Re: Would you stop for a moment?!

WORST THREAD EVER, shall I talk about my religious views on php to at
least keep this thread relevant to the group :P

Re: Would you stop for a moment?!

"Rozzy" wrote in message
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> WORST THREAD EVER, shall I talk about my religious views on php to at
> least keep this thread relevant to the group :P

sure, i'd love to hear it...especially if you tend to be more inclined to be
religious than those whom have spoken already. :)

as for religious views on php, there is no orthodoxy tied to php. perhaps a
fan or two, but no orthodoxy. are you going to start one? you'd be eligible
for tax breaks in the u.s. and subsidies in the u.k. :)

Re: Would you stop for a moment?!

"Rozzy" wrote in message
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> WORST THREAD EVER, shall I talk about my religious views on php to at
> least keep this thread relevant to the group :P

These are math and science views.
Religion has no place here.

Re: Would you stop for a moment?!

"Sanders Kaufman" wrote in message
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> "Rozzy" wrote in message
> news:8d89fb88-1b89-4281-b8aa-464573d12ba4@d27g2000prf.google groups.com...
>
>> WORST THREAD EVER, shall I talk about my religious views on php to at
>> least keep this thread relevant to the group :P
>
> These are math and science views.
> Religion has no place here.

and what, pray tell, exactly does THIS thread have to do with
PHP...dumbass?!

Re: Would you stop for a moment?!

Rozzy wrote:
> WORST THREAD EVER, shall I talk about my religious views on php to at
> least keep this thread relevant to the group :P

Your choice really. Unless you ascribe to a religion that forces your
choices along one single line.. ;-)

Re: Would you stop for a moment?!

Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> "Rozzy" wrote in message
> news:8d89fb88-1b89-4281-b8aa-464573d12ba4@d27g2000prf.google groups.com...
>
>> WORST THREAD EVER, shall I talk about my religious views on php to at
>> least keep this thread relevant to the group :P
>
> These are math and science views.
> Religion has no place here.
>
>
>
well actually the philosophy, especially of science, does have relevance
in any technical arena.

Re: Would you stop for a moment?!

Steve wrote:
> "Sanders Kaufman" wrote in message
> news:LKCaj.56321$eY.26964@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
>> "Rozzy" wrote in message
>> news:8d89fb88-1b89-4281-b8aa-464573d12ba4@d27g2000prf.google groups.com...
>>
>>> WORST THREAD EVER, shall I talk about my religious views on php to at
>>> least keep this thread relevant to the group :P
>> These are math and science views.
>> Religion has no place here.
>
> and what, pray tell, exactly does THIS thread have to do with
> PHP...dumbass?!
>
>
Ah, a very deep and complex question, but one that does have an answer.

If you don't want to read it tho. skip it.

Re: Would you stop for a moment?!

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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> Steve wrote:
>> "Sanders Kaufman" wrote in message
>> news:LKCaj.56321$eY.26964@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
>>> "Rozzy" wrote in message
>>> news:8d89fb88-1b89-4281-b8aa-464573d12ba4@d27g2000prf.google groups.com...
>>>
>>>> WORST THREAD EVER, shall I talk about my religious views on php to at
>>>> least keep this thread relevant to the group :P
>>> These are math and science views.
>>> Religion has no place here.
>>
>> and what, pray tell, exactly does THIS thread have to do with
>> PHP...dumbass?!
> Ah, a very deep and complex question, but one that does have an answer.
>
> If you don't want to read it tho. skip it.

just calling sanders on it. however, it is not deep nor complex. whatever
math and science have to do with php is moot, since there are specific news
groups for each. so, again, neither have to deal with php in this thread. :)

Re: Would you stop for a moment?!

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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> Rozzy wrote:
>> WORST THREAD EVER, shall I talk about my religious views on php to at
>> least keep this thread relevant to the group :P
>
> Your choice really. Unless you ascribe to a religion that forces your
> choices along one single line.. ;-)

and the notion of 'free will' would be non-existent for those. :)

btw, here's a question for you...i define free will not as having options,
but knowing one has option from which to choose. bible scholars claim god
gives free will. i say he perhaps created options - if i aside my distain
for the premise due to lack of evidence. satan, having tempted adam and eve,
would have actually been the one who gives free will. once he got adam and
eve to eat from the tree of knowlege of good and evil, they'd have then
known that there were options from which to choose. it seems that god,
forbidding them from eating said fruit, didn't want adam and eve to have
such knowledge. further, if you were to argue that it was just knowlege of
'good' and 'evil', why would god create such a tree and put them in harm's
way of it. finally, i wonder by what genetic mechanism said knowlege
corrupts their decendants. surely we'll find that gene and save ourselves
eventually by just turning it off...ROFL.

Re: Would you stop for a moment?!

Steve wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
> news:1198242584.19935.1@proxy00.news.clara.net...
>> Rozzy wrote:
>>> WORST THREAD EVER, shall I talk about my religious views on php to at
>>> least keep this thread relevant to the group :P
>> Your choice really. Unless you ascribe to a religion that forces your
>> choices along one single line.. ;-)
>
> and the notion of 'free will' would be non-existent for those. :)
>
> btw, here's a question for you...i define free will not as having options,
> but knowing one has option from which to choose. bible scholars claim god
> gives free will. i say he perhaps created options - if i aside my distain
> for the premise due to lack of evidence. satan, having tempted adam and eve,
> would have actually been the one who gives free will. once he got adam and
> eve to eat from the tree of knowlege of good and evil, they'd have then
> known that there were options from which to choose. it seems that god,
> forbidding them from eating said fruit, didn't want adam and eve to have
> such knowledge. further, if you were to argue that it was just knowlege of
> 'good' and 'evil', why would god create such a tree and put them in harm's
> way of it. finally, i wonder by what genetic mechanism said knowlege
> corrupts their decendants. surely we'll find that gene and save ourselves
> eventually by just turning it off...ROFL.
>
>
Ah well..All very good questions and just what we use to come up with to
confabulate the Chaplain, before we got bored - it being a shade to easy
really.

FWIW the way I read that myth is that once upon a time, man was happy
dumb, and that was that.

Oner day he suddenly had a Cartesian moment and said "I think, therefore
I am!" and that was the original sin..in that moment he ceased to be a
happy dumb SOB and started peering aroind him and 'figuring things out'.

In short he started imagining things that weren't actually there right
now, but MIGHT be.

The myth is there to remind us that this is only a temporary condition:
If we brainwash ourslves, or fast for like 40 days and nights, or whip
ourselves insensible in a monastic cell whilst not actually eating
anything and wearing hair shirts to make sure we are utterly distracted,
or if we prefer, sit in a corner saying 'aum' for 24 hours a day,
eventually we will forget to think, and return to the blessed states of
ignorance, known as 'Heaven' 'nirvana' or 'enlightenment'.

In my youth it was claimed that a couple of puffs of DMT would do the
same thing in 5 minutes with a lot less hassle, so naturally it was made
illegal. A person I know claims to have done both, and reports 'it is
essentially the same thing, man'

Finally,. those that have - for whatever reason, done this, report that
its very like dying and being born again, insofar as they can remember
the first time.

So the shaman priests who developed the techniques talk airily about
death and resurrection, life after death and reincarnation and the like.

And the dumb shmucks who lap this crap up take it all in completely the
wrong way, and here we all are.