.NET new executable

Questions about creating an .net ‘executable’ 2005 that will not remained
installed once a user enters some data into the application. I also want this
applcation to not require any previous software installed on a users
workstation.
I basically want to setup an application for new users when they are
applying for insurance. This application would preferably be a run as a
windows desktop application versus on the internet. Once the user enters the
save or submit button, I want the application to send the data back to be
processed on a Sql server 2000 or sql server 2005 database.
I have Visual Studio.net 2005 currently and would like suggestions on how
to do steup this type of an application using Visual Basic.net 2005.

Thanks!

Re: .NET new executable

If you are not interested in having any remains of your application left on
the client after using the application then this needs to be an ASP .NET web
application.

If you don't want to require any software on the client, then this needs to
be an ASP .NET web application.

If all you are trying to do is send some data to your SQL server, then this
needs to be an ASP .NET web application.

It sounds like you simply need a web page that collects data and populates a
SQL table.


"Wendy Elizabeth" wrote in
message news:24920868-A8C7-41FE-880D-C440490A7CD5@microsoft.com...
> Questions about creating an .net 'executable' 2005 that will not remained
> installed once a user enters some data into the application. I also want
> this
> applcation to not require any previous software installed on a users
> workstation.
> I basically want to setup an application for new users when they are
> applying for insurance. This application would preferably be a run as a
> windows desktop application versus on the internet. Once the user enters
> the
> save or submit button, I want the application to send the data back to be
> processed on a Sql server 2000 or sql server 2005 database.
> I have Visual Studio.net 2005 currently and would like suggestions on how
> to do steup this type of an application using Visual Basic.net 2005.
>
> Thanks!
>

Re: .NET new executable

Scott M.:

I do not have access to a web server, that is why I want a Windows
application.
Do you think a second alternative would be, to save the data to an FTP site
so that I would still have access to the data?

Thanks!

"Scott M." wrote:

> If you are not interested in having any remains of your application left on
> the client after using the application then this needs to be an ASP .NET web
> application.
>
> If you don't want to require any software on the client, then this needs to
> be an ASP .NET web application.
>
> If all you are trying to do is send some data to your SQL server, then this
> needs to be an ASP .NET web application.
>
> It sounds like you simply need a web page that collects data and populates a
> SQL table.
>
>
> "Wendy Elizabeth" wrote in
> message news:24920868-A8C7-41FE-880D-C440490A7CD5@microsoft.com...
> > Questions about creating an .net 'executable' 2005 that will not remained
> > installed once a user enters some data into the application. I also want
> > this
> > applcation to not require any previous software installed on a users
> > workstation.
> > I basically want to setup an application for new users when they are
> > applying for insurance. This application would preferably be a run as a
> > windows desktop application versus on the internet. Once the user enters
> > the
> > save or submit button, I want the application to send the data back to be
> > processed on a Sql server 2000 or sql server 2005 database.
> > I have Visual Studio.net 2005 currently and would like suggestions on how
> > to do steup this type of an application using Visual Basic.net 2005.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>
>
>

Re: .NET new executable

"Wendy Elizabeth" wrote in
message news:24920868-A8C7-41FE-880D-C440490A7CD5@microsoft.com...
> Questions about creating an .net ‘executable’ 2005 that will not remained
> installed once a user enters some data into the application. I also want
> this
> applcation to not require any previous software installed on a users
> workstation.
> I basically want to setup an application for new users when they are
> applying for insurance. This application would preferably be a run as a
> windows desktop application versus on the internet. Once the user enters
> the
> save or submit button, I want the application to send the data back to be
> processed on a Sql server 2000 or sql server 2005 database.
> I have Visual Studio.net 2005 currently and would like suggestions on how
> to do steup this type of an application using Visual Basic.net 2005.

If you don't have access to a webserver then you're going to have problems
getting the data back to your database. As Scott mentioned, the best option
is to just use a web page to collect the info. If you really want it to be a
winforms application then the best way to get the data back is to make the
application call an XML web service on your server to input the data.
Trouble is, this would also require a web server!

Can you not install IIS on the database server? If you wanted your app to
directly access the database then you'd have to make the database server
publicly accessible and leave it running constantly anyway, so you may as
well just use it as a webserver instead.

Re: .NET new executable

Then, how the users are getting your application? Are they on the same
private network (LAN,WAN...) or are they not networked at all (except the
Internet)?

You need to decide the application type based on availabe infrastructure -
networked privately, or the Internet only, or not networked at all...

