>>> index.php file has been erased or renamed, a user will
>>>>>>>>> not be able to log on, but if anyone else asks about this,
>>>>>>>>> that is how you do it. Log off and delete all cookies. Go
>>>>>>>>> back to the main page, open the source in your browser,
>>>>>>>>> and then save the HTML-translated page, then submit
>>>>>>>>> the HTML version of hte page to Google and Yahoo
>>>>>>>>> so that users get directed to that, instead of the PHP
>>>>>>>>> version of the page.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And pretty soon you'll figure out why that doesn't work.
>>>>>>> Its so far worked for me. Just have the original PHP version
>>>>>>> of the page, so that users can log in, if logins are required.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep it up. You'll find why it doesn't work. Then you can come back
>>>>>> here and look at the advice given you in this thread.
>>>>> Its already bearing fruit. I have found two networks, one in Germany
>>>>> and one in Ukraine, where a lot of the porn links are coming from, and
>>>>> have already blocked them at the firewall level, so I won't see any
>>>>> more
>>>>> from those networks. Statcounter is already revealing to me where these
>>>>> assholes are coming from.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> And if you chase them down, chances are you'll find they are coming from
>>>> anonymous proxies.
>>> I dont know, some seem to come from whole class C IP blocks.
>>> I have had to block entire class C IP blocks to shut off the
>>> worst offenders, which are coming from server colocation
>>> facilities in Germany and Ukraine. Just blocking those two, at
>>> the firewall level, has shut mot of those that create screen names,
>>> put porn links in the profile, and then dissapear. You create a
>>> profile when you register, so someone could register, put their
>>> porn, or other spam link in the profile, and never come back.
>>> They don't even have to login, one they have registered, and
>>> placed the porn link in their profile.
>>>> One non-PhpBB board I manage had a major problem with Spam until we
>>>> implemented CAPTCHA. We were getting 200-400 spam posts per hour at
>>>> times, and every one of them came from a different IP address. But the
>>>> content was always the same.
>>>
>>> Well, what they are doing is creating accounts, and then putting
>>> porn links in the profile. The create the accounts and then
>>> never return, and I then have to edit those profiles to get rid
>>> of the spam, and then ban them, on the off chance the do
>>> decide to try and come back.
>>>
>>> Some of the scrren names that are created, I can Google,
>>> and find them on a number of phpBB, vBulletin, and punBB
>>> boards.
>>>
>>> Google any of these strange screen names that appear, and
>>> post porn links in their profiles, and chances are you will
>>> find it being done to other boards running vBulletin,. phpBB,
>>> or punBB.
>>>
>>>
>> If you want to keep the porn bots out of your phpBB 2 board, log ontp
>> phpBB's community forum and search on GMT-12. You will find an answer
>> there that stops them flat.
>
> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>
>
>
>

For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?

Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
Just the expedient one.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

Re: HTML portion

am 05.12.2007 03:06:39 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: HTML portion

am 05.12.2007 03:15:06 von Courtney

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Chilly8 wrote:
>> "David Pyles" wrote in message
>> news:fj2307$3ij$1@pyrite.mv.net...
>>> On 12/3/2007 4:54 PM, Chilly8 wrote:
>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>> news:NbmdnYPKAvxy_8nanZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:UOudnTaYbL9Oas7anZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:UaGdnUzHPKXDms7anZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:xLadnT6enbhCLM_anZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> How to I change the HTML portiion of a PHP script? I want to
>>>>>>>>>>>> modify
>>>>>>>>>>>> the HTML portion of phpBB, and the code in there to have
>>>>>>>>>>>> StatCounter
>>>>>>>>>>>> record hits to that part of my web site. I already have the
>>>>>>>>>>>> main web
>>>>>>>>>>>> site logged with StatCounter, but I would like to be able to
>>>>>>>>>>>> modify
>>>>>>>>>>>> the HTML portion of PHP scripts for WikiMedia and phpBB, so
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can have those logged by phpBB as well
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can see the HTML portion when I ask for the source in my
>>>>>>>>>>>> browser, but I cannot find the place in any of the PHP scripts
>>>>>>>>>>>> to change the HTML portion of the code
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You need to ask in the PhpBB support forums, not here. It's
>>>>>>>>>>> more complicated than just changing text files.
>>>>>>>>>> I have figured out one way to do it, which works with ANY
>>>>>>>>>> PHP page. Just load it into your browser, select the option
>>>>>>>>>> for viewing the source, and then save that as an index.htm or
>>>>>>>>>> index.html page, then have the web crawlers crawl that
>>>>>>>>>> instead of the php file. I have so far gotten this to work with
>>>>>>>>>> my phpBB and Wiki pages, then just change the redirects
>>>>>>>>>> on my domain to take users to the HTML-translated
>>>>>>>>>> version of the page. Then you can put in things like
>>>>>>>>>> Statcounter, or banner ads into WikiMedia, PhpBB,
>>>>>>>>>> VBulletin, or anything else. Now, you will need to have
>>>>>>>>>> the original php version, so that users can login. If the
>>>>>>>>>> index.php file has been erased or renamed, a user will
>>>>>>>>>> not be able to log on, but if anyone else asks about this,
>>>>>>>>>> that is how you do it. Log off and delete all cookies. Go
>>>>>>>>>> back to the main page, open the source in your browser,
>>>>>>>>>> and then save the HTML-translated page, then submit
>>>>>>>>>> the HTML version of hte page to Google and Yahoo
>>>>>>>>>> so that users get directed to that, instead of the PHP
>>>>>>>>>> version of the page.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And pretty soon you'll figure out why that doesn't work.
>>>>>>>> Its so far worked for me. Just have the original PHP version
>>>>>>>> of the page, so that users can log in, if logins are required.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep it up. You'll find why it doesn't work. Then you can come
>>>>>>> back here and look at the advice given you in this thread.
>>>>>> Its already bearing fruit. I have found two networks, one in Germany
>>>>>> and one in Ukraine, where a lot of the porn links are coming from,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> have already blocked them at the firewall level, so I won't see
>>>>>> any more
>>>>>> from those networks. Statcounter is already revealing to me where
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> assholes are coming from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> And if you chase them down, chances are you'll find they are coming
>>>>> from anonymous proxies.
>>>> I dont know, some seem to come from whole class C IP blocks.
>>>> I have had to block entire class C IP blocks to shut off the
>>>> worst offenders, which are coming from server colocation
>>>> facilities in Germany and Ukraine. Just blocking those two, at
>>>> the firewall level, has shut mot of those that create screen names,
>>>> put porn links in the profile, and then dissapear. You create a
>>>> profile when you register, so someone could register, put their
>>>> porn, or other spam link in the profile, and never come back.
>>>> They don't even have to login, one they have registered, and
>>>> placed the porn link in their profile.
>>>>> One non-PhpBB board I manage had a major problem with Spam until we
>>>>> implemented CAPTCHA. We were getting 200-400 spam posts per hour
>>>>> at times, and every one of them came from a different IP address.
>>>>> But the content was always the same.
>>>>
>>>> Well, what they are doing is creating accounts, and then putting
>>>> porn links in the profile. The create the accounts and then
>>>> never return, and I then have to edit those profiles to get rid
>>>> of the spam, and then ban them, on the off chance the do
>>>> decide to try and come back.
>>>>
>>>> Some of the scrren names that are created, I can Google,
>>>> and find them on a number of phpBB, vBulletin, and punBB
>>>> boards.
>>>>
>>>> Google any of these strange screen names that appear, and
>>>> post porn links in their profiles, and chances are you will
>>>> find it being done to other boards running vBulletin,. phpBB,
>>>> or punBB.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If you want to keep the porn bots out of your phpBB 2 board, log ontp
>>> phpBB's community forum and search on GMT-12. You will find an
>>> answer there that stops them flat.
>>
>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>
> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
> Just the expedient one.
>
In almost all matters concerning humans, there are no right answers,
only expedient ones.

Unless you claim papal infallibility?

Re: HTML portion

am 05.12.2007 03:15:06 von Courtney

Re: HTML portion

am 05.12.2007 04:23:34 von chilly8

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...

>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>
> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
> Just the expedient one.

I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I mentioned
are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
compromised
all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be possible
that
some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
there really is no other answer to the problem.

Re: HTML portion

am 05.12.2007 04:23:34 von chilly8

Re: HTML portion

am 05.12.2007 04:37:16 von Jerry Stuckle

Chilly8 wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>
>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
>> Just the expedient one.
>
>
> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I mentioned
> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
> compromised
> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be possible
> that
> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>
>
>

There are lots of other answers to the problem. Some have been listed
right here. And none of them involve blocking a whole range of IP
addresses.

But it's your site, and your potential customers you're losing. No skin
off of our backs.

Just don't come running back here when things crap out.

--
==================
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Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

Re: HTML portion

am 05.12.2007 04:37:16 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: HTML portion

am 05.12.2007 07:55:48 von Michael

Chilly8 wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>
>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
>> Just the expedient one.
>
>
> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I mentioned
> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
> compromised
> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be possible
> that
> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>
>

With your logic, why don't you block the entire internet... you know,
seeing a majority of spam comes from the internet and all.

Granted this is where your spam is coming from RIGHT NOW, it wont be in
a few weeks time. But thats okay, you will just block those IPs as well!
When you have thousands of blocked IP ranges, are you going to
periodically check them, to see if they have been re-allocated to some
poor ISP?

It is your site, but you should really consider other options.

- Michael

Re: HTML portion

am 05.12.2007 07:55:48 von Michael

Chilly8 wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>
>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
>> Just the expedient one.
>
>
> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I mentioned
> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
> compromised
> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be possible
> that
> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>
>

With your logic, why don't you block the entire internet... you know,
seeing a majority of spam comes from the internet and all.

Granted this is where your spam is coming from RIGHT NOW, it wont be in
a few weeks time. But thats okay, you will just block those IPs as well!
When you have thousands of blocked IP ranges, are you going to
periodically check them, to see if they have been re-allocated to some
poor ISP?

It is your site, but you should really consider other options.

- Michael

Re: HTML portion

am 05.12.2007 11:44:39 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:25:48 +1030, Michael
wrote:

>Chilly8 wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>
>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>
>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
>>> Just the expedient one.
>>
>>
>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I mentioned
>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>> compromised
>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be possible
>> that
>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>
>>
>
>With your logic, why don't you block the entire internet... you know,
>seeing a majority of spam comes from the internet and all.
>
>Granted this is where your spam is coming from RIGHT NOW, it wont be in
>a few weeks time. But thats okay, you will just block those IPs as well!
> When you have thousands of blocked IP ranges, are you going to
>periodically check them, to see if they have been re-allocated to some
>poor ISP?
>
>It is your site, but you should really consider other options.
>
> - Michael

Well, I for one don't really give a fuck. I mean if he wants to cut
off his nose to spite his face...let him. Further if you and he are
ever applying for a job and the interviewer asks for examples of sites
you've done that employ spam prevention techniques...guess which one
of you is gonna get the job?

And really, in his case, I don't think it's a matter of him "not
liking" catcha images so much as he simply has no level of skill and
therefore does not comprehend how to even setup such a system
(especially not with whatever prefab cookie cutter piece of shit
Webbie board he's ripped off). He probably could have gotten better
help (as far as his actual situation) if he told everyone right from
the start that he had no coding ability and was simply using a
template jobbie.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: HTML portion

am 05.12.2007 11:44:39 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: HTML portion

am 05.12.2007 18:57:55 von chilly8

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
news:Ze6dnUvZ38qZgMvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com...
> Chilly8 wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>
>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>
>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
>>> Just the expedient one.
>>
>>
>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>> mentioned
>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>> compromised
>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be possible
>> that
>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>
>>
>>
>
> There are lots of other answers to the problem. Some have been listed
> right here. And none of them involve blocking a whole range of IP
> addresses.

Well, these are all just server farms, where people place web servers, so
the only humans using the machines, other than people browsing the web
sites, would be the individual web site admins, so other than maybe
somoene trying to use a Web proxy from work to hide what they are
doing from the boss, I don't think I would be impacting that many users.

Like I said, blocking all traffic from those three data centers has cut
the problem of people posting porn links down to almost nothing. I
get maybe a handful a day, but not the dozens a day I was getting.
I don't think I will see anymore from folks like SuperXXXPorn
or BestinWeb. I got them stopped dead in their tracks.

If you are running any servers hosted at the datacenters of Inhoster,
Keymachine, or FDC servers, you better check and see that
your servers have not been compromised by these people that
are doing this. 99.9 percent of the traffic that was posting porn
links were coming from compromised machines at these data
centers. And there is no POSSIBLE way I could have
discovered this without using a main page translated to HTML
and having all the traffic logged with StatCounter.

Re: HTML portion

am 05.12.2007 18:57:55 von chilly8

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 01:00:16 von Kye

"Chilly8" wrote in message
news:13ldpl69q3c1106@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> news:Ze6dnUvZ38qZgMvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>
>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
>>>> Just the expedient one.
>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>> mentioned
>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>> compromised
>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be
>>> possible that
>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> There are lots of other answers to the problem. Some have been listed
>> right here. And none of them involve blocking a whole range of IP
>> addresses.
>
> Well, these are all just server farms, where people place web servers, so
> the only humans using the machines, other than people browsing the web
> sites, would be the individual web site admins, so other than maybe
> somoene trying to use a Web proxy from work to hide what they are
> doing from the boss, I don't think I would be impacting that many users.
>
> Like I said, blocking all traffic from those three data centers has cut
> the problem of people posting porn links down to almost nothing. I
> get maybe a handful a day, but not the dozens a day I was getting.
> I don't think I will see anymore from folks like SuperXXXPorn
> or BestinWeb. I got them stopped dead in their tracks.
>
> If you are running any servers hosted at the datacenters of Inhoster,
> Keymachine, or FDC servers, you better check and see that
> your servers have not been compromised by these people that
> are doing this. 99.9 percent of the traffic that was posting porn
> links were coming from compromised machines at these data
> centers. And there is no POSSIBLE way I could have
> discovered this without using a main page translated to HTML
> and having all the traffic logged with StatCounter.

Chilly,

Please stop speaking for a few days to allow the advice you have been given
a chance to sink in.

At every word you type I am wincing now waiting for the splat.

Also please be certain of what you type before you say things like "no
POSSIBLE way".

Kye

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 01:00:16 von Kye

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 03:09:37 von Michael

Chilly8 wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> news:Ze6dnUvZ38qZgMvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>
>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
>>>> Just the expedient one.
>>>
>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>> mentioned
>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>> compromised
>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be possible
>>> that
>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> There are lots of other answers to the problem. Some have been listed
>> right here. And none of them involve blocking a whole range of IP
>> addresses.
>
> Well, these are all just server farms, where people place web servers, so
> the only humans using the machines, other than people browsing the web
> sites, would be the individual web site admins, so other than maybe
> somoene trying to use a Web proxy from work to hide what they are
> doing from the boss, I don't think I would be impacting that many users.
>
> Like I said, blocking all traffic from those three data centers has cut
> the problem of people posting porn links down to almost nothing. I
> get maybe a handful a day, but not the dozens a day I was getting.
> I don't think I will see anymore from folks like SuperXXXPorn
> or BestinWeb. I got them stopped dead in their tracks.
>
> If you are running any servers hosted at the datacenters of Inhoster,
> Keymachine, or FDC servers, you better check and see that
> your servers have not been compromised by these people that
> are doing this. 99.9 percent of the traffic that was posting porn
> links were coming from compromised machines at these data
> centers. And there is no POSSIBLE way I could have
> discovered this without using a main page translated to HTML
> and having all the traffic logged with StatCounter.
>
>
>

Apache logs much?

There are plenty of good utilities to view these logs: analog, awstats
and webalizer just to name a few.

There is hundreds of other ways you could have determined where 'this
bad traffic' is coming from. As they say, knowledge is dangerous, and so
is ignorance.

Like I said in another post:

"This is where your spam is coming from RIGHT NOW, it wont be in a few
weeks time. But thats okay, you will just block those IPs as well! When
you have thousands of blocked IP ranges, are you going to periodically
check them, to see if they have been re-allocated to some poor ISP?"

