help with proxy please

Hi. I'm trying to configure proxyway, but i'm confused. When i enter
the IP into the list, pway checks it and it always comes back as bad.
also, is the port ## the number after the IP and the colon (its
usually :80 or :8080.)
how do i find good proxies that will work on pway?

ALSO- are those proxy sites that just let you enter the URL and surf
that way (privax, invisiblesurfing, etc) ok to use?

i appreciate all help.

thanks.

Re: help with proxy please

In article 9bea615b2f5c@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, irieonei@hushmail.com says...
> ALSO- are those proxy sites that just let you enter the URL and surf
> that way (privax, invisiblesurfing, etc) ok to use?
>

Why use a proxy at all?

Unless you're breaking laws, breaking rules, unethical or a hack, you
really don't need a proxy - and it stands out in firewall logs like a
hot poker.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Re: help with proxy please

On Dec 22, 3:24 pm, Leythos wrote:
> In article > 9bea615b2...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, irieo...@hushmail.com says...
>
> > ALSO- are those proxy sites that just let you enter the URL and surf
> > that way (privax, invisiblesurfing, etc) ok to use?
>
> Why use a proxy at all?
>
> Unless you're breaking laws, breaking rules, unethical or a hack, you
> really don't need a proxy - and it stands out in firewall logs like a
> hot poker.
>
> --
>
> Leythos
> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> spam999f...@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

some of us like privacy for the sake of privacy. and in addition,
proxies protect us from unscrupulous people who have bad intentions
such as blackmail, etc.

i bet you support the patriot act as well, bush-licker.
post back when you get a fucking clue.

Re: help with proxy please

On Dec 23, 9:40 am, irieo...@hushmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 22, 3:24 pm, Leythos wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article > > 9bea615b2...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, irieo...@hushmail.com says...
>
> > > ALSO- are those proxy sites that just let you enter the URL and surf
> > > that way (privax, invisiblesurfing, etc) ok to use?
>
> > Why use a proxy at all?
>
> > Unless you're breaking laws, breaking rules, unethical or a hack, you
> > really don't need a proxy - and it stands out in firewall logs like a
> > hot poker.
> some of us like privacy for the sake of privacy. and in addition,

And that's why you use a proxy which is then able to scan and collect
all the information about you, your browsing behavior, etc. in a
single place? If you set the proxy in your browser everything goes
through that proxy. A proxy from which you have absolutely no way to
decide how trustworthy it is.

If you don't install the Google Toolbar because you are afraid that
Google collects all the web sites you have visited then I think you
should never use any proxy unless you have set it up yourself...

> proxies protect us from unscrupulous people who have bad intentions
> such as blackmail, etc.

A proxy won't protect you from blackmailing but allows however runs
the proxy to collect first grade information to blackmail you...

[insults removed]

You really have to work on your courtesy.

Gerald

Re: help with proxy please

On Dec 22, 8:02 pm, Gerald Vogt wrote:
> On Dec 23, 9:40 am, irieo...@hushmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 22, 3:24 pm, Leythos wrote:
>
> > > In article > > > 9bea615b2...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, irieo...@hushmail.com says...
>
> > > > ALSO- are those proxy sites that just let you enter the URL and surf
> > > > that way (privax, invisiblesurfing, etc) ok to use?
>
> > > Why use a proxy at all?
>
> > > Unless you're breaking laws, breaking rules, unethical or a hack, you
> > > really don't need a proxy - and it stands out in firewall logs like a
> > > hot poker.
> > some of us like privacy for the sake of privacy. and in addition,
>
> And that's why you use a proxy which is then able to scan and collect
> all the information about you, your browsing behavior, etc. in a
> single place? If you set the proxy in your browser everything goes
> through that proxy. A proxy from which you have absolutely no way to
> decide how trustworthy it is.
>
> If you don't install the Google Toolbar because you are afraid that
> Google collects all the web sites you have visited then I think you
> should never use any proxy unless you have set it up yourself...
>
> > proxies protect us from unscrupulous people who have bad intentions
> > such as blackmail, etc.
>
> A proxy won't protect you from blackmailing but allows however runs
> the proxy to collect first grade information to blackmail you...
>
> [insults removed]
>
> You really have to work on your courtesy.
>
> Gerald
apologies for my lack of courtesy. so, according to
you..................................
proxies are useless, they dont make it ANY more difficult for some
wannabe hacker to find out your personal info? is that what youre
saying? any scumbag with internet access can get my personal info by
just asking the proxy owner, right? i realize the alphabet agencies
have this knowledge but thats not my concern. my concern is joe shmo
with no "ins" being able to find out my identity. but you say they
can, so why the heck do proxies even exist?