It seems web application would be the best, as Scott pointed out. You could
also use Windows app with ClickOnce (you then still need a web server to
distribute the ClickOnce app, if the user is not on a LAN, and how about
database access: where the database is and how the windows app access the
data via the Internet?). In an extreme case where no network access
avaialble, you could send your app to your user via email, then user runs it
on his computer, save data to a file, email back to you; then you update the
data into database. I would not imagine this is what you want.

You need to describe who the users are, where are they and what kind of
network is available, where the database is..... before a
meaningful/useful/concrete answer could be made.

"Wendy Elizabeth" wrote in
message news:EE2A829F-DB7F-4767-80F2-C675FA069AEC@microsoft.com...
> Scott M.:
>
> I do not have access to a web server, that is why I want a Windows
> application.
> Do you think a second alternative would be, to save the data to an FTP
> site
> so that I would still have access to the data?
>
> Thanks!
>
> "Scott M." wrote:
>
>> If you are not interested in having any remains of your application left
>> on
>> the client after using the application then this needs to be an ASP .NET
>> web
>> application.
>>
>> If you don't want to require any software on the client, then this needs
>> to
>> be an ASP .NET web application.
>>
>> If all you are trying to do is send some data to your SQL server, then
>> this
>> needs to be an ASP .NET web application.
>>
>> It sounds like you simply need a web page that collects data and
>> populates a
>> SQL table.
>>
>>
>> "Wendy Elizabeth" wrote in
>> message news:24920868-A8C7-41FE-880D-C440490A7CD5@microsoft.com...
>> > Questions about creating an .net 'executable' 2005 that will not
>> > remained
>> > installed once a user enters some data into the application. I also
>> > want
>> > this
>> > applcation to not require any previous software installed on a users
>> > workstation.
>> > I basically want to setup an application for new users when they are
>> > applying for insurance. This application would preferably be a run as
>> > a
>> > windows desktop application versus on the internet. Once the user
>> > enters
>> > the
>> > save or submit button, I want the application to send the data back to
>> > be
>> > processed on a Sql server 2000 or sql server 2005 database.
>> > I have Visual Studio.net 2005 currently and would like suggestions on
>> > how
>> > to do steup this type of an application using Visual Basic.net 2005.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>>
>>
>>

Re: .NET new executable

Norman Yuan:
Since there is no network access avaialble, I want to send my app to each
user via email, then user runs it on his computer, save data to a file, email
back to you; then you update the data into database.
The app that I send to the user to run, I do not want it to permanently
install on their workstation. I am trying to figure out a way to write this
app so that it will:
1. not permanently install on their workstations, and
2. not require any specific software to be installed on their workstation
for the exe to run.

Thanks!


"Norman Yuan" wrote:

> Then, how the users are getting your application? Are they on the same
> private network (LAN,WAN...) or are they not networked at all (except the
> Internet)?
>
> You need to decide the application type based on availabe infrastructure -
> networked privately, or the Internet only, or not networked at all...
>
> It seems web application would be the best, as Scott pointed out. You could
> also use Windows app with ClickOnce (you then still need a web server to
> distribute the ClickOnce app, if the user is not on a LAN, and how about
> database access: where the database is and how the windows app access the
> data via the Internet?). In an extreme case where no network access
> avaialble, you could send your app to your user via email, then user runs it
> on his computer, save data to a file, email back to you; then you update the
> data into database. I would not imagine this is what you want.
>
> You need to describe who the users are, where are they and what kind of
> network is available, where the database is..... before a
> meaningful/useful/concrete answer could be made.
>
> "Wendy Elizabeth" wrote in
> message news:EE2A829F-DB7F-4767-80F2-C675FA069AEC@microsoft.com...
> > Scott M.:
> >
> > I do not have access to a web server, that is why I want a Windows
> > application.
> > Do you think a second alternative would be, to save the data to an FTP
> > site
> > so that I would still have access to the data?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > "Scott M." wrote:
> >
> >> If you are not interested in having any remains of your application left
> >> on
> >> the client after using the application then this needs to be an ASP .NET
> >> web
> >> application.
> >>
> >> If you don't want to require any software on the client, then this needs
> >> to
> >> be an ASP .NET web application.
> >>
> >> If all you are trying to do is send some data to your SQL server, then
> >> this
> >> needs to be an ASP .NET web application.
> >>
> >> It sounds like you simply need a web page that collects data and
> >> populates a
> >> SQL table.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Wendy Elizabeth" wrote in
> >> message news:24920868-A8C7-41FE-880D-C440490A7CD5@microsoft.com...
> >> > Questions about creating an .net 'executable' 2005 that will not
> >> > remained
> >> > installed once a user enters some data into the application. I also
> >> > want
> >> > this
> >> > applcation to not require any previous software installed on a users
> >> > workstation.
> >> > I basically want to setup an application for new users when they are
> >> > applying for insurance. This application would preferably be a run as
> >> > a
> >> > windows desktop application versus on the internet. Once the user
> >> > enters
> >> > the
> >> > save or submit button, I want the application to send the data back to
> >> > be
> >> > processed on a Sql server 2000 or sql server 2005 database.
> >> > I have Visual Studio.net 2005 currently and would like suggestions on
> >> > how
> >> > to do steup this type of an application using Visual Basic.net 2005.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: .NET new executable