- Michael

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 03:09:37 von Michael

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 03:25:39 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:39:37 +1030, Michael
wrote:

>Chilly8 wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>> news:Ze6dnUvZ38qZgMvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>>
>>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
>>>>> Just the expedient one.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>>> mentioned
>>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>>> compromised
>>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be possible
>>>> that
>>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There are lots of other answers to the problem. Some have been listed
>>> right here. And none of them involve blocking a whole range of IP
>>> addresses.
>>
>> Well, these are all just server farms, where people place web servers, so
>> the only humans using the machines, other than people browsing the web
>> sites, would be the individual web site admins, so other than maybe
>> somoene trying to use a Web proxy from work to hide what they are
>> doing from the boss, I don't think I would be impacting that many users.
>>
>> Like I said, blocking all traffic from those three data centers has cut
>> the problem of people posting porn links down to almost nothing. I
>> get maybe a handful a day, but not the dozens a day I was getting.
>> I don't think I will see anymore from folks like SuperXXXPorn
>> or BestinWeb. I got them stopped dead in their tracks.
>>
>> If you are running any servers hosted at the datacenters of Inhoster,
>> Keymachine, or FDC servers, you better check and see that
>> your servers have not been compromised by these people that
>> are doing this. 99.9 percent of the traffic that was posting porn
>> links were coming from compromised machines at these data
>> centers. And there is no POSSIBLE way I could have
>> discovered this without using a main page translated to HTML
>> and having all the traffic logged with StatCounter.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Apache logs much?
>
>There are plenty of good utilities to view these logs: analog, awstats
>and webalizer just to name a few.
>
>There is hundreds of other ways you could have determined where 'this
>bad traffic' is coming from. As they say, knowledge is dangerous, and so
>is ignorance.
>
>
>Like I said in another post:
>
>"This is where your spam is coming from RIGHT NOW, it wont be in a few
>weeks time. But thats okay, you will just block those IPs as well! When
>you have thousands of blocked IP ranges, are you going to periodically
>check them, to see if they have been re-allocated to some poor ISP?"

You know another "solution" to his problem, other than using catcha
images, is to rely on forum participants in the way that sites like
MySpace and YouTube work. Basically set up a rating system and if
enough users "mark as spam" the post will be removed.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 03:25:39 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 05:35:13 von Michael

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:39:37 +1030, Michael
> wrote:
>
>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>> news:Ze6dnUvZ38qZgMvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>>>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
>>>>>> Just the expedient one.
>>>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>>>> mentioned
>>>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>>>> compromised
>>>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be possible
>>>>> that
>>>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> There are lots of other answers to the problem. Some have been listed
>>>> right here. And none of them involve blocking a whole range of IP
>>>> addresses.
>>> Well, these are all just server farms, where people place web servers, so
>>> the only humans using the machines, other than people browsing the web
>>> sites, would be the individual web site admins, so other than maybe
>>> somoene trying to use a Web proxy from work to hide what they are
>>> doing from the boss, I don't think I would be impacting that many users.
>>>
>>> Like I said, blocking all traffic from those three data centers has cut
>>> the problem of people posting porn links down to almost nothing. I
>>> get maybe a handful a day, but not the dozens a day I was getting.
>>> I don't think I will see anymore from folks like SuperXXXPorn
>>> or BestinWeb. I got them stopped dead in their tracks.
>>>
>>> If you are running any servers hosted at the datacenters of Inhoster,
>>> Keymachine, or FDC servers, you better check and see that
>>> your servers have not been compromised by these people that
>>> are doing this. 99.9 percent of the traffic that was posting porn
>>> links were coming from compromised machines at these data
>>> centers. And there is no POSSIBLE way I could have
>>> discovered this without using a main page translated to HTML
>>> and having all the traffic logged with StatCounter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Apache logs much?
>>
>> There are plenty of good utilities to view these logs: analog, awstats
>> and webalizer just to name a few.
>>
>> There is hundreds of other ways you could have determined where 'this
>> bad traffic' is coming from. As they say, knowledge is dangerous, and so
>> is ignorance.
>>
>>
>> Like I said in another post:
>>
>> "This is where your spam is coming from RIGHT NOW, it wont be in a few
>> weeks time. But thats okay, you will just block those IPs as well! When
>> you have thousands of blocked IP ranges, are you going to periodically
>> check them, to see if they have been re-allocated to some poor ISP?"
>
> You know another "solution" to his problem, other than using catcha
> images, is to rely on forum participants in the way that sites like
> MySpace and YouTube work. Basically set up a rating system and if
> enough users "mark as spam" the post will be removed.

This alone would not stop the problem. You would still need to use it
with other methods of spam prevention like 'CAPTCHA' or email address
verification.

Given he has difficulties with CAPTCHA, and tracking where his users are
coming from, I'd say a social voting system is perhaps a bit out of his
league ;).

>
> --
>
> Onideus Mad Hatter
> mhm ¹ x ¹
> http://www.backwater-productions.net
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
>
>
> Hatter Quotes
> -------------
> "You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
> best."
>
> "I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
> with it."
>
> "I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."
>
> "Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."
>
> "Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"
>
> "Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
> bad."
>
> "There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."
>
> "The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."
>
> "Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
> of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"
>
> "Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
> that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
> of its relevancy."
>
> "Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
> creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."
>
> "Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."
>
> "People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
> they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
> givin em out for free."
>
> "Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
> So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
> to their merry little mess."
>
> "There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
> horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
> their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
> sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
> images burned into their tiny little minds'."
>
> "How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
> properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."
>
> "Those who record history are those who control history."
>
> "I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
> endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
> don't get sent to me...I come for you."
>
> "Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
> tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."
>
> "Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
> function?"
>
> "Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
> Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
> indicates an increase in Webtv users."
>
> "Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
> gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 05:35:13 von Michael

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 14:42:39 von chilly8

"Michael" wrote in message
news:475759e0$0$18454$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> Chilly8 wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>> news:Ze6dnUvZ38qZgMvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>>
>>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right
>>>>> answer. Just the expedient one.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>>> mentioned
>>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>>> compromised
>>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be
>>>> possible that
>>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There are lots of other answers to the problem. Some have been listed
>>> right here. And none of them involve blocking a whole range of IP
>>> addresses.
>>
>> Well, these are all just server farms, where people place web servers, so
>> the only humans using the machines, other than people browsing the web
>> sites, would be the individual web site admins, so other than maybe
>> somoene trying to use a Web proxy from work to hide what they are
>> doing from the boss, I don't think I would be impacting that many users.
>>
>> Like I said, blocking all traffic from those three data centers has cut
>> the problem of people posting porn links down to almost nothing. I
>> get maybe a handful a day, but not the dozens a day I was getting.
>> I don't think I will see anymore from folks like SuperXXXPorn
>> or BestinWeb. I got them stopped dead in their tracks.
>>
>> If you are running any servers hosted at the datacenters of Inhoster,
>> Keymachine, or FDC servers, you better check and see that
>> your servers have not been compromised by these people that
>> are doing this. 99.9 percent of the traffic that was posting porn
>> links were coming from compromised machines at these data
>> centers. And there is no POSSIBLE way I could have
>> discovered this without using a main page translated to HTML
>> and having all the traffic logged with StatCounter.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Apache logs much?
>
> There are plenty of good utilities to view these logs: analog, awstats and
> webalizer just to name a few.

Ah, but with StatCounter, I get much more detailed information. I can find
out what
search engines they linked on, what keywords were used, I also get
information on
what browser, operating system, and even what screen resolution was used.
None
of the products you mentioned can do that.

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 14:42:39 von chilly8

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 15:15:47 von Jerry Stuckle

Chilly8 wrote:
> "Michael" wrote in message
> news:475759e0$0$18454$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>> news:Ze6dnUvZ38qZgMvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right
>>>>>> answer. Just the expedient one.
>>>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>>>> mentioned
>>>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>>>> compromised
>>>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be
>>>>> possible that
>>>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> There are lots of other answers to the problem. Some have been listed
>>>> right here. And none of them involve blocking a whole range of IP
>>>> addresses.
>>> Well, these are all just server farms, where people place web servers, so
>>> the only humans using the machines, other than people browsing the web
>>> sites, would be the individual web site admins, so other than maybe
>>> somoene trying to use a Web proxy from work to hide what they are
>>> doing from the boss, I don't think I would be impacting that many users.
>>>
>>> Like I said, blocking all traffic from those three data centers has cut
>>> the problem of people posting porn links down to almost nothing. I
>>> get maybe a handful a day, but not the dozens a day I was getting.
>>> I don't think I will see anymore from folks like SuperXXXPorn
>>> or BestinWeb. I got them stopped dead in their tracks.
>>>
>>> If you are running any servers hosted at the datacenters of Inhoster,
>>> Keymachine, or FDC servers, you better check and see that
>>> your servers have not been compromised by these people that
>>> are doing this. 99.9 percent of the traffic that was posting porn
>>> links were coming from compromised machines at these data
>>> centers. And there is no POSSIBLE way I could have
>>> discovered this without using a main page translated to HTML
>>> and having all the traffic logged with StatCounter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Apache logs much?
>>
>> There are plenty of good utilities to view these logs: analog, awstats and
>> webalizer just to name a few.
>
>
> Ah, but with StatCounter, I get much more detailed information. I can find
> out what
> search engines they linked on, what keywords were used, I also get
> information on
> what browser, operating system, and even what screen resolution was used.
> None
> of the products you mentioned can do that.
>
>
>

Wrong.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 15:15:47 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 17:36:05 von Michael Fesser

..oO(Chilly8)

>"Michael" wrote in message
>news:475759e0$0$18454$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>
>> Apache logs much?
>>
>> There are plenty of good utilities to view these logs: analog, awstats and
>> webalizer just to name a few.
>
>
>Ah, but with StatCounter, I get much more detailed information. I can find
>out what
>search engines they linked on, what keywords were used, I also get
>information on
>what browser, operating system, and even what screen resolution was used.
>None
>of the products you mentioned can do that.

AWStats can do, even if some of these informations (screen res for
example) are pretty useless or unreliable, because they require
JavaScript on the pages to get these informations from the client.

Micha

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 17:36:05 von Michael Fesser

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 23:33:05 von unknown

Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)

Re: HTML portion

am 06.12.2007 23:33:05 von unknown

Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)

Re: HTML portion

am 07.12.2007 00:49:46 von Norman Peelman

Chilly8 wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> news:Ze6dnUvZ38qZgMvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>
>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
>>>> Just the expedient one.
>>>
>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>> mentioned
>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>> compromised
>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be possible
>>> that
>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> There are lots of other answers to the problem. Some have been listed
>> right here. And none of them involve blocking a whole range of IP
>> addresses.
>
> By blocking them at the firewall level, it will appear the spammers using
> the compromised machines at FDC, inHoster, and Keymachine that my
> site went down, since they will get the 404 Server Not Found. It will
> appear on their end that my site went down, and they will NEVER
> figure out what I did. I figure they will go away after a while. I have
> SuperXXXPorn and BestInWeb stopped DEAD IN THEIR TRACKS.
> I have them totally outsmarted, adn they will NEVER figure out what
> happened.
>
>
>

I've given up watching CSI Miami just to watch this thread...
entertainment at it finest (2nd only to OMH).

---
Norm

Re: HTML portion

am 07.12.2007 00:49:46 von Norman Peelman

Re: HTML portion

am 07.12.2007 07:08:23 von Michael

Chilly8 wrote:
> "Michael" wrote in message
> news:475759e0$0$18454$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>> news:Ze6dnUvZ38qZgMvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right
>>>>>> answer. Just the expedient one.
>>>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>>>> mentioned
>>>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>>>> compromised
>>>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be
>>>>> possible that
>>>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> There are lots of other answers to the problem. Some have been listed
>>>> right here. And none of them involve blocking a whole range of IP
>>>> addresses.
>>> Well, these are all just server farms, where people place web servers, so
>>> the only humans using the machines, other than people browsing the web
>>> sites, would be the individual web site admins, so other than maybe
>>> somoene trying to use a Web proxy from work to hide what they are
>>> doing from the boss, I don't think I would be impacting that many users.
>>>
>>> Like I said, blocking all traffic from those three data centers has cut
>>> the problem of people posting porn links down to almost nothing. I
>>> get maybe a handful a day, but not the dozens a day I was getting.
>>> I don't think I will see anymore from folks like SuperXXXPorn
>>> or BestinWeb. I got them stopped dead in their tracks.
>>>
>>> If you are running any servers hosted at the datacenters of Inhoster,
>>> Keymachine, or FDC servers, you better check and see that
>>> your servers have not been compromised by these people that
>>> are doing this. 99.9 percent of the traffic that was posting porn
>>> links were coming from compromised machines at these data
>>> centers. And there is no POSSIBLE way I could have
>>> discovered this without using a main page translated to HTML
>>> and having all the traffic logged with StatCounter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Apache logs much?
>>
>> There are plenty of good utilities to view these logs: analog, awstats and
>> webalizer just to name a few.
>
>
> Ah, but with StatCounter, I get much more detailed information. I can find
> out what
> search engines they linked on, what keywords were used, I also get
> information on
> what browser, operating system, and even what screen resolution was used.
> None
> of the products you mentioned can do that.
>
>

Read up about them before you state what they can and can't do.
StatCounter and all those other online solutions are seriously flawed.

Here are the cons of StatCounter:
- Commercial Software
- Relies on JavaScript
- Can only track files that JavaScript is embedded in
- Your information is kept with a Third Party

Awstats does everything statcounter can do as far as I know.

- Michael

Re: HTML portion

am 07.12.2007 07:08:23 von Michael

Chilly8 wrote:
> "Michael" wrote in message
> news:475759e0$0$18454$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>> news:Ze6dnUvZ38qZgMvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right
>>>>>> answer. Just the expedient one.
>>>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>>>> mentioned
>>>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>>>> compromised
>>>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be
>>>>> possible that
>>>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> There are lots of other answers to the problem. Some have been listed
>>>> right here. And none of them involve blocking a whole range of IP
>>>> addresses.
>>> Well, these are all just server farms, where people place web servers, so
>>> the only humans using the machines, other than people browsing the web
>>> sites, would be the individual web site admins, so other than maybe
>>> somoene trying to use a Web proxy from work to hide what they are
>>> doing from the boss, I don't think I would be impacting that many users.
>>>
>>> Like I said, blocking all traffic from those three data centers has cut
>>> the problem of people posting porn links down to almost nothing. I
>>> get maybe a handful a day, but not the dozens a day I was getting.
>>> I don't think I will see anymore from folks like SuperXXXPorn
>>> or BestinWeb. I got them stopped dead in their tracks.
>>>
>>> If you are running any servers hosted at the datacenters of Inhoster,
>>> Keymachine, or FDC servers, you better check and see that
>>> your servers have not been compromised by these people that
>>> are doing this. 99.9 percent of the traffic that was posting porn
>>> links were coming from compromised machines at these data
>>> centers. And there is no POSSIBLE way I could have
>>> discovered this without using a main page translated to HTML
>>> and having all the traffic logged with StatCounter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Apache logs much?
>>
>> There are plenty of good utilities to view these logs: analog, awstats and
>> webalizer just to name a few.
>
>
> Ah, but with StatCounter, I get much more detailed information. I can find
> out what
> search engines they linked on, what keywords were used, I also get
> information on
> what browser, operating system, and even what screen resolution was used.
> None
> of the products you mentioned can do that.
>
>

Read up about them before you state what they can and can't do.
StatCounter and all those other online solutions are seriously flawed.

Here are the cons of StatCounter:
- Commercial Software
- Relies on JavaScript
- Can only track files that JavaScript is embedded in
- Your information is kept with a Third Party

Awstats does everything statcounter can do as far as I know.