Re: help with proxy please

In article f690736c859b@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, irieonei@hushmail.com
says...
> On Dec 22, 3:24 pm, Leythos wrote:
> > In article > > 9bea615b2...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, irieo...@hushmail.com says...
> >
> > > ALSO- are those proxy sites that just let you enter the URL and surf
> > > that way (privax, invisiblesurfing, etc) ok to use?
> >
> > Why use a proxy at all?
> >
> > Unless you're breaking laws, breaking rules, unethical or a hack, you
> > really don't need a proxy - and it stands out in firewall logs like a
> > hot poker.
> >
>
> some of us like privacy for the sake of privacy. and in addition,
> proxies protect us from unscrupulous people who have bad intentions
> such as blackmail, etc.
>
> i bet you support the patriot act as well, bush-licker.
> post back when you get a fucking clue.

If you understood anything about networking you would know that a proxy
doesn't really hid you, and you have no idea what the proxy service is
doing with the information.

And I know you don't know anything about the Internet because your
Usenet client is broken.

Privacy for the sake of Privacy - what a joke.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Re: help with proxy please

In article <1689891a-f489-4e05-8ffa-253a45f74431
@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, irieonei@hushmail.com says...
> any scumbag with internet access can get my personal info by
> just asking the proxy owner, right?

What makes you think the proxy owner is legit?

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Re: help with proxy please

On Dec 22, 9:25 pm, Leythos wrote:
> In article <1689891a-f489-4e05-8ffa-253a45f74431
> @s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, irieo...@hushmail.com says...
>
> > any scumbag with internet access can get my personal info by
> > just asking the proxy owner, right?
>
> What makes you think the proxy owner is legit?
>
> --
>
> Leythos
> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> spam999f...@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

can you please tell me what the point is of using a proxy, if not to
add a layer of protection?
i'm admittedly naive about the subject but one would think that
proxies are useful for something or else they wouldnt exist.

and i personally like using google to read NG's. i could use the many
other apps but i choose not to.

i got off to a bad start with you guys here so im an asshole but i'd
like to know why proxies are even used if not to help protect privacy.

its bad enough that big bro can tell what library books ive checked
out and much much more, and altho im on the up and up, id still like
an extra layer of privacy. call me paranoid. and asshole. new name
is paranoid asshole who knows nothing about the internet. heh.

seriously though, why do people use proxies at all?

how would YOU go about trying to hide your location if there was
someone with a vendetta against you?

Re: help with proxy please

On Dec 22, 11:05 pm, irieo...@hushmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 22, 9:25 pm, Leythos wrote:
>
> > In article <1689891a-f489-4e05-8ffa-253a45f74431
> > @s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, irieo...@hushmail.com says...
>
> > > any scumbag with internet access can get my personal info by
> > > just asking the proxy owner, right?
>
> > What makes you think the proxy owner is legit?
>
> > --
>
> > Leythos
> > - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> > - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> > drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> > spam999f...@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
>
> can you please tell me what the point is of using a proxy, if not to
> add a layer of protection?
> i'm admittedly naive about the subject but one would think that
> proxies are useful for something or else they wouldnt exist.
>
> and i personally like using google to read NG's. i could use the many
> other apps but i choose not to.
>
> i got off to a bad start with you guys here so im an asshole but i'd
> like to know why proxies are even used if not to help protect privacy.
>
> its bad enough that big bro can tell what library books ive checked
> out and much much more, and altho im on the up and up, id still like
> an extra layer of privacy. call me paranoid. and asshole. new name
> is paranoid asshole who knows nothing about the internet. heh.
>
> seriously though, why do people use proxies at all?
>
> how would YOU go about trying to hide your location if there was
> someone with a vendetta against you?

what about this?????????????????????????????? emphasis on the part
about unscrupulous website owners.

Why Should You Use Anonymous Proxy Servers?

Any web resource you access can gather personal information about you
through your unique IP address ï¿=BD your ID in the Internet. They can
monitor your reading interests, spy upon you and, according to some
policies of the Internet resources, deny accessing any information you
might need. You might become a target for many marketers and
advertising agencies who, having information about your interests and
knowing your IP address as well as your e-mail, will be able to send
you regularly their spam and junk e-mails.