An alternative would be to use a self hosted WCF server.

Then the communication does not require a web server and data can be sent to
the server application (not Web server).

Still, it requires .Net 2.0 and 3.0 installed on the client machines but the
application as such does not require installaiton then.

Best regards,
Cezary Nolewajka

Consultant | Microsoft Services | Microsoft | Poland

"Leon Mayne" wrote in message
news:1FDEE60F-C463-4CF4-A67B-094853312BBE@microsoft.com...
> "Wendy Elizabeth" wrote in
> message news:24920868-A8C7-41FE-880D-C440490A7CD5@microsoft.com...
>> Questions about creating an .net ‘executable’ 2005 that will not
>> remained
>> installed once a user enters some data into the application. I also want
>> this
>> applcation to not require any previous software installed on a users
>> workstation.
>> I basically want to setup an application for new users when they are
>> applying for insurance. This application would preferably be a run as a
>> windows desktop application versus on the internet. Once the user enters
>> the
>> save or submit button, I want the application to send the data back to be
>> processed on a Sql server 2000 or sql server 2005 database.
>> I have Visual Studio.net 2005 currently and would like suggestions on
>> how
>> to do steup this type of an application using Visual Basic.net 2005.
>
> If you don't have access to a webserver then you're going to have problems
> getting the data back to your database. As Scott mentioned, the best
> option is to just use a web page to collect the info. If you really want
> it to be a winforms application then the best way to get the data back is
> to make the application call an XML web service on your server to input
> the data. Trouble is, this would also require a web server!
>
> Can you not install IIS on the database server? If you wanted your app to
> directly access the database then you'd have to make the database server
> publicly accessible and leave it running constantly anyway, so you may as
> well just use it as a webserver instead.

Re: .NET new executable

"Wendy Elizabeth" wrote in
message news:22D224D2-3080-47EA-A43A-8EF64F34558B@microsoft.com...
> Norman Yuan:
> Since there is no network access avaialble, I want to send my app to each
> user via email, then user runs it on his computer, save data to a file,
> email
> back to you; then you update the data into database.
> The app that I send to the user to run, I do not want it to permanently
> install on their workstation. I am trying to figure out a way to write
> this
> app so that it will:
> 1. not permanently install on their workstations, and
> 2. not require any specific software to be installed on their workstation
> for the exe to run.

In that case you're better off making the app as a winforms application
which saves its output to an XML file which the user can then email back to
you (or make the app email it automatically), and you can write an import
application which will read in the XML files and import the data into your
database.

If you don't want the users to install the application, then they will need
the .NET framework installed (so probably best to target v2.0 rather than
3.5), and don't use any external libraries. You can then zip up and email
the compiled .exe to them and they should be able to run it directly.

Re: .NET new executable

Most email clients and/or servers will filter any executable files out of
emails for security purposes.

Again, this is not a good design for your application.