- Michael

Re: HTML portion

am 07.12.2007 07:10:12 von Michael

Norman Peelman wrote:
> Chilly8 wrote:
>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>> news:Ze6dnUvZ38qZgMvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>>
>>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right
>>>>> answer. Just the expedient one.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>>> mentioned
>>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>>> compromised
>>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be
>>>> possible that
>>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There are lots of other answers to the problem. Some have been
>>> listed right here. And none of them involve blocking a whole range
>>> of IP addresses.
>>
>> By blocking them at the firewall level, it will appear the spammers using
>> the compromised machines at FDC, inHoster, and Keymachine that my
>> site went down, since they will get the 404 Server Not Found. It will
>> appear on their end that my site went down, and they will NEVER
>> figure out what I did. I figure they will go away after a while. I have
>> SuperXXXPorn and BestInWeb stopped DEAD IN THEIR TRACKS.
>> I have them totally outsmarted, adn they will NEVER figure out what
>> happened.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I've given up watching CSI Miami just to watch this thread...
> entertainment at it finest (2nd only to OMH).
>
> ---
> Norm

LOL I second that.

Re: HTML portion

am 07.12.2007 07:10:12 von Michael

Re: HTML portion

am 07.12.2007 14:42:08 von unknown

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Re: HTML portion

am 07.12.2007 14:48:54 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:38:23 +1030, Michael
wrote:

>Chilly8 wrote:
>> "Michael" wrote in message
>> news:475759e0$0$18454$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>> news:Ze6dnUvZ38qZgMvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only
>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right
>>>>>>> answer. Just the expedient one.
>>>>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>>>>> compromised
>>>>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be
>>>>>> possible that
>>>>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>>>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>>>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>>>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>>>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of other answers to the problem. Some have been listed
>>>>> right here. And none of them involve blocking a whole range of IP
>>>>> addresses.
>>>> Well, these are all just server farms, where people place web servers, so
>>>> the only humans using the machines, other than people browsing the web
>>>> sites, would be the individual web site admins, so other than maybe
>>>> somoene trying to use a Web proxy from work to hide what they are
>>>> doing from the boss, I don't think I would be impacting that many users.
>>>>
>>>> Like I said, blocking all traffic from those three data centers has cut
>>>> the problem of people posting porn links down to almost nothing. I
>>>> get maybe a handful a day, but not the dozens a day I was getting.
>>>> I don't think I will see anymore from folks like SuperXXXPorn
>>>> or BestinWeb. I got them stopped dead in their tracks.
>>>>
>>>> If you are running any servers hosted at the datacenters of Inhoster,
>>>> Keymachine, or FDC servers, you better check and see that
>>>> your servers have not been compromised by these people that
>>>> are doing this. 99.9 percent of the traffic that was posting porn
>>>> links were coming from compromised machines at these data
>>>> centers. And there is no POSSIBLE way I could have
>>>> discovered this without using a main page translated to HTML
>>>> and having all the traffic logged with StatCounter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Apache logs much?
>>>
>>> There are plenty of good utilities to view these logs: analog, awstats and
>>> webalizer just to name a few.
>>
>>
>> Ah, but with StatCounter, I get much more detailed information. I can find
>> out what
>> search engines they linked on, what keywords were used, I also get
>> information on
>> what browser, operating system, and even what screen resolution was used.
>> None
>> of the products you mentioned can do that.
>>
>>
>
>Read up about them before you state what they can and can't do.
>StatCounter and all those other online solutions are seriously flawed.
>
>Here are the cons of StatCounter:
> - Commercial Software
> - Relies on JavaScript
> - Can only track files that JavaScript is embedded in
> - Your information is kept with a Third Party
>
>Awstats does everything statcounter can do as far as I know.

What's with your fear of javascript (do note the lack of capitals)?

I mean:
http://www.backwater-productions.net:2082/frontend/lp/stats/ lastvistors.html

By all indications having javascript and having it enabled is pretty
much the norm. In fact I'd be willing to bet that most of that 6%
figure is from bots that are spidering page content.

And it certainly is not unreasonable to expect visitors to have
javascript and to have it enabled if it means being able to offer a
more design rich environment, especially if that environment has been
specifically designed to enhance page content.

To always try and cater to the lowest common denominator (that 6%) is
VERY foolish, especially in business where you want to push most of
your resources into things that will have the LARGEST positive impact
on your business (getting the most bang for your buck). Generally the
ONLY people who are against the practice are those who are foolish
enough to disable javascript and somehow think that the rest of the
world should have to cater to THEIR personal preferences. But when it
comes right down to it, which is more important...trying to entice 6
people to come and buy something from your store...or trying to entice
NINETY FOUR people to come and buy something from your store.

The only time in which that logic doesn't hold true is in the RARE
exception of perhaps having a site that sells brail screen readers to
the blind, in which case you are marketing a product that is only
useful to the lowest common denominator.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: HTML portion

am 07.12.2007 14:48:54 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: HTML portion

am 07.12.2007 18:04:30 von eclipsme

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>

> To always try and cater to the lowest common denominator (that 6%) is
> VERY foolish, especially in business where you want to push most of
> your resources into things that will have the LARGEST positive impact
> on your business (getting the most bang for your buck). Generally the
> ONLY people who are against the practice are those who are foolish
> enough to disable javascript and somehow think that the rest of the
> world should have to cater to THEIR personal preferences. But when it
> comes right down to it, which is more important...trying to entice 6
> people to come and buy something from your store...or trying to entice
> NINETY FOUR people to come and buy something from your store.

If I can entice the 6% without loosing the 94% - well, that is the way I
would want to go.

Harvey

Re: HTML portion

am 07.12.2007 18:04:30 von eclipsme

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 06:08:03 von chilly8

Some of the bots somehow get around CAPTCHA.
I backed up and removed my phpBB from its
directory, and I am watching in the logs to see
where they attempt to register, and I do see the
bots trying to access the non-exisent registration
page. I cam block out all the IP addresses of these
bots once and for all, then I can restore the
BBS, and will never have to deal with those
porn-bots again.
..

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 06:08:03 von chilly8

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 09:31:09 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:08:03 -0800, "Chilly8"
wrote:

>
>Some of the bots somehow get around CAPTCHA.

Most of the ones getting around it are using nyah:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307396,00.html?sPage=fnc .scitech/cybersecurity

....quite clever really.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 09:31:09 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 10:13:12 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:57:47 -0500, eclipsme
wrote:

>Well, if you begin by building pages that can run without java script
>from the beginning it is not an issue.

And that's a great way of limiting what you can do...but then again if
you're not all that good at web design to begin with, well, it may not
really matter much.

>I recently started learning php
>for just this reason. I wanted to pass a variable from one page to a
>form on another.

Sounds rather deficient.

>I found many java scripts

....I think you mean "javascripts", unless you're talking about Java
now (which doesn't have anything to do at all with what we're talking
about).

>that would do this, but found
>it rather simple (once I learned how) to include a snippet of php in the
>form to accept the variable. Voila! Anytime I want to do similar, I know
>how - no added investment at all. Of course, php being server side, I
>have no worries about it not working in *any* browser with *any*
>configuration.

And as fucking stupid and amateurish as you sound I'm sure it didn't
even cross your fumbling imagination that server side scripting is NOT
always such a great idea, for one it eats up YOUR server's resources,
it can be far slower in various situations and it also equates to more
wear and tear on your server's hardware. For small time applications
it may not be that big a deal, but when you start hittin in the big
leagues...yeah, you gotta get yer head out of yer ass and start
looking at the big picture (like what would happen if 500 users
simultaneously visited your site and all accessed some high level PHP
scripts).

>Granted, there are times that javascript is just what needs to be. A
>client wants a horizontal drop down menu - it can be done in FF with
>just css but not IE, so a small js program is needed. If I could find a
>script in php I would use it, but couldn't. So I have to provide other
>links on the page for those with js turned off. Not a terrible trade
>off, at least to me.

Using Flash in a case like that would likely be a far better (more
cross compatible) method.

I think of it like this...we have ramps where there are steps...we
have them for handicapped people in wheel chairs and people who can't
walk well due to old age, injury, etc. HOWEVER...those are things
that people have no direct control over. I mean if you're 83 years
old and ridin around in a Power Scooter cause you can't walk on your
own anymore...yeah, you don't have a choice. If your users don't have
any choice, if there's no way for them to install/enable javascript on
their system...then, and ONLY THEN does it actually become a necessity
to include ANY type of fall back. Cause otherwise you're just
catering to self inflicted stupidity without reason. Really, the ONLY
group online who can even claim such an actual need would be blind
persons...but then again, if your product is visual based...yeah,
blind consumers may not even make your list as far as target markets
go.

>I prefer striving for accessibility and standards. I also learn more
>that way for next time. JMHO

Which is complete and total fucking bullshit that you slurped up off
some dimwit community college level web design course. First of all,
there ARE NO "standards", there are RECOMMENDED "standards" that, huh,
no browser maker actually fully adheres to. So if no browser maker is
following these W3C RECOMMENDED "standards"...yeah, they're not
standard (unless you're an amateur level dipshit who doesn't know what
the fuck he's babbling about).

Furthermore, since no browser maker actually fully adheres to the
recommended "standards" you will actually achieve far LESS
accessibility by following them. In fact, many of the MOST cross
browser and cross operating system compatible methods won't validate
at all.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 10:13:12 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 14:37:16 von Dave Pyles

On 12/19/2007 12:08 AM, Chilly8 wrote:
> Some of the bots somehow get around CAPTCHA.
> I backed up and removed my phpBB from its
> directory, and I am watching in the logs to see
> where they attempt to register, and I do see the
> bots trying to access the non-exisent registration
> page. I cam block out all the IP addresses of these
> bots once and for all, then I can restore the
> BBS, and will never have to deal with those
> porn-bots again.
> .
>
>
If you REALLY want want to get rid of the spam bots from your phpBB, go
to the phpBB forum pages and search GMT-12. Since I tried what is
suggested there some months ago, I haven't had a single spam bot
register on the phpBBs that I maintain.

If you want to waste your time blocking IP addresses, that's up to you.

Dave Pyles

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 14:37:16 von Dave Pyles

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 15:22:27 von Hans-Peter Sauer

And quite a interesting challenge as even introducing something like a
time limit to enter the captcha would make no difference .

Stopping the spam bot from grabbing the chaptcha image (and using it in
the strip tease app) would appear to be the only way to beat it .

Displaying several captcha images with a human being able to pick out
what one should be used is easy enough - but even that would only cut
the amount of sucsessful spam bot entrys as the spam bot would grab all
the captcha images and give a different image to different users .

<8hlhm398b63u4a4ephidh9fh809r0o1616@4ax.com>

> >Some of the bots somehow get around CAPTCHA.
>
> Most of the ones getting around it are using nyah:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307396,00.html?sPage=fnc .scitech/cybersecurity
>
> ...quite clever really.
>

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 15:22:27 von Hans-Peter Sauer

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 15:50:35 von Steve

"Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message
news:mmlhm31jljk7lbd84o12hoh4kg0j0hpa8m@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:57:47 -0500, eclipsme
> wrote:
>
> For small time applications

like these, for example:

> http://www.backwater-productions.net
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 15:50:35 von Steve

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 16:05:52 von Steve

"Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message
news:tqvcl3t38ndk471vucmckqe69anu2nh0aq@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:25:48 +1030, Michael
> wrote:
>
>>Chilly8 wrote:
>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>
>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
>>>> Just the expedient one.
>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>> mentioned
>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>> compromised
>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be
>>> possible
>>> that
>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>With your logic, why don't you block the entire internet... you know,
>>seeing a majority of spam comes from the internet and all.
>>
>>Granted this is where your spam is coming from RIGHT NOW, it wont be in
>>a few weeks time. But thats okay, you will just block those IPs as well!
>> When you have thousands of blocked IP ranges, are you going to
>>periodically check them, to see if they have been re-allocated to some
>>poor ISP?
>>
>>It is your site, but you should really consider other options.
>>
>> - Michael
>
> Well, I for one don't really give a fuck. I mean if he wants to cut
> off his nose to spite his face...let him. Further if you and he are
> ever applying for a job and the interviewer asks for examples of sites
> you've done that employ spam prevention techniques...guess which one
> of you is gonna get the job?

dude, jerry teaches. that means his job is not dependant on first-hand
knowledge of the pitfalls of making bad decisions. he gets to research and
reherse what he's going to say (theoretically) works. he's probably a good
teacher. as for pragmatism and solutions that require inventiveness, he's
not your guy. i doubt he will ever enter the cut-throught world of
consulting again...outside of teaching. that's despite the fact that he is a
competent developer.

> And really, in his case, I don't think it's a matter of him "not
> liking" catcha images so much as he simply has no level of skill and
> therefore does not comprehend how to even setup such a system
> (especially not with whatever prefab cookie cutter piece of shit
> Webbie board he's ripped off). He probably could have gotten better
> help (as far as his actual situation) if he told everyone right from
> the start that he had no coding ability and was simply using a
> template jobbie.

again, omh, having said all those harsh things about jerry...i am still
convenced that the league he's in and the league you're in are seperated by
light-years. in fact, your skill level is demonstratively lower than than a
person, having no computer skills at all, perusing barnes and noble and just
picked up a 'beginning php' book to gloss over it...and not just for the
simple fact that he can read it.

and as for your 6% of the visitors to your site, it's sad. 100% of the
visitors to your site are the imaginary entities in your head...and you've
got disention in the ranks. ROFL.

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 16:05:52 von Steve

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 21:10:50 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:03:52 +0200, Sir Robin
wrote:

>Indeed - personally I havent found a single - not a single - reason to
>use (and requite support of it from the users web-client) javascript
>on a webpage that is worth of loss of the users there will be.
>
>Can someone give me one? Just one?

You're a moron...but please, stay that way...less competition for
those like myself. ^_^

>Hell, even today _most_ of the webpages of big corporations who you
>would not think to give a shit about lynx, links or older versions of
>dillo for example ARE viewable and usable with these browsers if you,
>for some reason, have nothing else available for browsing their pages.

Actually you moron, those sites that do degrade to a fall back version
(like my primary site) are meant for Blackberries and other hand held
systems...Lynx doesn't ever even enter the equation.

>So what would be good enough reason to shut the door from users who
>have a browser with no suppoer for javascript or javascript disabled?
>Anyone?

....the fact that such a browser doesn't exist. I mean you can try and
claim Lynx...but uh...Lynx isn't really a web browser by today's
standards...it's just not. Trying to surf the Internet with Lynx
would be like trying to surf the Internet with a Commodore 64. And
Lynx certainly is NOT the browser of choice for blind people, who
often use Internet Explorer along with the Windows screen reader (good
'ol Sam).

Simply put...there's no reason at ALL why you should have javascript
disabled...and pretty much almost no one does (aside from a few fruit
loops who think it's like some evul government plot to infect their
dumbass with SARS or whatever). And if you're looking at your web
stats and seeing numbers like 5 to 10% having it
disabled...yeah...check the agent string you dumbfuck, THOSE ARE BOTS!
Dum, dum, dum, dum...

>>Granted, there are times that javascript is just what needs to be. A
>>client wants a horizontal drop down menu - it can be done in FF with
>>just css but not IE, so a small js program is needed.

>In which case (btw, I never do drop down menus on webpages)

Of course you don't, you seem very much to be an "Amish of the
Internet". I'm entirely certain the whole idea of a drop down menu
just scares the living shit out of you, huh?

>I would
>use a simple php script to provide a page with javascript for those
>whose browser tells them to be IE and the normal version for
>others....

....you have no idea how fucking stupid that makes you sound, do you?

>Oh well, when it comes to reality, I would not do this at all... I
>would create a page that will look good on graphical and text-based
>clients - from the most packed-up ones to those that support only what
>is absolutely necessary to show a html-page (ie. lynx).

Lynx is a DEAD browser that reached its peak more than a DECADE ago.
It's not relevant AT ALL at this point (besides being used as a
failing crutch for morons like you to try and support your Amish
inspired stupidity).