A web site can automatically exploit security holes in your system
using not-very-complex, ready-made, free hacking programs. Some of
such programs may just hang your machine, making you reboot it, but
other, more powerful ones, can get access to the content of your hard
drive or RAM. Everything a web site may need for that is only your IP
address and some information about your operating system.

this was the first link when googling "why proxy"

Re: help with proxy please

> i'm admittedly naive about the subject but one would think that
> proxies are useful for something or else they wouldnt exist.

Excellent data collection service.

> seriously though, why do people use proxies at all?

In comapnies they are used to get control over communication of the
employees. Go figure.

>
> how would YOU go about trying to hide your location if there was
> someone with a vendetta against you?

JAP or Tor. (be warned, some attacks with Tor Exit nodes do exist)

Cheers,
Jens

Re: help with proxy please

In article @d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, irieonei@hushmail.com says...
> On Dec 22, 9:25 pm, Leythos wrote:
> > In article <1689891a-f489-4e05-8ffa-253a45f74431
> > @s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, irieo...@hushmail.com says...
> >
> > > any scumbag with internet access can get my personal info by
> > > just asking the proxy owner, right?
> >
> > What makes you think the proxy owner is legit?
> >
>
> can you please tell me what the point is of using a proxy, if not to
> add a layer of protection?

Protection from what?

Do you really need protected if you're using a properly configured
machine, behind a NAT device of some type, and not breaking any laws?
No, you don't.

> i'm admittedly naive about the subject but one would think that
> proxies are useful for something or else they wouldnt exist.

Yes, they are good for people want to do something that would get them
in trouble, at least the type of proxy services you're talking about.

> and i personally like using google to read NG's. i could use the many
> other apps but i choose not to.

Using google to read is bad, it's a broken interface - as you can see
where your's didn't snip my signature lines when you replied - I did it
manually.

> i got off to a bad start with you guys here so im an asshole but i'd
> like to know why proxies are even used if not to help protect privacy.
>
> its bad enough that big bro can tell what library books ive checked
> out and much much more, and altho im on the up and up, id still like
> an extra layer of privacy. call me paranoid. and asshole. new name
> is paranoid asshole who knows nothing about the internet. heh.

And it's said that you think you really need to hide what you're doing
from anyone. There is no privacy, your ISP could be loggin all of your
traffic, the proxy could be a government cover, or worse it could be a
malicious proxy that is collecting all of your data....

> seriously though, why do people use proxies at all?

To surf the web from work, to get to porn/gambling/other things they
would be embarrassed to have people know they are doing, or to get
access when a firewall is blocking them and is not properly
configured...

> how would YOU go about trying to hide your location if there was
> someone with a vendetta against you?

LOL - Are you talking about Usenet? There are a LOT of Usenet providers
that don't list your posting IP or real name, if that's what your
worried about.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Re: help with proxy please

On Dec 23, 10:16 am, irieo...@hushmail.com wrote:
> apologies for my lack of courtesy. so, according to
> you..................................
> proxies are useless, they dont make it ANY more difficult for some
> wannabe hacker to find out your personal info? is that what youre

No. The personal info you give away is out there. It does not matter
whether you do that through a proxy or not. Just the proxy makes it
easier to collect the information as everything goes through the proxy
and not directly to various internet servers where you have to
aggregate the information (e.g. through ad banners).

> saying? any scumbag with internet access can get my personal info by
> just asking the proxy owner, right? i realize the alphabet agencies

I don't know exactly what you have in mind when you write "personal
info" but basically yes. You don't know whether the proxy provider is
the "scumbag". You don't know about the security of their service,
i.e. whether it has been/can be hacked or not. You don't know whether
or how well they really do the service, i.e. if they really anonymize
anything at all or really at all times. You rely on the full
trustworthiness of a single proxy service.

Now without proxy the basic information like which pages you have
browsed to is still available. However, the information is distributed
on various servers. Some of that may have been matched due to some ad
banner or similar. But visiting a different web site using a different
ad company would not be able to match it with the other site unless
they work together. It is not impossible to aggregate all this
information but it is definitively harder then having a single proxy
server and all that information readily available at a single place.

Thus, unless you are 200% sure about the trustworthiness of the proxy
service or you have set it up yourself (and of course you should set
up multiple proxy servers at different locations) I would not want to
rely on a proxy server...