"Wendy Elizabeth" wrote in
message news:22D224D2-3080-47EA-A43A-8EF64F34558B@microsoft.com...
> Norman Yuan:
> Since there is no network access avaialble, I want to send my app to each
> user via email, then user runs it on his computer, save data to a file,
> email
> back to you; then you update the data into database.
> The app that I send to the user to run, I do not want it to permanently
> install on their workstation. I am trying to figure out a way to write
> this
> app so that it will:
> 1. not permanently install on their workstations, and
> 2. not require any specific software to be installed on their workstation
> for the exe to run.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> "Norman Yuan" wrote:
>
>> Then, how the users are getting your application? Are they on the same
>> private network (LAN,WAN...) or are they not networked at all (except the
>> Internet)?
>>
>> You need to decide the application type based on availabe
>> infrastructure -
>> networked privately, or the Internet only, or not networked at all...
>>
>> It seems web application would be the best, as Scott pointed out. You
>> could
>> also use Windows app with ClickOnce (you then still need a web server to
>> distribute the ClickOnce app, if the user is not on a LAN, and how about
>> database access: where the database is and how the windows app access the
>> data via the Internet?). In an extreme case where no network access
>> avaialble, you could send your app to your user via email, then user runs
>> it
>> on his computer, save data to a file, email back to you; then you update
>> the
>> data into database. I would not imagine this is what you want.
>>
>> You need to describe who the users are, where are they and what kind of
>> network is available, where the database is..... before a
>> meaningful/useful/concrete answer could be made.
>>
>> "Wendy Elizabeth" wrote in
>> message news:EE2A829F-DB7F-4767-80F2-C675FA069AEC@microsoft.com...
>> > Scott M.:
>> >
>> > I do not have access to a web server, that is why I want a Windows
>> > application.
>> > Do you think a second alternative would be, to save the data to an FTP
>> > site
>> > so that I would still have access to the data?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > "Scott M." wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you are not interested in having any remains of your application
>> >> left
>> >> on
>> >> the client after using the application then this needs to be an ASP
>> >> .NET
>> >> web
>> >> application.
>> >>
>> >> If you don't want to require any software on the client, then this
>> >> needs
>> >> to
>> >> be an ASP .NET web application.
>> >>
>> >> If all you are trying to do is send some data to your SQL server, then
>> >> this
>> >> needs to be an ASP .NET web application.
>> >>
>> >> It sounds like you simply need a web page that collects data and
>> >> populates a
>> >> SQL table.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Wendy Elizabeth" wrote in
>> >> message news:24920868-A8C7-41FE-880D-C440490A7CD5@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Questions about creating an .net 'executable' 2005 that will not
>> >> > remained
>> >> > installed once a user enters some data into the application. I also
>> >> > want
>> >> > this
>> >> > applcation to not require any previous software installed on a users
>> >> > workstation.
>> >> > I basically want to setup an application for new users when they
>> >> > are
>> >> > applying for insurance. This application would preferably be a run
>> >> > as
>> >> > a
>> >> > windows desktop application versus on the internet. Once the user
>> >> > enters
>> >> > the
>> >> > save or submit button, I want the application to send the data back
>> >> > to
>> >> > be
>> >> > processed on a Sql server 2000 or sql server 2005 database.
>> >> > I have Visual Studio.net 2005 currently and would like suggestions
>> >> > on
>> >> > how
>> >> > to do steup this type of an application using Visual Basic.net 2005.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks!
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

Re: .NET new executable

"Scott M." wrote in message
news:eFySzQ5VIHA.6140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Most email clients and/or servers will filter any executable files out of
> emails for security purposes.

Yes, they would have to zip the exe up. So there's another client
requirement (for people running windows < XP)

> Again, this is not a good design for your application.

All the good designs require a web server.
Wendy: Can you not buy a bit of hosting space for a web application? ASP.NET
hosting is quite cheap nowadays. The web app could still email you the
user's responses if that's how you want to enter the data into your
database.

Re: .NET new executable

Hello Leon,

> "Scott M." wrote in message
> news:eFySzQ5VIHA.6140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>> Most email clients and/or servers will filter any executable files
>> out of emails for security purposes.
>>
> Yes, they would have to zip the exe up. So there's another client
> requirement (for people running windows < XP)
>
>> Again, this is not a good design for your application.
>>
> All the good designs require a web server.
> Wendy: Can you not buy a bit of hosting space for a web application?
> ASP.NET
> hosting is quite cheap nowadays. The web app could still email you the
> user's responses if that's how you want to enter the data into your
> database.

About 7 years ago I had a project with similar requirements.

Back then broadband here in the uk didn't really exist and technical knowledge
in our target userbase was about as realistic.

The best solution anyone had for our app at the time was offline data transmission.

Can anyone say "Floppy Disks"

It was hideous.

--
Rory

Re: .NET new executable

"Leon Mayne" wrote in message
news:2FEB7A96-4029-4BC6-85B6-43FBF42919E3@microsoft.com...
> "Scott M." wrote in message
> news:eFySzQ5VIHA.6140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Most email clients and/or servers will filter any executable files out of
>> emails for security purposes.
>
> Yes, they would have to zip the exe up. So there's another client
> requirement (for people running windows < XP)

Even .zip files that contain executables are also filtered out.