>>I prefer striving for accessibility and standards. I also learn more
>>that way for next time. JMHO

>Excellent. Props to you! :)

Yeah, RECOMMENDED "standards" that NO ONE actually adheres to. DUM,
DUM, DUM, DUM, DUM...think slow now, don't hurt yourself.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 21:10:50 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 21:20:58 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:50:35 -0600, "Steve"
wrote:

>
>"Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message
>news:mmlhm31jljk7lbd84o12hoh4kg0j0hpa8m@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:57:47 -0500, eclipsme
>> wrote:
>>
>> For small time applications
>
>like these, for example:
>
>> http://www.backwater-productions.net
>> http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
>

LOL, you dumbfuck. My sites may not be on the terabit level of user
usage, but the level they are at (which is clockin at around 1.5
million unique users a month) is enough to where even *I* have to
think real carefully whenever I even consider using PHP. Especially
on sites like the sprite generator, where I had to stop making updates
to it because the level of traffic was choking the server to death.
I'm currently working on a newer version of the site that will rely
less on PHP and has more stream-lined code to ensure greater
stability...hopefully enough that I can start updating it again with
new parts.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 21:20:58 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 21:21:17 von Michael Fesser

Just for fun (I know, don't feed the trolls) ...

..oO(Onideus Mad Hatter)

>On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:03:52 +0200, Sir Robin
>
>>Hell, even today _most_ of the webpages of big corporations who you
>>would not think to give a shit about lynx, links or older versions of
>>dillo for example ARE viewable and usable with these browsers if you,
>>for some reason, have nothing else available for browsing their pages.
>
>Actually you moron, those sites that do degrade to a fall back version
>(like my primary site) are meant for Blackberries and other hand held
>systems...Lynx doesn't ever even enter the equation.

Wrong.

>>So what would be good enough reason to shut the door from users who
>>have a browser with no suppoer for javascript or javascript disabled?
>>Anyone?
>
>...the fact that such a browser doesn't exist.

Wrong, as usual.

>I mean you can try and
>claim Lynx...but uh...Lynx isn't really a web browser by today's
>standards...it's just not.

Wrong again. Lynx is more standards-compliant than IE.

>Trying to surf the Internet with Lynx
>would be like trying to surf the Internet with a Commodore 64.

Nope, it's like surfing from the POV of a search engine.

>Simply put...there's no reason at ALL why you should have javascript
>disabled...

Wrong again. The heavy abuse of JS on many websites is reason enough to
disable or at least restrict it.

>and pretty much almost no one does (aside from a few fruit
>loops who think it's like some evul government plot to infect their
>dumbass with SARS or whatever). And if you're looking at your web
>stats and seeing numbers like 5 to 10% having it
>disabled

You can't reliably see that from any stats.

>...yeah...check the agent string you dumbfuck, THOSE ARE BOTS!
>Dum, dum, dum, dum...

Actually, providing accessible and usable websites is for people who
have something to say. So don't worry, it's not an issue for you, kiddy.

>>Oh well, when it comes to reality, I would not do this at all... I
>>would create a page that will look good on graphical and text-based
>>clients - from the most packed-up ones to those that support only what
>>is absolutely necessary to show a html-page (ie. lynx).
>
>Lynx is a DEAD browser that reached its peak more than a DECADE ago.

That's not the point. Such browsers show whether a website is usable or
just binary garbage. If it doesn't work in Lynx, the site is crap. It's
that simple.

Micha

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 21:21:17 von Michael Fesser

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 21:35:46 von Steve

"Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message
news:11vim39dtr6b16edu0c7nhpc09136398vk@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:50:35 -0600, "Steve"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message
>>news:mmlhm31jljk7lbd84o12hoh4kg0j0hpa8m@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:57:47 -0500, eclipsme
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> For small time applications
>>
>>like these, for example:
>>
>>> http://www.backwater-productions.net
>>> http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
>>
>
> LOL, you dumbfuck. My sites may not be on the terabit level of user
> usage, but the level they are at (which is clockin at around 1.5
> million unique users a month) is enough to where even *I* have to
> think real carefully whenever I even consider using PHP. Especially
> on sites like the sprite generator, where I had to stop making updates
> to it because the level of traffic was choking the server to death.
> I'm currently working on a newer version of the site that will rely
> less on PHP and has more stream-lined code to ensure greater
> stability...hopefully enough that I can start updating it again with
> new parts.

and how are you determining unique users? your site does NOT employ a user
login for your sprite generator. by ip address? yeah, on my first site i was
pretty pumped that in short order i too had million hits. that is, until i
started resolving the ip address to a name only to find the bulk of them
were web crawlers and search engines doing a routine indexing of my site.
you'd do well to mention the analysis package you're using and/or
methodology you employ. you may just be getting a woody for now reason.

as for you sprite generator, i cannot mention how important it is that
*several* others have told you and showed you (by hacking your flash site
and posting your source code, i might add) how terrible inefficiently your
programming is. i suspect your code chokes your site more than the traffic.
you're just recognizing that the way you employ flash is not conducive to
scaling.

aside from the fact that you have to 'think real carefully' any time you are
about to do something, the way you program php or flash has NOTHING to do
with EITHER of them being deficient. hint, it ain't the tool you're using to
program...it's the loose nut on your keyboard.

finally, i'd sure be interested in this new version...just to see what you
consider 'stream-lined' and to see how far from the actual definition it is.
a separation measured in light-years, once again.

yours truly...and, you're happily being added back into my kill-file.

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 21:35:46 von Steve

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 22:37:48 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:21:17 +0100, Michael Fesser
wrote:

>Just for fun (I know, don't feed the trolls) ...

Masochist much?

>>Actually you moron, those sites that do degrade to a fall back version
>>(like my primary site) are meant for Blackberries and other hand held
>>systems...Lynx doesn't ever even enter the equation.

>Wrong.

*Hatter licks the salty tears streaming off yer butter ball cheeks*

Cry some more for me, Mikey.

>>>So what would be good enough reason to shut the door from users who
>>>have a browser with no suppoer for javascript or javascript disabled?
>>>Anyone?

>>...the fact that such a browser doesn't exist.

>Wrong, as usual.

Then let's see you list them! And no, Lynx doesn't count. Oh, I'm
sorry, was that going to be your ONLY example? LOL

>>I mean you can try and
>>claim Lynx...but uh...Lynx isn't really a web browser by today's
>>standards...it's just not.

>Wrong again. Lynx is more standards-compliant than IE.

....wow...just WOW! I mean if you hadn't made an idiot of yourself
before...boy that just takes the cake right there. You oughtta tag
that lil quote onto yer resume, Peaches, that way any potential
employers will know right away what a fuckin retard you are.

>>Trying to surf the Internet with Lynx
>>would be like trying to surf the Internet with a Commodore 64.

>Nope, it's like surfing from the POV of a search engine.

Nope, nope, nope...sorry dumbfuck, but pretty much ALL modern search
engines have the capability to parse pages with javascript in them,
hell they can even spider text content in Flash files fer fuck sake.
See that's the problem with retards like you though...it's like you
learned something back in...oh like last decade...and then you just
never went beyond that. It never the fuck even occured to you, as
stupid as you are, that THINGS CHANGE, technology changes, what was
true one day will not be true the next. From your perspective it's
like you're trapped in 1996 and every failing argument you can come up
with is based on technology up to that year (but never reaching beyond
it)...this is whay you're always wrong...and it's also the reason why
no one in their right mind would ever hire you for a web development
position.

>>Simply put...there's no reason at ALL why you should have javascript
>>disabled...

>Wrong again. The heavy abuse of JS on many websites is reason enough to
>disable or at least restrict it.

Which explains why other than...well you (and maybe 6 or 7 other spazy
paranoid fruit loops) are the only ones on the planet who have it
disabled. Like I explained before, that 5 to 10% figure magically
drops to nothing when you start looking at the agent string and start
seein all the low level bot activity.

>>and pretty much almost no one does (aside from a few fruit
>>loops who think it's like some evul government plot to infect their
>>dumbass with SARS or whatever). And if you're looking at your web
>>stats and seeing numbers like 5 to 10% having it
>>disabled

>You can't reliably see that from any stats.

Well, I'm sure *YOU* can't, that deficiency however is not shared
amongst the rest of us who aren't total fucking morons. Every "with
it" web developer keeps track of user activity and stats on their
server which are easily accesible at any time. And if you look at ANY
sites stats you will likely NEVER find figures above 10% as far as
having javascript disabled:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

On my sites and most of the sites of my personal colleugues we never
see javascript disabled on greater than 2% of visitors...and nearly
ALL of those are from old school bots. The remaining are most likely
fruit loops like some of you mouthy dipshits clinging to the Amish of
the Internet mentality...and really, no one cares about you...nobody.

>>...yeah...check the agent string you dumbfuck, THOSE ARE BOTS!
>>Dum, dum, dum, dum...

>Actually, providing accessible and usable websites is for people who
>have something to say. So don't worry, it's not an issue for you, kiddy.

This coming from a dumbfuck whose raping the W3C up the ass for
directions. You're the kind of college flunkie level dipshit who
thinks if he can get his sites to pass W3C validation that, that will
somehow equate to the greatest level of cross compatibility (read
accessiblity).

For morons like you, you often sacrifice design for the sake of what
you claim is accessibility. What you're too fuckin stupid to
comprehend though is that design itself directly affects accessibility
in the fact that if the design isn't any good...who the fuck is gonna
want to even look at your site? Yes, by making it glitzy and "cool"
looking you might lose three or four Amish dipshits like yourself, but
you'll GAIN THOUSANDS of people who LIKE that kind of design. Where
as if you catered to morons like yourself and presented all your sites
as plain black text on a white background...yeah...other than those
three or four retards...ain't NOBODY gonna bother visiting yer sites
for longer than it takes to start hammerin that back button.

>>>Oh well, when it comes to reality, I would not do this at all... I
>>>would create a page that will look good on graphical and text-based
>>>clients - from the most packed-up ones to those that support only what
>>>is absolutely necessary to show a html-page (ie. lynx).

>>Lynx is a DEAD browser that reached its peak more than a DECADE ago.

>That's not the point.

Yeah, Sparkles, actually it really is very much the point. You're
just far to dimwitted and slow to figure it out.

>Such browsers

What the fuck do you mean "browsers"? There is no plural here,
Dipshit. There's ONLY ONE and its makers stopped development OVER A
FUCKING DECADE AGO. The fact is if the original makers of Lynx were
creating it today it likely WOULD support javascript (as well as
pretty much everything else). It would still be text based but it
would have the ability to examine javascript code, extract links from
said code and then present them in a plain text format (same with
Flash). Of course...who the fuck would want to? I mean back in its
heyday there was actually some viable, coherent REASONS for having a
plain text browser...at this point...not so much.

>show whether a website is usable or
>just binary garbage. If it doesn't work in Lynx, the site is crap. It's
>that simple.

Only if you're trapped in 1996, Fruitcake. Those few of you that
are...you don't matter. I know that upsets you, I know you go and put
on yer "angry pants" every time you get bitch slapped with the fact
that your opinions are outdated and completely irrelevant...but other
than providing yourself as entertainment...you do no good for your
"cause". Being an Amish of the Internet is one thing...but when you
expect EVERYONE ELSE to cater to YOUR line of deficiency...that's
where you crossed the line, Downs. That's where you became this weeks
entertainment package.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 22:37:48 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 22:43:01 von chilly8

"Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message
news:8hlhm398b63u4a4ephidh9fh809r0o1616@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:08:03 -0800, "Chilly8"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Some of the bots somehow get around CAPTCHA.
>
> Most of the ones getting around it are using nyah:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307396,00.html?sPage=fnc .scitech/cybersecurity
>
> ...quite clever really.
>
> --
>
> Onideus Mad Hatter
> mhm ¹ x ¹
> http://www.backwater-productions.net
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
>
>
> Hatter Quotes
> -------------
> "You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
> best."
>
> "I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
> with it."
>
> "I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."
>
> "Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."
>
> "Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"
>
> "Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
> bad."
>
> "There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."
>
> "The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."
>
> "Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
> of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"
>
> "Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
> that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
> of its relevancy."
>
> "Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
> creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."
>
> "Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."
>
> "People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
> they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
> givin em out for free."
>
> "Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
> So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
> to their merry little mess."
>
> "There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
> horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
> their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
> sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
> images burned into their tiny little minds'."
>
> "How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
> properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."
>
> "Those who record history are those who control history."
>
> "I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
> endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
> don't get sent to me...I come for you."
>
> "Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
> tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."
>
> "Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
> function?"
>
> "Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
> Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
> indicates an increase in Webtv users."
>
> "Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
> gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

I think I have got my bot-problem pretty much
licked. I have not seen any more attempts to
use the currently unavailable registration page
for a day or two now. I just may be able to
restore the BBS sometimes this week.
The bot-masters are probably clueless that
I have blocked them, becuase my logs
are showing hundreds of blocked access
atttempts, per day, from inHoster, Keymachine,
and FDC Servers. They have obviously not
figured out that I have blocked them. That is
becuase they get will get a 404 error, indicating
that the server could not be found.

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 22:43:01 von chilly8

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 23:04:22 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:35:46 -0600, "Steve"
wrote:

>> LOL, you dumbfuck. My sites may not be on the terabit level of user
>> usage, but the level they are at (which is clockin at around 1.5
>> million unique users a month) is enough to where even *I* have to
>> think real carefully whenever I even consider using PHP. Especially
>> on sites like the sprite generator, where I had to stop making updates
>> to it because the level of traffic was choking the server to death.
>> I'm currently working on a newer version of the site that will rely
>> less on PHP and has more stream-lined code to ensure greater
>> stability...hopefully enough that I can start updating it again with
>> new parts.

>and how are you determining unique users? your site does NOT employ a user
>login for your sprite generator. by ip address? yeah, on my first site i was
>pretty pumped that in short order i too had million hits. that is, until i
>started resolving the ip address to a name only to find the bulk of them
>were web crawlers and search engines doing a routine indexing of my site.
>you'd do well to mention the analysis package you're using and/or
>methodology you employ. you may just be getting a woody for now reason.

The analysis package? LOL, I made my own, you dumbfuck. What do you
take me for some amateur level cookie cutter artist dipshit like you?
Mine pretty much looks at...well, everything. And it has a whole
variety of tools for analyzing all the collected user data. It's
still only in the beta stages so not all the functionality is present
yet (like the graphing bits) but what's there clearly shows the true
level of traffic. You can actually see the break down too based on
particular stats like their browser, resolution, etc. Not all of it
has been completed yet though. I still need to add in some tools that
can examine traffic trends based on referring URL, time of day, and
what particular files are being accessed.

Eventually when it's completed I plan to package the whole system up
and sell it off as a cookie cutter construct to lessers like yourself.

Here's a screenshot:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Scraps/Site_Tr acking_Interface_Design_Idea.png
(the numbers are just made up on there, simply for show)

>as for you sprite generator, i cannot mention how important it is that
>*several* others have told you and showed you (by hacking your flash site
>and posting your source code, i might add) how terrible inefficiently your
>programming is. i suspect your code chokes your site more than the traffic.
>you're just recognizing that the way you employ flash is not conducive to
>scaling.

The Flash end of things doesn't concern me much, Cuppycake, that's not
using *MY* resources. Although the new version is vastly more
efficient than the current one (which was originally based on someone
else's model) and goes well beyond any of the failing suggestions I've
seen around here. Most of what I've employed in the new version
(which I'm hoping to release soon) came from a private, e-mailed
conversation I had with another developer. He and I basically took a
lot of the failing ideas and concepts that deficients like yourself
presented and then came up with ways of actually implementing them in
a meaningful way.

That's generally the problem though with deficients like
yourself...you lack experience. So you make a lot of suggestions
which, from your limited perspective might actually be relevant,
however from an experienced mind they fall up short because they
adversely affect some other aspect of the design or code. So
basically he and I took your failings and then found ways of making
them work (through some fairly unconventional means I might add).

>aside from the fact that you have to 'think real carefully' any time you are
>about to do something, the way you program php or flash has NOTHING to do
>with EITHER of them being deficient. hint, it ain't the tool you're using to
>program...it's the loose nut on your keyboard.

Which is ironic since the original model for the image saving
capabilities of the sprite generator actually came from what was, at
the time, considered to be the de-facto standard way of achieving it.

And again, most of the suggestions that were presented either outright
didn't work at all, adversely affected some other aspect of the thing
or were based upon deficient ASSumptions as to how it functioned.

....not that any of that was a real surprise since all the retards like
yourself who were running at the mouth about it hadn't ever even made
such a form themselves (or if they had it was like the most extremely
basic of college flunkie level examples).