> have this knowledge but thats not my concern. my concern is joe shmo
> with no "ins" being able to find out my identity. but you say they

Finding out your identity per se is only possible if you reveal your
identity somewhere and you leave a trace between that point and some
other point. Thus, don't reveal your identity and noone knows it. If
you reveal your identity and later visit a web site you don't what to
be able to link to the previous one, clear all your cookies, make sure
you get a different IP address from your ISP or better use a second
different ISP, maybe even use a different browser on a different OS in
a different language. Of course your ISP may be able to track you.
Don't use them if you don't trust them. But at least you have some
control about what you do.

> can, so why the heck do proxies even exist?

Why do people buy software firewalls which "stealths" their computer?
Because it sounds great and people want to believe it does miraculous
things, fully automated, allowing them to do what they want without
having to think about things like computer security.

You use an anonymous proxy and immediately you surf the net
anonymously. Sounds great. Just use the proxy and you are secure. You
don't have to worry about it or know how to protect your privacy.
People want this. They believe in this. They get it. Just like with so
many other things which people strongly believe they need. As long as
it is possible to get some money out of it someone will be there to
provide it to you even if it is just a placebo...

My 5 cent...

Gerald

Re: help with proxy please

On Dec 23, 1:14 pm, irieo...@hushmail.com wrote:
> Why Should You Use Anonymous Proxy Servers?
>
> Any web resource you access can gather personal information about you
> through your unique IP address ï¿=BD your ID in the Internet. They can=


Correct. So can the proxy provider. Thus, the best thing you can do to
avoid this is to disconnect from the internet and reconnect to get a
different IP address. Then you know that you have a different IP
address.

The IP address does not identify YOU unless you identify yourself
while running with this IP address. If you have dynamic changing IP
addresses from your ISP only your ISP is directly able to link the IP
address to your person and identity.

> monitor your reading interests, spy upon you and, according to some

Correct. Any web site is able to find out what you read.

They can only spy on you if you let them. If your proxy prevents
spying on you by removing JavaScript you can disable that in your
browser as well. If your proxy prevents spying by clearing any cookies
you can set your browser not to use cookies. ...

> policies of the Internet resources, deny accessing any information you
> might need. You might become a target for many marketers and
> advertising agencies who, having information about your interests and
> knowing your IP address as well as your e-mail, will be able to send
> you regularly their spam and junk e-mails.

For that you must have used your e-mail address with this IP address.
And it should be a fixed IP address to be of real benefit.

> A web site can automatically exploit security holes in your system
> using not-very-complex, ready-made, free hacking programs. Some of

That has little to do with proxy services.

A web site could automatically exploit security holes in the proxy.
And you should protect your computer against exploitation anyway.

> such programs may just hang your machine, making you reboot it, but
> other, more powerful ones, can get access to the content of your hard
> drive or RAM. Everything a web site may need for that is only your IP
> address and some information about your operating system.

What a nonsense. The IP address does not make a difference here. The
only thing that really matters in this respect is that you run a
vulnerable computer. Knowing your IP address does not make you
vulnerable. Knowing some additional mysterious information about your
operating system won't help them much either except maybe reducing the
number of vulnerabilities to check for.

To me this text you have quoted sounds like so many other texts
trying you to sell some completely useless service and thus has to
exaggerate every detail to the limits...

Gerald

Re: help with proxy please

irieonei@hushmail.com wrote:


> some of us like privacy for the sake of privacy.


Since when has a proxy something to do with privacy? I'd say routing all
your HTTP traffic over one single machine instead through a network roughly
reduces privacy.

> and in addition,proxies protect us from unscrupulous people who have

> bad intentions such as blackmail, etc.

Nonsense, see above. Routing your traffic through one single machine gives
its owner all your information at once.

Re: help with proxy please

On Dec 23, 6:55 am, "Sebastian G." wrote:
> irieo...@hushmail.com wrote:
> > some of us like privacy for the sake of privacy.
>
> Since when has a proxy something to do with privacy? I'd say routing all
> your HTTP traffic over one single machine instead through a network roughly
> reduces privacy.
>
> > and in addition,proxies protect us from unscrupulous people who have
>
> > bad intentions such as blackmail, etc.
>
> Nonsense, see above. Routing your traffic through one single machine gives
> its owner all your information at once.

thanks to all. i read it and i understand now. happy festivus!!!!