> Again, this is not a good design for your application.
>
> All the good designs require a web server.

> Wendy: Can you not buy a bit of hosting space for a web application?
> ASP.NET hosting is quite cheap nowadays. The web app could still email you
> the user's responses if that's how you want to enter the data into your
> database.

I'd say forget about emailing application's and results around. You are
just asking for trouble.

This really calls for ASP .NET design here and hosting for this can range
from FREE to less than $10 p/month for lower need applications
(http://alentus.com).

Re: .NET new executable

to think of God
and Christ loving her made her cry? She answered, Yes, it does
sometimes.

She has often manifested a great concern for the good of others' souls:
and has been wont many times affectionately to counsel the other
children. Once, about the latter end of September, the last year, when
she and some others of the children were in a room by themselves,
husking Indian corn, the child, after a while, came out and sat by the
fire. Her mother took notice that she appeared with a more than ordinary
serious and pensive countenance; but at last she broke silence, and
said, I have been talking to Nabby and Eunice. Her mother asked her what
she had said to them. Why, said she, I told them they must pray, and
prepare to die; that they had but a little while to live in this world,
and they must be always ready. When Nabby came out, her mother asked
her, whether she had said that to them. Yes, said she, She said that,
and a great deal more. At other times, the child took opportunities to
talk to the other children about the great concern of their souls, so as
much to affect them. She was once exceeding importunate with her mother
to go with her sister Naomi to pray: her mother endeavored to put her
off; but she pulled her by the sleeve, and seemed as if she would by no
means be denied. At last her mother told her, that Amy must go and pray
by herself; but, says the child, she will not go; and persisted
earnestly to beg of her mother to go with her. She has discovered an
uncommon degree of a spirit of charity, parti

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and sometimes filled, with
new sweetnesses and delights; there seems to express an inward ardor and
burning of heart, like to which they never experienced before;
sometimes, perhaps, occasioned only by the mention of Christ's name, or
some one of the divine perfections. There are new appetites, and a new
kind of breathings and pantings of heart, and groanings that cannot be
uttered. There is a new kind of inward labor and struggle of soul
towards heaven and holiness.

Some who before were very rough in their temper and manners, seemed to
be remarkably softened and sweetened. And some have had their souls
exceedingly filled, and overwhelmed with light, love, and comfort, long
since the work of God has ceased to be so remarkably carried on in a
general way; and some have had much greater experiences of this nature
than they had before. There is still a great deal of religious
conversation continued in the town, amongst young and old; a religious
disposition appears to be still maintained amongst our people, by their
holding frequent private religious meetings; and all sorts are generally
worshipping God at such meetings on Sabbath-nights, and in the evening
after our public lecture. Many children in the town still keep up such
meetings among themselves. I know of no one young person in the town who
has returned to former ways of looseness and extravagance in any
respect; but we still remain a reformed people, and God has evidently
made us a new people.

I cannot say that there has been no instance of any one person who has
conduc

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man wretchedness, by which we recognise that, his nature being now like that
of animals, he has fallen from a better nature which once was his.

For who is unhappy at not being a king, except a deposed king? Was Paulus
Aemilius unhappy at being no longer consul? On the contrary, everybody
thought him happy in having been consul, because the office could only be
held for a time. But men thought Perseus so unhappy in being no longer king,
because the condition of kingship implied his being always king, that they
thought it strange that he endured life. Who is unhappy at only having one
mouth? And who is not unhappy at having only one eye? Probably no man ever
ventured to mourn at not having three eyes. But any one is inconsolable at
having none.

410. Perseus, King of Macedon.--Paulus Aemilius reproached Perseus for not
killing himself.

411. Notwithstanding the sight of all our miseries, which press upon us and
take us by the throat, we have an instinct which we cannot repress and which
lifts us up.

412. There is internal war in man between reason and the passions.

If he had only reason without passions...

If he had only passions without reason...

But having both, he cannot be without strife, being unable to be at peace
with the one without being at war with the other. Thus he is always divided
against and opposed to himself.

413. This internal war of reason against the passions has made a division of
those who would have peace into two sects. The first would renounce their
passions and become gods; the others would renounce reason and become brute
beasts. (Des Barreaux.) But neither can do so, and reason still remains, to
condemn the vileness and injustice of the passions and to trouble the repose

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but in reality this vile root of man, this figmentum
malum, is only covered, it is not taken away.