>finally, i'd sure be interested in this new version...just to see what you
>consider 'stream-lined' and to see how far from the actual definition it is.
>a separation measured in light-years, once again.

This coming from the college flunkie whose only measure of
"stream-lined" comes from the outdated shit he slurped up out of his
college text books (and mostly misinterpreted).

>yours truly...and, you're happily being added back into my kill-file.

Try and keep your blinders on tighter this time, Dumbfuck. Lest you
start fagging up my thread offshoots with your banal idiocy again.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: HTML portion

am 19.12.2007 23:04:22 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: HTML portion

am 20.12.2007 00:10:07 von Michael Fesser

..oO(Onideus Mad Hatter)

>On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:21:17 +0100, Michael Fesser
>wrote:
>
>>Just for fun (I know, don't feed the trolls) ...
>
>Masochist much?

No. I just have to play a bit with the toys in my killfile every now and
then. You know, it's like these tamagotchi thingies - from time to time
they need some love and food. Not that I would care too much actually.

>>>>So what would be good enough reason to shut the door from users who
>>>>have a browser with no suppoer for javascript or javascript disabled?
>>>>Anyone?
>
>>>...the fact that such a browser doesn't exist.
>
>>Wrong, as usual.
>
>Then let's see you list them! And no, Lynx doesn't count. Oh, I'm
>sorry, was that going to be your ONLY example? LOL

Nope.

>>>Trying to surf the Internet with Lynx
>>>would be like trying to surf the Internet with a Commodore 64.
>
>>Nope, it's like surfing from the POV of a search engine.
>
>Nope, nope, nope...sorry dumbfuck, but pretty much ALL modern search
>engines have the capability to parse pages with javascript in them,

They might be able to parse or regex some URLs out of a script, but they
don't execute it.

>hell they can even spider text content in Flash files fer fuck sake.

_If_ the text is actually stored as text in the Flash and not only as
some vector objects.

>Well, I'm sure *YOU* can't, that deficiency however is not shared
>amongst the rest of us who aren't total fucking morons. Every "with
>it" web developer keeps track of user activity and stats on their
>server which are easily accesible at any time.

So do I, but I focus on the things that are really important and can be
measured _reliably_. For anything else rolling a dice would be easier
and less time-consuming.

>And if you look at ANY
>sites stats you will likely NEVER find figures above 10% as far as
>having javascript disabled:
>http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

The first three sentences of the JS section are quite interesting.
Anyway, here's another statistic. It's German, but it's as accurate as
the one above.

http://www.darw.de/statistik/statistik-js.php

>On my sites and most of the sites of my personal colleugues we never
>see javascript disabled on greater than 2% of visitors...

And I don't have to care at all - my sites also work without JS. This
separates the competent web authors from the little scripting wannabees.

>>Actually, providing accessible and usable websites is for people who
>>have something to say. So don't worry, it's not an issue for you, kiddy.
>
>This coming from a dumbfuck whose raping the W3C up the ass for
>directions. You're the kind of college flunkie level dipshit who
>thinks if he can get his sites to pass W3C validation that, that will
>somehow equate to the greatest level of cross compatibility (read
>accessiblity).

Wrong again, honey.

>For morons like you, you often sacrifice design for the sake of what
>you claim is accessibility. What you're too fuckin stupid to
>comprehend though is that design itself directly affects accessibility
>in the fact that if the design isn't any good...who the fuck is gonna
>want to even look at your site? Yes, by making it glitzy and "cool"
>looking you might lose three or four Amish dipshits like yourself, but
>you'll GAIN THOUSANDS of people who LIKE that kind of design. Where
>as if you catered to morons like yourself and presented all your sites
>as plain black text on a white background...yeah...other than those
>three or four retards...ain't NOBODY gonna bother visiting yer sites
>for longer than it takes to start hammerin that back button.

It's quite amazing how many lines of text you need in order to say
absolutely nothing. Other trolls are more efficient.

>>Such browsers
>
>What the fuck do you mean "browsers"? There is no plural here,

There is. Lynx is not the only one.

>Dipshit. There's ONLY ONE and its makers stopped development OVER A
>FUCKING DECADE AGO.

Wrong again (didn't I say that already?). Let's see, hmm, the latest
version is from 2006-10-11. That's not exactly what I would call a
decade, but of course YMMV. And the development goes on BTW.

>The fact is if the original makers of Lynx were
>creating it today it likely WOULD support javascript (as well as
>pretty much everything else).

It could, but doesn't have to.

>It would still be text based but it
>would have the ability to examine javascript code, extract links from
>said code and then present them in a plain text format (same with
>Flash). Of course...who the fuck would want to? I mean back in its
>heyday there was actually some viable, coherent REASONS for having a
>plain text browser...at this point...not so much.

Well, some people only want to see a faked, glittering, slowly rendering
facade, while others are much more interested in the actual content.
Nothing beats a non-graphical browser (or a "normal" one with disabled
images) when it comes to download and rendering speed.

>>show whether a website is usable or
>>just binary garbage. If it doesn't work in Lynx, the site is crap. It's
>>that simple.
>
>Only if you're trapped in 1996, Fruitcake.

_Fucking_ fruitcake, please.

>Being an Amish of the Internet is one thing...but when you
>expect EVERYONE ELSE to cater to YOUR line of deficiency...that's
>where you crossed the line, Downs. That's where you became this weeks
>entertainment package.

You're welcome. It's always a pleasure for me to entertain the "lighter"
people - it's so easy to do.

Micha

Re: HTML portion

am 20.12.2007 00:10:07 von Michael Fesser

Re: HTML portion

am 21.12.2007 10:21:32 von Sir Robin

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:10:50 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:

>>Indeed - personally I havent found a single - not a single - reason to
>>use (and requite support of it from the users web-client) javascript
>>on a webpage that is worth of loss of the users there will be.
>>
>>Can someone give me one? Just one?
>
>You're a moron...but please, stay that way...less competition for
>those like myself. ^_^

Bad answer.
That, were it true, would not be a reason to user javascript but
rather an explanation for why I would be using it...

>>Hell, even today _most_ of the webpages of big corporations who you
>>would not think to give a shit about lynx, links or older versions of
>>dillo for example ARE viewable and usable with these browsers if you,
>>for some reason, have nothing else available for browsing their pages.
>
>Actually you moron, those sites that do degrade to a fall back version
>(like my primary site) are meant for Blackberries and other hand held
>systems...Lynx doesn't ever even enter the equation.

Never mind what they are "meant for" when the point is that they "are"
something...

>>So what would be good enough reason to shut the door from users who
>>have a browser with no suppoer for javascript or javascript disabled?
>>Anyone?
>
>...the fact that such a browser doesn't exist. I mean you can try and
>claim Lynx...but uh...Lynx isn't really a web browser by today's
>standards...it's just not.

With no respect to other writer and opinions like these beeing spewed
out as a holy truth, you really are not very fun...

>Trying to surf the Internet with Lynx
>would be like trying to surf the Internet with a Commodore 64.

Nope, actually if you compare lynx to a web browser that comes with
Contiki C-64 version (well, that's the only web browser I know that
exists for C-64 anyway...) you will find Lynx to be rather like a
smooth tiger.

>And Lynx certainly is NOT the browser of choice for blind people, who
>often use Internet Explorer along with the Windows screen reader (good
>'ol Sam).

I have no claims about this.

>>>Granted, there are times that javascript is just what needs to be. A
>>>client wants a horizontal drop down menu - it can be done in FF with
>>>just css but not IE, so a small js program is needed.
>
>>In which case (btw, I never do drop down menus on webpages)
>
>Of course you don't, you seem very much to be an "Amish of the
>Internet". I'm entirely certain the whole idea of a drop down menu
>just scares the living shit out of you, huh?

You are getting better towards the end =)))) LOL

>>I would
>>use a simple php script to provide a page with javascript for those
>>whose browser tells them to be IE and the normal version for
>>others....
>
>...you have no idea how fucking stupid that makes you sound, do you?

Do continue...

>>Oh well, when it comes to reality, I would not do this at all... I
>>would create a page that will look good on graphical and text-based
>>clients - from the most packed-up ones to those that support only what
>>is absolutely necessary to show a html-page (ie. lynx).
>
>Lynx is a DEAD browser that reached its peak more than a DECADE ago.
>It's not relevant AT ALL at this point (besides being used as a
>failing crutch for morons like you to try and support your Amish
>inspired stupidity).

yada yada yada, babble babble babble...

Please, do send me more of your entertainment =))) I'm loving it.

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Re: HTML portion

am 21.12.2007 10:21:32 von Sir Robin

Re: HTML portion

am 24.12.2007 17:55:56 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:10:07 +0100, Michael Fesser
wrote:

>>>Just for fun (I know, don't feed the trolls) ...

>>Masochist much?

>No. I just have to play a bit with the toys in my killfile every now and
>then. You know, it's like these tamagotchi thingies - from time to time
>they need some love and food. Not that I would care too much actually.

*nods*

I love how you have such a NEED to "explain" yourself to your, what
did you call it, oh yes, "tamagotchi thingies". Tell us Michael...are
you, are you sleeping with your "tamagotchi thingies" too? Are you
molesting them and shoving them up your ass? I mean, do tell, heck
you've already told us so much, why stop there?

>>>>...the fact that such a browser doesn't exist.

>>>Wrong, as usual.

>>Then let's see you list them! And no, Lynx doesn't count. Oh, I'm
>>sorry, was that going to be your ONLY example? LOL

>Nope.

*snicker*

Bumbles here will take the time to run the fuck at the mouth for a
paragraph worth of "explanation" for his failure to shut himself the
fuck up, but then when it comes time to actually defend his dribbling
"arguments"...oh, oops, suddenly he's all stammering and at a loss for
words. Big surprise? Nah, not really.

>>Nope, nope, nope...sorry dumbfuck, but pretty much ALL modern search
>>engines have the capability to parse pages with javascript in them,

>They might be able to parse or regex some URLs out of a script, but they
>don't execute it.

....why would they need to, you dumbfuck.

>>hell they can even spider text content in Flash files fer fuck sake.

>_If_ the text is actually stored as text in the Flash and not only as
>some vector objects.

Oh ye of little brain, why the fuck would someone do THAT?! I mean
unless maybe they were as stupid as you are and just wanted to make
their Flash file as bloated as possible...yeah...pretty much not the
fuck gonna happen.

>>Well, I'm sure *YOU* can't, that deficiency however is not shared
>>amongst the rest of us who aren't total fucking morons. Every "with
>>it" web developer keeps track of user activity and stats on their
>>server which are easily accesible at any time.

>So do I, but I focus on the things that are really important and can be
>measured _reliably_. For anything else rolling a dice would be easier
>and less time-consuming.

*pats you on the head*

It's more than obvious that you've never taken a statistics course,
Fumbles. ^_^

>>And if you look at ANY
>>sites stats you will likely NEVER find figures above 10% as far as
>>having javascript disabled:
>>http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

>The first three sentences of the JS section are quite interesting.
>Anyway, here's another statistic. It's German, but it's as accurate as
>the one above.
>
>http://www.darw.de/statistik/statistik-js.php

LOL, THE BEST example you can come up with is some unknown stain of a
German site catering specifically to antiquated browsers being run by
foreign users...right.

Of course, you OBVIOUSLY didn't translate said site since their
figures are looking at site ACCESS, not whether or not users have
javascript enabled or not. And no fuckin DUH most sites will "work"
to some level or extent without javascript enabled. The question,
that these German retards are missing, is WHAT functionality of the
site is being LOST. For example ALL of my sites will "work" without
javascript enabled...however on most of them the only thing yer gonna
get is a message telling you to install Flash and enable javascript.

>>On my sites and most of the sites of my personal colleugues we never
>>see javascript disabled on greater than 2% of visitors...

>And I don't have to care at all - my sites also work without JS. This
>separates the competent web authors from the little scripting wannabees.

Of course your sites work without javascript, you're barely floating
above the level of plain black text on a white background. It's not
as if you're even capable of presenting users with a dynamic, modern,
feature rich site.

>>>Actually, providing accessible and usable websites is for people who
>>>have something to say. So don't worry, it's not an issue for you, kiddy.

>>This coming from a dumbfuck whose raping the W3C up the ass for
>>directions. You're the kind of college flunkie level dipshit who
>>thinks if he can get his sites to pass W3C validation that, that will
>>somehow equate to the greatest level of cross compatibility (read
>>accessiblity).

>Wrong again, honey.

Your words thus far say otherwise, Sparkles. Of course, as stupid as
you are you probably don't even know what you're saying half the time.

>>For morons like you, you often sacrifice design for the sake of what
>>you claim is accessibility. What you're too fuckin stupid to
>>comprehend though is that design itself directly affects accessibility
>>in the fact that if the design isn't any good...who the fuck is gonna
>>want to even look at your site? Yes, by making it glitzy and "cool"
>>looking you might lose three or four Amish dipshits like yourself, but
>>you'll GAIN THOUSANDS of people who LIKE that kind of design. Where
>>as if you catered to morons like yourself and presented all your sites
>>as plain black text on a white background...yeah...other than those
>>three or four retards...ain't NOBODY gonna bother visiting yer sites
>>for longer than it takes to start hammerin that back button.

>It's quite amazing how many lines of text you need in order to say
>absolutely nothing. Other trolls are more efficient.

Try it with more RITALIN next time, maybe it'll say more than nothing,
Sparkles. I'm sorry, but I just can't be bothered to lower my writing
down to your third grade reading level.

>>>Such browsers

>>What the fuck do you mean "browsers"? There is no plural here,

>There is. Lynx is not the only one.

....and yet amazingly enough you STILL can't list them. Woah, big
surprise. *nods*

Maybe if you try searching for "home brew" projects and such you might
be able to find some 7th graders computer science project in which
they "programmed" a "web browser" capable of reading a few basic tags.
LOL

>>Dipshit. There's ONLY ONE and its makers stopped development OVER A
>>FUCKING DECADE AGO.

>Wrong again (didn't I say that already?).

You can say it 'till you turn blue in the face, Retard, it's not going
to magically make it come true.

>Let's see, hmm, the latest
>version is from 2006-10-11. That's not exactly what I would call a
>decade, but of course YMMV. And the development goes on BTW.

You confuse open source molestation with official development. The
project is DEAD outside of home brew experimenting "led" by Thomas
Dickey. And retard like yourself can download the source, fuck it all
up, stamp their dumbfuck name on it and then put it out as a "release
version"...of course, only someone equally as fuckin stupid (read
"you") would actually believe that it was an official release in any
sense of the word.

>>The fact is if the original makers of Lynx were
>>creating it today it likely WOULD support javascript (as well as
>>pretty much everything else).

>It could, but doesn't have to.

Let me translate into the language of REALITY:

"It could, but they don't have that level of skill to program it in."

HTH! ^_^

>>It would still be text based but it
>>would have the ability to examine javascript code, extract links from
>>said code and then present them in a plain text format (same with
>>Flash). Of course...who the fuck would want to? I mean back in its
>>heyday there was actually some viable, coherent REASONS for having a
>>plain text browser...at this point...not so much.

>Well, some people only want to see a faked, glittering, slowly rendering
>facade, while others are much more interested in the actual content.

Content is nothing without presentation. On a fool would think
otherwise.

>Nothing beats a non-graphical browser (or a "normal" one with disabled
>images) when it comes to download and rendering speed.

Yeah maybe if you magically traveled back to 1995 and were surfing on
a 14.4 connection, you bumbling retard. Not to mention that with most
sites the text content is shown first with the graphic content being
shown afterwards, so really, you shouldn't notice ANY difference in
speed...except for the fact that in about 1.7 seconds you'll see
images along with the text.

>>>show whether a website is usable or
>>>just binary garbage. If it doesn't work in Lynx, the site is crap. It's
>>>that simple.

>>Only if you're trapped in 1996, Fruitcake.

>_Fucking_ fruitcake, please.

You like fucking fruitcakes, eh?

>>Being an Amish of the Internet is one thing...but when you
>>expect EVERYONE ELSE to cater to YOUR line of deficiency...that's
>>where you crossed the line, Downs. That's where you became this weeks
>>entertainment package.