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In article ,
chronjob@yahoo.com says...
> As far as proxies go, if I were the CIA-NSA, I'd be setting up proxy
> services by the dozen. All the better to trap jihadis AND morons like
> you!

We already do, and so does the RIAA.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

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> Circumventing
> geographic filtering is a LEGAL and LEGIMTATE
> use of proxies.

Why is that so?

Re: help with proxy please

Jens Hoffmann wrote:

>> Circumventing
>> geographic filtering is a LEGAL and LEGIMTATE
>> use of proxies.
>
> Why is that so?


I guess he wanted to include the word "can". Using a proxy
in violation of your company's policy might be illegitimate.

But I wonder why he's even hyping it so much. Using proxies is nothing
special, even though it's pretty useless in most cases.

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> I guess he wanted to include the word "can". Using a proxy
> in violation of your company's policy might be illegitimate.

It was not his usual company-policy rant.
He made a claim about the jurisdicial system which was
more than questionable.

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In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
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>
> "Leythos" wrote in message
> news:MPG.21d98301941a4fc5989913@Adfree.usenet.com...
> > In article ,
> > chronjob@yahoo.com says...
> >> As far as proxies go, if I were the CIA-NSA, I'd be setting up proxy
> >> services by the dozen. All the better to trap jihadis AND morons like
> >> you!
> >
> > We already do, and so does the RIAA.
>
>
> However, if the proxy it outside the United Stats, it is beyond
> the jurisdiction of the United States.

And that doesn't change monitoring of what you do inside the USA or that
the proxy ouside the USA may be a US or US Friendly proxy setup to make
you think it's safe.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

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In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
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>
> "Leythos" wrote in message
> news:MPG.21dad89d8ae20fab989922@Adfree.usenet.com...
> > In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
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> >> "Leythos" wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.21d98301941a4fc5989913@Adfree.usenet.com...
> >> > In article ,
> >> > chronjob@yahoo.com says...
> >> >> As far as proxies go, if I were the CIA-NSA, I'd be setting up proxy
> >> >> services by the dozen. All the better to trap jihadis AND morons like
> >> >> you!
> >> >
> >> > We already do, and so does the RIAA.
> >>
> >>
> >> However, if the proxy it outside the United Stats, it is beyond
> >> the jurisdiction of the United States.
> >
> > And that doesn't change monitoring of what you do inside the USA or that
> > the proxy ouside the USA may be a US or US Friendly proxy setup to make
> > you think it's safe.
>
> Ther service I use, as I have said before, is a P2P proxy service that is
> in Mexico, and run by a retiree at an over-55 community near Ensenada.
> From your computer, to the server in Mexico, the traffic is encrypted,
> so the government cannot monitor what you do. And since the main
> server in in MEXICO, it is only subject to MEXICAN laws.

You keep claiming things you can't prove, you don't really know who
operates the proxy and you don't know what they do with the information.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

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> Using a proxy to circumvent the geographic restrictions does NOT
> violate ANY law in ANY country.

Wrong. That was easy.

Cheers,
Jens

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On Dec 23, 1:58 pm, ChronJob wrote:
> irieo...@hushmail.com wrote in news:f37f2ae4-adc9-4b3e-b09e-
> f690736c8...@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:
>
>

>
> As far as proxies go, if I were the CIA-NSA, I'd be setting up proxy
> services by the dozen. All the better to trap jihadis AND morons like
> you!
>
> --
> _____________________________________
> "-When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk."

merry xmas to you as well.

RE ANON and NOMEN :: AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! couldnt agree more. all
these folks are just SO pleased to bend over for the man, cuz the govt
is NOT SHADY AT ALL, theyre just looking out for us, right? they can
all go eat some grass like the sheep they are.

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Re: help with proxy please

> It is NOT illegal to circumvent geographic restrictions.

You said it is not illegal in any country. And tzhat is simply wrong.


>It is no different
> than
> it would be if I used a dial-up provider in another country to circumvent
> geographic restrictions.

Which is not allowed in all countries of mother earth.

Re: help with proxy please

> RE ANON and NOMEN :: AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! couldnt agree more. all
> these folks are just SO pleased to bend over for the man, cuz the govt
> is NOT SHADY AT ALL, theyre just looking out for us, right? they can
> all go eat some grass like the sheep they are.

Take your problems and solve them yourself. We have our own data hungry
government to tame.