454. Injustice.--They have not found any other means of satisfying lust
without doing injury to others.

455. Self is hateful. You, Milton, conceal it; you do not for that reason
destroy it; you are, then, always hateful.

No; for in acting as we do to oblige everybody, we give no more occasion for
hatred of us. That is true, if we only hated in Self the vexation which
comes to us from it. But if I hate it because it is unjust and because it
makes itself the centre of everything, I shall always hate it.

In a word, the Self has two qualities: it is unjust in itself since it makes
itself the centre of everything; it is inconvenient to others since it would
enslave them; for each Self is the enemy, and would like to be the tyrant of
all others. You take away its inconvenience, but not its injustice, and so
you do not render it lovable to those who hate injustice; you render it
lovable only to the unjust, who do not any longer find in it an enemy. And
thus you remain unjust and can please only the unjust.

456. It is a perverted judgement that makes every one place himself above
the rest of the world, and prefer his own good, and the continuance of his
own good fortune and life, to that of the rest of the world!

457. Each one is all in all to himself; for he being dead, all is dead to
him. Hence it comes that each believes himself to be all in all to
everybody. We must not judge of nature by ourselves, but by it.

458. "All that is in the world is the lust of the flesh, or the lust of the
eyes, or the pride of life; libido sentiendi, libido sciendi, libido
dominandi."[73] Wretched is the cursed land which these three rivers of fire
enflame rather than water! Happy they who, on these rivers, are not
overwhelmed nor carried away, but are immovably fixed, n

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where are.

112. Inconstancy.--Things have different qualities, and the soul different
inclinations; for nothing is simple which is presented to the soul, and the
soul never presents itself simply to any object. Hence it comes that we weep
and laugh at the same thing.

113. Inconstancy and oddity.--To live only by work, and to rule over the
most powerful State in the world, are very opposite things. They are united
in the person of the great Sultan of the Turks.

114. Variety is as abundant as all tones of the voice, all ways of walking,
coughing, blowing the nose, sneezing. We distinguish vines by their fruit,
and call them the Condrien, the Desargues, and such and such a stock. Is
this all? Has a vine ever produced two bunches exactly the same, and has a
bunch two grapes alike, etc.?

I can never judge of the same thing exactly in the same way. I cannot judge
of my work, while doing it. I must do as the artists, stand at a distance,
but not too far. How far, then? Guess.

115. Variety.--Theology is a science, but at the same time how many
sciences? A man is a whole; but if we dissect him, will he be the head, the
heart, the

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and wretchedness.--Wretchedness being deduced
from greatness, and greatness from wretchedness, some have inferred man's
wretchedness all the more because they have taken his greatness as a proof
of it, and others have inferred his greatness with all the more force,
because they have inferred it from his very wretchedness. All that the one
party has been able to say in proof of his greatness has only served as an
argument of his wretchedness to the others, because the greater our fall,
the more wretched we are, and vice versa. The one party is brought back to
the other in an endless circle, it being certain that, in proportion as men
possess light, they discover both the greatness and the wretchedness of man.
In a word, man knows that he is wretched. He is therefore wretched, because
be is so; but he is really great because he knows it.

417. This twofold nature of man is so evident that some have thought that we
had two souls. A single subject seemed to them incapable of such sudden
variations from unmeasured presumption to a dreadful dejection of heart.

418. It is dangerous to make man see too clearly his equality with the
brutes without showing him his greatness. It is also dangerous to make his
see his greatness too clearly, apart from his vileness. It is still more
dangerous to leave him in ignorance of both. But it is very advantageous to
show him both. Man must not think that he is on a level either with the
brutes or with the angels, nor must he be ignorant of both sides of his
nature; but he must know both.

419. I will not allow man to depend upon himself, or upon another, to the
end that, being without a resting-place and without

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of
misery, that take of burning brimstone, is extended abroad under you.
There is the dreadful pit of the glowing flames of the wrath of God;
there is hell's wide gaping mouth open; and you have nothing to stand
upon, nor any thing to take hold of; there is nothing between you and
hell but the air; it is only the power and mere pleasure of God that
holds you up. You probably are not sensible of this; you find you are
kept out of hell, but do not see the hand of God in it; but look at
other things, as the good state of your bodily constitution, your care
of your own life, and the means you use for your own preservation. But
indeed these things are nothing; if God should withdraw his hand, they
would avail no more to keep you from falling, than the thin air to hold
up a person that is suspended in it.