>You're welcome. It's always a pleasure for me to entertain the "lighter"
>people - it's so easy to do.

Autoflame Grade: A+

....it's not as much fun when the retards flame themselves, although as
we established earlier, you're obviously a masochist of some type.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: HTML portion

am 24.12.2007 17:55:56 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: HTML portion

am 24.12.2007 18:14:55 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:21:32 +0200, Sir Robin
wrote:

>>>Indeed - personally I havent found a single - not a single - reason to
>>>use (and requite support of it from the users web-client) javascript
>>>on a webpage that is worth of loss of the users there will be.
>>>
>>>Can someone give me one? Just one?

>>You're a moron...but please, stay that way...less competition for
>>those like myself. ^_^

>Bad answer.
>That, were it true, would not be a reason to user javascript but
>rather an explanation for why I would be using it...

Why would you need one? I mean, no offense or anything, but if you
HONESTLY don't know the answer to that question...well you sure the
fuck ain't no web developer, that's for certain. And unless you
dribbling lessers and wannabes want to start sending me a check for my
teaching services...yeah...I'm not gonna hold yer hand and coddle you
through the basics.

>>>Hell, even today _most_ of the webpages of big corporations who you
>>>would not think to give a shit about lynx, links or older versions of
>>>dillo for example ARE viewable and usable with these browsers if you,
>>>for some reason, have nothing else available for browsing their pages.

>>Actually you moron, those sites that do degrade to a fall back version
>>(like my primary site) are meant for Blackberries and other hand held
>>systems...Lynx doesn't ever even enter the equation.

>Never mind what they are "meant for" when the point is that they "are"
>something...

Not for long, Sunshine. Only a fool wouldn't recognize the incredible
growth and expansion of handheld computer systems, most of which are
already supporting Flash Lite and before too much longer will be
supporting the same level of desktop computing.

That's why you don't want to invest much effort into your plain text
versions, cause with the way development is headed even those handheld
systems will be able to support your full site within a year or two.
At that point there really won't be ANY reason to have plain text
sites...well unless you're catering to some assholes in a third world
country that are just now discovering the joys of x86 computing
technology. *rolls eyes*

>>>So what would be good enough reason to shut the door from users who
>>>have a browser with no suppoer for javascript or javascript disabled?
>>>Anyone?

>>...the fact that such a browser doesn't exist. I mean you can try and
>>claim Lynx...but uh...Lynx isn't really a web browser by today's
>>standards...it's just not.

>With no respect to other writer and opinions like these beeing spewed
>out as a holy truth, you really are not very fun...

Well Sparkles, if you don't like it why don't you stop pissin in yer
training panties and try to refute what I'm saying? See, it's only
the "holy truth" if you lack the capability to counter any of my
arguments. Keep learning son, keep hittin those books, maybe someday
you'll reach my level and then you can try and actually counter one of
my "holy truths". ^_^

....actually that's pretty unlikely since if you were on my level of
comprehension you would no doubt agree with me.

>>Trying to surf the Internet with Lynx
>>would be like trying to surf the Internet with a Commodore 64.

>Nope, actually if you compare lynx to a web browser that comes with
>Contiki C-64 version (well, that's the only web browser I know that
>exists for C-64 anyway...) you will find Lynx to be rather like a
>smooth tiger.

We're taking about capability here, not rendering speed. Plain text
is plain text. If Lynx can only claim to do what the C-64 browser
does but faster...well that's not really an improvement, Sunshine.
Hell if you ported the C-64 browser to a modern system I bet it'd run
just as smooth, if not even smoother than Lynx. LOL

>>And Lynx certainly is NOT the browser of choice for blind people, who
>>often use Internet Explorer along with the Windows screen reader (good
>>'ol Sam).

>I have no claims about this.

Most blind people would rather a site talk to them than have to brail
read a site manually...kind of a "no duh" argument. Extra points if
you get the "Sam" reference.

>>>>Granted, there are times that javascript is just what needs to be. A
>>>>client wants a horizontal drop down menu - it can be done in FF with
>>>>just css but not IE, so a small js program is needed.

>>>In which case (btw, I never do drop down menus on webpages)

>>Of course you don't, you seem very much to be an "Amish of the
>>Internet". I'm entirely certain the whole idea of a drop down menu
>>just scares the living shit out of you, huh?

>You are getting better towards the end =)))) LOL

....how fat are you exactly? I mean do you really have a triple chin
every time you grin? *shudder*

>>>I would
>>>use a simple php script to provide a page with javascript for those
>>>whose browser tells them to be IE and the normal version for
>>>others....

>>...you have no idea how fucking stupid that makes you sound, do you?

>Do continue...

If you weren't a retard, poser class, wannabe I wouldn't need to.
Look up "browser detection" vs "feature detection" then feel
stupid...REALLY stupid. *nods*

>>>Oh well, when it comes to reality, I would not do this at all... I
>>>would create a page that will look good on graphical and text-based
>>>clients - from the most packed-up ones to those that support only what
>>>is absolutely necessary to show a html-page (ie. lynx).

>>Lynx is a DEAD browser that reached its peak more than a DECADE ago.
>>It's not relevant AT ALL at this point (besides being used as a
>>failing crutch for morons like you to try and support your Amish
>>inspired stupidity).

>yada yada yada, babble babble babble...
>
>Please, do send me more of your entertainment =))) I'm loving it.

LOL, he's "lovin it"! Just like McDonalds!

I like how he has to continually remind us all of how much fun he's
supposedly having, cause gosh know *I* really care. Maybe I should
just stop every now and again in my posts and ask, "Hey Sparkles, are
you still having fun? Let me know if you're not and I'll to make it
more entertaining for you."

....I mean, I *AM* your online babysitter, so it's kind of my JOB to
keep you entertained, innt? ^_^

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: HTML portion

am 24.12.2007 18:14:55 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: HTML portion

am 24.12.2007 18:32:10 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:05:52 -0600, "Steve"
wrote:

>dude, jerry teaches.

WOAH! REALLY!? Holy shit, I mean, man I had *NO* idea! Thanks for
letting me know, I mean, HE TEACHES...*nods*...with a "fact" like
that, boy he *MUST* know what he's talking about.

I remember when I was in college at EWU...I had a computer science
instructor who thought unplugging components in a computer WHILE IT
WAS RUNNING was a perfectly acceptable thing to do...well, right
before he completely fried a system.

Just because you're an instructor doesn't mean you automatically know
what the fuck it is you're babbling about.

>that's despite the fact that he is a competent developer.

Your DELUSION would require some EXAMPLES in order to be called a
fact. Jerry has no site, he has no examples of any work he's
supposedly done, he has NOTHING, he IS nothing.

>> And really, in his case, I don't think it's a matter of him "not
>> liking" catcha images so much as he simply has no level of skill and
>> therefore does not comprehend how to even setup such a system
>> (especially not with whatever prefab cookie cutter piece of shit
>> Webbie board he's ripped off). He probably could have gotten better
>> help (as far as his actual situation) if he told everyone right from
>> the start that he had no coding ability and was simply using a
>> template jobbie.

>again, omh, having said all those harsh things about jerry...i am still
>convenced that the league he's in and the league you're in are seperated by
>light-years.

Look here Sunshine...your opinion...it isn't worth the shit I wiped
from my ass this morning. There is only ONE thing that matters in
this industry...what you produce. Either you run the fuck at the
mouth a whole lot like your lil friend Jerry...or you actually produce
sites and examples that show your knowledge extends past the failing
level of book slurping dipshit. Any retard can memorize a book on PHP
programming...doesn't mean you actually COMPREHEND any of it on a
WORKING level. That's a big, BIG difference...and coincidentally is
the reason why failures like Jerry are "teaching" rather than
producing websites.

>in fact, your skill level is demonstratively lower than than a
>person, having no computer skills at all, perusing barnes and noble and just
>picked up a 'beginning php' book to gloss over it...and not just for the
>simple fact that he can read it.

....I'm sorry, are you still speaking English?

>and as for your 6% of the visitors to your site, it's sad. 100% of the
>visitors to your site are the imaginary entities in your head...and you've
>got disention in the ranks. ROFL.

You know what the difference is between you and I...you pull shit out
of yer ass...and me...

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/backwater- productions.net

....yeah.

Let's see yer domain stats, Fuckwit...or are you just gonna keep
runnin at the mouth like yer moron friend Jerry? LOL

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: HTML portion

am 24.12.2007 18:32:10 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: HTML portion

am 26.12.2007 11:23:18 von Sir Robin

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:55:56 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:

>Of course, you OBVIOUSLY didn't translate said site since their
>figures are looking at site ACCESS, not whether or not users have
>javascript enabled or not. And no fuckin DUH most sites will "work"
>to some level or extent without javascript enabled. The question,
>that these German retards are missing, is WHAT functionality of the
>site is being LOST. For example ALL of my sites will "work" without
>javascript enabled...however on most of them the only thing yer gonna
>get is a message telling you to install Flash and enable javascript.

So they do "work" but they don't really work at all... Heh...

>Of course your sites work without javascript, you're barely floating
>above the level of plain black text on a white background. It's not
>as if you're even capable of presenting users with a dynamic, modern,
>feature rich site.

You can provide a rich site, you can use javascript if you do it
correctly (althought it's not necessary) and your site can be highly
accessible and easy to browse without javascript or page having
javascript but in a way that it is not necessary for viewing...

>...and yet amazingly enough you STILL can't list them. Woah, big
>surprise. *nods*
>
>Maybe if you try searching for "home brew" projects and such you might
>be able to find some 7th graders computer science project in which
>they "programmed" a "web browser" capable of reading a few basic tags.
>LOL

Ignorance is a bliss, isn't it?

>>Let's see, hmm, the latest
>>version is from 2006-10-11. That's not exactly what I would call a
>>decade, but of course YMMV. And the development goes on BTW.
>
>You confuse open source molestation with official development. The
>project is DEAD outside of home brew experimenting "led" by Thomas
>Dickey. And retard like yourself can download the source, fuck it all
>up, stamp their dumbfuck name on it and then put it out as a "release
>version"...of course, only someone equally as fuckin stupid (read
>"you") would actually believe that it was an official release in any
>sense of the word.

Zeros worth of an answer... Just "fuck you, I'm right" would had the
same message in a much sorter format ;)

>>It could, but doesn't have to.
>
>Let me translate into the language of REALITY:
>
>"It could, but they don't have that level of skill to program it in."

Oh, you know them? Oh well, nevermind, you are propably right then ;)

>>Well, some people only want to see a faked, glittering, slowly rendering
>>facade, while others are much more interested in the actual content.
>
>Content is nothing without presentation. On a fool would think
>otherwise.

Totally otherway around - presentation is nothing without content.

>>Nothing beats a non-graphical browser (or a "normal" one with disabled
>>images) when it comes to download and rendering speed.
>
>Yeah maybe if you magically traveled back to 1995 and were surfing on
>a 14.4 connection, you bumbling retard. Not to mention that with most
>sites the text content is shown first with the graphic content being
>shown afterwards, so really, you shouldn't notice ANY difference in
>speed...except for the fact that in about 1.7 seconds you'll see
>images along with the text.

Well, it does matter a LOT when I have only 4Mb connection, several
servers for different purposes running more or less
privately/publicly, many remote users, etc, etc... It most certainly
does make a different when viewing todays over-bloated sites.

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Re: HTML portion

am 26.12.2007 11:23:18 von Sir Robin

Re: HTML portion

am 26.12.2007 12:07:39 von Sir Robin

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:14:55 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:

>Why would you need one? I mean, no offense or anything, but if you
>HONESTLY don't know the answer to that question...well you sure the
>fuck ain't no web developer, that's for certain. And unless you
>dribbling lessers and wannabes want to start sending me a check for my
>teaching services...yeah...I'm not gonna hold yer hand and coddle you
>through the basics.

I know what it can be used to do - I just don't see why would you
(with the exception of very rare occasions) need it at all and when
you do need it you can in most cases go with very simple and short
script and still make your site work (and even look good) for those
who don't have javascript enabled or supported.

And I'm a web developer as well as multi-language programmer and
self-trained linux administrator (although there's still much to
learn, but for setting up and maintaining Linux+Apache+PHP+MySQL,
personal homepages, etc it's more than piece of cake).

I've made sites (nowdays just for practise) with javascript - never
one that would not work without javascript.

So where do you *need* it?

>>>Actually you moron, those sites that do degrade to a fall back version
>>>(like my primary site) are meant for Blackberries and other hand held
>>>systems...Lynx doesn't ever even enter the equation.
>
>>Never mind what they are "meant for" when the point is that they "are"
>>something...
>
>Not for long, Sunshine. Only a fool wouldn't recognize the incredible
>growth and expansion of handheld computer systems, most of which are
>already supporting Flash Lite and before too much longer will be
>supporting the same level of desktop computing.

Wan't to make a bet?

>That's why you don't want to invest much effort into your plain text
>versions, cause with the way development is headed even those handheld
>systems will be able to support your full site within a year or two.
>At that point there really won't be ANY reason to have plain text
>sites...well unless you're catering to some assholes in a third world
>country that are just now discovering the joys of x86 computing
>technology. *rolls eyes*

There are reasons to use a text-based browser... I use them now and
them eventhough firefox is 24/7 running on my desktop and always for
cases where it's actually faster and smoother to get the job done with
them. Most pages show up fine enough for my purposes in these cases.

>>With no respect to other writer and opinions like these beeing spewed
>>out as a holy truth, you really are not very fun...
>
>Well Sparkles, if you don't like it why don't you stop pissin in yer
>training panties

Because I'm not you.

>...actually that's pretty unlikely since if you were on my level of
>comprehension you would no doubt agree with me.

This certainly has to be one of the rare truths in your messages :D

>>>Trying to surf the Internet with Lynx
>>>would be like trying to surf the Internet with a Commodore 64.
>
>>Nope, actually if you compare lynx to a web browser that comes with
>>Contiki C-64 version (well, that's the only web browser I know that
>>exists for C-64 anyway...) you will find Lynx to be rather like a
>>smooth tiger.
>
>We're taking about capability here, not rendering speed. Plain text
>is plain text. If Lynx can only claim to do what the C-64 browser
>does but faster...

Nope, Lynx can do a lot more... Not to even mention Links.

>well that's not really an improvement, Sunshine.
>Hell if you ported the C-64 browser to a modern system I bet it'd run
>just as smooth, if not even smoother than Lynx. LOL

Smoother, certainly, but would not be that fun to use. You really have
no idea what Lynx can do, do you? Not to mention the browser shipped
with Contiki.... Otherwise you would know that there is no comparison
needed for seeing which one is better.

>>>Of course you don't, you seem very much to be an "Amish of the
>>>Internet". I'm entirely certain the whole idea of a drop down menu
>>>just scares the living shit out of you, huh?
>
>>You are getting better towards the end =)))) LOL
>
>...how fat are you exactly? I mean do you really have a triple chin
>every time you grin? *shudder*

I'm not american, dude.

>>>>I would
>>>>use a simple php script to provide a page with javascript for those
>>>>whose browser tells them to be IE and the normal version for
>>>>others....
>
>>>...you have no idea how fucking stupid that makes you sound, do you?
>
>>Do continue...
>
>If you weren't a retard, poser class, wannabe I wouldn't need to.
>Look up "browser detection" vs "feature detection" then feel
>stupid...REALLY stupid. *nods*

I have browser detections on most of my pages... Feature detection is
not something I have had much needs for... Mostly the browser
detection is for checking if the browser identifies itself as MSIE or
one of the most known text based browsers in case something has to be
done differently for them (mostly only MSIE needs extra work).

>I like how he has to continually remind us all of how much fun he's
>supposedly having, cause gosh know *I* really care.