Your wickedness makes you as it were heavy as lead, and to tend
downwards with great weight and pressure towards hell; and if God should
let you go, you would immediately sink and swiftly descend and plunge
into the bottomless gulf, and your healthy constitution, and your own
care and prudence, and best contrivance, and all your righteousness,
would have no more influence to uphold you and keep you out of hell,
than a spider's web would have to stop a falling rock. Were it not for
the sovereign pleasure of God, the earth would not bear you one moment;
for you are a burden to it; the creation groans with you; the creature
is made subject to the bondage of your corruption, not willingly; the
sun does not willingly shine upon you to give you light to serve sin and
Satan; the earth does not willingly yield her increase to satis

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source, to point out their
want of authority and justice. We must, it is said, get back to the natural
and fundamental laws of the State, which an unjust custom has abolished. It
is a game certain to result in the loss of all; nothing will be just on the
balance. Yet people readily lend their ear to such arguments. They shake off
the yoke as soon as they recognise it; and the great profit by their ruin
and by that of these curious investigators of accepted customs. But from a
contrary mistake men sometimes think they can justly do everything which is
not without an example. That is why the wisest of legislators said that it
was necessary to deceive men for their own good; and another, a good
politician, Cum veritatem qua liberetur ignoret, expedit quod fallatur.43 We
must not see the fact of usurpation; law was once introduced without reason,
and has become reasonable. We must make it regarded as authoritative,
eternal, and conceal its origin, if we do not wish that it should soon come
to an end.

295. Mine, thine.--"This dog is mine," said those poor children; "that is my
place in the sun." Here is the beginning and the i

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he is being pinched, or whether he is
being burned? Shall he doubt whether he doubts? Shall he doubt whether he
exists? We cannot go so far as that; and I lay it down as a fact that there
never has been a real complete sceptic. Nature sustains our feeble reason
and prevents it raving to this extent.

Shall he, then, say, on the contrary, that he certainly possesses truth--he
who, when pressed ever so little, can show no title to it and is forced to
let go his hold?

What a chimera, then, is man! What a novelty! What a monster, what a chaos,
what a contradiction, what a prodigy! Judge of all things, imbecile worm of
the earth; depositary of truth, a sink of uncertainty and error; the pride
and refuse of the universe!

Who will unravel this tangle? Nature confutes the sceptics, and reason
confutes the dogmatists. What, then, will you become, O men! who try to find
out by your natural reason what is your true condition? You cannot avoid one
of these sects, nor adhere to one of them.

Know then, proud man, what a paradox you are to yourself. Humble yourself,
weak reason; be silent, foolish nature; learn that man infinitely transcends
man, and learn from your Master your true condition, of which you are
ignorant. Hear God.

For in fact, if man had never been corrupt, he would enjoy in his innocence
both truth and happiness with assurance; and if man had always been corrupt,
he would have no idea of truth or bliss. But, wretched as we are, and more
so than if there were no greatness in our condition, we have an idea of
happiness and can not reach it. We perceive an image of truth and possess
only a lie. Incapable of absolute ignorance and of certain knowledge, we
have thus been mani

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OF THE WAGER

184. A letter to incite to the search after God.

And then to make people seek Him among the philosophers, sceptics, and
dogmatists, who disquiet him who inquires of them.

185. The conduct of God, who disposes all things kindly, is to put religion
into the mind by reason, and into the heart by grace. But to will to put it
into the mind and heart by force and threats is not to put religion there,
but terror; terorrem potius quam religionem.22

186. Nisi terrerentur et non docerentur, improba quasi dominatio videretur
(St. Augustine, Epistle 48 or 49),[23] Contra Mendacium ad Consentium.

187. Order.--Men despise religion; they hate it and fear it is true. To
remedy this, we must begin by showing that religion is not contrary to
reason; that it is venerable, to inspire respect for it; then we must make
it lovable, to make good men hope it is true; finally, we must prove it is
true.

Venerable, because it has perfect knowledge of man; lovable because it
promises the true

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is reproduced here in its entirety with the hopes that many
will profit greatly from the observations of the greatest evangelist
ever to grace the American continent.

The Narrative is divided into three sections:

I. A General Introductory Statement,

II. The Manner of Conversions Various, Yet Bearing a Great Analogy,

III. This Work Further Illustrated in Particular Instances.


------------------------------------------------------------ ------

Rev. and Honored Sir,

Having seen your letter to my honored Uncle Williams of Hatfield, of
July 20, wherein you inform him of the notice that has been taken of the
late wonderful work of God, in this and some other towns in this
country, by the Rev. Dr. Watts, and Dr. Guyse, of London, and the
congregation to which the last of these preached on a monthly day of
solemn prayer; also, of your desire to be more perfectly acquainted with
it, by some of us on the spot: and having been since informed by my
Uncle Williams that you desire me to undertake it, I would now do it, in
a just and faithful a manner as in me lies.