You do seem to :)

> Maybe I should
>just stop every now and again in my posts and ask, "Hey Sparkles, are
>you still having fun? Let me know if you're not and I'll to make it
>more entertaining for you."
>
>...I mean, I *AM* your online babysitter, so it's kind of my JOB to
>keep you entertained, innt? ^_^

Sure is, I could not agree more :)

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Re: HTML portion

am 26.12.2007 12:07:39 von Sir Robin

Re: HTML portion

am 27.12.2007 00:13:59 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:23:18 +0200, Sir Robin
wrote:

>>Of course, you OBVIOUSLY didn't translate said site since their
>>figures are looking at site ACCESS, not whether or not users have
>>javascript enabled or not. And no fuckin DUH most sites will "work"
>>to some level or extent without javascript enabled. The question,
>>that these German retards are missing, is WHAT functionality of the
>>site is being LOST. For example ALL of my sites will "work" without
>>javascript enabled...however on most of them the only thing yer gonna
>>get is a message telling you to install Flash and enable javascript.

>So they do "work" but they don't really work at all... Heh...

They work perfectly without stupidity...as you might imagine, I'm not
really sympathetic to your "loss". ^_^

>>Of course your sites work without javascript, you're barely floating
>>above the level of plain black text on a white background. It's not
>>as if you're even capable of presenting users with a dynamic, modern,
>>feature rich site.

>You can provide a rich site, you can use javascript if you do it
>correctly (althought it's not necessary) and your site can be highly
>accessible and easy to browse without javascript or page having
>javascript but in a way that it is not necessary for viewing...

The point you keep fumbling upon is viewing vs interacting. That's
the whole basis behind those who are poser class wannabes and those
who operate at a professional/artistic level. You can make a site
VIEWABLE without much more than simple HTML in most cases...however to
make that site INTERACTIVE...well, that requires a little something
more...something more than you're capable of delivering.

Any dribbling wannabe web developer can make the Internet equivalent
of a photocopied flyer...but if you ever want to actually CREATE
something...yeah, that's far beyond your current level of
understanding.

>>...and yet amazingly enough you STILL can't list them. Woah, big
>>surprise. *nods*
>>
>>Maybe if you try searching for "home brew" projects and such you might
>>be able to find some 7th graders computer science project in which
>>they "programmed" a "web browser" capable of reading a few basic tags.
>>LOL

>Ignorance is a bliss, isn't it?

Well you would know, huh Sunshine? Do be sure and let us all know
when you finally manage to come up with an example other than Lynx,
until then, keep fumbling out the backpedals for our amusement.

>>>Let's see, hmm, the latest
>>>version is from 2006-10-11. That's not exactly what I would call a
>>>decade, but of course YMMV. And the development goes on BTW.

>>You confuse open source molestation with official development. The
>>project is DEAD outside of home brew experimenting "led" by Thomas
>>Dickey. And retard like yourself can download the source, fuck it all
>>up, stamp their dumbfuck name on it and then put it out as a "release
>>version"...of course, only someone equally as fuckin stupid (read
>>"you") would actually believe that it was an official release in any
>>sense of the word.

>Zeros worth of an answer... Just "fuck you, I'm right" would had the
>same message in a much sorter format ;)

The sad thing is that your level of reading comprehension is so
incredibly low that, that's really all the better you could get out of
what I posted.

>>>It could, but doesn't have to.

>>Let me translate into the language of REALITY:
>>
>>"It could, but they don't have that level of skill to program it in."

>Oh, you know them? Oh well, nevermind, you are propably right then ;)

I don't need to know them to know what isn't there. It's real easy
for a lesser like yourself to claim that you "just didn't want
it"...but the reality of the situation is made abundantly clear when
one bothers to look at your portfolio and they can't find ANYTHING of
that level of coding ability. So either you're a lazy,
procrastinating slop job or you just don't have the intelligence to
handle it.

>>Content is nothing without presentation. On a fool would think
>>otherwise.

>Totally otherway around - presentation is nothing without content.

LOL, you really are a child, aren't you? ^_^

There's a joke in the retail world...it goes something like...you
could easily sell a shit filled diaper to someone with the right
packaging. The point being that often times you don't need ANY
content at all in order to sell something.

Humans are EMOTIONALLY intelligent beings and "eye-candy" influences
our emotional being more than the content itself. Often times it's
more important to convey emotions and feelings than it is to try and
get someone to figure out and comprehend some complex array of
arguments and facts. Facts are meaningless without emotions.

Presentation really is everything and content only serves as a tool
that can be used back it up with. If you have nothing BUT
content...nobody really cares. The goal of every web developer should
be to make the content itself apart of the presentation, the
experience, as that's the best way of delivering your intentions.

Anything less than that is just poser class kiddie shit, looking for
excuses to make up for your lack of ability.

>>>Nothing beats a non-graphical browser (or a "normal" one with disabled
>>>images) when it comes to download and rendering speed.

>>Yeah maybe if you magically traveled back to 1995 and were surfing on
>>a 14.4 connection, you bumbling retard. Not to mention that with most
>>sites the text content is shown first with the graphic content being
>>shown afterwards, so really, you shouldn't notice ANY difference in
>>speed...except for the fact that in about 1.7 seconds you'll see
>>images along with the text.

>Well, it does matter a LOT when I have only 4Mb connection, several
>servers for different purposes running more or less
>privately/publicly, many remote users, etc, etc... It most certainly
>does make a different when viewing todays over-bloated sites.

Most over bloated sites are a direct result of fumbling wannabes like
yourself who have no idea how to build a site past the plain black
text on a white background level without fucking it all up in 38
different directions. One of my favorite forms of attack in web
development debates is to take other assholes shit and then recode the
slop so that all the base code, images, video, etc are reduced to at
~least~ 50% of their original size with NO loss in visual quality.

But then, I guess you can't be blamed entirely, it's not as if they
teach things like split form, cross format and stacked form image
encoding techniques in any college flunkie level course. Most of the
techniques I use when building a site are based on principles that
aren't even glanced at in most college level curriculums.

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-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: HTML portion

am 27.12.2007 00:13:59 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: HTML portion

am 27.12.2007 15:01:08 von Jerry Stuckle

Steve wrote:
> "Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message
> news:tqvcl3t38ndk471vucmckqe69anu2nh0aq@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:25:48 +1030, Michael
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>>
>>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
>>>>> Just the expedient one.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>>> mentioned
>>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>>> compromised
>>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be
>>>> possible
>>>> that
>>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> With your logic, why don't you block the entire internet... you know,
>>> seeing a majority of spam comes from the internet and all.
>>>
>>> Granted this is where your spam is coming from RIGHT NOW, it wont be in
>>> a few weeks time. But thats okay, you will just block those IPs as well!
>>> When you have thousands of blocked IP ranges, are you going to
>>> periodically check them, to see if they have been re-allocated to some
>>> poor ISP?
>>>
>>> It is your site, but you should really consider other options.
>>>
>>> - Michael
>> Well, I for one don't really give a fuck. I mean if he wants to cut
>> off his nose to spite his face...let him. Further if you and he are
>> ever applying for a job and the interviewer asks for examples of sites
>> you've done that employ spam prevention techniques...guess which one
>> of you is gonna get the job?
>
> dude, jerry teaches. that means his job is not dependant on first-hand
> knowledge of the pitfalls of making bad decisions. he gets to research and
> reherse what he's going to say (theoretically) works. he's probably a good
> teacher. as for pragmatism and solutions that require inventiveness, he's
> not your guy. i doubt he will ever enter the cut-throught world of
> consulting again...outside of teaching. that's despite the fact that he is a
> competent developer.
>

ROFLMAO! Try again, troll. I do more programming in a week than you do
in a year.

>> And really, in his case, I don't think it's a matter of him "not
>> liking" catcha images so much as he simply has no level of skill and
>> therefore does not comprehend how to even setup such a system
>> (especially not with whatever prefab cookie cutter piece of shit
>> Webbie board he's ripped off). He probably could have gotten better
>> help (as far as his actual situation) if he told everyone right from
>> the start that he had no coding ability and was simply using a
>> template jobbie.
>
> again, omh, having said all those harsh things about jerry...i am still
> convenced that the league he's in and the league you're in are seperated by
> light-years. in fact, your skill level is demonstratively lower than than a
> person, having no computer skills at all, perusing barnes and noble and just
> picked up a 'beginning php' book to gloss over it...and not just for the
> simple fact that he can read it.
>

ROFLMAO! Don't even understand the subject, loser.

> and as for your 6% of the visitors to your site, it's sad. 100% of the
> visitors to your site are the imaginary entities in your head...and you've
> got disention in the ranks. ROFL.
>
>
>

At least you got that right.

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Re: HTML portion

am 27.12.2007 15:01:08 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: HTML portion

am 27.12.2007 16:52:22 von Chaddy2222

On Dec 27, 10:13=A0am, Onideus Mad Hatter productions.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:23:18 +0200, Sir Robin
>
> wrote:
> >>Of course, you OBVIOUSLY didn't translate said site since their
> >>figures are looking at site ACCESS, not whether or not users have
> >>javascript enabled or not. =A0And no fuckin DUH most sites will "work"
> >>to some level or extent without javascript enabled. =A0The question,
> >>that these German retards are missing, is WHAT functionality of the
> >>site is being LOST. =A0For example ALL of my sites will "work" without
> >>javascript enabled...however on most of them the only thing yer gonna
> >>get is a message telling you to install Flash and enable javascript.
> >So they do "work" but they don't really work at all... Heh...
>
> They work perfectly without stupidity...as you might imagine, I'm not
> really sympathetic to your "loss". =A0^_^
>
> >>Of course your sites work without javascript, you're barely floating
> >>above the level of plain black text on a white background. =A0It's not
> >>as if you're even capable of presenting users with a dynamic, modern,
> >>feature rich site.
> >You can provide a rich site, you can use javascript if you do it
> >correctly (althought it's not necessary) and your site can be highly
> >accessible and easy to browse without javascript or page having
> >javascript but in a way that it is not necessary for viewing...
>
> The point you keep fumbling upon is viewing vs interacting. =A0That's
> the whole basis behind those who are poser class wannabes and those
> who operate at a professional/artistic level. =A0You can make a site
> VIEWABLE without much more than simple HTML in most cases...however to
> make that site INTERACTIVE...well, that requires a little something
> more...something more than you're capable of delivering.
>
> Any dribbling wannabe web developer can make the Internet equivalent
> of a photocopied flyer...but if you ever want to actually CREATE
> something...yeah, that's far beyond your current level of
> understanding.
>
> >>...and yet amazingly enough you STILL can't list them. =A0Woah, big
> >>surprise. =A0*nods*
>
> >>Maybe if you try searching for "home brew" projects and such you might
> >>be able to find some 7th graders computer science project in which
> >>they "programmed" a "web browser" capable of reading a few basic tags.
> >>LOL
> >Ignorance is a bliss, isn't it?
>
> Well you would know, huh Sunshine? =A0Do be sure and let us all know
> when you finally manage to come up with an example other than Lynx,
> until then, keep fumbling out the backpedals for our amusement.
>
> >>>Let's see, hmm, the latest
> >>>version is from 2006-10-11. That's not exactly what I would call a
> >>>decade, but of course YMMV. And the development goes on BTW.
> >>You confuse open source molestation with official development. =A0The
> >>project is DEAD outside of home brew experimenting "led" by Thomas
> >>Dickey. =A0And retard like yourself can download the source, fuck it all=

> >>up, stamp their dumbfuck name on it and then put it out as a "release
> >>version"...of course, only someone equally as fuckin stupid (read
> >>"you") would actually believe that it was an official release in any
> >>sense of the word.
> >Zeros worth of an answer... Just "fuck you, I'm right" would had the
> >same message in a much sorter format ;)
>
> The sad thing is that your level of reading comprehension is so
> incredibly low that, that's really all the better you could get out of
> what I posted.
>
> >>>It could, but doesn't have to.
> >>Let me translate into the language of REALITY:
>
> >>"It could, but they don't have that level of skill to program it in."
> >Oh, you know them? Oh well, nevermind, you are propably right then ;)
>
> I don't need to know them to know what isn't there. =A0It's real easy
> for a lesser like yourself to claim that you "just didn't want
> it"...but the reality of the situation is made abundantly clear when
> one bothers to look at your portfolio and they can't find ANYTHING of
> that level of coding ability. =A0So either you're a lazy,
> procrastinating slop job or you just don't have the intelligence to
> handle it.
>
> >>Content is nothing without presentation. =A0On a fool would think
> >>otherwise.
> >Totally otherway around - presentation is nothing without content.
>
> LOL, you really are a child, aren't you? =A0^_^
>
> There's a joke in the retail world...it goes something like...you
> could easily sell a shit filled diaper to someone with the right
> packaging. =A0The point being that often times you don't need ANY
> content at all in order to sell something.
>
That is true but people do get a bit sick of some things, as an
example a lot of sites are going back to a simple interface with less
flash and the like.

> Humans are EMOTIONALLY intelligent beings and "eye-candy" influences
> our emotional being more than the content itself. =A0Often times it's
> more important to convey emotions and feelings than it is to try and
> get someone to figure out and comprehend some complex array of
> arguments and facts. Facts are meaningless without emotions.
Hmmmm, all this depends on what your wanting to do with the web,
although what you suggest works well for sites like Myspace and
Youtube it would not work for say umm a site such as Vision Australia
or a site such as:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316941

>
> Presentation really is everything and content only serves as a tool
> that can be used back it up with. =A0If you have nothing BUT
> content...nobody really cares. =A0
That really depends on what the content (or rather) what the text
actually is.
But yeah I think it's odd that people flame things like flash and JS
all the time when they can actually be a good tool.
I always say that with web design / development people should use the
right tool for the job, wether that be just plain HTML or JS or
whatever.

--
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Re: HTML portion

am 27.12.2007 17:12:22 von Chaddy2222

On Dec 28, 1:01=A0am, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Steve wrote:
> > "Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message=

> >news:tqvcl3t38ndk471vucmckqe69anu2nh0aq@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:25:48 +1030, Michael
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Chilly8 wrote:
> >>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> >>>>news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> >>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networ=
ks
> >>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only =
see
> >>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
> >>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
> >>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>
> >>>>> For now. =A0But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, als=
o?
>
> >>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answ=
er.
> >>>>> Just the expedient one.
>
> >>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
> >>>> mentioned
> >>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
> >>>> compromised
> >>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be
> >>>> possible
> >>>> that
> >>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the=

> >>>> boss, might be =A0affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of=

> >>>> popular anonymity services use =A0FDC for their server needs, but
> >>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, bu=
t
> >>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>
> >>> With your logic, why don't you block the entire internet... you know,
> >>> seeing a majority of spam comes from the internet and all.
>
> >>> Granted this is where your spam is coming from RIGHT NOW, it wont be i=
n
> >>> a few weeks time. But thats okay, you will just block those IPs as wel=
l!
> >>> =A0When you have thousands of blocked IP ranges, are you going to
> >>> periodically check them, to see if they have been re-allocated to some=

> >>> poor ISP?
>
> >>> It is your site, but you should really consider other options.
>
> >>> =A0- Michael
> >> Well, I for one don't really give a fuck. =A0I mean if he wants to cut
> >> off his nose to spite his face...let him. =A0Further if you and he are
> >> ever applying for a job and the interviewer asks for examples of sites
> >> you've done that employ spam prevention techniques...guess which one
> >> of you is gonna get the job?
>
> > dude, jerry teaches. that means his job is not dependant on first-hand
> > knowledge of the pitfalls of making bad decisions. he gets to research a=
nd
> > reherse what he's going to say (theoretically) works. he's probably a go=
od
> > teacher. as for pragmatism and solutions that require inventiveness, he'=
s
> > not your guy. i doubt he will ever enter the cut-throught world of
> > consulting again...outside of teaching. that's despite the fact that he =
is a
> > competent developer.
>
> ROFLMAO! =A0Try again, troll. =A0I do more programming in a week than you =
do
> in a year.
>
>
>
>
>
You have been saying that for a while. Have you got an example that we
can view.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesignonline.org

Re: HTML portion

am 28.12.2007 02:48:44 von Jerry Stuckle

Radio Man wrote:
> On Dec 28, 1:01 am, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Steve wrote:
>>> "Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message
>>> news:tqvcl3t38ndk471vucmckqe69anu2nh0aq@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:25:48 +1030, Michael
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>>>>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
>>>>>>> Just the expedient one.
>>>>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>>>>> compromised
>>>>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be
>>>>>> possible
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>>>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>>>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>>>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>>>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>>> With your logic, why don't you block the entire internet... you know,
>>>>> seeing a majority of spam comes from the internet and all.
>>>>> Granted this is where your spam is coming from RIGHT NOW, it wont be in
>>>>> a few weeks time. But thats okay, you will just block those IPs as well!
>>>>> When you have thousands of blocked IP ranges, are you going to
>>>>> periodically check them, to see if they have been re-allocated to some
>>>>> poor ISP?
>>>>> It is your site, but you should really consider other options.
>>>>> - Michael
>>>> Well, I for one don't really give a fuck. I mean if he wants to cut
>>>> off his nose to spite his face...let him. Further if you and he are
>>>> ever applying for a job and the interviewer asks for examples of sites
>>>> you've done that employ spam prevention techniques...guess which one
>>>> of you is gonna get the job?
>>> dude, jerry teaches. that means his job is not dependant on first-hand
>>> knowledge of the pitfalls of making bad decisions. he gets to research and
>>> reherse what he's going to say (theoretically) works. he's probably a good
>>> teacher. as for pragmatism and solutions that require inventiveness, he's
>>> not your guy. i doubt he will ever enter the cut-throught world of
>>> consulting again...outside of teaching. that's despite the fact that he is a
>>> competent developer.
>> ROFLMAO! Try again, troll. I do more programming in a week than you do
>> in a year.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> You have been saying that for a while. Have you got an example that we
> can view.
> --
> Regards Chad. http://freewebdesignonline.org
>

Well, Stevie has never proven he's a programmer. He's just a poor,
unwanted person hiding behind an alias and is deathly afraid someone
will find out who he really is.

And if he were a programmer, he would know better than to post some of
the wild comments he does here. That right there makes it obvious he
doesn't know any thing about programming.

I've never seen anything correct from him that can't be found on
hundreds of websites, and lots of incorrect junk - like PHP only runs as
a CGI under IIS, you can do post redirects in PHP, and he can steal PHP
sessions. These are all comments made in the last two to three weeks,
and just the tip of the iceberg.

That says it all.

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Re: HTML portion

am 28.12.2007 02:48:44 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: HTML portion

am 28.12.2007 04:50:43 von Chaddy2222

On Dec 28, 12:48=A0pm, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Radio Man wrote:
> > On Dec 28, 1:01 am, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> >> Steve wrote:
> >>> "Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in messa=
ge
> >>>news:tqvcl3t38ndk471vucmckqe69anu2nh0aq@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:25:48 +1030, Michael
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
> >>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>>>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the netw=
orks
> >>>>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have onl=
y see
> >>>>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all=

> >>>>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
> >>>>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
> >>>>>>> For now. =A0But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, a=
lso?
> >>>>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right an=
swer.
> >>>>>>> Just the expedient one.
> >>>>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
> >>>>>> mentioned
> >>>>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
> >>>>>> compromised
> >>>>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be
> >>>>>> possible
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by t=
he
> >>>>>> boss, might be =A0affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple =
of
> >>>>>> popular anonymity services use =A0FDC for their server needs, but
> >>>>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, =
but
> >>>>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
> >>>>> With your logic, why don't you block the entire internet... you know=
,
> >>>>> seeing a majority of spam comes from the internet and all.
> >>>>> Granted this is where your spam is coming from RIGHT NOW, it wont be=
in
> >>>>> a few weeks time. But thats okay, you will just block those IPs as w=
ell!
> >>>>> =A0When you have thousands of blocked IP ranges, are you going to
> >>>>> periodically check them, to see if they have been re-allocated to so=
me
> >>>>> poor ISP?
> >>>>> It is your site, but you should really consider other options.
> >>>>> =A0- Michael
> >>>> Well, I for one don't really give a fuck. =A0I mean if he wants to cu=
t
> >>>> off his nose to spite his face...let him. =A0Further if you and he ar=
e
> >>>> ever applying for a job and the interviewer asks for examples of site=
s
> >>>> you've done that employ spam prevention techniques...guess which one
> >>>> of you is gonna get the job?
> >>> dude, jerry teaches. that means his job is not dependant on first-hand=

> >>> knowledge of the pitfalls of making bad decisions. he gets to research=
and
> >>> reherse what he's going to say (theoretically) works. he's probably a =
good
> >>> teacher. as for pragmatism and solutions that require inventiveness, h=
e's
> >>> not your guy. i doubt he will ever enter the cut-throught world of
> >>> consulting again...outside of teaching. that's despite the fact that h=
e is a
> >>> competent developer.
> >> ROFLMAO! =A0Try again, troll. =A0I do more programming in a week than y=
ou do
> >> in a year.
>
> > You have been saying that for a while. Have you got an example that we
> > can view.
> > --
> > Regards Chad.http://freewebdesignonline.org
>
> Well, Stevie has never proven he's a programmer. =A0He's just a poor,
> unwanted person hiding behind an alias and is deathly afraid someone
> will find out who he really is.
>
> And if he were a programmer, he would know better than to post some of
> the wild comments he does here. =A0That right there makes it obvious he
> doesn't know any thing about programming.
Oh you were talking about that guy. Yeah your probably right about
that.
I agree that it's pointless to block the IP's though as it's time
consumeing.

>
> I've never seen anything correct from him that can't be found on
> hundreds of websites, and lots of incorrect junk - like PHP only runs as
> a CGI under IIS, you can do post redirects in PHP, and he can steal PHP
> sessions. =A0These are all comments made in the last two to three weeks,
> and just the tip of the iceberg.
>
> That says it all.
>
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Re: HTML portion

am 28.12.2007 04:52:13 von Jerry Stuckle

Radio Man wrote:
> On Dec 28, 12:48 pm, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Radio Man wrote:
>>> On Dec 28, 1:01 am, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>> "Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message
>>>>> news:tqvcl3t38ndk471vucmckqe69anu2nh0aq@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:25:48 +1030, Michael
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>>>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only see
>>>>>>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>>>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>>>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>>>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right answer.
>>>>>>>>> Just the expedient one.
>>>>>>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>>>>>>> compromised
>>>>>>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be
>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>>>>>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>>>>>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>>>>>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>>>>>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>>>>> With your logic, why don't you block the entire internet... you know,
>>>>>>> seeing a majority of spam comes from the internet and all.
>>>>>>> Granted this is where your spam is coming from RIGHT NOW, it wont be in
>>>>>>> a few weeks time. But thats okay, you will just block those IPs as well!
>>>>>>> When you have thousands of blocked IP ranges, are you going to
>>>>>>> periodically check them, to see if they have been re-allocated to some
>>>>>>> poor ISP?
>>>>>>> It is your site, but you should really consider other options.
>>>>>>> - Michael
>>>>>> Well, I for one don't really give a fuck. I mean if he wants to cut
>>>>>> off his nose to spite his face...let him. Further if you and he are
>>>>>> ever applying for a job and the interviewer asks for examples of sites
>>>>>> you've done that employ spam prevention techniques...guess which one
>>>>>> of you is gonna get the job?
>>>>> dude, jerry teaches. that means his job is not dependant on first-hand
>>>>> knowledge of the pitfalls of making bad decisions. he gets to research and
>>>>> reherse what he's going to say (theoretically) works. he's probably a good
>>>>> teacher. as for pragmatism and solutions that require inventiveness, he's
>>>>> not your guy. i doubt he will ever enter the cut-throught world of
>>>>> consulting again...outside of teaching. that's despite the fact that he is a
>>>>> competent developer.
>>>> ROFLMAO! Try again, troll. I do more programming in a week than you do
>>>> in a year.
>>> You have been saying that for a while. Have you got an example that we
>>> can view.
>>> --
>>> Regards Chad.http://freewebdesignonline.org
>> Well, Stevie has never proven he's a programmer. He's just a poor,
>> unwanted person hiding behind an alias and is deathly afraid someone
>> will find out who he really is.
>>
>> And if he were a programmer, he would know better than to post some of
>> the wild comments he does here. That right there makes it obvious he
>> doesn't know any thing about programming.
> Oh you were talking about that guy. Yeah your probably right about
> that.
> I agree that it's pointless to block the IP's though as it's time
> consumeing.
>

Definitely. Not only time consuming, but almost endless. I say almost
because right now there are only about 4B ip addresses to block. Of
course, that will get worse as soon as IPV6 gets more widely accepted.

>> I've never seen anything correct from him that can't be found on
>> hundreds of websites, and lots of incorrect junk - like PHP only runs as
>> a CGI under IIS, you can do post redirects in PHP, and he can steal PHP
>> sessions. These are all comments made in the last two to three weeks,
>> and just the tip of the iceberg.
>>
>> That says it all.
>>
> --
> Regards Chad. http://freewebdesignonline.org
>
>

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Re: HTML portion

am 28.12.2007 04:52:13 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: HTML portion

am 31.12.2007 16:51:47 von Sir Robin

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:13:59 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:23:18 +0200, Sir Robin
> wrote:
>
>>>Of course, you OBVIOUSLY didn't translate said site since their
>>>figures are looking at site ACCESS, not whether or not users have
>>>javascript enabled or not. And no fuckin DUH most sites will "work"
>>>to some level or extent without javascript enabled. The question,
>>>that these German retards are missing, is WHAT functionality of the
>>>site is being LOST. For example ALL of my sites will "work" without
>>>javascript enabled...however on most of them the only thing yer gonna
>>>get is a message telling you to install Flash and enable javascript.
>
>>So they do "work" but they don't really work at all... Heh...
>
>They work perfectly without stupidity...as you might imagine, I'm not
>really sympathetic to your "loss". ^_^

I would say that "loss" should really, in this case, be written inside
quotes, but... you already did that ;)

>>>Of course your sites work without javascript, you're barely floating
>>>above the level of plain black text on a white background. It's not
>>>as if you're even capable of presenting users with a dynamic, modern,
>>>feature rich site.
>
>>You can provide a rich site, you can use javascript if you do it
>>correctly (althought it's not necessary) and your site can be highly
>>accessible and easy to browse without javascript or page having
>>javascript but in a way that it is not necessary for viewing...
>
>The point you keep fumbling upon is viewing vs interacting. That's
>the whole basis behind those who are poser class wannabes and those
>who operate at a professional/artistic level. You can make a site
>VIEWABLE without much more than simple HTML in most cases...however to
>make that site INTERACTIVE...well, that requires a little something
>more...something more than you're capable of delivering.

The interactivity you are talking about is not, IMHO worth of
mentioning.... not really something I would even use the word
'interactive' for describing... Mostly it's useless changes on how
exactly the page does what it does anyway - and while it really does
not affect much the users that have the features you require enabled
(really, they would not give a rats ass about the difference between
the design you could provide with other means and the one you do use)
but it does affect the others...

So the only point of doing the things your way is that some people
simply like to be ignorant little bitches who can brag about their
skillz... beeing professional has nothing to do with that as any
commercial or non-commercial really professional sites do not make the
mistake you are making.... the proof beeing that they are actually
viewable even with lynx while they still rely a lot on javascript and
other weird methods.

>Any dribbling wannabe web developer can make the Internet equivalent
>of a photocopied flyer...but if you ever want to actually CREATE
>something...yeah, that's far beyond your current level of
>understanding.

Actually I was like you.... hmm... 10 years ago, in 1997, I used a lot
of scripts to make my site interactive... I learned about making my
scripts cross-browser compatible and making the site work even if the
scripts were not supported by users client... and thatmeant a LOT more
work back then than it does today...

Then I realized that it wasnt important. What's important was the
content, the interface (with which you could easily find anything
available from the site) and the fact that the site is - yes -
VIEWABLE.

Who cares about your fancy pull-down menus if they cant find the
article they are looking for? And who cares about lack of them if they
are really looking to read an article? Most viewers are not there to
see how interactive your site is, they are there for what it can
actually provide for them.

>>>...and yet amazingly enough you STILL can't list them. Woah, big
>>>surprise. *nods*
>>>
>>>Maybe if you try searching for "home brew" projects and such you might
>>>be able to find some 7th graders computer science project in which
>>>they "programmed" a "web browser" capable of reading a few basic tags.
>>>LOL
>
>>Ignorance is a bliss, isn't it?
>
>Well you would know, huh Sunshine? Do be sure and let us all know
>when you finally manage to come up with an example other than Lynx,
>until then, keep fumbling out the backpedals for our amusement.

I already did, Stardust... Links & Dillo I have mentioned long ago...
I could also mention netrik and others, but you asked for an example,
not for a 10 examples :p

>>>>It could, but doesn't have to.
>
>>>Let me translate into the language of REALITY:
>>>
>>>"It could, but they don't have that level of skill to program it in."
>
>>Oh, you know them? Oh well, nevermind, you are propably right then ;)
>
>I don't need to know them to know what isn't there. It's real easy
>for a lesser like yourself to claim that you "just didn't want
>it"...but the reality of the situation is made abundantly clear when
>one bothers to look at your portfolio and they can't find ANYTHING of
>that level of coding ability. So either you're a lazy,
>procrastinating slop job or you just don't have the intelligence to
>handle it.

As far as I know, my portfolio is not available online and you have no
idea of my coding abilities...

Here is couple scripts, one made with perl, one with bournel shell
scripting:
http://salamanteri.homelinux.net/software/index.php?lang=en

Here's couple java programs:
http://ostos.sourceforge.net/ (shot:
http://ostos.sourceforge.net/ostos.png )

http://javatris.sourceforge.net/

I can certainly give you a lot more examples (these that I have
published are rather simple programs) made with C, Perl, PHP, bourne
shell scripting or java... I have also worked as a programmer (or
code-whore as some say), but I can't give any examples I did for that
company as it's their property code :(

>>>Content is nothing without presentation. On a fool would think
>>>otherwise.
>
>>Totally otherway around - presentation is nothing without content.
>
>LOL, you really are a child, aren't you? ^_^
>
>There's a joke in the retail world...it goes something like...you
>could easily sell a shit filled diaper to someone with the right
>packaging. The point being that often times you don't need ANY
>content at all in order to sell something.

*snip*

Well well... Of course it's a totally different thing to create and
online-pharmacy site than, for example, site for nvidia (where the
accessibility is done professionally even though the site uses an
interface that, by default, uses funtionality certainly not available
on lower-level browsers).

I'd rather be paid by nvidia than an online-pharmacy ;) I did think we
were talking about truly professional work here...

>>>Yeah maybe if you magically traveled back to 1995 and were surfing on
>>>a 14.4 connection, you bumbling retard. Not to mention that with most
>>>sites the text content is shown first with the graphic content being
>>>shown afterwards, so really, you shouldn't notice ANY difference in
>>>speed...except for the fact that in about 1.7 seconds you'll see
>>>images along with the text.
>
>>Well, it does matter a LOT when I have only 4Mb connection, several
>>servers for different purposes running more or less
>>privately/publicly, many remote users, etc, etc... It most certainly
>>does make a different when viewing todays over-bloated sites.
>
>Most over bloated sites are a direct result of fumbling wannabes like
>yourself who have no idea how to build a site past the plain black
>text on a white background level without fucking it all up in 38
>different directions.

You are confusing me with someone who actually does not know anything
about standards, programming, web-design and who has been doing the
job for 2 years at max... Sorry, no banana.

> One of my favorite forms of attack in web
>development debates is to take other assholes shit and then recode the
>slop so that all the base code, images, video, etc are reduced to at
>~least~ 50% of their original size with NO loss in visual quality.

In most cases, what exactly do you need the video for? I do know about
encoding video, audio or pretty much anything, but it's only usefull
when there is an actual need for a video....

>But then, I guess you can't be blamed entirely, it's not as if they
>teach things like split form, cross format and stacked form image
>encoding techniques in any college flunkie level course. Most of the
>techniques I use when building a site are based on principles that
>aren't even glanced at in most college level curriculums.

I did not learn my programming and othe software knowledge in
college... that would be laughable.

>"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
>gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Indeed... and it's not bad, it's just
rather sad :)

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Re: HTML portion

am 31.12.2007 16:51:47 von Sir Robin