SECTION I. A General Introductory Statement

The people of the country, in general, I suppose, are as sober, orderly,
and good sort of people, as in any part of New England; and I believe
they have been preserved the freest by far of any part of the country,
from error, and variety of sects and opinions. Our being so far within
the land, at a distance from sea-ports, and in a corner of the country,
has doubtless been one reason why we have not been so much corrupted
with vice, as most other parts. But without question, the religion

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"Scott M.":

Do you know where I could have a secure web hosting for a reasonable price?

Thanks!

"Scott M." wrote:

>
> "Leon Mayne" wrote in message
> news:2FEB7A96-4029-4BC6-85B6-43FBF42919E3@microsoft.com...
> > "Scott M." wrote in message
> > news:eFySzQ5VIHA.6140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> Most email clients and/or servers will filter any executable files out of
> >> emails for security purposes.
> >
> > Yes, they would have to zip the exe up. So there's another client
> > requirement (for people running windows < XP)
>
> Even .zip files that contain executables are also filtered out.
>
> > Again, this is not a good design for your application.
> >
> > All the good designs require a web server.
>
> > Wendy: Can you not buy a bit of hosting space for a web application?
> > ASP.NET hosting is quite cheap nowadays. The web app could still email you
> > the user's responses if that's how you want to enter the data into your
> > database.
>
> I'd say forget about emailing application's and results around. You are
> just asking for trouble.
>
> This really calls for ASP .NET design here and hosting for this can range
> from FREE to less than $10 p/month for lower need applications
> (http://alentus.com).
>
>
>
>

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"Scott M." wrote in message
news:%23gOHmO6VIHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> I'd say forget about emailing application's and results around. You are
> just asking for trouble.

True, but straight ASP.NET hosting can be quite cheap. Add a SQL Server
database into the equasion and you can look at doubling your costs.

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"Wendy Elizabeth" wrote in
message news:EBD8748D-962E-4533-B834-1798327BE76E@microsoft.com...
> "Scott M.":
>
> Do you know where I could have a secure web hosting for a reasonable
> price?
>
> Thanks!
>
> "Scott M." wrote:
>
>>
>> "Leon Mayne" wrote in message
>> news:2FEB7A96-4029-4BC6-85B6-43FBF42919E3@microsoft.com...
>> > "Scott M." wrote in message
>> > news:eFySzQ5VIHA.6140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >> Most email clients and/or servers will filter any executable files out
>> >> of
>> >> emails for security purposes.
>> >
>> > Yes, they would have to zip the exe up. So there's another client
>> > requirement (for people running windows < XP)
>>
>> Even .zip files that contain executables are also filtered out.
>>
>> > Again, this is not a good design for your application.
>> >
>> > All the good designs require a web server.
>>
>> > Wendy: Can you not buy a bit of hosting space for a web application?
>> > ASP.NET hosting is quite cheap nowadays. The web app could still email
>> > you
>> > the user's responses if that's how you want to enter the data into your
>> > database.
>>
>> I'd say forget about emailing application's and results around. You are
>> just asking for trouble.
>>
>> This really calls for ASP .NET design here and hosting for this can range
>> from FREE to less than $10 p/month for lower need applications
>> (http://alentus.com).
>>
>>
>>
>>

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If you want to use MySQL, it can be less expensive. If you want to use an
Access database (only for small apps. that don't require rigorous
performance demands), it's free.


"Leon Mayne" wrote in message
news:F06092D9-CE62-46AA-86F2-A99309ADA34F@microsoft.com...
> "Scott M." wrote in message
> news:%23gOHmO6VIHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> I'd say forget about emailing application's and results around. You are
>> just asking for trouble.
>
> True, but straight ASP.NET hosting can be quite cheap. Add a SQL Server
> database into the equasion and you can look at doubling your costs.

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"Scott M." wrote in message
news:uDw9ojFWIHA.3556@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> If you want to use MySQL, it can be less expensive.

Yes, in fact sometimes free.

> If you want to use an Access database

Ew!

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>> If you want to use an Access database
>
> Ew!

For small scale apps. with few users, this solution deserves a second look.
I always felt the same way as you about this until Access 2003, which gave
this scenario a better chance at actually working.

For the type of app. that the OP is talking about, this may just be the best
solution.